and will continue discussing in order to see what else can be done. nothing is on the table, including sanctions to norland gas, but do they? no decision was taken just a general discussion and elijah, the figures. important made a difference between the oil and gas. last e at 2021. the bill for arlene pause was 4 times bigger than the bill. for gas. we're talking about 80000 meters in one side and 20 and the other side thought very much important. to start with the oil, which is a, a heavy bill and easier to replace. we analyze that. this is a nessie method shop to you to be a member of state. because it affects you know, very much different weight both from the point of view of a people asking for a seal m refugees. and from the point of energy,

certainly on the eastern part of europe, the pressure of their refugees is much bigger than done day westport. of utah and their annual g shoes are much more important and central europe than in the west part of europe. this is a bureau i submitted chuck and it has to be manage combining unity and solidarity a g j 4. so member, i said that they are not using russia and gas to say that they are ready to not use russian gas, but for others which are heavily dependent. it's not so easy. everybody has taken conscience of the big risk of these a strong dependency on energy. and we have to fight in order to decrease this dependency as quick as possible, developing renewables and looking for other suppliers, but mainly building on

a strategic autonomy. european autonomy on energy, and this has a name renewal, idaho is going to take her di, but the defied age glide may change and now why geopolitical constraints are going hand in hand. we also discuss about the they said that glory as much as a must, which is that the coming to russian offensive in the east direction, aggression against ukraine, hash to words, to be quality fight. first failure is a big fatal to russian army. they tried to conquer keith and they have been rejected. now they have abandoned inc, if they see that some possible them to take the capitol and they are re, i grouping their drugs on the east and ukrainians are very much convinced that they

are going to launch a big offensive into don't bas near by the allergies to basis, the 2nd word is harder. horror. why did russian army left behind? is a civilian scaled. she does as dry discriminated, discriminated bombay as their one that we see on the. they weigh station. we have very much war it by a human consequences of these wal mart you, paul, is a marty city. but what is going to happen in the east and foreign front makes us much more ready to continue supporting your grain to face these battle. as you know, we have mobilized more funding for and it will be emp is facility and we are ready to continue supporting your grain. on the military side,

we'll discuss all show about the russia propaganda, and as you formation or underworld. there is another battle with a battle of narrative. that is a battle about how people perceive these war. and these are war will mark their geopolitical orientation of their will for the next a gauge to call is a big driving force for digital political landscape. so we have to continue reaching out with the world international community because russian diplomacy is actively shifting blames about sanctions. pledge we prepare for a vaccine diplomacy 1st. now we vote and d, i kind of foot diplomacy because russians are making the sanctions responsible for the, for the scarcity and ration precious when it is not sanctions. irosia,

showing bombs and ukraine's feels and rush and war shapes blockading pens of ships full of wheat that can not go out of the ukrainian harbors, the bomb being and destroy stocks of wheat and preventing these wheat to be exported. there is a big number of ships that cannot leave the ukrainian porch, they at causing the scarcity dad bomb being ukrainian cities and provoking hunger in the world. they are provoking hunger in your wall by blocking the sports wheat and by destroying the storage of wheat in your brain. so we stop blaming the sanctions. his de russia military was causing for the scar

city. and africa is especially a sort of major concern because they are particularly exposed to the upcoming foot crutches. we talk about how can we face different a challenge we agreed that they still had your campus. there is a tool box will be develop about many pollution information to counter dish or russia propaganda. we had an exchange visit for a minute reyland in norway. we discussed vide rush and aggression, and i was sort of dirty and working together in the framework of nato. and as you know, norway play an important role in contributing to our energy security. advancing analogy, decision angel buying more gas that can substitute russian gas.

