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it's a day you a secretary of state, anthony blink, and, and defense secretary lloyd austin, bring keep bringing jo. biden's good wishes and uncle sam's check book, but is america spending all these millions of dollars in ukraine now? because it's underestimated vladimir putin for years. i'm fil gail in berlin and this is the day ah, the 1st step in the morning is believing that you can win. the reason we're back. ready is because of you throwing on the priorities are weapons and support from the united states and our partners. we understand that for some, what has been done is already a revolution. but this is not enough, as long as the war continues, and we're seeing that when it comes to russia's warnings, russia is failing. you trying to succeed. i don't think we feel, frankly,
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we conduct oh, military operations of the war is a military operation has its own strategy. it's who is, has its own eaves. it was never meant as a bleed screen. also on the de and manuel macro wins re election. he gets another 5 years as french president, but he fare any better with his bowl division for france and for europe. just 0, see, i know that many of our compatriots have voted for me today. not to support the ideas that i stand for this. this is a but to block those of the extreme right. i said that if someone ah, welcome to the day on sunday, you're a secretary of state and to be blanket of defense. secretary lloyd austin, travels from poland to cross ukraine to the capital key for face to face talks with the countries present flooded means of landscape. that's the highest level the u. s . visit since the start of the russian invasion. ukraine has been pressing western
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allies for heavier weapons to fight rushes campaign in the east. i'm military aid has started to flow. the u. s. diplomats pledged another $700000000.00 in military aid and said, washington would reopen its embassy in the ukrainian capital. a warm welcome back to keep after a secretive train journey across the polish ukraine border to the capitol. the high level delegation sent by u. s. president joe biden, to offer face to face messages of support and admiration. the reason we're back is because of you because of the extraordinary courage, leadership and success that you've had in pushing back his horrific russian aggression both blinking and defense secretary lloyd austin, offered zalinski condolences for the loss of life in ukraine and further economic and military support. as ever,
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zalinski was grateful then to the point about his needs for unit that their sam, brawley, of the priorities are weapons and support. he is bought from the united states and our partners needed from european leaders or little in terms of our army. strangling should be through and support in certain areas. zalinski was quick to point out, the u. s. has already given billions and assistance since russia's invasion and repeated his military must have half level arguments. if it is to beat back the invader. in places like the don best region where russia has tried to reinvigorate its efforts to achieve changing goals in ukraine. it's focus no longer keep the capital. but the east and southern coast of ukraine safely back across the polish border. after the meeting. austin said ukraine can be victorious over russia in terms of their ability to win. and the 1st
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step in winning is believing that you can win. and so they believe that we can work . we believe that we can work, they can win if they have the right equipment, the right support. we're doing everything. we can continue to do everything. we can ensure that austin and blinking together announced a further $700000000.00 military support from ukraine, cause before austin moved on to ramstein, germany for a meeting with nato defense ministers the st. close. look at this with the georgia schiffron son who's an associate professor of international relations at boston university. is an expert in us foreign policy in the history, the cold war. welcome to d. w. and let's start with general austin there and some people would listen to what he said and wonder if he's being overly optimistic. talking about ukraine being able to win this war. i'll tell you, i asked because whichever way the cards for the post conflict decades are likely to
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be filled with massive insecurity for whoever thinks that come out on top. yes, i think that's doubly right. in fact, number one, i think secretary austin might be a little over enthusiastic in an estimated credibility to push russia back out of the don back to something coastline. and then number 2, as you were alluding to, we are facing a renewed period of insecurity in europe election, which we haven't seen in over 3 decades. and the notion of ukraine winning against russia right now. that's a short term victory. the question of what happens after this remains highly uncertain. and so we have secretary blanket, general austin, arriving in ukraine with jo biden's good wishes and a multi $1000000.00 check book for ukraine to have pretty much everything at once except a no fly zone. it's president by right to draw the line that yes, he's in my opinion, he is entirely right to join the line there. right now the u. s. his army,
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ukraine is preparing ukraine to resist and push back into russian aggression. but a no fly zone would mean that the u. s. and presumably, the other nato allies are actually fighting russia over ukraine. that could very well lead to the world war 3 scenario that prison bite and alluded to and various speakers and which we should all be highly concerned about. ok, we're going to hear from the us defense secretary and then come back to you. we want to see raja weekend to agree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in inviting ukraine. so it has already lost a lot of military capability and a lot of a lot of its troops, quite frankly. and we want to see them not have the capability to very quickly reproduce that tape ability. joshua, chef lawrence and the dental often that it sounds like he's really asking ukraine to try and make up for the united states underestimating vladimir putin's ambition
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all these years. well, so i think that could be part of it and certainly the u. s. has been arming ukraine quite heavily, providing significant economic and military diplomatic assistance and support began . i agree with you that part of this is a mere culp campaign for underestimating the russian threat for a while. there is another element there, which i think goes to a point you raised a few minutes ago, which is, if we think that russia is going to be a challenge for the foreseeable future, any step that we can take now that would, we can, over the long term we can rush over the longer term, rebalance to the western advantage. so this is the 1st, this is the opening salvo and i think a longer term competition. that also is also future oriented as much backward the oregon. yeah, this is going to go in all sorts of directions because how much is this water sort of wake up call then for u. s. foreign policy. and once we're out of this mess, how is u. s. foreign policy is likely to appellate and change?
