longer, healthier and fuller life, one of the most insightful discoveries in the history of mankind. down the hatch. more life starts may 28th on d, w. just 11 weeks ago, russia invaded ukraine, ending a long era of european security and stability, finland and sweden. now considering nato membership, and in years of cautious neutrality, fearful of their powerful, unpredictable neighbor to the east and ukraine, a country with mast ranks of allies all prepared to arm it's forces, and also prepared to leave them to fight the battle alone. is this a proxy war or wise restraints preserving what's left of the post world war 2 piece

on layla, iraq, and berlin in for brand golf, this is the day ah, joining nato would strengthen the whole international community that stands for our common valley. this rushes invasion of ukraine isn't hops that threatens the foundation of the international order, not only in europe, but also in asia. well, of course, we need to protection, but i'm not sure that this is the part of creating more peace in, in the world, just because this has been possible. why was no global or european institution capable of stopping this wall. also coming up, it transformed how we listen to music on the move. well now it's the end of the ipod. as apple discontinued,

the iconic gadget after over 2 decades. and we are introducing a product today that takes us exactly there. and that product is called, i caught to have your whole music library with you at all times. is a quantum leap in listening to music. ah, 2 of you were watching on phoebe as in the united states and to all of you around the world, a very warm welcome. we begin the day with a warning that the war in ukraine might not be over any time soon. america's fire chief avril haines has offered a grim outlook on the possible trajectory of vladimir putin's invasion. she says the conflict could escalates even further and become even more unpredictable. and predicting putin has never been easy. but haines believes the russian president has war aims extending far beyond the eastern dom bass region and that he still has his

sights set on regime change. in order to achieve these aims, mister putin would have to resort to more extreme measures taking charge of industrial output, ordering full military mobilization inside russia, and employ even more brutality on the battlefield. here is april haynes, the director of national intelligence. we assess, president putin is preparing for a prolonged conflict in ukraine during which he still intends to achieve goals. beyond the dumbass, we assess that putin strategic goals have probably not changed, suggesting he regards the decision in late march to refocus russian forces on the dumbass. it's only a temporary shift to regain the initiative after the russian military's failure to capture keith. and while it was because of concerns of the future course of the war in ukraine, that british prime minister boars, johnson travel to sweden and finland today. there he signed agreements to come to

their defense in the event of an attack. the possible aggressor was not named, but the agreements were clearly aimed at the turn. russian president vladimir putin from aggressive action. we are taking another step to strengthening our bilateral defense and security cooperation at the strategic level. and i'm very happy that you have come here to day for the signing of our bilateral political declaration of solidarity. the war in ukraine is forcing our school to make difficult decisions. but sovereign nations must be free to make those decisions without fear or influence or threat of retaliation. so, and if either countries should suffer a disaster or an attack, the united kingdom and sweden will assist each other in a variety of ways. it's worth emphasizing that if sweden were attacked and looked to us for help and support,

then we would provide it. my 1st guest is alexander kara, a ukrainian diplomats foreign policy and security expert, who was also an advisor to the minister of defense in ukraine. he joins me tonight from key ver, very warm. welcome to the day sir. oh, we just saw, is she good to have you with us that we just saw their sweden and the u. k. signing a mutual defense packed finland agreed. a similar defense deal, both of these 2 nations may now be fast tracked into nato. do you think ukraine's bid to join the alliance will happen any time soon? well, it's certainly, it's not going to happen soon, but i am optimistic about there are the possibility of ukraine to enjoin in need and actually shoot us england and a sweden, a join nato, and they would be no alexey harsh reaction from moscow. it will destroy the whole propaganda narrative for russia that dozier,

fearful all the need to advancement towards their borders for as a primary reason why they are fighting against you agree. so i believe for it's a wise decision for fin, london, sweden to be protected under the umbrella of nato. and certainly we wanted to have such an umbrella it back in 2008. unfortunately, it was a possession or germany and france severe block. and are we now in dire straits so mostly in georgia in 2000 need when russia unleashed its force against the the, so public and then since 2014, are you cree soul? certainly, i would love to see you green, what was that was in nato, and i believe we will health or will season this opportunity in future, sir, even without full made our membership, your country has the next best thing, arguably, our military and financial backing from your western allies could key of potentially accept some sort of strategic neutrality aligned with them, but forever outside the defense packed. if that is what moscow wants to end this

bloody war. ah, well, i believe that the uh, the uh, contribution of the store near one sort of the defense budget to he grins, green and defense proof that those countries all the baltics borland remain in some answers, are wise enough to join nato because each protected them from the same feeds it we are facing, was russia. so that's why i see no reason for you green to give up on our nito membership aspiration because we don't have any of that possibility to preserve a certainty to drill integrity and independence or russia attacked us when we are non blake. non blocker country is break in 2014 and it's shifted to public athenian tours in natal membership or the decisively or from something like 45 percent to $60.80 or later on. so as you know, as

