right for and has to be built and then we'll have to be so compromised among the 27th you members states. but for the time being, i think, put in will very probably be surprised by the european union's ability to act together. not only on sanctions, but also so many countries have delivered arms to ukraine. the welcoming of ukrainian refugees is remarkable in the european union. and so there is a lot of support for ukraine. and this may actually surprise learning included with all he would win this war in a much shorter time span. the stakes are hi daniela parts are executive director for europe and eurasia at the open society foundations. thanks so much for taking the time to break that down for us. thank you very much for having me. ah lou. the russian invasion has turned the lives of ordinary ukrainians upside down. the united nations estimates that more than 5 and

a half 1000000 people have been forced to flee the country and finding their footing abroad is especially difficult for those with family members requiring special care or medical attention. deterred on our chic escape the war in ukraine by fleeing to germany. now, her main worry is keeping her 10 month old son, david's a life he needs breathing equipment to stop his lungs collapsing. david suffers from spinal muscular atrophy. a rare degenerative disease causing gradual loss of function without treatment, babies with the condition usually die by the age of 2. when you that a yeah, like i can sleep at night, even when does he does the sleep hours aluminum? i keep checking on him. i pray to god when he wants stuff breathing. why and sometimes it seems like he is not breathing.

that the guy, and i think it's a genetic disease where you can simply loose your child in a moment. veto lift ukraine with the beats and her older son of young who 7. just as the 1st shots were being fired. like you are the, when i saw the fear in our jumps eyes i am new, we had to flee back home and ukraine veto was able to race 11000 euros a month for david's treatment through crowd funding. here in germany, volunteers including jojo and sunday, rena, help her to obtain the drugs and german health insurance covers what's needed now. in the longer term, davita will need gene therapy, costing to 1000000 euros. it's not clear whether that will be covered when does

ellen gene. so i just have to hope we can get the treatment for david or to get the day know that he would live yet. i don't know whether he would be able to set up a walk, but i know he would live. having fled the war with the children and coping with of its illness liter cannot be certain. she will ever return to ukraine. that she went in for such a long time on the week was a gut punch. you know, it was a dark moment for folks who are doing this work. and that's not to say that, you know, we understand and we've been under a lot of restrictions that already exist, even though roby weight was legal. but it was still pretty impactful and resonated within our communities. and always as a doctor, you have to advise people who need help. what changes are you expecting if this ruling comes down as expected? yeah, absolutely. unfortunately in texas, we've had a preview or many preview of what's about to come for

a lot of other states around the country. that's a heart beat act bill that you mentioned that essentially bands abortions past 6 weeks. you know, a lot of people come to the emergency department and for a handful of folks, i'm the 1st one to tell them that they're pregnant and a lot of cases. that's fun news. that's good news to celebrate her mood. but some patients will ask me, what options they have and our past 6 weeks, the unfortunate truth does, they might not have a lot of options in me simply, you know, even guiding them to resources. whether that's an o b, or other community resources could open myself up to litigation and being sued for up to $100000.00 in the fact that i even have to think about that when i should only be thinking about a patient's health is ridiculous. i want to ask you, what will this ruling mean for people training to give abortion? i mean doctors could also face life in prison if they disobey this law. can you provide the services that people need? well, that's a great question. look when we are in medical school and say you want to become an

o b, you go to residency, you want to go to the most grueling of programs of programs that's going to give you hundreds and thousands of procedures. so what if you practice in a state where abortions are banned, you're not going to get that experience. and then 11 day you have to perform an abortion as a life saving measure. or you work in a state where it's label and you have to perform and you may not be giving the best care to that patient. and so even our medical education training system is something that's going to be affected by this. and a lot of fun turns around us. an answer we touched on the fact that last year, texas passed a restrictive 6 week abortion band. i'm not horse many to seek treatment out of state. now this could be a look at what's to come in many other places. can you tell us what the obstacles are facing? people who do have to travel to access abortion? i mean, i think portions already on extensive enough procedure, but i really want to know that a lot of people cannot travel for their abortion procedures. it's already a costly process. * it, you know, you know, traveling child cater,