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well, so i actually think that u. s. foreign policy right now is very much focused on the russia threat, but over time we're going to see the u. s. continuing to pivot towards china, even deputy secretary defense kathleen hicks today give a speech that alluded to the us continuing to focus upon china. what i think we're going to see going forward either renewed nieto wide effort to focus on russia with the us, provide and diplomatic, the strategic leadership, increasing contribution from many european met, members of nato. so this is going to be continued focal point, even if it isn't the main focus of american resources. ok, the next question in 2 parts. if i make, let's imagine russia wins this war, however, massively way with that, then leave it in the world. a member of the us security council, but probably still under international sanctions with countries still desperate to buy its gaff despite their reservations. yes i, i think the only thing i think it is quite worrisome. what
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a russian victory means in this context. not just because defeating ukraine would be an affront. the international community will not just be problematic for russia, but at russia's isolation, you're going to be quite profound in a political sense, even if it is economically still intertwined with the world. this is a recipe for disaster. we're talking about there. a country that has massive economic resources, we could have commodity in it. oil and gas exports, and get is on the out. many members of the international community. this is a recipe for long term instability that russian victory is in some ways almost worse in the russian feet. whereas pads are rushed to feet. and we have this at the sort of the end of a sort of a trail of russian movement over the last 10 years. what it's striven to put itself at the center of world affairs. displacing the us at the key player in syria for example. and in increasing a vladimir putin in the middle east,
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but russia's incompetence in this war does seem to have undermined that image somewhat. yes. and so i think i would frame rushes goals a little differently. russia has been some ways following international crises and trying to preserve its lingering influence in the world. and as you alluded to, it's an incredibly clumsy ham handed, almost self harming in the process of doing so. and coming out of this, russia has essentially encircled itself with needed never more unified countries, like china and india distancing themselves in some way from moscow. this is a situation of russia is going to be a pariah. and i think putting things okay, so whichever way this goes, the world is going to be a much more dangerous and unstable place for the next decade or so. oh yes i, i think for the more the next decade, i think if the us and russia don't take good steps now, don't think why steps to sustain some degree of diplomacy. we can imagine
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a long term break, a real deep break between the western russia that would simply encourage russia to behave ever more responsibly in europe and encouraged the european countries in the u. s. as well, to really further deep moscow's isolation and set the stage for continuing, insecurity tensions in crisis. the lex which we haven't seen since the 1950s in that i can say, well sure how well i'm going to sleep tonight, but thank you for that analysis. joshua schiffron, so from boston university. thank you. on the diplomatic front, rushes foreign ministry, so came at germany today declaring 40 diplomatic staff persona non grata an order that expulsion that's about a 3rd of germany's diplomatic corps in russia. moscow said the decision was in retaliation for germany. expulsion of 40 russian diplomats. early this month, german foreign ministry said the tit for tat measure was expected, but in no way justified. despite its actions against moscow,
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in its support for kiva, germany is under pressure over its apparent slowness in supplying weapons to you. crime. berlin stance has been particularly criticized by baltic states like estonia . the w. c. political editor, mckayla kaufman, discussed germany's position with the estonian prime minister, a coyote callas, prime minister callous. you say you are expecting strong leadership from germany right now. what exactly do you mean? but we definitely expect is that germany is sir, is or so i mean supporting all the decisions that we make together and also showing the leadership in democracy. and of course, you know, gas or oil, it could be expensive but, but freedom is really priceless. so if you, if you can take the leadership role and also explain what is at stake here. you know,
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our neighbors problems today are hard problems tomorrow. if we help to end this war, you know, there will be less war refugees for germany. there will be less problems regarding the economy as well. and therefore, you know, the strong sanctions hitting, hitting hard wood would be something that would maybe and this and this for not immediately but still. so this is one side and the other side where we expect germany's leadership is in nato. you know, very carefully followed the discussions that you have in germany, and i understand what is the starting point here. but if, if you say that we don't want to go to any other war that is going on somewhere
