is of course, like germany hungry and others who insist that this should be a phased out approach as opposed to an immediate embargo. so you're seeing it as well. you'd, you talked about hungry. the says one member state that has, for example, broken rank a, with the rest of the european union, i, indicating its willingness to pay for its russian energy imports. and rubles, that is something that moscow had demanded. the european union took it united decision to oppose that, but the hungarians, for their part have said they found a way to do so in a way that doesn't necessarily go against the sanctions. today. you have the austrian chancellor visiting moscow. it's not a trip that was mandated at an eagle level. i was just speaking to the foreign minister of ledford who told me that he disagreed with such an approach. so you're starting to see the different member states pursuing different courses in terms of how to deal with russia, but the disunity is really at a sanctions level. the reason are, for example,

there isn't an oil embargo. the reason that's not been agreed upon is because there's huge disagreement to that with other member states. essentially saying they're not willing to do that on that front. we understand that there might be a european council meeting. this is the head of the european union member states, heads of government meeting ahead of scheduled. this is because, for example, it's rumored that the hungarian president who has recently been reelected and has said that he's not willing to talk about further energy sanctions, particularly the oil. unless that happens at a council level. the trouble with calling a council meeting sooner rather than scheduled is that if they fail to agree on something that is, unity is displayed on a big stage. that something the e for it's part is also try to avoid. so there is a lot of disunity and use you see it, you hear it as he speaks of the different member states according for different approaches in terms of dealing with rushes. but specifically when it comes to the or the sanctions. speaking about their sanctions, we do know that the

e u is now putting together it's 6 package. there is consensus. yeah. especially after the pictures and, and what has emerged from what we know about what happened to butcher it at the places right now that this package has to be strong. right now, the indications are that the sanctions impacting the poor in russia more than they are affecting the regime. so the sanctions would have to go farther at that straw, getting more rushing banks i into, into those sanctions antics course. announcing an oil embargo melinda christine is talking about another round of sanctions. the 6th round, there's been a lot of talk about whether rolling sanctions are the best strategy in going after the kremlin. as she said, there's been a little bit of criticism. this isn't going after the heart of vladimir putin in her circle. what do you make of the strategy that's been employed by the west right now that they should have rolling sanctions? we've heard in recent weeks from the foreign secretary in the u. kayla's trust

repeatedly say we have to keep something in the locker, but we see these images in boucher. we see these images and board younger. we see the devastation being deployed by russian forces in variable, most of which we haven't seen because we don't have access. why is rolling sanctions seen as the best strategy by the west right now? it will, you know, fundamentally there's always a discussion when sanctions are imposed about their purpose. are we expecting sanctions to work immediately and lead protein to pull his forces back or even lead to some form of internal change in russia? know all experts who watch sanctions in play say that they do not ever work right away. they always take time. there are cases where sanctions certainly have made a difference on iran, for example, getting iran to the table to talk about its nuclear program. but it took a long, long time for that to happen. which is one reason why the e u foreign policy,

a spokesman who called this meeting a foreign ministers today, joseph burrell, said to day to the minister's sanctions are not going to stop this war. this war is going to be won or lost on the battlefield, which is why the question of weapons deliveries is so central and absolutely was central also today in the discussions. so that said, do we need this a secret weapon that's always in the drawer when it comes to sanctions? in case we're not seeing polluted and change his behavior. theoretically, it's important to do 2 things. when you have sanctions, one is to signal clearly when you impose them, why you're doing so and what conditions would have to make that for them to be lifted. and secondly, very useful as well to be able to say. and if this doesn't make a difference to you, we have more coming in that sense. yes, the sanctions make make a rolling sanctions make sense. but i think overall,

when i look at sanctions for me, one of the clearest reasons to impose them is not simply that we expect a change of behavior whether short or long term. but that we are declaring there are certain norms that must and cannot be violated. and if they are violated, we must impose a punishment even if we don't immediately see behavioral change as a result. and therefore, some of this discussion about whether sanctions are effective is too short term and perhaps also to functional to instrumental when sanctions are also essentially a normative tool. did only chief political correspondent, melinda crane, and he w corresponding christine, while reporting from luxembourg. thank you both very much. earlier did all these boundary guards report spoke to you? justice commissioner d d, as a nurse who has announced the 1st e team to investigate alleged war crimes and ukraine. d. w asked him what he's

hoping will come out of the investigation. and if russian president vladimir putin himself could be put on trial. mr. commissioner, the prosecutor general of ukraine has announced her that she will investigate up to $500.00 russian officials, including vladimir putin, the president, for alleged war crimes and ukraine. how can you help her with that and of let her try to help her with some expert. it is already a 1st team from france on the ground, fine sick experts and we were asked to all the members said to do the same. was expert with security misers were sick, safe communication. so we have a lot of things to do to support concretely, of course, also financially. but we are not only working reserve, we are working or so as the i c, c and the prosecutor of j. c. c, and different prosecutors and member states because some member said of a saw staff investigation saw the best ways to provide expertise to provide a saw some equipment. you mentioned the i c. c,

