with me, yes. as in 45 minutes on t w. a . what people have to say to us a that's why we listen to their stories. reporter every weekend on d. w. fresh allegations with russian forces murder, ukrainian, civilians outside key f, have rapidly found their way to the un general assembly. 93 countries voted to suspend russia from the un human rights council. a humiliating move of moscow immediately condemned as illegitimate and politically motivated. but as russia really care what the world thinks about its invasion, my guess this week from moscow was perform a deputy for mr. andre. a few other of,

as russia finally acknowledges significant military losses that missed the potent realize he's beginning to lose his, of all. this is the position of food and you should understand that this person i know working for many years will not step back. you will continue feel you will reach the goal. we don't have a real quick to what is going on. and this will be, that may be a mistake in our relationship, a, as russia focus is, it's attacks on the south and east of ukraine, western government, so tightening sanctions on moscow. but will they change the kremlin mike? and how can i be me put in just ripped up the nuclear doctrine that kept the peace between the superpowers for 60 years. all that and more on complex, the news

and a few other a welcome to come pick zone. thank you. you're a former deputy foreign minister of russia, and you now advise putins administration on foreign policy issues. that's right, isn't it? yes, you will. last in ukraine in january. russia has said it's so called special military operation, was to liberate ukraine from nazis. but we now have, despite moscow's denials, credible allegations of war crimes carried out by russian forces including summary executions of civilians, torture rape. when is the criminal going to drop the pretense that it's there to protect people and started making that it same is just to control the country any way it can. it's a very serious question because originally the special midra duration was planned to be concentrated on the bus. there are 3. don't ask and logan's

republics bod. later on, it became a with more broad goal. we put in describe s dinner if you cation and then militarization, the grade, and in fact, the cost elimination total elimination of the possible red from ukraine to russia. and that's why this military operation, the day is gunning more and more in real war. though the war is not declared, but it's, it's hard for moscow, isn't it? to stick to this rational or the declared rationale when, when, since, when does liberation involve destroying residential areas, wholesale shelling, civilian infrastructure, shooting civilians, raping women, and stealing civilian property. doesn't have much to do with liberation,

does it in southern way? yes, of course, but war is war and such kind of things happens. the question is, i mean, is that the justification for the tremendous brutality that we've seen? no, it's read it or i've seen many war in my life, in different parts of the world. and morally, as the booster sometimes is the se choice isn't it though this was moscow war of choice? ah, it was moscow's de susan? yes, it was most of the season and moscow is trying to implement it in a full strength. this is the position of putting and you should understand that this person i know here for many years will not stab back. you will continue, feel you will reach the goal. and the goal is to change french speaking to change the regime in ukraine and to make it grain if not friendly, but

a kind of neutral on 3, which she will not consider as attentive for us. it's a country that's great, it's going to hate russia for the foreseeable future for what it's done, killing its people, and destroying cities and towns. this is one of the biggest problem when i was with ukraine many times or during last years. and of course, the mood is changing. if, for example, 10 years ago, there was more much more rational feelings, especially the eastern trade out additional training. and during my last visit, the crane, i've seen this with my own eyes that even the russian speaking population is now changing its opinion or, or this now is maybe turning point. are the problem,

is that in a current situation we are really r c, ukraine. now as an to russia, and this is probably the worst case scenario for us because it was such kind of mood of the nation. it would be very hard to achieve the goals which were put in front of this operation. and i see that this kind of goggle psychological tent, any criminal society, will have a very long term influence and very long term negative effects for russia. yes, absolutely, absolutely. and not only for roughly the sheep i, because unfortunately a lot of my friends in ukraine are now considered russian, russian citizen as enemies as leaders, et cetera, et cetera. so this is reading

a lot of personal contacts, ruining a lot of a lot of historical traditions, historical ties, and to overcome this. current crisis will be terribly mister potent has repeatedly complained that the west never listened to russia's what he called legitimate security concerns. but when he did listen and all the western leaders trooped off to moscow to talk to him, he simply lied direct to their faces and presented them with an ultimatum. they knew they couldn't accept. that wasn't serious diplomacy. was it? i should start from somewhere from 2007 or something like this from ms. munich speech. when put him became president at the beginning of the 1000. she was really thinking about having good dialogue with europe, with united states,

with nature. he was trying to make up some steps toward what the problem that are within this dialogue he became more and more disappointed. and he feel, he feels himself that i the, this, the attitude from the west, the russia is more or less becoming the same like it was those, the so do unit and for put in the current policy is the current from his point of view potential perfection russia from the same problems which solid unit phase. and he is considering military venture from the west for late. so as one of the key challenges for him personally as well. but isn't it true that he just wanted to get his hands on ukraine and control it from top to bottom by any means available to him? and he wasn't going to ever negotiate that. seriously, you doubt?

