in cramming tours, rocket strikes, kill dozens of people fling an imminent russian offensive and eastern ukraine, and bore the anchor, the search for bodies, and the aftermath of russia withdrawal. and from around the world outrage aimed at the kremlin, am abby qua barson? and this is the day ah, i know that britain and germany shed exactly the same sense of horror and revulsion at b retaliatory being unleashed. he is, russian forces hit the train station. now city of come talk to grandma thought, including the unconscious, forming of refugees, leave their home this morning with an ordinary train station, ordinary people, there was no visitors personnel that it is a walker. killing civilians is

a crime of war. the responsibility for which has to be borne by the russian president. ah, also on the day a new supreme court justice in the united states judge could tangy brown jackson. it sends to the highest score in the country, becoming the 1st black woman to reach that bench and vice president comalla harris presided over the confirmation vote. i was so honored as the vice president nighted states that as the president of the senate to sit in the senate chamber this afternoon and witness america elevate. an extraordinary juris who is a black woman to the highest court of the hour lane. welcome to the program. we begin with an attack on people trying to flee eastern

ukraine. ukraine says russian rockets have hit a crowded train station in cram taurus where thousands of people had gathered to bore trains and leave the area. survivors describe seeing bodies everywhere. dozens of people are reported dead dozens more injured. and ukraine says the kremlin has carried out another war, crime scenes of tonic and destruction. in easton, ukraine streets littered with smouldering debris and the bodies of dozens killed. the governor of don't ask said at least 5 children are among the dead after several rockets hid crematory station. on friday, edward speaking to the finish parliament, president vladimir lensky, condemned russia. if a striking clear civilian targets, they hit yup, with a little foolish,

i will start with what happened this morning when you run russian forces hit the train station in our city of cremmit tossed an ordinary train station with ordinary people. channels in general, though, no military personnel, and there were people who are waiting for a train to get to a safe territory when bush and fall says hit them with military missiles without a getaway or lose the criminal has denied they employed this type of projectile. but ukrainian military officials said they being used throughout the wall on a visit to london to meet british prime minister barak johnson. german chancellor, olaf sholtes never called the attack. atrocious pleasure. i'd have to welcome you the bid at the veils, but the images we have seen from boucher here from my real pole. and from many of the places i'm on the dramatic attack we have been told about to day to. it shocks us, and we must say here in clear terms. it is a cruel, cruel wall. loudon von,

ga zach them garza. as the sun calls on the creek around $4000.00 people will thought to be at the station. they came with their pets and personal possessions, hoping to escape the worst hazards of wall. ukrainian authorities are bracing for even more gruesome discoveries in the wake of russian troop withdrawal from the north. there is mounting evidence that civilians were killed, raped, and tortured with hundreds of victims in the town of boucher but ukrainian president vladimir lansky says the situation and board the younger 70 kilometers northwest. if keith is quote, much more horrific, our correspondent alexandra phenomena has this report. they have began clearing the rubble, but any hope of finding survivors here is long gone. for a dan car lay on the main root of the russian offensive. when keith,

this kale of the destruction is so massive that even emergency workers seem shock. this sham of blood sugar is one of it, but now we see with our eyes what the russians did to a peaceful tan. there are no military bases here. a shot to people dead bombed high rise blocks. so straightaway, i don't understand why really bad to pull will heave, give issue. when russian planes dropped their bombs on the town in early march, these apartment buildings were demolished. local authorities feared that up to $200.00 civilians were killed. their bodies still buried under the rubble with marie hole in one of the blocks we meet alexander. he is back to sell with some items from his ruined apartment. to work with you, when the russian bombardment started, he managed to flee together with his family. oh, horrible, it's better than it. but like, i'm still right in the same clothes i had on. when i left,

at least i want to take some things with me. his growth will this used to be his children's room his life. so i don't really know what to say. don't have words left there. bastards. gra putin, him, his whole government. if see, can you prove you to florida? oh, a few blocks away. a distribution center for humanitarian aid among the residents lining up nina and her family. they lived through a lot during the russian occupation of their home town, including hunger and constant fear. perfect dawn of y'all that they were pointing that guns at my daughter and the kids. i went down on my knees and screamed begging them not to rape. my daughter. you know what can happen? the little one is like they're from a boy. many he told us similar story later says she is still shaking when she thinks about the weeks under russian occupation, but she will know some clubs and we have to thank her soldiers. they're so brave.