making sure that transportation is available, but we work in communities where folks who are undocumented can get across internal immigration checkpoints. and so whatever health care that the state of texas offers is what people are subject to. so those conversations around traveling out of state when people deserve health care in their own cities is a lot more complicated than just that. thank. can you tell us a bit more specifically about how people of color are affected by these laws. we live in areas without the support of mass transit. so whenever we take into account abortion appointments, we have to take into account transportation, child care. often the conversations that we're having with people is do i go to my healthcare appointment, or do i pay for my utility bill? or do i go to my health care appointment and be in risk of being placed in deportation proceedings and separate it from my family. and these are long conversations that we've been having and communities like this. even with robi,

wait, present, writes, or travel doesn't seem realistic there. i'm always of the w h o says unsafe abortion is a leading cause of maternal deaths. he knows why it's so important to have access to trained professionals. yeah, absolutely. you know, it's saying that we've been saying a lot banning abortions will ban safe abortions, not unsafe abortions. and we've all heard these stories of patients, you know, being taken to extreme lanes and taking extreme measures previous to roe the wade and you know, ending up in life threatening situations. you know, 11 point i'll make is we talk about abortion as a choice for a lot of i'd appreciate a couple weeks ago that had pulmonary fibrosis for that patient or lungs or a week they were pregnant for them being pregnant was a life threatening condition and the fact that in some states that might be banned under this, and the fact that that might be harmful to that patient is unthinkable to me as a medical provider. and as i mentioned, you need

a lot of training to be able to perform safe abortions. the fact that we might have some physicians and some providers that might not get that training because of this because they won't see those patients and then won't be to take care of those patients when they see them in the future as once again unthinkable. and if you or your colleagues treated patients who have sought out illegal unsafe abortions, yes, i'm an emergency medicine provider. what i do is if a patient would like to go down that route, i refer them to an o b. whether that's in our hospital or out in the community. as i mentioned, it's something that's become more difficult because providers are scared that they are going to get sued by essentially, anyone as that's how that texas beltran, and if this decision, it really comes down. we are expecting abortions to be completely band so it can be even more difficult to get them those resources. i'm in a timely manner in a manner that safe for them. an answer from your experience, living and working in texas a what a

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even go as far as the russians bear all the crimes. mitchell currently in the territory of this is april. this is something bad. many crania is my thought, still cannot puzzle together. what have you learned about yourself during this period? our locks, i think that's myself, like many of the crating women, we uncovered the strength that we never knew we had before. on this, these past 2 months and the beds have been about unity and have been about billions for every single costs and for every single family ukraine. we have discovered all myself, those that we are strong people. we are a nation united nation nation touch, really, really love this country and is prepared to die for. and the knowledge is you say

prepared to die for it, but the knowledge that life good and today tonight, tomorrow for you and those who you care about. is that an ever present feeling and does that sap your focus or does it in the way in spy? you are going to live with bustling on, so have millions of ukrainian flu, remained a new crime i. it's a strange feeling that you know that this can all am tomorrow, but i think the fear of losing freedom and losing lives in the free grain is greater than the fear of losing your own life. you mentioned the crimes that are being committed and you've been keeping track of some of the war crimes allegations that have been piling up against russian forces, especially when it comes to the the treatment of women and girls. how shocking has that been for you? that is exactly what my mind cannot put together the puzzle pieces. all that right

in front of me on the table with the facts. all right, committed against ukrainian women, ukrainian field from cranium on armed man. ah, i have the fact numerous tortures and all their thousands of tables, sometimes with absolutely devastating pictures to go wisdom. but my brain cannot process the cruel behind it. the intentions of violence. this is, this is the restlessness with which i also had lunch and it was the rest of the brain which leads to many sleepless nights. do you believe the russian commanders of ordered these crimes the ledge to have been committed or simply turned a blind eye to them? i believe that the strategy of the russian army, that a lot of the leadership of russia, the country to destroy ukraine and ukrainians in every way possible was the russian doing is,

