it's war in the european union's executive has proposed a phased ban on russian oil imports as part of its toughest sanctions package, yet against moscow. but does the move go far enough fast enough? and can e u member states agree to the plan to throttle russia's war machine that use chief or slough under lions says it won't be easy. i'm claire richardson in berlin and this is the day ah, today we are presenting our 6th package of sanctions. reduce our door is simple, we must broach the russian rule machine. we need to make sure that, but we don't finance for this war. so we need more sanctions also on energy. so today we will propose to ban all russian oil from you. of course, if a heavy load to bear,

but we are ready to run through new dawn for you with honorable members, we once ukraine to win this war also on the day 5 and a half 1000000 people have fled ukraine since the start of the war, an unthinkable disaster for all of them, but a question of life or death or the parents of severely ill children who i can sleep at night. even when davida sleep aluminum, i keep checking on him. i pray to god that he wants stuff breathing. why and sometimes it seems like he is not breathing hello and a very warm welcome to the shall another european economic salvo is heading toward moscow. as the european union proposes a gradual embargo on russian oil and the new sanctions regime would mean

a sizable cut to rushes energy and come from its western neighbors. and it's not just oil banks to are also in the focus of this 6th and toughest round of sanctions imposed by the u. 4 rushes war on ukraine. stepping up, the pressure and russia was left under line, chose to european parliament each. the lawmakers who represent the east citizens to draw arg, her bank announcements, we call to day, we will propose to ban all russian oil from europe. this will be a complete import ban on all russian oil seaborne and pipeline crude and refined. we will make sure that we phase out russian oil in an orderly fashion. the plan is to face out oil buddy, end of 2020 to hungary and slovakia, which are very dependent on russian oil will be granted longer transition periods. besides,

the oil ban funded line also presented other sanctions in her 6th package on the internet. the european commissioner wants to take off spare bank rushes, largest bank from the swift financial transaction system. and the plan is also to target military officials in walked in the atrocities in mario pole. and in wood shop. and 3 russian media outlets will be banned from european air base for spreading misinformation. in addition to sputnik and russia to day, it is with the ban on energy, however, that the ear is hoping to hit the russian economy the hardest. but only facing out oil is far from enough for many lawmakers, damage. they want boulders step, finally, re her for oil even when it will, takes still 6 to 9 months or to implement it. i'm are also a waiting for a been on on gas because sir, what we are paying to the war machine of put in is mainly what we are paying for

russian. gus, the ears ban on russian oil could cause even higher price spikes for energy and fuel in europe. putting a burden on european citizens apprised the you has to pay to show solidarity with its neighbors, ukraine, after to many, your makers thing. we have to understand that $1.00 price to fight this bloody war will be on this oil and gas embargo in the end. yes. and we have to make sure this is socially, are compensated for those people, for those households who could not pay the higher price. dio, countries must still agree on the sanctions package before it enters into force from war. i'm very pleased to welcome daniella bart, so she is the executive director for europe and eurasia at the open societies. foundation, thanks much for taking the time to join us. let's start with the proposed sanctions

by the european commission, a complete import ban on russian oil phasing out. it's used by the end of 2022. and i still need to be agreed by e u countries before it goes into force. how likely are we to get a consensus? the question really is to what is 10 transition periods can be granted to you? member states, because some are more dependent on russian. all the live rates than others. hungry is one of them. select is another one. and one might think that henry could be tempted to, to brought the package because of its proximity to russia, which is nothing that would apply to the lakia, which is among those members of the european union that really has very early on and continuously delivered to ukraine. to fight russia. so i think the yahoo leanne the compromise and i do think that the european commission has for today's announcement very well in your records,

the german minutes of the economy said this has to happen. so i think the consensus is building up. but some members say have to get an extra long transition period because it's very ambitious to phase out oil within 6 and 12 months. and just to clarify, do you get a sense that state likes, lavaca, and hungry will be satisfied with longer and if offered a longer transition period. and is that something that other you states would be willing to offer? i think the you in general will be very keen to build a compromise because showing the vision to russia to the world basically would not be the right thing to do and it should be avoided at all costs. i think they will offer transition here at 1st, and if that's not, that would be some kind of compensation. but i believe that transition here is little already help because it's possible to replace oil. but all that you is very likely to suffer high oil prices. so the question is, how citizens,