a poor possibility or few green to secure its future, or either within nato or with special partnership or was noted states in some other countries that could provide us the guarantees no lives an article 5. now, sir, you're a diplomat, and there has been some decidedly undiplomatic language between berlin and keith in recent weeks. and some of it was born out of germany's past policies to forge closer ties with russia. r a washington bureau chief in as paul spoke to christopher hogan, who was the foreign policy advisor to chance their uncle america. i want to play a clip or for you to listen to and then i get your reaction. if i me basically, i think the, the idea that we had since the end of the 2nd world war after the name of germany 27000000 soviets were killed. i think for us to try and get into a better relationship with,

with the rusher to build bridges. i think was the right right policy. we just have to realize that russia today is ready to destroy all these bridges that we have been trying to build mr. car at the christian christian who's going rather than defending germany's policy of change through trade. is he defending the indefensible? in your opinion? oh yes, sure. because sir joseph all are here for some reason. germany feel guilty of allah juice being killed during the 2nd whole war. and russians are as, as an a bill of russians and ukrainians who actually the, the bigger number was in russian service killed by the nazi during the 2nd world war. and the whole war was on our territory and not on the russian territory. so that's why these are the, the whole idea that there is a special guilt doors, russia and building all those bridges is something that special interest. and

actually i would to, or i would to go to the lead in all the social democrats recently. he knows that his party is changing or revising or sporty cur, towards the russian in and other countries. and he admitted the wrong doing of such a thing like over estimating russian importance and under similar to z, consumes all the central and eastern european countries. so i believe this is right away how to reassess of the mistakes of the as a consequence. and governments in germany and reading of russia in general, and certainly this ignorance of the germans towards the central and eastern europeans in the air. let's say you're feeling an understanding of russia much better as and the, the, the so called all to european. so i believe a, we can man this we and possibly there are some mistakes from ukrainian side or we haven't been trying to make a germans feel guilty for all those committed to

a grant or during the 2nd world war like russia has been doing. and in underline, it's the importance of in the city nazi, but we were doing it from a totally different point of view because we, we've seen the germany and germans are realized that those crimes and the, the age, they change their self, her to completely e. annex, actually, it's a different case was russia. what we're now this aggressive war gear is agree, it's so the, the roots of this, you, sir, that come communism was not condemned. like, must isn't in your, in their process. and a diesel, russia irrationally. do. ology is based on imperialism and communism world, but went together, humans always in comparable, thinks of from gl, from the scene mine. so we, we would like to see more changes in the sinking of germans. it was a got to rush in with regard to not just ukraine,

buzzy whole bunch of countries here to the east or july. i to allison, a car, ukrainian diplomat foreign policy and security expert, to thank you for your time. think of invitation. united nations monitors say more than 200 children have been killed in this war, and more than 400 injured. and unicef says nearly 2 thirds of ukrainian children have been forced to flee their homes account for internally displaced. people in western ukraine is trying to meet the needs of school age children whose lives have been happened that are correspondent emma, who has shes spit them a visit. it takes a village to raise a child in war time. i'm no exception. human. even though frankie asking weston ukraine, locals have mobilize resources and manpower to give young displaced children a safe haven. martin and some friends. second is safe space with the support of antonio mexico. when the world started to, we really wanted to make

a bigger contribution and to ever saw so many people who are new to our cd, it with the families. and. and we also saw there was a big need in taking care of the kids while parents to trying to figure out their life here in our city. and to together with my friend who is there in education area. ah, we are open to the school camp. the school camp brings a semblance of normality back to the life of these children. still, all of them miss home. may i young? we play doctor, an hairdresser with my friend graham. i want to go home. i'm from keith. isla landed so the day. oh my grandmother lives here. are you? oh, we arrived on the 3rd day of war here at 10 p. m. fully or 30, then you really? i miss my friends. you very cheddar czar,

that always jamari. my name's my name's sophia, i'm from china here. i miss my friends that always if despite coming from very different places and not always sharing the same language or cultural background, children here quickly adapt colleges when kids from different parts of ukraine talked to each other. it's very good if they share experiences, isabel lots from eastern and central ukraine speak russian, but now they're trying to speak ukrainian sometimes with a funny accent, but it's good. they're trying beyond the say the lines, the children are still experiencing the, to a mouthful. something indicators also try to address children need to talk by themselves about this. so they, they would sell as okay was say bomb shelter for a week, and then they start opening up or we, we lived on there like many rents and then we travel here. so they are aware and

for this particular reason we have every week art therapy sessions was man with certified psychologists. and that they work with them through therapy, through art, through therapy for them to express themselves across ukraine. similar initiatives are tackling children's needs while they alleviates to apply to for them. they cannot replace the safety of their homes. they have loss. i'd like to welcome. now we're james elder. he is so units of spokesperson insurances from live ukraine, a good day to you, sir. thank you for taking the time to take our questions. what are the main challenges displaced? ukrainian children are facing right now or several trula certainly because many of them have seen the impact of all, many of them have as you just heard on your program. have, you know, i spent time in bankers, they've seen bombardment. increasingly we see children conflicts like this on the front lines, heavy weaponry in civilian areas. so 1st and foremost,

