[000:00:00;00] ah, ah ah, this is it renews life from berlin, no change a message of defiance from vladimir putin vowing to press on with the war in ukraine. the russian leader uses the annual victory day parade in moscow to justify the invasion, saying he's defending the mother lad, and reels against nito. plus, fighting back the black sea port bearing the brunt of rushes fresh offensive. the

governor tells us people are resisting despite widespread destruction and strengthening ties that used to most powerful leaders joint forces. here in berlin, newly reelected french president, emanuel mack home makes a state visit to germany, dominated by the war in ukraine. ah, a very warm welcome on layla her walk and we want to take you live now here to berlin, where newly elected french president m, and my call is meeting with chance. they're all left shots. let's take a look. here are a my on my co has sir arrived in berlin for the 1st foreign visit of his new term. he's coming from strasburg, where he attended an e conference on the future of europe. president,

my call are welcomed by german chancellor, all of shorts with military or honors, as we're about to see at the federal a chancel read. the 2 leaders are expected to were holder talks with the focus on the war in ukraine. and then mikaela, carson, archie, political editor, it is a at the chancellor. we mckayla, can you tell us a little bit more about the military honors? there are about a to kick off or where you are. yes. the g to take place behind me, a man or michael we just saw his car passed by actually saw a to saw the economic advisor of the german chancellor ross across the scene here. so an amount of my call very much being on time. although having been rather late to come out of that conference about the future of europe, and that's certainly something that the 2 leaders will be talking about as well in relation to ukraine, which would like to be within the european union rather sooner than later with him

on my call having put a damper on those hope saying it could take years or decades. and i would expect those 2 leaders to talk about that. and also map out how they can put something into practice that oman omar call suggested to day. his country holds the e u presidency that there could be a kind of association area were former members of the you name the written after the breaks it. but also potential future members like ukraine, like the balkans could be more closely linked economically and politically based on values. now as you're reporting, we're watching live pictures from outside the chancery where a newly reelected french president, a man who am i call. and chancellor olaf schultz are standing at waiting for the a military honors to get underway.

ah, mikaela ukraine, obviously top of mine. ah. as the military honors are under way michela ukraine. of course this comes at a very pivotal time for these 2 leaders where they're going to try and find a common ground in terms of how to deal with the war in ukraine. what can we expect from this meeting? well, they certainly will be talking about more details on energy security i. c e. u is putting together that 6 sanctions package against russia with all sides expected to

pledge ship to becoming energy independent, to stopping the influx of oil with 2 exceptions in the u. most prominently, of course hungary. and we also expect them to talk about security in relation to the saw hel area. where in molly, the friendship already said that they would withdraw and the germans will also leave the mission. that as molly is seeing an influx of mercenaries from the russian side, so lot of do you strategic issues, all links to russia to be talked about and how to stay europe more closely together amongst this outside of prussia area. but i can also tell you, it speaks of a lot of routine between these 2 leaders that are between these military honors. and a mom are called is having arrived and the press conference scheduled in just over half an hour's time. that doesn't leave much time for detailed talking, and this is

a well oiled european machine. it ends in between germany and fonts, although they did on always on the same side when it comes to details. the financing of the you for instance. but with the issue of euro bonds, of course, still hanging over these 2 nations and how they want to economically define its solidarity in the near future. but for now it's all about that crisis management. and if anything that is strengthened and not just the franco german bond, but the whole feeling of the you standing together, also in economic tons and when it comes to sanctions. that a very painful indeed also for europe's the use largest economy, namely germany. and for viewers just a, joining us, a very warm welcome. you're watching live pictures from outside the chancery where a military honors are being conducted, welcoming, newly reelected french presence. a minor on my call is of course,