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else. i totally understand that. but if nato is a defensive alliance and we are in this together, also germany has said, article 5 is iron clad, and germany will come to help if necessary. but then it's also for everybody important including germany to make those decision. so that we make nate a stronger and there will be no need to come to any help at all. so what do you feel isn't understood in berlin yet? that is understood in the baltic countries, for instance, that our neighbors problems to day her, our problems tomorrow, if we don't help on neighbors when their house is on fire, that pyre will also catch, you know, your house, 5 minutes to us. thank you very much. i not to france where voters have delivered, diverting to give it a manual macro,
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another 5 year term as president. it was a convincing victory, encumbered winning a comfortable 58 percent of the vote. while his father, i challenged generating the pen and took cut 41 percent. the best result get for the far right. the lowest turn out in a presidential runner since 1965 rather took the shine of the presidents when as millions of registered voters spoiled their ballots or chose to stay at home. i manual on the chrome victory and sundays vote was a big personal achievement. he's the 1st incumbent to be reelected in 20 years. yet, as paris woke up to 5 more years of a mac home presidency on monday, the focus at the new stands was very much on the challenge. he now faces to united nation at odds with itself. many voted from a kron solely to keep the fire rights marine la penn. out. and they now expect the president to make significant changes to how he governs mikka. what is the started
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something new? he's not going to do another 5 years at the same mandate. that's clear, we won't let him do it. if he does, i think people here ready to take to the streets if that isn't the right kind of government. he about lunmark lee. so go like a call a lot from all those follow the pan fared much better than in 2017 there. amend a big gap between her and micron. a source of disappointment to her supporters. i mean, we're just through this, i'm really surprised by that asi, i'm disappointed because i think she's the person who could embody a certain french revival in the long term, particularly when it comes to more re localisation in white. so, less globalization is as joy grew more. the wonders, mccoy himself, acknowledged that antipathy to le pen as much a support for him drove him to victory. just seriously. i know that many of our compatriots have voted for me to day, not to support the ideas that i stand for. this is, this is
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a part to block those of the extreme right. i said that if someone mc horn says he will respond to the anger and disappointment of those who voted for the pan . but that particular vote has never been higher. le pen is now emphasizing the importance of forthcoming legislative elections and says, she's not going anywhere with her this evening. i will say again, i will never abandon the french people. long, left a republic long left france as mc, collins victory was confirmed. far left demonstrators clacked with police and several cities across france. accuse him a crown of been a president for the rich. he insists he would be a president for all the french, but the republic he ruled is more divided into satisfied than when he began 5 years ago. so where does emmanuel macro go from here? while joseph to back is a historian, political scientist,
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and author of emanuel macro, the legendary, the revolutionary, present, beg upon, welcome to d. w. a french, a president can only serve 2 consecutive terms, sorry, mike emanuel macro cant run again in 5 years. so regardless of anything, he says, does he have any real incentive to do things differently this time? well, i think it my name, my comments to go down in history and he's already gone down in history because because he got real like this. and this is something that is very hard for me to do, and he only only got reelected, but he also got me like that without having a government in that shop. so governments from opposition and power. so it's quite an achievement what he did already and, but now he wants to go down in history. and if he wants to do this now need to sort of bring the french to pieces themselves to some extent, then he needs to do institutional reforms. basically rebuilt the political
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institution, and this is probably what he's going to do in the 2nd term. right. but in order to get, get that done, he's on marsh movement needs to do well in june's national assembly elections. and it's not likely given that such a large section of the electorate dislike him so much. well, there's 2 ways of looking at it. he's then if you look at sort of her and historical comparison is actually quite popular, he's much more popular in the negroes after the 1st one on we're at the same time of their mandates and he has good chances of winning winning another parliamentary majority. one, then it's much smaller than the $112017.00. but still the majority. nonetheless, the bizarre thing about the french and external system is that you only need about 30 percent of the votes to really when you know the presidential election and, and off the legislative elections. my only 128 percent in the 1st round,
