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tv   Guardians of Truth  Deutsche Welle  May 7, 2022 1:02pm-2:00pm CEST

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ah, we're all set to go beyond the obvious well, as we take on the world, 8 hours, i do all this. yeah. we're all about the stories that matter to you. whatever it takes. 5 police my follow up with you. we are, your is actually on fire made for mines. ah, william had a bank on it, got isabella's will i? and was how, you know, if i had known that the boat would be that small, i never would have gone on the train. i would not have put myself and my parents in that danger. little god, it's a theme of the little fact. even leave who love on center. they've had that one the
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liberty to give them. i had a serious problems on a personal level, and i was unable to live there. but in my to go to that you want to know their story info, migrants clarified and reliable information for my grants. ah, ah, ah, my name is john den duct. i've been looking as a journalist who loves 40 years now, and i have paid almost every price of being a journalist in a country like to a key. i was the threatened, i was jail, i was attacked and i was exiled indians. and i've been leaving next hour for the last 5 years now. but then on
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a more people like me out there, and i will be meeting them to see how they cope with the situation with cindy brown in new mexico. before i die, every day they want to kill me and they try many times. they killed some of my sources just because they quit me. she's been digging the country soil to find out the truth with
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hello annabel. hi. good to you. how are you doing? fine, how are you? yeah, not bad. oh, we had a small trouble with security because i have to inform the german authorities about my trips and for security reasons. so i did, and they said they have to check if there is a kind of agreement for the exchange of criminals like me. and if my name is on the interpol list for red warren, so they can take mean to custody. yeah, that's why they said they couldn't guarantee my security. so you know, all those things. and also i
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was just saying how our work work became dear when you go to board. thank god to why exactly? that's exactly what we want to talk to you about. hm . and i will have none. this is the very importance journalists who put a light on the drug trafficking issues in mexico, not only the drug cartels, but also she found documents and enlightened the relationship between the officials and these ref, cartels. so it's important and of course, at the same time it's dangerous and that's why she had to leave for the country.
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now she's been living in exile where she's safe. but she keeps travelling to mexico to researchers story my own country gee, is a dangerous country for jernace, but at least they're only putting journeys in jail. but it's un, comparable with mexico. instead of putting them in jail, they just simply kill them. to mexico is the most dangerous country in the world for jones.
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and i finally with nice to meet you ma'am. yeah. glad to hear you. we're the small unbelievable. it's great to have, you know, there was a key gate or even go to the country. i tell you it's who's i tell me firing county difficult the use of the the, the you read on the news that and just to john nice, we're more than just in these days when you were here. good. this is how this all
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the time my family has been calling me. if you see the news everyone can still believe everywhere through school. your skill now and then better. finally came out. i thought of it is really is really difficult because the sub violent and on saving next have gotten general data when winding journalist is more there, everyone's at eyes because countries like this is not because you are a john. anyway. good good could be you. could you be anyone else? yeah, it's not because your journal that, that point. i had a lot to talk to you. when i got to mexico, i have to be with bobby garza and i. e. e. e. e. god do the help because i got to be sick. most of the time, the worst people in my country ah,
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a life, one of the most difficult things with unable is filming, hurrying the facials. because if you show it openly, you make put people in danger. so we wanted annabel to take us with her and explain how she works. mm. oh. in mexico this corruption is everywhere. ah
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ah, i have to prove that one official has samarnie has properties has a life that doesn't correspond with this sy, larry, with dead declaration of back says, you know, all the things i have to got there. they photographs confirms that jazz the document of the property correspond to the characteristics of their house. i couldn't stop on to now because every time that i discovered new things, i have new questions. how when, who is involved? journalist is, is not to know already. everything is made you questions and tried to search
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answers to these questions. no others, which is sounds sir. ah ah, we decided to meet in collateral because this is a symbolic place for a journalist who is working on mafia and this city has a huge mafia. history, of course, and it was really interesting smelling. the stories are old. i like to write. i should prefer to not write about these stories because our brain painful. but in mexico, the impunity is is terrible. i mean,
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then 90 but 96 percent of all the crimes in mexico. all the crimes is small ones. big, big ones. i impugn. there's not justice. sometimes they only justice that one big team can get a see that too foolish. yeah. i remember that i did my 1st research about drugs. when i was just 23. i these carver, i wire of people that used to sell drugs in corners in aberdeen. danders place in mexico city called the people that not these dads report was my 1st a columns in there in the newspaper. and then
