new strikes against the vase in western you crime, the cities mer says explosions don't felt power in some areas and injured to paypal, paid while ukrainian fine to say russia has launched a new assault on the steel plot. and mary felt that she needs to update this. i will have more headlines, boy at the top of the next hour, but day to now the dw business watching oh, people and trucks injured was trying to see the city center more and more refugees are being turned away at the border. families playing all the tags in syria to these credit owners with getting 200 people with around the world. more than 300000000 people are seeking refuge. yes. why?

because no one should have to flee. make up your own mind to w. made for mines. me, george isn't a particular place when we look at the situation there in the situation. ukraine, there are parts of georgia that are basically occupied by, had basically occupied the barrier was to military bases in each of the 5 territory. but how, how does that, you know, a point of view from georgia when looking at ukraine? is there a sense of similarity? is there a feeling that maybe georgia might be next? there is a sense of solidarity. there is a sense that we are having the exactly the same history because we have gone

through the same history since the russian empire through the soviet empire to now russia. and we have experience exactly the same thing we think that we are already occupied and we already have this experience. so what is dominating is probably not the fear. it's probably silly diversity at this stage. the ga population is really feeling that is another self that is now under attack. and we're looking with hope to we ukraine has been resisting it, has been showing for unity as manage to gather support from all its partners in europe as in the united states. so we're really looking at that with the ration you have numerous times called for more support and more

attention for georgia. would that support also mean more and military support training weapons? is that also one? and i think that we have, we can always have more defensive weapons because that's all the ga do. but we've had quite a number of trainings we had the new training just months ago. we have had the training directly on the ground to win georgia and soldiers that were in quite numbers and together with the germans have damage done. and we are really considered by need to as one of the goods, the pupils of the integration policy. so what we really need is a tweaker and sure a pass towards integration both in you and natal because that's where we see that security argument security cannot be in a war because we will never be able to win the war with russia. georgia,

the population is showing a lot of sort of solid there with ukraine, but there is some dissatisfaction that the government hasn't maybe done enough to show its support for ukraine. you have been very outspoken and showing solidarity for ukraine. is the government going far enough? and listening to what the people are asking for, you know, the ukranian sometimes are asking more and more from their partner not only from georgia. they have had some harsh words for different partners, including the last to lincoln when he was coming through. don't bring the truck, let's bring arms that. the so yes, they would like to also receive arms from georgia to have georgia opening the 2nd from all of that is not possible. so i think that the government is just more realistic about what georgia can do at this stage and having these to occupied

territories. one of which is now talking about a referendum to join rochelle. and so clearly we have to be careful because we don't have many names and nobody would be ready to support georgia and in the same way. but that does not in any way changing the level of sudden diversity that we have. what the people are, are saying when criticizing the never meant is also that maybe they're not fully embracing the sanctions and that the position has been maybe a bit different words and the villain because not trying to be not to provocative. but in fact, to georgia is fully applying sanctions and we're seeing now the, the effects internally in d could i mean on some very important sides of the, of the economy. and we are sharing all of the international sanctions completely so

work the government were saying that we are not adding to the existing sanctions which we are complying and sometimes overly compliant in order not to be. we are not adding national sanctions to we do not know very well what would be the additional national function that georgia would be reflective on the russia. but that being said, i think that the public opinion is a board. it is a fine line to walk, trying to not get russia angry against georgia. many western countries have been doing that for many, many years. and while being under the protection of both article 5 and the europeans and everything. so i don't think that one can expect from a country that is on the front to any way. and who has none of these protections? and there are only 2 countries like that along with those that are very vocal. it's

more divined georgia, all the others, the beach, both states, problem do, border countries. all of them are protected and very protected as we have heard the mention so many times that the article 5, the border and those that are on the side. and those that are on the other side, georgia foot forward on a formal application to join the european union. what importance would it have for the country were it to join the union? it's not where it is. now pass that has become reality. i think thanks to watch the ukraine in the war and ukraine has shown to the european leaders that the past the weight was provided for the for the long term perspective. that was very leg. see

both in, you need to, in fact he's not giving those countries the sense of belonging that we after all these years do deserve. and so the, one of the ways to show support for, for these countries against these threat and aggression is to embrace them. and i think that's the realization that we are seeing. now. germany has said it would support georgia in this process. but in the past, we've seen, for example, with joining nato that and germany is not necessarily been so supportive of that. that membership happening soon should germany and other european countries have done more earlier to support georgia in these endeavors. i would say yes, but what i can say that's what i think very promising that they have change now. so i'm more interested about the supports to dave than about the analysis of the past

. and i think that it's remarkable, the way in which germany has evolved. it's the vision of course, europe of supporting ukraine is even supporting it very directly. and that gives us a lot of hope to. i think it's the same manner. friends have changed a lot. and those are the countries that traditionally were not very enthusiastic about this process. so integration in both direction. and i think it's something that is quite a trade among all the european leaders, at least those that i've talked to in. i think that there is a kind of consensus that is emerging of the fact that there should be this new approach. you don't think that if you're a pin countries had acted upon the sooner maybe some of the events that we've seen could have been prevented or the countries in the region either through the like to

to change the weight of responsibility from one side to the other yes, the european countries and united states could have done more, could have been more digital and could have been more clear about what was the nature of russia. they're further away than we are. they don't have the same experience and that doesn't change to the fact that there is only one responsible and that is russia. we cannot truth responsibility in an equal manner of those that wanted to see things to be different. wanted to believe that russia would change and wanted to believe that there were things that could do. and that's something that is in the very nature of the democracy, stays to want the other to be like self. and if you choose not to try to help you to change it to become like lycos. and

unfortunately, that doesn't happen is george already do thing to enter the european union? there has been some questions about body application of civil rights. a certain that we have clearly not fulfilled the all the requirements for entering the european union. and i don't think that anybody's saying that we would not to need to continue and to accelerate also the piece of reforms that i think we have done quite a lot. and frankly, i don't think that georgia is the worst critic country, the whole european union. and especially looking at where we come from and what conditions this is happening. but i think that we will do much more once we are within rather than being left outside where after a while,

then you lose the support of the, of the population. if he doesn't look real enough. so i think that this new circumstances are going to push us to be more worthy. what is the mood in georgia? are people afraid of what is happening in ukraine with russia? and yeah, is there a feel that georgia maybe vulnerable also to russia propaganda, and that that would have an impact on the mood of the people in the country? i think that today's concern about what russia can do because clearly it has shown that it can do everything. and there is no inner limitation to what russia might be tempted to do. so this concern exist. i don't think that it's i would not qualify it as fear because we have gone through many of these things. and so there is a kind of resilience and use the population is used to this to

this behavior. and in terms of, for russian propaganda. yes, it's, they're attempting to do that, but there to georgia has been living under sublet propaganda for 70 years and resistance to that propaganda which was very organized. and i think that we are better able to defend ourselves against, including fake news and propaganda because of this past them. some other countries that have not known what it means to be under complete control, to and distorted information for president remish. really thank you very much. for your time, thank you. ah. in

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