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but it's enough because it's to run the election. let's talk about marrying the pan it trajectories. interesting. why is france is far right? becoming so increasingly attractive to french versus well, i think there is a big responsibility macro bears for the development of french politics, usually used to be for county to far less the central and provide in the far right . and my fraud took the center listen to center, right and merged it. and now micro has a monopoly on central politics. and if you just have one big central for is you create more space for the screens. so it's not only that the far right has one more in and the 1st round in this election is also the far left. so in a sense, you know, by, by getting all power at the sensor, he's giving more space to the extremes. but it's completely possible that once he
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leaves the political scene in 5 years, because he can't stand for reelection anymore. and the french political developed again, sort of from a free camp system to a foreign camp system, which would be very good for political stability in the country. right. so there's this, this notion of lorraine, the parent having sort of momentum, having built up a vote each time she's, she's standing. you think that with no macro in the, in 5 years time than she's likely to have much stronger competition from the middle . absolutely, i mean, the thing is, this was her election to win historically, sort of, you know, the left and the far right only ever had a chance of winning a presidential election if there were standing against the very unpopular incumbent . and now micro is very popular or some he's is very unpopular of others. and so this election was the only scenario where she could hope to serve. and you know,
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passed beyond her, both her potential break the glass roof that she, that she always has. and, and when the presidential run up and get to 50 percent and you know like she got 42 percent, which is a lot. but it's still a far, far away from the 50 percent. she would have needed to win. and in a sense, i would like to temper sort of in depression that we have most of this french election, france is. yes, a polarized country to some extent. but still a far place away from where the u. s. or the u. k. is where the fuck fights are i gender of them actually got a majority. a quick word with sort of alluded to to present macro. i'm moving on. does this, this movement that he built this all mass doesn't disappear without him as president in 5 years time. it's completely possible. i mean, right now,
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this is not a real party and it's more a club has been founded to elect him as president. and just, just as this movement just appeared out of nowhere, you know, created within months, it is completely possible that once my home needs know, not him are a central figure that can hold it together. and it disagree integrates into less than it's in our interests. and thank you so much for joining us. joseph historian and political scientist. thanks. awe. tesla. c. e o. ellen must curse bought twitter after the platforms bought accepted, his $44000000000.00 bed. the billionaire 1st announced plans to buy the platform at less than 2 weeks ago is described himself as a free speech absolutist and his pledge to be more lenient on policing use of speech. initially, twitter organized a so called poison pill to ward off the bill in their entrepreneurs,
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a hostile buyout, or some uses threatened to quit the platform to them. he said this, i hope that even my worst critics remain on twitter. because this is what free speech means. so how is this free speech or absolute is likely to change the platforms at the platform? his dear d. w. washington correspondence to me some scott that is a big question that everyone is asking when if you look at the messaging that we've seen from elan mosque on twitter itself because he himself is an active member on twitter. he tweets quite often. he believes that twitter needs to be a bastion for free speech. he believes that currently the way that the companies run means that content moderators go way too far, that they have too much power and deciding what makes it on to the platform that he wants to open up twitter more for what he calls important free speech. again, and in the regulatory filing, when he announced this on twitter,
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he said that he believed twitter to be the potential or rather to be a platform with the potential for free speech around the globe. and that, that is important for a functioning democracy. he's also talked about the, the fact that he wants to change the company's algorithm into an open source model . and that means that you and i thought we would be able to understand how the code that's used to, to run our timelines, how it decides what it shows us, what tweets are moved up on our timeline. so those are 2 of the concrete things that we know that you learn. musk is playing with but are playing with the idea at least, but certainly a we'll have to wait and see what his further plans are for twitter. ok, thank you for that. so sumi sumi so misconduct in washington well, the day is almost done. the conversation however, continues online. you find us on twitter. i've asked the w news or at still go, have a good with
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