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something terrible happened in my life. my father was hidden up a murder in the summer of 2000. i was already a journalist, he was kidnapped by more than just for money. he was a medium class businessman and for us on to now was impossible to get justice and that trench forever. my point of view of life. my point of view of justice and my point of view of my says, what is my role as, as journalist? so i really, since 2000 i really just were focus on organized crime, curb shown and impunity non
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when you see those in your news in papers, how do you feel? i'm glad that i still be alive to be able to push the stories because i think that people the search to know super nice to know what is happening. they're going outside mexico city with other hernandez was too dangerous for us. but still, we want to understand the conditions under which she has been working. and that's why we went to the state of carol, where she researched her most important story. as symbolic place to search for
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the relationship between now caused the government to understand the difficulties, the risks, the fears of the people. and we wanted to feel that this is my 1st time in mexico. and debt is everywhere. from the headlines of to
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papers to the paintings on the walls. i realize in the day of that that this is the way they cope with the feeling of death. you can see that's the respect that people they want to remember them to keep the memories alive. and the day of that is kind of the climb mix of this information. oh there. celebrating with music with eating and comparing our culture, which i'm just warning about to death. just crying. it's a good way of cope with, with the bit. otherwise you are always in pain. with boy beer to day on the day of the dead, we always come to the cemetery. it's the same every year and i like the era. we lay
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powers for the deceased and dig into the soil to loosen it up. in the other motor both but a, you know, my father is here as i don't know for in the place he, i guess with me. but there was no grave for my son christiano. no letter dawn, there were no natural sal was, there is no where i can go and nothing although no where i can set up an altar for him or place across it. he has his stomach, all of but this is what its like for all of us. parents, mother yesterday said boys, none of us really believed that our children are dead game with those equal has been wearable. ah,
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on september of 2014, for a she keeps disappear in mexico. and i tried to not she, i tried to i, i don't care. okay. that happened there. so they are there john alleys. there are other people, some one have to take care about a what i start to see does the gar ms. type. the say really ridiculous. it bought this, he said, by the way it happened on i started to see some contradictions about the witness on my side to investigate at the different than a with
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this sadness of days. son was everywhere. so his pictures were everywhere and they've been living with this pain. and they all they need is a grave to visit and they don't have it. and i wonder if they had to help still have the real hope that one day they can help him again. or they are just searching for the truth. mm. i hit on moving a cover and piece of it on you begin to see the injustices. let's see what we know is that the police in the military took our children, casey,
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but there were so many things that the state won't tell us if you took in. they can't say, my child is tell them that he's been murdered. to me, my child is still alive because they took him alive out there. but i mean with a real book, i said to the authorities here, but when you took my child, he was alive. you didn't take him in pieces. so i want him back just as he was, and bit of a kit or me. and if you say that my son is no longer alive and that he's dead him, then i want his whole body, not just pieces of hamilton and throw them a bit us off. ah, ah .
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i discovered that they stood as were attacked and disappeared by the federal police and army. because the issue is that apparently this to thence took to process that were charging by hairline. because in golardo is one of the places that produce harrowing in mexico didn't know that the joke was there. and apparently the chief of their coon, a group called to the general of their 27 battalion and called to the chief of the federal police. as asked them. i won my joke, spark, i don't care why you have to do oh, a little under. even though annabel hernandez that supported our cause, florida. glenn boy. yes. and she raised her voice for russia. almost play. say her
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research. i want you to various officials. so she began to speak out about it and that helped us. but i'm also a little bonus. i uradano with him do you realize how important investigative journalism is because you're joining the family to search this the new for some and it's not only him what's 40 to others,
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but then thousands of others and unable hernandez. she's in the lack of functioning just the system in some countries like mexico turkey, the journey is had to wear the costume of his prosecutor. i'm afraid and behave like public's prosecutors fighting for justice searching for truth in the name of public. oh oh
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ah will good afternoon please come in. this is less a sport every when a star with and disconnect you know 1st of all i want to thank you for agreeing to talk to me or i'd ref camille. and i thank you very much for your trust. so confused, sir. this will be an off the record interview when i see the some of the recording job. now i do not know you,
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nor will i publish your names. her and i strongly suggest that you tell no one absolutely no one's best about it. you spoke to macy kick anaya saw them and they, they can look on one of the water stinger things. just let the criminals talk to me. oh, it's already in the crap. they himes george. not do that. don't in general do a journalist because they draw more on me to tell me the truth about their stories. louis she was upon kim, is that i was local. she came with the famous drug bottles in new york. just a minute. think of it. when was that roughly vista, mon, those 2007 city was wrong. and it was in a house, an apartment on a ranch in what context did this take place?
