climate change hawk store. this is mike leslie weighs from just one week. how much work and really do we still have time to work? i'm doing with his subscribed for more than just like oh those dw news lie from berlin? i'm nicole frilly good to have you with us. um, antonio terrace, the united nations secretary general is said to meet vladimir putin to day in moscow and as the highest profile peace mission since the war began. before that

meeting, the un chief sat down with russian foreign minister survey love ross there. he emphasized the need to minimize human suffering and ukraine western countries, a little chance of a diplomatic breakthrough. but there is hope of a breakthrough on humanitarian aid for ukrainian civilians. ukraine has asked gutierrez to push for the safe evacuation of civilians from the besieged city of mario paul in the room to think and date of we use. killian by a is following this meeting very closely. he's covering events in russia from the latvian capital riga. we will be talking to him throughout the next couple of minutes while we wait for a press conference from, from mr. good, cherish and mr. love rough to take place. first of all, hi, keeley on the you. when doesn't want to call this an attempt of mediation. so what's the secretary general's goal there in moscow?

well, 1st i want to say again that it's a huge success that a terrorist is even in moscow. and because gutierrez on putting weren't really on talking terms, hootin was angry or maybe even insulted that equity. irish heavily criticized the russian government for, for invading ukraine. and he said that this war went against the u. s. charter. so the result of this was that putin refuse to answer any phone calls by guiterres, and he didn't even call him back. so that they're speaking now is, is a huge success for, for who terrace. and, but of course, his main goal is to, that's at least what he said before he went to moscow. his main goal was to get a seats higher. and this is highly unlikely. most experts agree. this is not possible, especially because russia has launched a 2nd major offensive in ukraine. and the russian government is trying to gain as much a foothold as they can in the, in the east of the country. because of course,

the better the military steins in ukraine, the better the negotiation position is later on. but the footwork but potentials lane right now is of course, for a peace deal, but that is a long time away. that's as far, far down the road. now let's talk about the leverage that good terrace has and you said that he didn't want to talk hand to him for a long time. now he did accept that meeting. he is in moscow. now. does that mean that food might be open for concessions? well, i think only really vladimir pooty knows if he wants it go for concessions or not. and but i think we really do need to look at this, the situation in ukraine, the war and ukraine, so or russia, wanted to get killed in 3 days. they wanted to topple the nazi government in cuba, as they said that they did not achieve that. they were beaten back by the ukrainian

army, which was heavily armed by western allies. ukrainian resistance was very, very stiff. and so yeah, it also russia is also heavily isolated. now it's an international korea state jill jill politically, russia has also achieved the opposite of what, what had wanted put in, wanted to push back on nato's encroachment. now a sweden and finland are thinking about joining and of course, nato is heavily arming. the baltic states offering its presence in poland and the baltics here at our hotel, even in riga. there are danish troops that just arrived a few days ago, and they are probably also bolstering up nato's presence here in the baltics. so, if tutoring wants to go for for confessions or not, of is the big question, of course. and we will see what happens. ukrainian president val loading married to lensky express quite a bit of as

a discontent about the fact that good terrorist would visit moscow in fulton before he would come to keith, why do you think you chose that order? but many people were angry about putin visiting no, sorry, go cherish, visiting putin force before zalinski. because of course, russia is seen as the aggressor on the other hand of russian stay propaganda. and the russian government constantly claims that they are isolated and nobody wants to talk to them. so, of course gutierrez was taking a step forward now a step towards russia and returning to parish is the world's top diplomat. you could say. so of course, that is a step that has been taken by him. now that in his opening remarks, when he 1st sat down with la frank gutierrez said that he wanted to talk about minimizing the damage and the suffering of the p in ukraine despite. and i quote,

having different interpretations of the situation on the ground. and how can that be a basis of discussion with the kremlin, having different interpretations, different views of what is happening and with the kremlin, of course, promoting this narrative of actually acting in self defense, which it has been disproven, time and time again. well, different views are by the criminal or code, of course, based on russian propaganda. and they have a completely different purpose. russian propaganda is that bear to consolidate the people behind putin onto to divide the west. they are not really, it's not fair as a negotiating tactic. and of course it, there can be no basis for both sides. don't agree on what's actually happening on the less, i think maybe we will be able to see some sort of humanitarian chord are being opened. because this is also something, but that person could potentially use for his narrative on the domestic front,

saying it together with the top diplomat of the un, we decided to open the car door, let's say to mario pool, but we don't know what's going to happen. so it'll be exciting to see here, just joining us now. we are waiting for the press conference that follows a meeting between russian foreign minister survey love, rough and united nations secretary general antonio gutierrez. you're now seeing live pictures of the room where this press conference will take place. we are still waiting for them to come out. they have been in a meeting for about 45 minutes. they are scheduled to come out any minute. now in the meantime, i'm talking to kilian buyer who is analyzing and following this meeting for us from a riga. let's keep talking until the press conference starts. killian, what do you expect to come out of this meeting? if anything at all?