is more than just physically killing ukrainian soldiers. they are trying to raise the crating in nature from the face of us doing this in so many different ways. the fact that our children today for more than 2 months have been deprived of proper to cation the school. the close, the can, the gardens university. so, cost ukraine, that only online schooling on the children are not in schools learning things, not socializing, was that kids, but they are hiding in bumps shelters. they are in the basement, hiding from russian, artillery and from russian soldiers. hunting them down to kill them, to torture them, to rate on this is a future generational ukrainians which will be growing up was huge for months on with very, very limited education and learning skills. this is ukraine talking about a european nation, which has pride as well. yes. and the number of literal people,

literally children of the 6 fast as a new patient successes of the children's schools and russia taking. that's why they are destroying that deliberately. what about the chances of bringing winnable prosecutions against any of the soldiers that have been committing these acts? so 5, believe 10 have been identified. a suspects from the unit that occupied butcher where the bodies of civilians apparently shot in summary executions were left lying in the streets. do you have any hope that these people might be brought to trial might be brought to justice? i'm confident the justice will be sun, will be solved of the cranium courts and the within the cranium, justice system. it will be found in international conditional bodies such as the international criminal court, the national court of justice. and i found that eventually we'll send out

a special criminal tribunal for bruton or his cronies or the general soldiers. how can commit crimes in you? talk to me if you will about life on the occupation in cas on, for instance. is there anything in russia's behavior that allow you to form any view of their long term aims? the russians long term aims. i gather the mass, been replaced, the currency is being replaced with russian roubles reports that russia textbooks had been brought into schools that the internet has been disconnected and connect reconnected to moscow's own system. is this the template as far as you know, because the preparations being made for permanent occupation of the places where they are at the moment. it looks like it. i mean, you asked me questions back here about dying. i said to you, there's a fear about using the 3 them. you can rephrase that by saying a fear of living under such conditions that you have just described or song. well,

you just don't lose everything like physically because you're home at this point. but you can, you are told how to live, you are being deprived of configuration channels being deprived language of your history, of your car and see even, and you're being told that this is it, this is how you live. now you have no choice. i think the one that every ukrainian or us on many mighty, but they are all the cities which of the 2 eyes the russians are trying to impose on all of the play. and again, this gets the cranium, nation, even more, united and even more determined to fight even harder. what's the role of a politician like you under the circumstances? what, what can you do feel, constituents? how do you even keep track of the of the living in the dead today?

it's much easier than back in the day i imagine because of the social and because everybody literally has devices with the internet and i can do a wider outreach. and this is how we lunch. they are the needs of the people. they're all a physician is to be here on the ground with the people of ukraine, supporting them using them with the national park. this can provide system can provide relief to the various needs and we took basic needs here we're doing about getting food to people, medicine care for the sick and elderly, that sort of thing to military. and i want to watch how and what level do do the mechanics of daily life continue though under this constant bombardment? actually, now it has become more or less back to normal if you like. i'm talking now downtown i seen the tree to lots of calls. lots of people passing by the shops are the

things that we have every iron founding from time to time. and we learn to live with us in the background on learn to, to, to make best of it on every single person has found space in their life will and will helping others who was so than they are on the fingers. football in the chairs, politicians, government officials, apart from our regular duties about writing laws, debating them in parliament voting. also discussing them in committees, we find a lot of space and a lot of time for coordinating volunteer coordinators, military, coordinating military assistance to, to the different territorial defense units into the different to you even. so every what, but he's doing that to keep ukraine safe, to keep the community safe and at the end of the tasty house. you said recently