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just wanted to let me know when it was a meeting with his associates or from full. that's where i saw her a quote on some of them. just want to talk about nice things about them. but most of them really gone says their crimes. i think sometimes that they try to clean themselves. maybe they feel so geared b yes. yes. you're the priest. i know. yeah. interesting feeling this interesting. so you are getting a little emotion thanks to this. yeah. yeah. so maybe the want to when you in their site. no, they cannot that they can not because i want to destroy them. and i don't pretend to to be friendly. yeah. lou fall under.
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i imagine yourself in a hotel room with a criminal and putting your life in your loved ones at risk, just to reveal the truth. mm. that's what she's been doing for the last 20 years now. such extremely dangerous. whoops. force her to leave her country room. or then you press you then funny because they don't start. she's government on 2006 and he, supposedly he declare this song call a war against xerox in mexico. and he said, i will call all the car does i will liberate mexico. mm. mm.
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so but i discovered is that the brass event and the one the ship of police very close to him. general garcia, luna, red. they wasn't fighting against a guard. those they decide to protect wild card, to listen a lock out there and use their arm either for their or police and all the power of the state against that other guard. and of course, the other guard, those get very angry and they start to why i gave the government and the law. and i was able to document to discover these to document how that that wire that's was real because was a wire between the cart us where create a lot of a more. there's many people use a peer and and as dr. dog pullman and focus, hey, he is not
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a war against drugs. the government is in love. and i, my boys was the only one because the people was very scared. the journalist didn't want to talk about that. and on 2010, i was able to publish all my research so that became bay danders for the government. and for this career that a policeman. so they want to kill me and they try many times. they kill some of my sources. they disappeared some of some of my sources. they put in yell some of my sources just because they took with me ah, thinking about your mother in loved ones. would you think that maybe i shouldn't publish this form because it's so dangerous for them?
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yeah, almost every time. yeah. that's the most difficult, but you can be brave for yourself with food and then during the others is so much responsible that's. that's why i have to let the magic joke. that is, that is why i had to let my he got the one day 11 gun man arrived to my house. my bodyguards square outside.
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they took the control of all the area these, these 11 gun man. what they took to my body gars away. my house even has a number. ok. so they and treat to the house of one neighbor. they put the guns in the head and they as way is their house of an a bell hernandez and my e m. my neighbors have to said, is, is, is there, i wasn't there. i glass sunday, ah, facing with a gun can change your life. i know this feeling because i faced with this come me. 2 things can happen. one you gave
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up and you don't want to face with it again. second thing is you understand the result of it and you never scared again. so i guess she's the 2nd type. what happened and i just fell playing soccer. cell phone is does up. so you learning the song by ear or looking at the notes, i always look at the notes, let's say you wrote it down, that's as good as
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a piece of paper with notes. i wrote them down. remember what i said, oh yeah, great. mm hm. my son was just one year and wants quite all these nightmares. so he started with neighborhood while the guy, before he started to walk by himself, i love him, but i move breezy. poly for my kids. i tried to build a new life for them. lamentable to levy. i'm up at home in i think the best part for me to try to reveal my part of my life here is the opportunity to my son to learn,
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to be happy. and i think i feel this obligation to help him to learn to we happy because like he's not just suffering the learning. yes. yes, we're and click on them. so click on it. i don't want to be a victim. i also want to learn to be happy is sometimes hard with so when you go to mexico, don't to few kids or don't know, i don't,
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you can, you can not have these feeling because you are not able to go like darky. but every time that i took that airplane, i asked for myself, i'm doing what i am doing. be taking a risky yes. and you are saying good bye to your son. every every time that i depart, i left to my partner. all the documents of my son, the passport, you know, the bird, sir, dfi gate. all the things because in these way he can protect him, he can move him. i mean, every time i say the good bye to my son and like you never see him again