the german chancellor, olaf, a schultz. and i think they're making their way there for a photo op obviously, i mean, you've been saying it mikaela, you know, crisis management is really what is going to be front and center for these are 2 a leaders. do they see i to i, when it comes to how to deal with russia, how to deal with the war in ukraine? they do actually, and they both agree that there needs to be a very strong signal, but they both have their fill is he'll willing to russia, and that is a germany, vicky with the energy dependence. what would i sold? spoke to day a before german trade union saying it's, it won't help anybody if germany is weekend if we become weaker through our own sanctions. also france, which is much more faucet on nuclear energy that is currently being phased out in germany. and

a lot of that nuclear fuel is also coming from russia. so together they need to work out ways how to reduce that dependence. that also how to redefine the european union. and that of we expect to see backing certainly from the german side for european commission president was off on the line who more than hinted at that she would want to re open the e u treaties, which is a very, very tricky issue within the you. but this moment of pressure and crisis could well be a moment of re definition of what the you wants to be now and in the future that mckayla casner reporting. they're outside the chancellor. thank you so much for now. there are 2 leaders. i just finished inspecting there at the military honors, as is customary. i want to bring you back with me here to the studio. and with me here in the studio is our political correspondent,

simon young. to talk more about what is a customary traditional 1st visit for any elected friendship. president, 1st stop. well, 1st brussels or stroudsburg in this case, but then obviously berlin absolutely. and as we kelly was saying, it sounds that all important message in the heart of europe, the franco, german engine, as we've often described in the past, still strongly to lead is saying, macros coming just the day after he's been inaugurated re inaugurated as french president and all our shows to the same pretty much when he became chance to just the end of last year. so you know that that's, that's the important picture. they want that on the front pages of the, the newspapers in paris and berlin tomorrow. but of course, as we've also already touched on, you know, there are, there are slight differences, perhaps in what the 2 leaders might want to do. what emphasis they might want to

put that they want to send the message. they're supporting ukraine. exactly. how are they doing that? for instance, as we've seen, our schoultz has been under fire for weeks over, you know, apparently dragging his feet a little bit at least to some have seen it on the question of military support or hardware for the ukrainians. and perhaps i could imagine a manual micro will be looking for a way that he can sort of perhaps draw a lot of shots out even more. the german chancellor last night made a t v address to the nation in which he said it's important. it will be important to continue helping ukraine and helping supply well, heavy equipment is he puts it, does he really want to go all the way with heavy weaponry? you know, that's been really the heart of that debate. and as michelle mentioned earlier, show speaking earlier today said, well, you know, putting the leaves us no choice. we have to give the make sure that and supplies

continue to go in. but will it be exactly what the ukrainians are looking for? um, you know, i don't know whether there might be a hint of as in the press conference that will be coming up in a short time. it's interesting, of course, this, this contrast and personalities. you've got a very visibly confident, reelected a french president and chancellor schultz who has come under heavy criticism not just abroad, but also at home. i mean, they just suffered a significant defeat. well, that's right. there was and there was a regional election on sunday in the northern state of slaves because down there and you know, it's a regional thing so you can always look for other factors. but certainly a massive drop in support for. ola schultz is part of the social democrats looks like at least in part, a sort of a bit of an adverse reaction to perhaps what's going on at the national level. a little bit of leadership lead a less this, perhaps in the burling government,

at least as some people have seen it. and you know, poor communication. i think it is a reasonable charge against a lot of shows. he hasn't made his positions as clear for, for instance, even as, as his own coalition partners. the foreign minister and i, in the back of the green party for instance, has been, you know, has been out front and center. and of course, traveling the world that's part of a job, but making it a lot clearer where she stands and where she wants to put the emphasis. so a real contrast, of course, with the manual macros, a master of communication skills and p r. and he's bringing over with ideas at the moment about how to reform europe. we're talking today about his plans for a, a. what did he call it? a political union, encompassing even more countries than the year. because he says, well, you know, ukraine, georgia mold over these countries on the periphery. they won't be able to enter the