we discuss about the global gateway and their strategy that the commission adopted last december digit, not a trademark dishes or just a basic approach to connectivity. is that your political tool and where their current events, it becomes more important that way to reach out to the whole world. providing i yadi dish, you infrastructure, he mendo gee, you know that to make everybody aware how do you be in union? is that your political play will look good to the way that confusion to, well, it's about miley, we have been asking their matty of thought a dish to lead demeanors my to go to the places where it has be mass killing in order to conduct research and to gather

evidence of what has happened in there, you've been listening to the you foreign policy chief stereos of beryl and i'm joining studio by chief political correspondent, melinda crane. christine wall r d w correspondent is also standing by in luxembourg, where you foreign ministers are meeting christina, yes, a barrel. there has been talking about how to make ensure that russia stays accountable, that the will provide assistance, particularly with war crimes investigations. we know that the i c c prosecutor was in luxembourg meeting with you officials today. what more can you tell us? that's right. i see. see his chief prosecutor come here. candid address. are you foreign ministers at a day before he did that? he had a private meeting with 3 member states, germany and sweden, among them where they pledged some 2 and a half 1000000 euros. add to the i c. c, to assist in its investigation of war crimes that have been committed in ukraine.

justice for the european people is a big theme among e u. member states. and so they are going to be with the help of the european union's emission in ukraine are going to be supporting the i c c's investigation or helping in terms of building it's case evidence gathering. as we heard from the e. u foreign policy chief at joseph burrell to assist at the international criminal court. i prob, at the war crimes that have allegedly been committed by the russians in a, in ukraine. i'll point out that joseph morale, it has just visited ukraine. he accompanied at the e. u. a chief was left on the line when he before going into the meeting today, the meeting that he had a foreign ministers. he talked about some of the things that he had seen of was he will know they visited butcher as well are. they also visited a number of sites are where they saw the bodies of people that had been killed in this war. that certainly left a big impression on him. and hence this conviction as he stares

a foreign ministers to assist i. c. c, i. in terms of pursuing those war crimes are pro, and he also talked about the cost of this war. and, but i do want to point figures out that bureau has spoken of just last week. he talked about the fact that since russia's invasion of ukraine, the european union has paid some 35000000000 years at to russia. this is energy import money. this is money that has gone into the coffers of moscow. many call that europe effectively paying the loss of russia's wall in ukraine. compare the steady 5000000000 years to just 1000000000 years that has gone on to aid for ukraine. so you can see that those numbers are uncomfortable figures for the european units, not numbers that you hear them quoting very often, but these are the, the real numbers are off. this was that in continuing to buy energy from russia at this crucial money is going into funding that now we've been talking

a lot about gas, of course gas is where the big dependency is. but those oil imports that could potentially be targeted in this next round. of sanctions, they account for the bigger share of revenue as compared to gas. and so that is expected to be a big blow. whether or not the european union can muster up, the unity and the political will at to be able to stomach that remains to be seen. and melinda, yes, burrell, they're saying nothing off the table. nothing is off the table when it comes to sanctions. exactly, and in fact he picked up on what we just heard there from christine, pointing out that oil and gas embargo on oil and gas supplies from russia is still something they're talking about. and pointed out that oil is both easier to do and would have a bigger impact because in fact, the, you sense far more money for russian oil than it does for russian gas. and he was very, very clear in underlining the fact that individual member states say, well,

i'm ready to do gas, but that states are affected very differently by this. as we know, germany, italy very, very dependent on russian gas. and therefore, this has to be something that the you does as a whole together clear message, a clear message, and we'll see what you will do next. thank you for your time. it's d, w t political correspond melinda crane and was received with awe. with a joy ride from fascinating worlds

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hm. ah ah, ah, this is dw news live from berlin. tens of thousands have been killed in the ukrainian city of mario ball. that's the estimate from ukrainian president vladimir zaleski. after more than a month of relentless shelling by russian forces on the port city. also coming up, foreign ministers are meeting in luxembourg to discuss further sanctions on russia . the remains divided on whether to impose the measures that would hurt moscow the most a boycott of its oil and gas.