the international criminal court in the hague. so you joined with them. olds are together it's. it's as common an investigation to, you know? yes i had again this morning. your phone call was the prosecutor came can from the i c. and was the prosecutor jeanette of the train and are retired to work was a joint investigation team. so it's true urologist that to try to corden it the actions and father mom and we have a jaunty investigation team with poland, lithuania, and ukraine, and the i c. c. and we asked to the member states organizing their own investigations to join. so to take part in the john investigation team ref had the expertise of the emerge 17. at that time it was a saw as a john investigation team with different member states before to go to the jurisdiction. and do you think this investigation should end up in a trial in the international criminal court, or do you need a special tribunal of to, to pursue that? we try to use 1st the existing bodies that we have, the existing institutions. i c,

c. national actually shall system in many countries. maybe a saw european court of human rights like india, mash 70. so we try to use all the existing bodies and it will be enough to find a year's war, crimes or crimes against humanity. genocide is a competence of the a, c, c, but a saw to find against, to fight against different aggressions, to different europe. and people like nationals from different members says and our national prosecutions. of course, the goal is to prosecute and then to go to a trial and do thing in the end. that may be mister putin who served the president will end up in a courtroom. all is possible, but it's in the end of an in debit and justice system. i'm a commissioner for justice. so i try to take care about the independence of the i, c. c, and all the national system, but then it to go as far as possible with all the different, the fives and the 1st element is to collect evidences and retry to collect evidence

on the ground in ukraine. but a saw in the member states, wrist estimate is coming from refugees and to organize a backup of all those evidence was the i, c, c. and yours has to be sure that we are security evidence is and we provide the evidence as to the i, c, c, a crane, but also to the member states that as you just as commissioner detail and our speaking there did always a band, i think out here some of the other stories that were falling for you, this, our germans, germany is family minister anna beagle has stepped down from her post citing growing political pressure. she faced criticism for going on vacation days after deadly floods hit her state of rhineland path laminate last summer. at the time she was the regions environment minister, indonesian police have fired tear gas and students in jakarta, after protest erupted against the rumor postponement of the general election. the move would allow president, yoko v, dodo to stay in power beyond the to term limit. critics call that threat to

democracy. more than 26000 cases of coven 19 have been reported in china's largest city. shanghai officials have reassured worried residents that they will deliver basic supplies as the country sticks to its 0 covet approach. the southern city of juan ju, has also introduced restrictions and began building makeshift hospitals around 20 migrants have been rescued off the spanish island of grand canaria. the area has become the main destination in spain for african migrants trying to reach europe. a local n g o says more than 4400 people died at sea trying to reach spain last year. and france emanuel macross has emerged as the clear front runner after sunday's 1st round of voting in the country's presidential election results published by the interior ministry. give me crohn just under 28 percent of the vote is far right.

challenger marine le pen received over 23 percent. both contenders now go through to the 2nd round, which will take place on april 24th. 10 other candidates from across the political spectrum have been eliminated. though. micron did come out on top in the 1st round, le pen, dramatically narrow the president's lead in opinion polls. he may have won the 1st round, but for a manual mac crone, this was no time for a victory lab. don't, don't be seen. nothing is decided if we barely a month ago. micron looks like a shoe in instead the incumbent president ended up in the fight for his political life. with critics accusing him of focusing on global crises rather than the ones at home at through no competitor to all those who chose to abstain or to vote on the extreme server. because i want to convince you in the coming day

70, that our project is a much stronger response sorted out at the far right lot, and there scare munger. it would defeat. you don't, you can count on comma, growing anger, arising, inflation created an opening for the populace marine le pen as she softened her image as a far right nationalist and recast herself as a champion for struggling households. now that have been a dual during this 1st round, the french people have clearly wanted to arbitrate a fundamental choice between 2 opposite visions of the future. either the division, the injustice and the disorder, imposed by men or my call for the benefit of a few or the gathering of the french people around social justice and protection. guaranteed by fraternal framework around the age old idea of nation and people millionaire. the unless you're it above with macaroni headed for a potentially bruising run off. he's hoping to stave off the threat from the right

with the help of more mainstream parties. but his biggest boost could come from an unlikely backer. far left leader john, look melanie shawn who came in 3rd with over a 5th of the vote. coming down on that, we will never lose our trust in democracy. so you must not give a boat to mrs le pen name. we must not give one boat to mrs. le pad, wrap them in an illusion that rain a dividend yield wars, hardly the other girls speaking on softening and we can see the dividend aspect of the conflict this morning. we have had a meeting with her general parisha cuter, on the international criminal court. so the 1st thing, russia, how to make russia accountable for the gross gross regulations of

international law. we will provide assistance in documenting their war crimes this morning with the prosecutors international court and also by video conference with the prosecutor of ukraine. we discussed about the situation where we support both procedures financially and with our team in the ground. they repay a unit advisory commission who was in ukraine before the war now will be deployed in order to cooperate with any and general pressure pewter. to ensure investigation and collection of evidence in the ground and sanctions. we continue discussing about how to implement the sanctions to avoid any kind of loopholes. we measure the impact that the sanctions as having under russian economy

. and we'll continue discussing in order to see what else can be done. nothing of the table including sanctions, denial, and gas that do they? no decision was taken just a general discussion, analyzing the figures. it's important to make the difference between oil and gas. last, e at 2021. the bill for arlene pause was 4 times bigger than the bill for gas. they're talking about 80000 meters in one side and 20 and the other site thought very much important to start with the oil, which is a heavy bill and easier to replace. we analyze that this is a nasty method shop for you to be a member to state because it affects in a very much different weight both from the point of view of a people asking for

a ceiling refugee.