any time saying we have to realize that they decades difficult to get arrangements for. and of course, there's a sensitivity is the roger does have a, a sort of unit, a union of values all around europe. and that's a big idea and ideas for reforming the, you as well. he's got them and all are short. so i have to say looks a little bit like the man playing catch up out of these 2. let me let me counter that with obviously, you know, mr. mccomb brimming with fish and very polished, if he's going to be able to realize those ideas, of course that remains to be seen. but could, for instance, the chancellor be a moderating force on, on the, on the president french president, maybe he needs that. well, i guess you need a bit of both, you need everything. i mean this talk of it within the european context as talk of them returning. perhaps after years of, of crisis management. and when they've sort of done things, ad hawken's got coalitions together to deal with individual problems,

perhaps returning to more of what it's supposed to be. the more orderly process with the commission making proposals and the, the council, the different countries working through it in an orderly way and passing resolutions and legislation. and maybe that's a sort of approach that suits olaf shoulds more. i think germany has been the sort of engine of status quo within europe for quite a long time and wrangle a miracle shots and probably like to stay with that. but perhaps everyone acknowledges, at least on the rhetorical level, lead a bit more ambition. we need to go a little bit deeper, deepen the, the links between the european countries give them a little bit more power to do, to work together. and to, for instance, move together on foreign policy on health policy. some of the key things that people are dealing with at the moment, of course, after the pandemic as well, people have come to realize how much they need to work together on a very practical level, as well as on the big ideas. and simon, as you're speaking,

i'm keeping half an eye on the screen because we are of course, waiting for the newly friendship, the newly re elect, a french present image on my car, and german chancellor, all of shorts, to come out imminently, address the press. and there is going to be plenty of questions, obviously today, a very momentous day in russia. we've witnessed may, 9th, the victory day parade. and that highly anticipated speech by president vladimir putin, which shall, well, it didn't deliver in terms of all the dire warnings from an analyst, but still it was not reassuring. well, it was, it was, but both for both things. i think of course, what we see with vladimir putin is a man, he's a parading his miss isles in front of his generals in the center of his capitol. it's an image from, you know, the cold war era and not something that we really want to see today because it's

true that the, the russians do do this every year. but normally we think of it as a sort of historical pageant this year. of course, that parade comes with a much more threatening undertone. having said that, as you alluded to, writing we're putting did not announce an all out war. he did not announce that he was calling up conscripts, m e a that he was going to escalate his war. and what we appear to be seeing on the ground, as we've heard from correspondence, is a sort of consolidation effort by the russians to sort of a least secure the gains that they've got in the east, in the south of ukraine. and not to ramp it up. so of course, that fact will be registering, i think positively are here in berlin and in other european capitals. because what it suggests is, you know, there's a chance for, you know, positive development, even if this war is going to drag on for months, more as it is. i love shots as well as predicted. and we're showing you live

pictures now or of that room there at the chancery where we're waiting for the to leaders or to come out to chance are all actual and a menu. well, my call it will happen. i'm told eminently there's a little sound check. there we go. so it is going to happen any moment. right now. you know, how big a test is this moment in history for the bilateral relationship that the franco german relationship? well, i think, you know, if there were any signs of a list or ora, you know, some kind of warble on the big picture, then i think that would be a big problem. but i don't see that as me sailor said, you know, they, they're not going to spend terribly long. it would seem just checking in with each other. face to face a t leaders pretty much know what, what message they want to or they want to present publicly. so i think, you know, we're going to hear them say, you know,

a donation between the allies within the european union, within nato, is absolutely essential. and also as a short said, his sort of his sort of principles yesterday when he spoke to the nation on t v. he said, you know, we wanna make sure that we maintain our own defensive capabilities defending nato territory. of course, absolutely. key position. they don't want to drag nato into any war unnecessarily. and of course, he also said, well, interestingly, we don't want to do anything that harms us more than it, holmes russia. so this is a clear reference to the sanctions regime. there is some delicate decisions on the question of energy in particular, oil and gas, and i think there too, we may see a man well mccall, looking for a gentle of chintz. he to nudge germany towards that full embargo or tightening the embargo and tightening. the refusal of, of russian energy sources,