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because he's a possibility. well, i mean, i nice, not just some possibility for me. it sucks up with surprise. he's happy now that you, mexico, i, i know, i understand that this seems the tracy, but people are lying every day in mexico because this corruption and these characters. so it is a rarity with why you are going to because for me, my country still be my home is still my home is i love my country. i love the people that live there. i. every time that i do, i need to have you to our big team. i feel that i have to do something else. so what is it more important than being a mother from
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dentist? ah, i don't see any mother who is brave enough to say this. this sentence shows us all dedicated those people are, are they work? and how passionate about the professional? mm. mm. i think it was a gland rambles. this is just kidding for the 43 students from i would see not by the yahoo disappears. oh yeah, you'll see now, but he is will not
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a permanent protest camera that is occupied 24 hours a day may be say, december 26th, 2014, several organizations decided to set up this protest directly across from the attorney general's office. set up a report that little get dewoolen, our goal is to support the parents. and we also want to see justice in them, and we want these abuses to start that was because we don't want any more young people to simply just the year mazda somebody's yawn is in western escal than thought. most of the rough credit we want the truth and we want just shy, but we want to know what happened. we want that just like to be found and called the hound to bob and we want them to be imprisoned. just think. okay. yeah.
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in mexico have exceed many cases like this for me, but really incredible ease that be great at these. don't get tired of fighting. he said, didn't need any of these spines, even though i bayport, they strong. they boy says, asking for justice until now made bit deeper. i looking to load po or hear bang
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this over there. bang another order on why for people here? is that another cross? look what for around here is what i got there is here 3. they killed 3 people here at the hard to believe every corner he's pointing out. so one is dead. every, all that rules was the crime. scene. mafia controlling the rules for direct trafficking. stories from relatives who disappeared alt all around. but almost normally,
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cases that were sold mario has been searching for his brother for the las lane use his me a man may or may not. the last, this is my brother tomasetti clinical years. he was kidnapped on july 5th 2012 that year. and we took off about his he and we haven't seen him since he had a man and this is better luck. my sister magna had prepared food that day and she was expecting a man on a year while ago. but my brother never showed up known as he must. we didn't know he'd been kidnapped until that nice. that when we received a phone call, demanding 300000 vessels and exchange for his life, the lobby that in yet a man we started negotiating with them. the summer and we told them that we didn't have the money, but we have car association houses, building a bar and in was cargo cinemas. garza, they didn't loss, but all they wanted was money. oh, yes, gideon. in the, near 3 days later, we had the money together, but they did not return our brother to us a sudden. no,
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no, no, they sat on them yet. a man ah, mario has been searching for his brother in the surrounding hills. ah, it must be such a desperate thing to do and he's been doing it with just with a hammer and a stick. and he is just thinking the soil mexico trying to find his brother. ah miss. then there you, nathan, and they were a person lies buried by the rod sinks into the ground easily. i kick us like here
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it goes down deep, which indicates that the earth is luisel, huff he is, has he come one of this is how we search for our missing relative is healed by trying to locate that intent, smell issue, lot down flat. it will not be so not really the fit in don't and human remains smell different from those of an animal i breeze. he visited, the smell is so strong that at 1st it's overwhelming. all it stays and your know that oddly, i've been, we couldn't stand it at virgil. sometimes we could already smell the dead from afar off the others. the smell is carried on the air long before you see anything. but an a thought of now we're happy to smell that smell suck. i'd used to be painful, but now we are glad when we come across it, which will dine, you oh, you know salad and got that up.