how consumers actually deal with that situation is a very sensitive one. and one thing that the has to bear in mind is that the sanctions on russia are definitely right. but at the same time, the e u is going through is climate transition, which also puts pressure on energy prices. so it has to find an equitable and fair way to deal with both challenges at the same time. if not, public support will match the right to mention that this ban does appear likely to be a big burden on european citizens, european commission, president ursula, underlying warning that it won't be easy. where specifically will this hurt the most? well i guess the most symbolic and visible thing is fuel prices. so people who have to use that car for instance, to get to work in particular in rural areas, will feel this very clearly. and those prices, you know, they are kind of up on the wall, you can look at them every day and when the line,

there's immediately a sentiment, of course, that's something that's going on. the other thing is of course heating prices, and that is also very quickly felt by citizens. but you know, it's not only individual households as also the industry that has to reckon with rising energy prices and they high anyway. so all in all of this will be also an impression on the european economy, not only on the russian one. but at the moment, the political consensus still seems to leave with the package being presented by the european commission that it is west for europe to baddest prize, because it has to be made very clear to russia again that this war is unacceptable. and the brutalities of the war primes was left on the line mentioned that were today as well. it is very, very important to, to show russia over and over again, that europe is willing to pay a price itself. because so much is at stake in ukraine for europe as well. and on

that note, i'd like to take a step back and get a sense of how far reaching these sanctions would be. and how hard would they hit russia relative to previous packages? first of all, on oil, this is a next step. i mean it's really a new quality of sanctions because oil and gas are the most important. and for those of income for russia, i will try and replace europe as, as client by others. but that will be easy and that will be very quick because then also petition on the on market then comes the financial system. so another 3 banks are being taken off swift, one of them, their bank is the largest consumer bank in russia. so this will hit the economy, so the financial system, but also individuals pretty hard when they see that there is no longer functional.

so i think this is a new phase of escalation and sanction policy on the side. then there is an additional package of individual sanctions, very symbolically. the patrick of the russian orthodox church is the session for his support and encouragement of put in war and individuals who are in the military and who have been tracked down in ukraine. so actually have been identified as committing crime. so the message is very clear. the european union is doing everything also on that very individual basis to trace crimes and to hold those accountable. not only foods and, and is lisa, and also those who fight in ukraine and kill innocent people and who will crimes. and i think that is a very, very important message not only to boot in and the russian leadership, but also to russian citizens who seem to either ignore or still support this war

and the atrocities of the war. just as the news on sanctions has to be brought to the world audience and in a way that is possible, it's getting more difficult also to russians who may be still watching some west media. and one of the big questions has come out of russia's war on ukraine has been the ability of the west to react quickly enough. president joe biden saying this week that china's premier, she, jim ping, believes democracies will lose out to autocracies because they're slow to buy that need for consensus. a given that, what is your overall assessment of europe's reaction to the war in ukraine? you're prepared well, and i would say not only among the 27 countries, but also with the united states across the landing. this was mainly possible because the united states shared intelligence well before the outbreak of the war. and this was used to actually prepare the response. so we saw

a very different pace of reaction and also strength of reaction comparing the beginning of the war now to the annexation of crimea by russia in the year, 2014, and the beginning of fighting and east in your brain. and so that you sold out last strongly and i sided with ukraine very clearly. but of course consensus needs to be billed and billed again and right now with the development of sanction packages. we're now looking at the 6 package already. of course they get more costly for both sides and so consensus has to be fought for and has to be built. and then we'll have to be some compromise among the 2070 in the states. but for the time being, i think, put in will very probably be surprised by the european union's ability to act together and not only on sanctions but also so many countries have delivered on to

ukraine. the welcoming of ukrainian refugees is remarkable in the european union. and so there is a lot of support for ukraine, and this may actually surprised a little he would win this war in a much shorter time span. the stakes are hi daniela parts are executive director for europe and asia at the open society foundations. thanks so much for taking the time to break that down for us. thank you very much for having me. ah. the russian invasion has turned the lives of ordinary ukrainians upside down. united nations estimates that more than 5 and a half 1000000 people have been forced to flee the country and finding their footing abroad is especially difficult for those with family members requiring special care or medical attention vetoed on her to escape the war in