which will be so important to reducing the state coffers of the kremlin and reducing their ability ultimately to prosecute the war. and of course mr. shorts is party the s p d of course in a very, very delicate position because they've had to do a lot of kind of so searching in terms of their relationship with russia and russian leadership. and we're still seeing that being played out. well, i think we are, i think we are, there are risks in, in that party. and of course we often talk to the past about a sort of pacifist shriek in german society and among german politicians generally . and perhaps we've often thought that that was mainly located in the green party. but what we seen in under this new government, the last few months, the greens are finding it much easier to say. no, we have a clear line. want to do is stop vladimir putin and, you know, stand up for the freedom of ukraine and the freedom of europe. and that means if

necessary, will put in military assistance. the s p. d, the social democrats have had much longer debates, much more difficult, a much more difficult history if you are they not nimble? like the greens are. i think you have to remember that germany's oldest political party and they have different currents within them, which have much more standing. and you can't just sort of ride roughshod over it, which is a little bit what the green leadership has to be said. all doing. there are grumbling voices in the grass roots there too. but of course, the grains a little bit less standing in government, at least in terms of their traditions. the s p d, a party of really brands us quality can so on that that was a policy of, of dialogue with russia. ultimately dialogue with the soviet union is credited after all for being part of the way out ultimately of the cold war. and so,

you know, you expect people to abandon that as a slogan in german freedom shaft, an owner of often create peace without weapons. and you know, that's why this debate about should we send weapons into a war zone. it just seems all wrong to so many people who listen to those debates still have in the back of their minds. the debates from the 970 is in the 1980s. but of course we are living in a different time. and perhaps, sir, you know, well, olaf shots is tip toeing as you suggest, you know, between different voices in, within his own party. so we, we are definitely saying that this country, or at least the leadership making a course correction. and some people may think it's not going fast enough, but in your view, i mean it, it is my mental. it definitely is. i mean, early shots, of course, talked about at a pocket change in germany's position in the, the geo strategic questions facing the european union. we've seen this vast

increase in the military budget, 100000000000 euros being put in there, which will make germany one of the sort of highest spending military countries in the world after the u. s. and china. and they're also obviously coming up to the nato 2 percent goal of, of gdp, military spending. in other words, massively increasing. that'll be that will take time to filter through. but because it will, you know, you can't do this overnight. you can't do this probably in time. indeed for the war in ukraine. let's hope that it's, it's finished. we'll hope before that. but it, in years to come in, crises to come, god forbid germany's military role. i think inevitably will be much, much clearer. and the questions, therefore, for any government will be that much more difficult. and for viewers just search joining us. so we are waiting for germany as all of schultz and french present

in my car to come out any moment. now we're told, added to leaders or will hold talks to where the focus expect to be on the war in ukraine and ahead of those talks. and they are supposed to come out and give brief remarks and take questions from the press that is assembled. simon, in terms of the way forward with russia. what is the current thinking here in berlin? well, i think the hope is that eventually you can get to a position where the fighting stops and you've got some type of negotiation for, for peace. what has repeatedly been stressed, a bio of shots and others, is that it must not be a dictated piece. in other words,

we must not allow the russian sorta to fight to the very last minute and then say, right, this is the territory that we've, we've, we've got and we're keeping that and you know, the ukraine to keep the rest or, or something along those crude lines, clearly they say this is being repeat and i'm sure we'll hear this actually from the 2 leaders. when they come out. it's ukraine. that has to determine what, what is the shape of any, any piece, any deal, any arrangement. we've already heard from president zalinski. at least the implicit suggestion that one might be a they might be able to agree somehow, at least to show the issue of crimea and not to demand at this stage that russians withdraw from crimea. what we heard president let's the same fact last week was that he wants to see the boarders as it were, returned to how they were before the 24th of february, before the full scale invasion by russian troops. so that would suggest that he can,