that 80 percent of your thoughts directed at the now of the war, but 20 percent is thinking about the future and about reconstruction. how vital is that from a practical point of view? and i suppose from the point of view of morale as well, it's absolutely important to look to the future to know your boss and to the present. so because the conditions are for today, we have to concentrate on the presence to survive. and that's the main thing, but then again, we're talking about people coming back to craig. we're talking about people coming back to find destruction ah, in the challenge that have been occupied by russia and how be free by you, craig, and he's don't built this is just a simple example of that. and to rebuild any to be a vision or rebuild that needs to be a plan like there was a marshall plan for europe. that must be a certain plans. we grant,

they would go with the brussels because essentially the us situation. we have come forward and we have started to devise, devise such a scheme as to how to win the crane and how much money is to be allocated to the okay. although writing a part of the, the case thing a big role as well. there is a whole team or british economist which is now locking crania specialist next, but to also devise a plan of becoming recovering which would title, so the energy effect on the agriculture sector on the industrial and trading sectors. so what is being done? but of course, the gwinnett county folks cannot dedicate 100 percent off trying to dodge block mrs . russell and go on the political front. you recently been very critical of the un secretary general antonio. good cherish because he went to moscow a few days ago before going to keep. what did he bring back from russia?

anything that your government thought was worth listening to. you brought back my cell attack on in the building and which was straw that several people died from from that come to a panel. so were injured, taken to hospital was heavy ones apart from that not, not much have resulted not really not, not really his fault. but, you know, the point is that i think he, this is the point of time to try to make meaning many times that the un needs reform. you entered the system has failed. so big time to prevent was in the past prevent this war rushes aggression which has been going on for a wash of the secure, to count having veto power option when russia is responsible for the in 14,

the world and the instability in the world today, they are making decisions we have as the cranium time and time again re issued out the form of the, the us. we were not hard. then when we had secretary general, but going to moscow and then coming to q, that also doesn't make sense. why go undo, paid the respect to the case, to the aggressive come come to ukraine? see what russia has done, and then go to, which was the demands of the, of the white route before the point i was trying to make. but ok to be fair to be fine. i also general's visit the evacuation of the people from the style of the still works in mary has started and has had many success. so i'm grateful that i would love to believe that it's

because that was these negotiations with you and her treatment. that is the case then was great gratitude. i'm great respect. i say thanks to the un secretary general along with other ukrainian m. p. 's. you spend some time shuttling between western capital's explaining ukraine's position. it's requirements, it's views, and especially it's suffering. and you've heard a lot of overarching expressions of solidarity and promises of full support. but you haven't been that impressed with them. have you? not of them. not with all of done i was a, was the weather change. fuller guards message or sale well received here and grain . de also allowed the cranial people to go on for so long. because knowing that the unfeeling immense support from every single country in europe, every single country in europe on the continent was a great clash, but the ukrainians to keep calling to know that we're not alone. and this,

and you know, that's the big european family to which we, we strive so much that was, that's important. but of course, what i would like to see is that was would be back talk by action. and we are slowly get that as a friend, get some weapons on ukraine, is getting more help in terms of financial assistance and rushes, getting more and more functions around that can be functions of becoming more. i must, the only thing is it would have been better every say not just we pray. if all of this was happening faster on a couple of months back. but then time, a few weeks ago, you accused western countries of doing the bare minimum and standing on the sidelines watching ukraine as if it was a boxing match or a tv documentary. you've changed your view since then. there's a lot more than that. minimum isn't there?

today when i see the weapons which are being delivered by the western allies and what i know for a fact from was towards the military, you know, i know me that you want to get to that to, to, to are they supposed to get them? they are being used for grantees, then i have them to be unhappy. i mean, these are weapons and the support, the main ideas for it to keep coming until the plague russians aggression is stopped and returning back into to, within the borders of russia. you wanted a no fly zone, you didn't get it. do you want nato troops fighting alongside you in, in ukraine? well, that would be always the preferred option. but you understand why they're not at the same time, although that's always the preferred option that we have fallen here side to side