ukraine by fleeing to germany, now, her main worry is keeping her 10 month old son, david's a life he needs breathing equipment to stop his lungs collapsing. davina suffers from spinal muscular atrophy. a rare degenerative disease causing gradual loss of function. without treatment, babies with the condition usually die by the age of to when you that are your cold like her, i can't sleep at nights even when does he does the sleep hours aluminum. i keep checking on him. i pray to, god says that he wants stop breathing. why? and sometimes it seems like he is not breathing that the going. i think it's a genetic disease where you can simply loose your child in a moment. veto lift ukraine with the beats and her older son at young who was 7 just as the 1st shots were being fired. like you are the when i saw the fear in our

jumps eyes i am new, we had to flee back home and ukraine. vito was able to race $11000.00 euros a month for david's treatment through crowd funding. here in germany, volunteers including jojo and son, rena, help her to obtain the drugs and german health insurance covers what's needed now. it's offered in the longer term davida will need gene therapy, costing to 1000000 euros. it's not clear whether that will be covered when does ellen gene. so i just have to hope we can get the treatment for david or to get the day know that he would live young. i don't know whether he would be able to set up a walk, but i know he would live. having slept the war with

a children and coping with of its illness liter cannot be certain she will ever return to ukraine. but she remains resolute. your mom of jackson, i am firstly, the mother of 2 sons. looks annoyed to give young and i cannot be. we key fob with but a new medicine. now my and i have to stay strong. ah . across the united states, the reverberations for may lead to supreme court draft opinion continued to ring. it look set to end the constitutional right to abortion. in many conservative states, that would mean an immediate ban in place. as soon as the court hands down its official ruling and many others are planning to introduce tougher restrictions on access. as i'm abortion providers are reporting a surge in demand before the rolling as handed down. here is the president of planned parenthood speaking after the week. first of all,

abortion is still legal as much as they are continuing to restrict it state by state. it is still legal. the final opinion has not been issued by the court. you know, and so we are making sure that they understand, you know, what a lot of patients experience and have experienced over the last few years with these increasing number of restrictions to undermine ro is a lot of chaos. it's a lot of confusion and that is intentional that has been designed to shame providers to shame patients and to confuse them about whether or not they can actually get the care that they need. now, texas is one of those states which has made it all but impossible to get an abortion. and if roe v wade is overturned, as appears likely a law, they're already on the books would take effect to ban abortion. with anyone performing or attempting a termination facing up to life in prison. if successful, i'd like to bring in and nancy, i didn't have pena, she's the texas state director for policy and advocacy at the national the teen institute for reproductive justice. and dr. weiss dirani is an emergency medical

physician. thank you both so much for taking the time to speak today. nancy, i'd like to start with you your reaction 1st of all, to that leaked draft opinion. i mean, i think we can pretty much say even during this for, for such a long time, the week was a good punch. you know, it was a dark moment for folks who are doing this work, and that's not to say that, you know, we understand and we've been under a lot of restrictions that already exist, even though roby wait was legal. but it was still pretty impactful and resonated within our communities. and always as a doctor, you have to advise people who need help. what changes are you expecting if this ruling comes down as expected? yeah, absolutely. unfortunately in texas, we've had a preview or many preview of what's about to come for a lot of other states around the country. that's a heartbeat act bill that you mentioned that essentially bands abortions past 6 weeks. you know, a lot of people come to the emergency department and for

a handful of folks, i'm the 1st one to tell them that they're pregnant and a lot of cases. that's fun news. that's good news to celebrate her mood. but some patients will ask me, what options they have, and then our past 6 weeks, the unfortunate truth does, they might not have a lot of options in me simply, you know, even guiding them to resources. whether that's an o b, or other community resources could open myself up to litigation and being sued for up to $100000.00 in the fact that i even have to think about that when i should only be thinking about a patient's health is ridiculous. i want to ask you, what will this ruling mean for people training to give abortion? i mean doctors could also face life in prison if they disobey this law. can you provide the services that people need? well, that's a great question. look when we are in medical school and say you want to become an o b, you go to residency, you want to go to the most grueling of programs of programs that's going to give you hundreds and thousands of procedures. so what if you practice in