i mean, you've been a deputy foreign minister, you don't negotiate by just putting down all your demands into a draft treaty telling everyone to sign it and threatening them with force if they don't. that's not, that's not genuine diplomacy, is it genet? diploma said the duration is not working at all because as i said, this situation is very strange for many points of view. it's not the war. it's a special mid preparation. it's a situation when geneva convention on the war prison. so oil is not working and many of the problem is the following, that we lost a lot of time before all this thing started there were chances in the past to solve a number of issues with the grade of but it was not meant for the credit inside sometimes a with

a reasonable response. sometimes it was mistakes from our side and, and, and now our traditional diplomacy, by the way, which takes a lot of time, is not working. oh miss. any other of all that talk that we heard over the years about ukrainians and russians being one people. and then to prove those strong ties, you climb into your tanks and you go and kill them already. more than 1400 civilians have died. doesn't nobody in the russian government and you, you deal with the presidential administration? there's nobody there have any concept of the senseless misery that they're causing to ukraine. ah, i would like to say that are psychologically or we are still the same nation, the same slavic, our nation rationally and the credit and grins are very close still, even in this allies in the day by bay. yes, yes, it's a,

it's a problem of military operation, and it's a problem of, ah, ah vision. because a for our big part of our leadership is not for all our it's considered model as war against ukraine and ukrainian there considered that it's a war against masses. that was a lead by living there, living in fantasy land, bernard bay, maybe some. yes. people. yes. because i think that sometimes there is not enough understanding what is going inside gray. and i am, i see that there was some miscalculations during last year's concerning ukraine. mister in in the un general assembly 93 countries voted to suspend russia from the human rights council, citing reports of gross and systematic violations and abuses of human rights. not

a surprise was it after all, the latest allegations of civilian executions in boucher and other places previously occupied by russian units. the world isn't buying. the kremlin denials does put in care one way or the other trust for russia was ready for such dian loading. and it wasn't not a shock surprise for moscow. but about this body. we don't care too much for us. of course. the most important thing is security council and our ability to continue to refresh them. that was there to bring our use there. but the reason of growing guys, relational russia is existing, i have to confirm it. it's never been a problem for the russian security forces to kill in large numbers. have it. we saw

this in the to was in chechnya, tens of thousands killed the capital grenade, devastated by massive russia bombing and shelling with very little regard for civilians. rushes army doesn't do small surgical strikes, does it? oh, i see in the kitchen i experience is influencing a on the special meal preparation ukraine, because feel today, rush rami sprang void, direct, heavy attacks. miss our tax on big city is like kind of go here, but cetera. we are you, paul? devastated completely for yes. i know i was my friends in the city is destroyed nearly 90 percent today. this is clear, this is the really we just had a bomb over the railway station in crime. tosca nice,

that's killed at least 50 people yet. but this guy does not regard civilian life at all is not concerning the slot. last case. it's messiah the bomb. it's a special investigation on this case because this chromosome, by the way, is $1.00 0 and was one of the most russian cities in ukraine. previously. mr. piano of political killings had been on the rise as well under this government . haven't they, in russia itself, in other countries? we've seen one after another president putin's political opponents, they've been attacked, murdered, mysteriously, fallen off their balconies or had their clothes smeared with chemical agents. this government has no qualms about killing for purely political reasons, does it? oh, it's hard to say for the police to go kelly. so in some cases, of course the opposition door against food is not welcome in russia.

and it's obvious why am understatement, isn't it? it's it's, it's crushed. today our position to put in is smashed, crashed. it's not just going to more it a long, long established kremlin tradition and conviction, but ruling by fear and violence is much more effective than trying to be liked it. so it's additional for russia, if it will take you in the 4th period or in peril. russia period, it was more of the same method of in political life, especially before the rational relation you should also understand that russian culture is totally different than many cases from european culture. and sometimes that is

the feeling that feast is stronger than what you talk almost academically about what's going on, but aren't, aren't you ashamed of personally of what your forces are doing in ukraine? first of all, even me. i don't even me and many others. we don't have a real to what is going on. and this is maybe maybe a mistake in our information campaign. because our, from my point of view and i expressed publicly, we need to seriously enlarge the volume of the information of our forces. there are because you can see the natures you can see the devastation. yes sir. i can see the bodies aren't. aren't you ashamed of that? it's a tragedy. it's real bread that the what and what has happened to the us with the