they are so brave that they freed up already. okay. look what they did to my tan berardi anchor was once beautiful and green residence told us, now it lies in ruins. the town is free, but it has paid a high price for its freedom. not spring and michael came and she's a visiting fellow at the german marshall fund of the us and he's worked on the russia ukraine policy planning portfolio at the u. s. state department under the obama administration, as your parents. thank you for being with us on the day now. russia has repeatedly said it does not target civilians all the video with an images we've been seeing throughout this war. and especially in recent days show that is simply not true. yes, it's very difficult to understand how this could be

a part of the russian military strategy, but i think we have to look at it and that like these are soldiers who have no accountability. they seem to have been said enormous amounts of prejudice. piece of the population and it seems that one of the military ideas to instill fear and horror in the pagan population. and so the result is not one isolated a set of atrocities, but a pattern of atrocities across the occupied territories. talk about nato for a little bit. the alliance has been very careful and walking to find balance between members, states providing support, but not putting the alliance into the conflict. let's have a quick listen to a little bit of what in strong berg had to say recently. ukraine is fighting the dependency ward. so this distinction between offensive and defensive weapons doesn't actually have any real meaning in the defensive war. as crane is fighting, nato won't be very specific about the type of weapons that member countries provide

to ukraine. mister cambridge, but is that statement an indicator of how much more the alliance is potentially willing to do? absolutely, i mean, i think you've seen the trajectory in the last couple of weeks really toward more and more significant weapons being provided by the member state. and i think the events in butcher and more recently will only increase the speed of that provision of weapons. talk to us about the state of this war for russia in this moment. we're about, we're entering the, the 7th week we're in the 7th week. the kremlin says they'll focus now on other parts of the country. but does that actually mean brewton is dropping his goal of taking the capital? not necessarily. i mean, it could be regrouping. my sense is that we can is comparing for a very long war where invitation the active fighting is going to be more to the south and to the east in the short to medium term. but i think the ambition to

remain maybe beyond russia's reach, but i don't think they've given up on that quickly goal. whatever the difficulties for the russian army and taking a capital they had hoped to do that within 3 days of the war. well, they're difficult to stem from an absurd concept of operation that the government would have fallen within days and just falling apart somehow he would have leg. none of that turned out to be true. then they were faced with a city that has 3000000 population and is an area roughly the size of new york city . and that would take an absolutely massive army to, to occupy and to conquer. and they had nowhere near the, the troops or the equipment to do that. we know that the port city of mary, opal has faced relentless shelling for weeks. how crucial is this port city for the crumbling, why that's significant for them? well, 2 reasons. really. i think one is that if they would be able to get that, they would direct their army more to the north and attempted and circumvent of the

army on the eastern territory of ukraine. and then secondly, this is only speculation for maybe a city that russia wishes to take permanently in their eyes. they have taken crimea and parts of use and ukraine or the don boston. so it's, it's potentially part of the political settlement that they may be aiming for in your brain. while he's been in power for over 20 years, he's about to turn 70. what is his willingness to negotiate at this juncture of the war at this juncture in his life? i think very, very small at this, at this particular moment, the war has not gone well for russia. that's. ready really clear a lot of their political goals, i think are going to be very hard for them to reach if they ever do. you have to give up is it's hard to believe and i think you're gonna have a hard time for all of the reasons your, your program this evening indicates big compromises with russia. so unless we can get a lot in return, he's not going to stop. i think he's really not on the verge of getting much from

ukraine, so likely a long conflict. this is just beginning. he talks about a little bit about diplomacy. analysts after analyst says, this is the only way out of this war. this war will not be one on the battlefield, but diplomacy, as we know, requires time time that civilians under attack in ukraine do not have now that's correct. i mean the humanitarian side of the equation for president a lot less. can you payments very punishing each day? of the day that you pay for in blood. so i know wants to wrap up the conflict as quickly as you possibly can, but he doesn't want to do so on russian terms. and until the russians really exhausted themselves, and i think you're not close to doing that, there just isn't that middle ground. so the point of exhaustion will be reached at some point. but it could be months even years from, from today's date. we can't talk about this war without talking about the ukrainian resistance. how different is this military than the one that russia face when it