a state where abortions are banned, you're not going to get that experience. and then 11 day you have to perform an abortion as a life saving measure. or you work in a state where it's label and you have to perform and you may not be giving the best care to that patient. and so even our medical education training system is something that's going to be affected by this. and a lot of fun turns around us. an answer we touched on the fact that last year, texas pastor, restrictive 6 week abortion ban, i'm not for many to seek treatment out of state. now this could be a look at what's to come in many other places. can you tell us what the obstacles are facing? people who do have to travel to access abortion? i mean, i think portions already on extensive enough procedure, but i really want to know that a lot of people cannot travel for their abortion procedures. it's already a costly process. * it, you know, you know, traveling child cater, making sure that transportation is available, but we work in communities where folks who are undocumented can get across internal

immigration checkpoints. and so whatever health care that the state of texas offers is what people are subject to. so those conversations around traveling out of state when people deserve health care in their own cities is a lot more complicated than just that. thank. can you tell us a bit more specifically about how people of color are affected by these laws. we live in areas without the support of mass transit. so whenever we take into account abortion appointments, we have to take into account transportation, child care. often the conversations that we're having with people is do i go to my healthcare appointment, or do i pay for my utility bill? or do i go to my healthcare appointment and be in risk of being placed in debarkation proceedings and separate it from my family. and these are long conversations that we've been having and communities like this. even with robi, wait, present, writes or travel doesn't seem realistic. there, i'm always of the w h o says unsafe abortion is a leading cause of maternal deaths. he tells why it's so important to have access

to trained professionals. yeah, absolutely. you know, it's a saying that we've been saying a lot banning abortions will ban safe abortions, not unsafe abortions. and we've all heard these stories of patients, you know, being taken to extreme lanes and taking extra measures previous to roe the wade and ending up in my starting situations. you know, 11 point i'll make is we talk about abortion as a choice for a lot of i'd a patient a couple weeks ago that had pulmonary fibrosis for that patient. their lungs for a week. they were pregnant for them being pregnant was in life threatening condition. and the fact that in some states that might be banned under this. and the fact that that might be harmful to that patient is unthinkable to me as a medical provider. and as i mentioned, you need a lot of training to be able to perform safe abortions. the fact that we might have some physicians and some providers that might not get that training because of this because they won't see those patients and then won't be quite to take care of those

patients when they see them in the future. is once again unthinkable. and if you or your colleagues on treated patients who have thought out illegal unsafe abortions, yes, i'm an emergency medicine provider. what i do is if a patient would like to go down that route, i refer them to and be whether that's in our hospital or out in the community. as i mentioned, it's something that's become more difficult because providers are scared that they are going to get sued by essentially anyone as that's how that texas bills are in. and if this decision and rolling comes down, we are expecting abortions to be completely ban. so it can be even more difficult to get them those resources in a timely manner in a manner that safe for them an answer from your experience living and working in texas. what do you think the biggest concerns should be for people in the rest of the country as we await the final rolling on this? i mean, i think people need to understand that what happened was

a draft lee and not something official. often times when things like this happened, it creates a chilling effect in our communities where people may not get the care that they need, but people can absolutely still get that care. and so come through and whenever we receive this official decision, of course things are going to get a lot more complicated. and these are conversations that we're having with in our community, right. the point of the, the point of us before is not only to criminalize a very safe and basic medical procedure, but it's also to create that showing up back and make us afraid to do this work. and that's not something that's going to stop. right. we are the head of plan parent, planned parenthood. they're saying the abortion is still legal. i'm telling people, essentially not to cancel their appointments. have you seen that in your own community already that this has that has had that chilling effect. you know, every single time we see things like this happen, you know, instead of the state intervening and offering clarification, it's up to us to provide that education,

that information and those resources. so i have been getting a lot of questions about what this means. what this entails is abortion legal or not? can i see an abortion procedure right now? and we often have these conversations, community members in both english and spanish, to fill in the gaps that the state often causes. whenever things like this happen, i'm afraid that's all we have for time today, but i want to thank you both so much for coming onto the show and sharing your insights with us. and since he cut in his penny of the texas state director for policy and advocacy at the national latina institute for reproductive justice and always to ronnie, a emergency medical physician, thank you both so much for your time. that was the day as i read the conversation does continue online. you can find us on twitter at g tube. eunice. i'm clare richardson in berlin from the team for the scenes. thank you so much for joining us. ah ah,

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