oh, what do i expect to come out of this meeting? it's, it's very difficult to say, of course are, you know, we saw when at the last the secretary general bunkie moon went to to a protein after putting on ex crimea and 2014 a. he talked about the very, very good talks with putin, a committee like they, they had a very, very constructive talk. and in the end, nothing really happened. so it's very, very hard to say. and, and yeah, we'll see how is this meeting being perceived in russia? is there as much anticipation as there is in the west where it's perceived as you know, that the 1st major push find the united nations for peace in this conflict? or it isn't just a minor event, is there not really much talking about this event?

when can you tell us about that? well, it's, that's actually an interesting question because it's very, very hard to see what, what the russian populace is thinking. and it's a, it's a big problem with authoritarian states that the more repressive they grow, the harder it is for information to get back up to the top. now there were poles taken recently by the lavonda center of the latin nevada center is a, is a big poll sir that is not just recognized in russia, but also in the west as well as having fairly credible data. interestingly enough, i had a friend from university who worked there and he said, it's the place where the russian government will turn to when they want to find out what the people are really thinking. now, nevada polled russians and asked them a yes, no question. are you for the war, or are you not for the war and around 70 percent? 2 thirds said they are for the war. now of course,

those are horrifying. none ours. but we need to remember that. imagine, imagine you're a russian citizen, like a family father sitting at home. it's tuesday evening. you're eating dinner with your family and kids and suddenly the phone rings. and someone says, hey, we're from the live auto center. are you for the war? or are you against that? well, you're going to think very, very hard about how you're, you're going to answer that question. because of course, the russia has really been cutting down on so civil society pushing, pushing back. and the people could face up to 15 years in jail. and if they, if they answer in the wrong way, of course, upholstered isn't it isn't out to get these people. but still this is all going through your head. so what russian says, say this is what the experts think at least people are more likely to give the socially acceptable answer. and to say yes, even though maybe they think no. so it's very, very hard to,

to filter what's really, really going on in the minds of people. and this makes it harder for the russian government as well. kelly, and we'll come back to you in a bit. we're still waiting for this press conference to start, but 1st we want to take a look at best situation in ukraine. and so thank you for the time being in ukraine . volunteers are working to am backed away in thousands of civilians and the east limping with daily and nightly ration artillery showing they live mostly in basements and shelters. many without electricity, gas, or water. b, i. this man is being evacuated from his home and hockey trapped in his flood. it is a miracle he survived. no on a new in north. they've been bombarding us all day and all night. now sheila blew in the beginning. it was quiet her night, sparkling. the bombing only happened during the day or will. but later they begun bombing at night too. well, nice pulled cook boulevard,

missouri hit here in the yard. really, sheila, who would war har? keith has endured a barrel of russian attacks. cons than shelling has reduced much of the city to ashes. now, some 50 residents have been evacuated from brun frontline neighbourhood. they have been taken to shelters where they hope to be safe. about 400 kilometer south safety is still a distant dream. russian forces continue to pummel the outs of stealth steel factory. the last pocket of resistance and mario pole. the port city has been under siege for weeks now. most of it has been wiped out by russian bombardment. the dire fate of mario pole has been a warning to other ukrainian cities to protect them. ukraine's president,

bloody mu zalinski, has asked allies for more support for every one in the world. even those who openly did not support us here now agrees that the fight in europe, the fate of global security and the fate of the democratic wisdom is being decided in ukraine. and it seems like his calls for greater diplomatic efforts are being heard with dozens of nations willing to support ukraine in a war that it simply cannot win on its own. and the german government has shifted its policy on ukraine and announced it will deliver anti aircraft tanks to the country. this as the united states host a meeting of military leaders as an added air base and ramstein, germany. today, us defense secretary lloyd austin, called the gathering of ministers and military leaders from some 40 countries, many of them outside of nato, to increase the flow of weaponry to ukraine. beyond the tanks, edmonds,

germany has also authorized the training of ukrainian soldiers to use artillery systems on german soil in conjunction with the american military. and let's hear some of what u. s. defense chief austin said at the start of the meeting today. this is justin and the crazy question for carl. as you know, i came here after traveling with my friends secretary of state, when we all intended and productive discussion with president alleged tv about work that work for my my paper. believe that your brain, the and you crazy changing requirements with the law into so i only for, for my son to producing an urgency,

i know that the whole here i'd like to talk today to leave a common and transparent understanding of the pre mirror because we're going to pull it out so that we can i spoke about this to thomas because he's a journalist, specializing and international defense and security policy. and i asked him, how much of a difference the jeopardy anti aircraft tanks that germany well now send to ukraine, could make the war actually, they can make quite a difference. it's not tanks, technically speaking, it's short range defense systems. well, it's an arm of chassis, but still the main important point is a empty air craft cannon on those machines. and the german army has taken them out of use almost