invaded the 1st time in 2014 it's profoundly different and different. in terms of unity, it's different in terms of leadership. i think the. ready political leadership is much more powerful than it was in 2014, but it's also been expertly trained by a member states including the united states. and that's really shown a great difference, not to mention the rapid provision of military last couple of weeks. so it's a new army, and it's certainly one that russia was not prepared to fight and is struggling to fight effectively. michael came as a visiting fellow at the german marshal fine, thank you very much for your time and your insights, mr. carriage. thank you for having me. ah. for the 1st time, a sudanese militia leader is on trial at the international criminal court for atrocities committed nearly 20 years ago in sedans. dar 4 region ali abdur rahman, also known as ali,

cause shed is suspected to be linked to the gender we'd armed group. he's been charged with $31.00 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity. d. w correspondent, tommy, our depot reports printer authority to react based on the charges laid out. it's a huge is it to have ali mohammed ali up that a man finally facing justice center, also known as alex shape. he's described as having a ruthless reputation. see that as one of the leaders of the gender weed militia, that terrorized sedans dar for region 4 years. it's a case where there is a multiplicity of evidence from different sources that the accused killed. he ordered, he encouraged a full range of crimes. the full range of crimes. i am that before you on us he participated and he ordered among the accusations, leveled against abdominal, is that he was not a leader disconnected from his foot soldiers actions. but that he was actively

involved in the atrocities. witness after witness saw him, heard him, recognized him witness after witness knew mister abdur rahman from before if of the defendant he denies the charges in. well, when i had them in a dorm, i reject all these charges. i am innocent of all these charges. i am not guilty of any charges o what's not in doubt however, is that gender weeds violent campaign from 2003 as they traveled on pickup trucks or on horses bit carried out mass killings of rapes and torture. as the militia hit back at rebels, complaining of oppression by the arab dominated government in the capital, hard tomb. but they targeted civilians. 2 millions suffered as a result. and to date violence is still flaring up in the region. and now at the hague, the 1st of many accused militia leaders is being made to answer for these crimes.

nearly 20 years since the violence began. many dull furinora see this trial as bet a lately and never 253 b ali's capillaries. the associate director in the international justice program and human rights watch and she has more on the significance of this trial. this child is an incredibly significant moment for our, for far sudan, for justice, generally around the world. this is the 1st time a leader is being held to account for the horrific crimes commander for that the world 1st watched in 2003, 2004 in horror at the brutality of these crimes all of these years. no one has faced justice for the crimes at any significant level of responsibility. co shapes . trial is the 1st time someone is being held to account. and the international criminal court is really playing a role as

a crucial court of last resort. sudanese authorities have not been willing or able to seek justice for these crimes. ah, history has been made in the united states. could tanya brown, jackson becomes the 1st black woman to be confirmed to the u. s. supreme court. the 51 year old federal appellate judge was nominated by president joe biden, who hailed her appointment as a historic day for america. but most republicans did not vote to confirm her the age of 53. the naser $47.00, and this nomination is confirmed half to 2 133 year wait. a black woman will soon sit on the u. s. supreme court. catan j brown. jackson watched herself enter the history books from the white house alongside president joe biden, who hailed a confirmation as a historic moment for the us. just 3 republican senators,

vote with the democrats to confirm brown. jackson is only the 3rd black person, sick woman to serve on the u. s. as high as court. the vote concluded bitterly part is an approval process. they were that so brown, jackson grilled by republican senators on hot button issues like race relations and abortion. as well as her raincoat as a judge. senate democrats were overjoyed by the result. it is just an amazing day. if i had to think of an adjective to describe all of us, it would be elated, elated because of this wonderful person going on the court. this has been a long, hard road as we try to get to greater equality, less bigotry in america. and there is often steps backward, but when you have a day like this, it inspires you to keep moving forward. frown, jack, who set your play steam bright when he retires at the end of the cold current term . but with the conservatives set to maintain their 63 majority, she may find it difficult to make much impact on the increasingly right wing court