he can envisage some sort of russian involvement in crimea, who knows where that might lead, and what his attitude is in, in the east of his country. it's not yet apparent, but at any rate, the leaders here in berlin and i think paris is the same, was the, you know, it must be up to the ukrainians to say what part of their territory might be subject to some kind of negotiation with russia. it can't be just left to as it were, the russian military to create the facts on the ground. and then the west will find itself negotiating from position of, of weakness. and that is that he's axiomatic. so i think i think they're hoping for a possibility of famine. let's go faster. i love health and friends present him and michael, i'm getting ready to address the reporters gathered there. let's go take

a listen. you are the monroe should be there in my new l. wonderful to be able to welcome you here in berlin once again. and i'm particularly pleased for your election results. and i would like to congratulate you on them. at this point, france has quite clearly decided in favor of europe in this election. and this is a very good sign because in, at the times like these commitments of this kind of very important for long now we have agreed our countries can only successfully tackle the major challenges facing us in this day and age. if we do so together within the framework of a strong sovereign europe, back to mind somebody, we want to continue along this road together. and what i am particularly pleased that this is the case because that means that many of the important decisions and challenges facing us are connected to this. the fact that you are

a 1st foreign trip you have to take you to germany. it is an honor and a pleasure for me, for one, because that is something special. your 1st one, triple, but after your new term in office. and i do believe that good corporation between france and germany is important as we develop our common europe. not because our 2 countries are so important to them, but just because i'm because it's so important that our 2 countries work well together for europe to work well together. this is why good cooperation between our 2 countries is a good sign for the fact that we can move forward to court as your of the fact that you are. it falls on europe day. it is a particularly important symbol and fits to the aim that we share the signal one vote on. this is a signal that we want to send out clearly to day on the initiative of the french presidency. holbrook, and guns. there are a number of different buildings in europe that we are going to light up in the european and the ukrainian countries, the eiffel tower,

and the brand of bus gate. we stand side by side with ukraine as part of the european family. only europe day, 2021. you opened the conference should not be part of the meeting for the whole. so notice to disorient it for 20. 19 more. you opened up the conference in europe, and then the pandemic came along months which we couldn't have imagined, but none of us could have imagined that peace in europe would be broken by a russian war of aggression on ukraine. would you want that a neighboring country would be attacked so violently that millions of people would have to flee? they are cut their home and that 5, thousands and thousands would experienced death and destruction. this is something that shocks us, but it also well does together, because we must act under together. we have experienced a turning point in history. i have said it since the beginning of this war and we

are going to be rinsing the huge amount of strength that we can derive from our peer or not from cooperation much in europe talk and in the trans atlantic alliance is forced on in these days we are aware, once again of what prosperity, what liberty, that's not what freedom we enjoy going on, the nato countries. and we are determined to ensure that freedom will tell them our democracy, prosperity to social market, economy, justice and sustainable environmental approach are things that we want to defend to daughter. and this is why the german french partnership and friendship is more important than ever before l. as a locomotive for the european project, the former, i am pleased to have you here as a close, reliable partner by my side killing organ blew up. can only be successful if we all work together. this is true for the cooperation for the heads of state government,

and it is also true for the citizen exertion in europe under openness, a little live at living witnesses on vital democracy is crucial and it is a signal that we are sending out of the european for your future conference, which has been sent i to day from sto, hasbrook in 2022. we agree that the good ideas of emerging from this conference put forward by global citizens will make the european union stronger, more sovereign, and we will support these ideas. an important cigna is also being sent on to the western falcon 5 countries. we norcross dick to our promises for accession, that is in the block. obstacles in the way must be of a come thinner if you wish, before from the european responsibility angio strategic reason. and i'm pleased that you emphasize this once again, so clearly because it's afternoonish rise when we agree from ukraine is