a decade ago. not because of are obsolete. but because at that time the sale was scaling down and they had no use for it anymore. i think they regretted it. meanwhile, because for outrage, air defense is much in demand everywhere now. and especially in the, in ukraine, so the ukrainians can make use of it. of course definitely. but this will also depend on how long it will take to train ukrainians on those get part. and jack rock can, and they are not, not really sophisticated by today's standards, but they require a lot of training for the radar for the electronics and so on. yeah, that was one of the reasons why germany was putting off. i'm giving these kinds of this kind of equipment to ukraine, wasn't it? i think give us an idea of how well equipped ukraine's army is now because there are a lot of countries pitching in the u. s. secretary of defense said,

today he's convinced that you crank and actually when this war well he has to say there's a psychology working at this point as well. if you look at the moment ukraine has received from the west so far, this is more or less a live album and its anti tang guided ammunition in german pounds of house. it stinger aircraft systems about the light aircraft system. what ukraine is lacking is heavy systems. main battle tanks, air defense not only is over the light air defense but heavier system. and this is talk to flow in mostly old soviet block weapons from the czech republic, from sla baker, probably from slovenia as well. this will go only so far because as a limited amount of these quotes over to them and available in those countries who

are in the eastern bloc and now are part of nato. so if nato, not nato, but if the west wants to continue supporting ukraine, they have to think about starting training ukrainians on western systems to deliver western systems as well. that the german government was very hesitant when it came to delivering, having weapons to ukraine. that garnered, well, i shot a lot of criticism here and i brought how big of a you turn is today's decision? well, it's, it's a u turn. it's a, it's a new quality. however, it's again a decision which allows a government to convey the idea. it's not bad news because it's not german stock, it's not coming from the drum forces. it's coming from the industry. so technically, the german government is only approving the drum and industry selling those get

parts to ukraine, which is completely different from the drama me delivering equipment journalists to last week. i'll thank you so much for. that's very interesting and science. you're welcome. and for the ukrainian side of things, i'm joined now from levine, vine, d, w correspondent, young phillips shots, young phillips and president lensky has been pressing germany to step up its military support. now, germany has promised the deliveries of these anti aircraft system. how is that announcement been received there? it's been received very well here in ukraine. ukrainian sir, have been hoping for this message for, for a while. no. and the announcement of the german defense minister to send sir anti aircraft tangs has been received extremely well. the ukrainians keep saying that they have a lot of men power. they have a good fighters,

but they are constantly confronted with heavy artillery. heavy weapons, sir, by the russian sides or by the russian side. and obviously you can only fight heavy weapons with of a heavy weapons. so they are very thankful for those for these news from germany regarding her and to aircraft systems. but of course, survey expect more. they see it as a 1st crucial spin. and just a quick reminder to our nearest we are waiting for a press con friends from circ, a lover of an am antonio terrorist. the un secretary general who is visiting moscow to day in an attempt to come to broker or some sort of piece or 2 until at least and decreased the suffering for civilians as he called it to day. but i want to talk to you before we can cross live to moscow about that meeting that is being held in ramstein, germany today,

where there are the defense ministers of some 40 countries, not only nato countries, bird countries from around the world. we're discussing how they can help you crane of fend off the russian invasion militarily. what do you think? hopes are in key f. o could be the result of this meeting and ramstein? i think the hopes are very easy to summarize, sir. heavy weapons again. this is word sir, the ukrainians are hoping for the regarding the meeting between neglige head, us and say, and put in then sir, the outcomes of this diplomatic efforts. i don't think their expectations are very high, but their expectations are very high. regarding nato and t regarding their closest allies, of course, the closest allies for the ukrainians at the moment are the united states. a hi delegation was here 2 days ago and said the united states have already promised

more than $3000000000.00 us dollars of military age and they are 2 days ago during their visits, in case they promised even more. so this was very well received. it's still not enough, of course, from the ukrainian side, but 1st of all, they are looking to the united states and they are looking to there are western neighbors, especially poland, slovakia, the baltic countries, they have been close allies to and they hope now of course that more countries will join and they see the signs from germany, of course, and hope that it will go down this direction in the next days and weeks. so military support on one side. but the un secretary general is in moscow today in trying to find a diplomatic solution to the conflict. though the government and keep hold out any hope that antonia the terrace will achieve anything there. to be honest,

i don't think the hopes are very high. there are not very high expectations at all . the ukraine is involved in very heavy fighting at the moment in the east of the country. and the south of the country and russia has made it more than clear that it's, it's ambition, is much more than the don bus region. so at the moment, sir, it doesn't look very likely that there is room for any to pull magic solution. in general, people here are disappointed sir, regarding the role of the united nations. they think of the united nations could have done more before the war broke out, put, they could have put more pressure on russia. and also since the beginning of the war they, they see the role of the united nations rather marginalized and philip shouts from a western ukrainian town levine. thank you so much for the time b. now