50 people skill in one more read for your brain as well, for russia. and i, i think that russia needs to be much more open information space or show what was real and what was fake. it's not gonna happen is it, it's not going to happen. there's a huge clamp down on media. virtually all independent media has been shut down, hasn't it? not all, but largely, virtually yes are. many of them are now labeled as a foreign agents and are not able to present their opinion to the public. or though, of course, are still there are submit this for some individuals raise their was against the mil, reparation. but generally, generally at this stage in the mood in the nation is in favor of it to us.

but it's already clear that in a number of key aspects, russia's military operation has failed, at least in terms of its initial aims. you said yourself in february putins instruction, initial instruction was to have a full victory over your grade by march. the 2nd here we are more than a month on russian forces that seem to have given up on key f and the been routed from a number of towns and locations. and finally, we had an admission that they have suffered significant losses. who is going to be paying for those failures of the rush? it's still very hard to say it's a feel not because the battle is still going gone. and program in the army has performed poorly, hasn't it? for the army is not the for the i'm just from burleson a normal way, like they are ordered. they're ordered a poor plan will supply line,

but it didn't supply tanks that run out of fuel. that kind of the problem is the other that the territory on rush mom is now is operating is much larger than it was probably was originally labs what they didn't have a map. they didn't know how la, no, no, it's no, it's not a map. it's something that if you take the degree of 14, it was a degree special, military operation for secure dog boss and no bounce republic. there was no war in this degree about t f, about how to cough about to on there. so something like this. but the problem is that internal composition east and the fact that the main goal as it was cold or a demilitarization and identification of your grade is not possible only of the limited

territory of us and the low balance aliamanu pal, et cetera. if russia wants to realize this goal, it needs to can probably hold it. and this, if you're gonna, if it's, it's not kind of course, because this, this task need to much more forces. them are now and you play. but it, but it's, it's already clear that this war is a disaster for your country because it's brought russia all the things it doesn't want. russia wanted recognition and respect seats and all the global top tables. now it's been shunned, it wanted less nato on its borders. it's going to get much, much more. it's got an ego huge economic hit and it's clamped down, is forcing the brightest young people in the country to leave in that tens of thousands. can you think of one single benefit this war has brought russia? at this stage, i don't see any benefits myself. moral. even more on one of the dea shows in

moscow, i named 2 figures in 1980. the 1st real war here in i've got his them. we lost in one year, 1584 soldiers and officers more or less the same figure will lock in one bar in ukraine. so compare this, and you will understand that this is a problem for russia and even the best go for press. secretary for who is recognizing this last this last us will have, of course, very serious implants later on, on domestic situation. russia. because what is the most dangerous scenario? russia is that such and of ration will last long. but does

putin realize that with all these apparently unforeseen reactions and results from this war, that he's actually losing it? he's not going to win this. the west. he said you're there determined that he should not win in ukraine. that doesn't have a fit in the kremlin, and it was by the way, just best the day once again, that affected by fiscal food ins press secretary that the victory is near. this feeling is domini. still explained, can you are, there is a feeling that there are more or less in the coming days or may be coming weeks. the directory will be reached and this will then

you grant you the ship on their knees and they will agree on any document or design with rush. they really believe that still yes, there is a belief. and the western sanctions and the western support that's been given to ukraine hasn't changed their mind about any of this. prentice picking up left and sanctions are, in fact long term sanctions and more influencing today. very seriously though, yesterday it was published, the figure that 60 percent of russian citizens feel themselves as the inference of the sanctions. but for everyday lives, the sanctions are not at all and not so cheers. oh, but the question is, how long it will or the whole story they go? and the other thing is that i must go and

russia still don't feel themselves in international resolution. and this gives certain a lot of strength to put in a position of china. for example. you think they're just kidding themselves. you think they just don't want to see reality. they're living in some sort of parallel universe here. yes. sometimes we can say that we're living in the ivory tower. ah, and i think that there is, of course, now more wish to see the victory than our realization of the fact that the victory still thought do you accept that? thanks to russia, the world is going to be a much, much more dangerous place in years to come by waving his nuclear weapons at the west. putin has challenged the doctrine that has held for 60 years that no nuclear

on states would fight to war with each other because neither side could win. but put in now seems to be saying, well, i know you to the west. i know you've got nuclear weapons, but i might use mine anyway. that's, that's a huge upset for this doctrine of mutually assured destruction isn't it? i'm sure that after this, your grand war crisis will be over. the world will be different. and all the previous approaches, all the previous conceptual. so i'm here till the balance will not work anymore. and i can agree with you that it's a residential development issue because i know the existence of nuclear arsenal will be not anymore both psychological administered barrier and very few other thanks very much for being on conflicts on. thank you. thank you

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