. our next guest is michelle goodwin. she is a law professor and executive committee member of the a, c l. u. and she joins us now from irvine, california. miss goodwin, thank you for being with us. on the day in the history of the united states, judge jackson is now the 116 person to ascend to the supreme court and the 1st black woman. what went through your mind as vice president comalla harris confirmed that vote yesterday. this is history in the making and it's the day to celebrate. but it's also was a day to reflect their value, been 5 women to serve on the united states supreme court. and that deserves deep reflection of what that court's history has been in the history of blocking women quite literally from becoming even lawyers and legislation of hell by the supreme court. that would want women from becoming lawyers such that the path would be in

fact, such a hard road. and that in 233 years, we've had only 5 women to serve on this august body. and only 2 black people to serve on this body and she will be the 3rd in. so while it represents a moment to celebrate the grand accomplishment, the sterling meritorious record of judge jackson and have some very serious reflection and work to do in the united states. not only based on what we saw during the senate judiciary confirmation hearings, which were appalling, but also what this represents in terms of our history and the road to go to forge greater equality. you mentioned her stellar record her credentials, her experience to degrees from harvard, graduated with honors a former public defender. i don't even have time to go through this list in this

conversation. but as you mentioned during the senate, confirmation hearing sir is repeatedly question by some republicans in a way that black women are often question despite. they're very clear accomplishments. what struck you as you watch this process unfold. it was a spectacle. and again, if we pay attention to history is a spectacle that has its very origins in the very beginnings of us history in slavery and through jim crow. that when senators could no longer ping her on marian, let's be clear when president bindings said that he would nominate a black woman to united states supreme court. there were social media messages and interviews that it would be a lesser person or lesser than that. this would be a person who wouldn't be able to distinguish between a fashion catalog and a legal case, but all of that really excoriating girlish kinds of attacks. not even knowing who you would nominate. and then she turns out to have this record

a record that is show exceptional that it exceeds that of the people who currently sit on the court when they were 1st nominated. and that says a lot about how the expectations for black women must be that you must be actually more qualified and over qualified for some of these positions, and yet be regarded and treated with such indignity and disdain. and part of that was just really heartbreaking. i think only for black women to see, but i think that americans were really repulsed by that such that she can wear those hearings where she was crazy, old and poised, and didn't find an incredibly smart in how she answered questions that americans now read her as the most favored judicial candidate in more than a generation, and i think that it was reflection not only in terms of how she carried herself during the hearings, but it was also a reflection of just the very awful treatment that she experienced by some republican members of this and engineering committee, barrett,

and there were only 3 republicans who voted to confirm her. we speak often of a divided america, particularly in recent years. what does this vote tell us about that division in your country? is this bo tells us that the republican party is no longer the republican party of reagan, of bush or of any president before. this is a tea party type of republican party. and one can see that and just the ideology of where the republican party is going. if you think about an issue such as reproductive rights, which is an issue that's under attack now, rosie wade was a $72.00 opinion. 5 of those justices of the 7 were republican appointed justice blackman who wrote the opinion and wrote me wade was put in the court by richard nixon. i'm a card carrying member who is republican and so you see the ideologies and principles and values of the party actually changing. and we see now it's less of

a reagan party and it is more of a jesse helms party and jesse holmes, his record speaks for itself with justice jackson to be justice jackson on the bench. now it is still a conservative majority. there is a lot of concern in the united states now about roe vs wade, but you just brought up. how likely is it that the supreme court will overturn roe vs wade in the coming months? well, we don't know exactly, but many people are quite worried as they should be. so in taxes, there is a law that's been allowed to go into effect. it's a ban on abortions after 6 weeks of pregnancy, a time which most people won't know that they're pregnant. it makes no exceptions for cases of rape or incest. and again, this is the kind of legislation that 10 years ago, one would never have seen 15 years ago, never would have seen. but this is part and parcel of what we see coming out of states that are republican dominant. now on this court, it's

a super majority republican appointed court. that in the past would have meant nothing. but these are justices that of articulated personally and also from the bench that they would like to see, rosie wade overturned some of them. and so this is a possibility now, but it also possibility that it may just simply be a debt by a 1000, strikes michelle goodwin a law professor in the united states. thank you very much. thank you. that was the day and as ever the conversation continues online. you'll find us on twitter. i dw news, and i'll be quite often on behalf of our producers this week, paul hurst, and ryan allen, and our entire studio crew. thanks for being with us. bye. for now, with with

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