we mentioned earlier that military leaders are meeting in germany today to focus on frustrating russia's invasion of ukraine on him. we're putting has put his strategic nuclear arsenal on high alert, a warning to the west not to interfere monday russian foreign minister assert a locker offset. the danger of a nuclear confrontation is, quote, serious and should not be underestimated. analysts believe the risk of an all out nuclear war is low, but there are concerns. code might be tempted to use so called tactical nuclear weapons in ukraine. ah, russia testifies a new intercontinental ballistic missile. a strategic weapon capable of destroying a city on the other side of a planet. president putin flexing his nuclear muscles as his war in ukraine flounders. take you through to look when you are this unique weapon. it will

enhance the military potential of our armed forces that you will provide security from external threats and make those use aggressive rhetoric to threaten our country who are go think twice against you in the brig. without a written notice, threatening to west sees this as the more realistic threat this launch can fire tactical nukes, short range missiles, with smaller payloads, less destructive, designed to take out air fields, ships and columns of tanks. the fairies about putin could use a tactical nuclear weapon if it proves impossible for him to win. and ukraine with conventional means that a lot of mere pollutant decides to use such a weapon. and we hope that he does not know that there will be severe consequences and there is no doubt that it will change the world in significant ways. i

showed that happen back in the cold war for western response to a strategic nuclear strike in it. cities was clear and simple, a global thermonuclear exchange. but what about a small scale tactical attack on a battlefield and ukraine? would the west responding kind and risk in all out to nuclear war with russia? it's a question. western leaders are still grappling with as for conventional war and ukraine continues. some sort of defense ministers are currently holding a meeting at the american airbus ramstein and german. and for more i am joined find italy and political correspondent, benjamin over us who is near ramstein at benjamin and tell us what you know about this meeting. what is being discussed what is being discussed is not only the weapons deliveries for ukraine now,

but also when it comes to the security after it winds the war, would secretary of defense, sad is that ukraine believes that it will win the war. and so everyone else here referring to the members to the delegations that are taking part in this very important meeting. and mr. austin also said that he referred to these changing requirements by ukraine when he visited keith, when he visited ukraine's capital a few days ago. and he spoke to ukrainian president to lensky, also with him worse and there miss m the state department. so em both ministers where saying that they want to have this coming approach by alice, that is so important for them to show ukraine desolate therapy and also to look behind what nato is doing. this is not a formal nature meeting. this is not a meeting that is taking a part is part of the nature alliance. is there many members that were invited that are not part of nato or not yet?

part of nato, as a finland and sweden as well. they a meeting here. they give a short em press conference, a few short statement in the morning saying that it's important for them to show solidarity it with ukraine. also, when it comes to heavy weapons. and those are the news that we got, that germany is now open also to deliver this anti aircraft systems. and defense minister christina lambert said that is important. germany is taking this step and it will also help with training ukrainian soldiers here on german so. so big developments and we'll have to statement at 4 at 5 also with them showing what the path forward will be. so the defense minister is gathered to day in germany, the united nations secretary general is currently in moscow. and we're waiting actually for a press conference or with him answer gay long for of the russian foreign minister . and a while we wait, i want to talk to you about those defense ministers and those nations that are

gathered in ramstein today. 40 different nations were invited finding us to take part in this conference. how significant is that? how big of a signal is this not only to ukraine, but also to russia? it is highly significant in russia. it's pretty of, well, what's happening here. let's rim of the russian. foreign minister says a lover of sad, the national debt that nato was already involved in a proxy will by supplying weapons a to ukraine warning of a 3rd world war, saying that the risk of a 3rd world war should not be minimized to russia is of course, closely following what is happening here as antonio terrace is in moscow is in russia also to see if there is any way of their sale. but this is indeed a very important meeting at today was pretty short notice. on thursday, on friday, they invited the u. s. invited its allies around 40 members and as you mentioned,

not only members that are part of their lines already, but also others like for example, japan well closely following of course, what this war in ukraine, what consequences this war would have, for example, on and china as well, so that's why it's important for these delegations, for this high level delegations. we have defense ministers, we have security, we have military exports as well as meeting her to see what a common approach could be. i mean, we know that the ukrainian side is pretty straightforward. when it comes to the demands, what the actual, the need saying that they need to have the weapons. there is a big discussion here in germany and the press. sure, of course, on the chancellor, on the social democrats is increasing not only from the position, but also from within the government. we have the greens, we have the pro business f d p party. they met last week and said that it's important to supply these and heavy weapons for ukraine. the chancellor for has been reluctant, not saying,

but also not denying that germany will sent this have a weapon. so.