with us. fighting for freedom and democracy for peace in the world. the much. but at the same time, i bring in the has proven itself to be absolutely self sustainable when it comes to, to fighting of the russians as long as we have the means to fight. and if the native problem was on the international community provides us with those instruments, survive weapons, and then we're good to go. we can, we stand russian, russia we can keep fighting for the rest of europe, can be the protectors of europe while protecting our freedom at the same time. but when putin as openly referred to his nuclear arsenal and put it, he says on a higher state of alert, you wouldn't expect the west, the nature in particular not to take that threat seriously. would you in all honesty should have made so many claims which she never went had one

saying that he is willing to deploy nuclear weapons in the crane will be suicidal to him to his own country and people as well. and it's a good thing that it's not just him alone put in allied who is in charge of pressing that one, read the whole line to start deploying nuclear weapons. and in all honesty, if she had gone completely insane, which is clearly the case, not all of his generals, and not all of the people in the line of command in moscow, have gone badly and fame as to wish that upon themselves. do you still think that the un and nato, as you said, dinner tweet on march, the 13th were showing weakness and cowardice said the un needs reforming very fast name. nate, nate, so we'll find the nato is dividing by 2 by the

baron off. but at the same time, the different states are showing more, more confidence and more courage on that than that whole organization to get. i think this is the courage such ukrainians expect from that you know, not the snap line going around. thing being brave like ukraine. and this is what we want from our friends. but cowardice is, is babs, an unfair criticism, isn't it? and on fact, sit and watch of nato and the un, well, you act as an organization has deep structural problems. i covered already the ground about russia being a country because power on the security council being responsible for the insecurity. the un could have been peace thing,

trips into ukraine through the general assembly decision. it has a feel provoking world war 3, but in all honesty, twitch, and that to attack any of the country for the very reason that he has no resources for doing that. for the very reason that he is concentrated on the crane and maybe a couple of other eastern european countries. because christian, his goal is to rebuild a russian empire. this is the ideology behind this war. this is the ideology behind how russia functions of the country. they want to know and they feel great, and then they want to bring in the worst possible sense, but history books since what they're doing, they're not interested in going ahead was or, and i don't know a call that america because they, they would not be able to, to pull that top when the world's fancy united,

in the same way that she cranium still united against person. there would be nothing that he could to this war could have stopped. wait, wait. the 3 days at the international experts were giving us a nation for standing up the 2nd largest song in the world who having least 3 days to rent the school. if aah, native says you and forces would have been trimming in time. the school could have been in 3 days, but could have been over for russia on 3 days. there are plenty of western experts who dispute your assurance that booting would never press the button and use his nuclear missile. but i want to, in the time we have left to, to look at where the war might go. now, a month ago, president lansky said that negotiation was the only way out of the conflict. but he added, you cannot just demand from ukraine to recognise some territories as independent republics. these compromises are simply wrong. we have to come up with

a model where you, craig will not lose its sovereignty and it's in its territorial integrity. do you have any idea what that model might look like? dots is very simple. i mean, russia committing a crime, crime of aggression. there's no doubt about that. i think it's very much clear when all of the international community, what pressures doing that kind of aggression has clear criteria as described in the number of conventions. and with that does also consequences, which were came to crime of aggression is committed. and the consequences of fudge, the 1st of all, the crime must be stopped. hence, russia must retreat. all of its strips from ukraine. the borders of ukraine must be reinstated, and then russia must pay reparations. it's as simple as that was know, while the negotiation between be taking place any negotiations. ukraine

is presumably requested to give up any territories or to make any kind of other confessions. russia will fail. these negotiations will not bring long standing peace to ukraine to europe. fortune, the world, these a kind of succession negotiations will only incite more aggression in the world. it will inspire the search and leaders across the world to follow and produce stance. and they were in spite of continue to go in for more land. the only solution is to make cautious, stop the crime of aggression, to restore the territorial integrity of ukraine and jimmy crusher. pay for all the crimes that you have committed, and the territory of ukraine, the crime of aggression against international peace and security. leslie of alan basil and cope. it's been very good to have you on cold sick so thank you very much

indeed. thank you. thank you. it was a pleasure. ah ah ah, with

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