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ah ah. and if you see 2 o 3 o glebova smelling that, but then i realized that this is exactly what hon. hernandez has been doing. she's been digging the country's soil to find out the truth and her stickers, her pen. ah, well, i'm glad with mamma. i
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said bryce. yep. and its own company. oh yeah, yeah. this is a colleague from turkey. he doesn't speak spanish. his name is john. he's also a journalist who's faced persecution like me just one. but he spent time in jail southern which at the ymca i've gotta get when you're, when i say that looks well like you worry ill with you so much. let me, let me take one that you can go with them. yeah, get janice mother will also be able to receive it and they put us on yours. 1. 1 is that your mother's birthday? oh, friday is the brooklyn this coming friday. yeah. but they can't visit her because
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he's not able to travel to turkey. otherwise he would get arrested and whether it is sad to yep, he lives as a refugee in berlin. this will be better for heather emberly. she'll be through 8th 3. come on in less, less she one of them. but how long do haven't seen before years. i can see that he hasn't seen her for for years. oh, how horrible thing, but a camel say. i heard you talk to each other to communicate. yeah. yeah, we can talk on full seller but only on the phone. yes. i'll she is, you know, somebody frozen maria. okay. hello. hello. hello. sorry she's 80 to natalie. oh, i made a big mistake. and ppo on them ne jamal unit in the mail pictures. she just wanted
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to see. ha ha. okay. i and i ran so yeah. and job she certainly like using that she thing that we hope to meet in turkey. wow. yeah. well, i wanted to get your dismiss, though i'm one. okay, she's good. so she will be hosting you. yeah. okay. uh huh. though i'm, i'm seeing a joke of yours when i saw a need him, yes. i know how much it i do by what i gave give when give you the zip. where said pablo so but well he said she said that the grade that she can, you can do this our telling her that we can do it based, but my mother don't want to use anymore is so fun. no, i mean look in the middle. so i know i don't like to use
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a cell phone because then knows how to please call me and tell me things about you and i get scared and nervous. i can't come up that come up today. i'm going to get the run my get get, get my stick honestly sets of course, thresh, she, she just said that as she don't want to have a cell phone. because sometimes she receive a phone calls. people threaten her. although saying that they can that me with my sister. so she read your books to let me see what us see. how does she feel about this? is the 2nd desk on the left miss, even us
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a steam with premier political. my 1st thought is to worry that because i know it will cause you trouble. yes. ok. but then i think that you're a very brave woman see on a well, does she say to stop? don't do any more. it's dangerous. does she say that every one does the sick, a segue? now? his math, but he don't game or the thing? no, no, no, no, no, cookie. the only thing i ask is that you take care of your kid. you get to see it was not the in, in like a better is that your kids have nothing to do with this and that you take good care of wasn't but what is not valued. and i hope he don't go out on the street much. so they won't take you by surprise. thus she wants a grant, she'll do all to be a journalist getting bigger study. i could, doesn't get this, what i'm video, this, this'll but look new one other one is enough in the family.
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she's still kind of lucky that she can go back to her country. she can hug her mother. she's still, you know, going back to her home and at least enjoy some of the moments or her country which is impossible for me. i think i could be able to survive without going down. i
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decide to go back and i can do it for me. will be like, like be bed is i'm not able to go to see, to my mother, door to, to my sister is to, to do the concert i love. so i have to be very, very difficult. do you have any hopes that one day you can come back and leave and mix glue in a free as a free person? i will absolutely will. but 1st i have to work more to clean the house. i want to go back to our clea house. no, i don't want to go back to a dear to house. i see this country now. i want to,
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i have to clean. i have to take the garage outside. ah, ah, [000:00:00;00] ah .
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my agent, they are taking your roots to another place. so without your own soil, without your own some, you can not be shoe, if you will survive. ah, where will you go? it could be the best place in. it's not your soil dislike. i guess every exam one school back one day where the rules are. mm
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ruled by white supremacy founded over 150 years ago. it's repeatedly died out, but always been resurrected. the ku klux klan starts may 11th on d. w. ah, i am the rain forest. i watched them grow up here. they had left, but they always come back. yes, they always come. for my trees, there would my plans, their medicines. for my beauty, their escape. ah, i've always been there, and i have been more than generous sometimes if i gave it all.
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no god for ever. but humans are so smart, so smart, such big brains and opposable thumbs. they know how to make things amazing things. now, why would they need an old forest like me, any jungle? trees? well, they do breathe air and i make air f, they song shoes. so smart bill, figure it out. she humans making air. that'll be
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