i have been bearing the brunt of this war and trauma. that's an enormous impact. and then it's deprivation that if they have been in areas where it's been very hard to get idle humanitarian cargoes, i've not been able to reach that. it's food and water. so it's stress and it's trauma. and in a lot of instances, particularly to those children in the age, it has been a genuine threat to their lives because he's heavy weaponry in civilian areas has continue. is there enough help being provided to help these children? i mean, the most critical help at the moment is full. these 4 to stop. so no, there's no, it's impossible to say that there is enough help for these children because the she scope and scale and speed of this conflict. what it's been to the children is something we haven't seen, you know, for 70 or 80 years in europe. all the world we're talking about almost a child has been displaced from their homes and you crying almost every 2nd since

this war started, that's mine going almost every 2nd. since the war started, when we say displays we of course, you know, i flee harms on the bombardment of the millions who had to leave the country. you cried. most of them and i had to leave their father. so there is an enormous effort going in agencies across i've just been with unicef, watching front line support and everything from counselors to nutrition to medical supplies. but he can't possibly still make the need because the scale of the attacks. so the impact on children remains. so horrendously large, what difficulties could children be facing? you know, wednesday, are they trying to re adapt to life without war? i mean, we pray that there is live without war. and i think for those children of the sea who will, who are now in, you know, poland or germany or mo, dog up, it is life without war that still tumultuous. anyone who moves how so cities knows,

you know how to re up evil of old movie for them. moving country at a time of war, having been through that trauma and for the vast majority of these children, having left their father behind is incredibly difficult without language skills. so that's why it's so important, the governments of europe and the people of europe, you know, do welcome them or empathetic to understand what they've enjoyed. i've spoken to hundreds of ukrainians. none of them want to leave a little off of much of the countries i arriving, but i don't want to be back in their homes. so i think it's understanding and empathy about what they paid through. and of course, social services to bring those children into education systems. and in conclusion, so what can parents do to help their children overcome the trauma? now it's a great question and it, at the end of the day, parents still on the front line responders. it's the moms and dads, increasingly, the moms who are the 1st people to respond to that trauma. all that child who's

seen suddenly horrendous, or has seen another air raid siren and is learning that you know, an air ride simons get out of bed and run to your bank up very critical. so it's 2 parts. one is what can we do for parents? that's why organizations like you to see if getting cash to parents is critical because parents have been through trauma and the moms and dads, they need to try and create places of normality. they need to try and, you know, stay away from news for a while. get online where we have education programs, do anything they can to break the routine of war for children, which is incredibly difficult when the nations under attack james alto, unicef spokesperson. so thank you very much for your time. thank you. ah, apple is saying good bye to the ipod, the tech that changed the way we listen to music on the go more than 2 decades ago,

the company decided to stop production of its latest model, the ipod touch. well, the 1st ipod had a scroll wheel and the capacity to store a whopping 1000 songs in your pocket. the latest version was lawrence launched rather in 2007 the same year that the equally iconic i phone at the market. simple. my next guest was at the launch of the 1st i pod back in october 2001 in freed is the chief technology corresponded for the news platform act ceos. and she joins me from san francisco in the united states. so good to have you with the sienna, you were at that very exciting launch. just how groundbreaking was the ipod back then? i mean, it really was, there were a lot of other hard drive base music players on the market. so what that mostly meant at the time is, and if you weren't carrying your walkman, which many people still were playing cassette tapes, you could store a few songs,

may be an album or to if you bought the most expensive version here. this let you take most of your music library with you and play any song you want. there were no streaming services. this was the most music you could take with you. really? anyone had ever seen up? indeed, i remember clearly like the day yesterday. now apple is pulling the plug on ipod production after over 20 years. why? while the i pod had really become integrated into your smartphone, very few people carry both an i pod and a smartphone. it's just easier to keep your music. all those features are there. the i pod touch had served one important purpose, which apple will still have to figure out, which is for parents that didn't want to give their kids a phone yet. and it sort of served as kind of a gateway into the i phone ecosystem. so kids were already buying apps and getting used to the i phone even without the i phone. and as you're reporting, i think we can all understand and accept that the features of the ipod are now

available and other apple products like the i phone as you've been reporting. but this is still a bitter pill to swallow. for those who grew up with it and hold it dear to their hearts, i cut myself one of them for sure i have a bunch of old i pods that still work with me and i'm looking forward to keeping them for a long time now on what about apple itself. i mean, how important was the success of the i pod for at the company? remind us, having the, it was hugely important. you know, people forget apple basically only made the macintosh and the mac controlled about 5 percent of the market at the time. so apple was a niche player in the computer market. the ipod is what, let them expand and pave the way you know. now there are a consumer electronics of giant, the most valuable company in the world when it comes to attack. but back then, this was really the key to getting out of being a niche player in personal computers. now i'm gonna put you on the spot and i'm

going to ask you to gaze in dear a crystal ball. how will we listen to music on the move in the future? any clues? well, it's already changed. a lot of people are already listening to them on wireless earbuds, things like air pods or google's pixel buds. i think some of those features will eventually migrate to these augmented reality glasses of the future. it'll take a long time for them to get here. but you know, 5 or 6 years from now, i think we'll be listening to music and a lot of the things we turned to our phone for, from our glasses and not very cool in our those glasses really still have to work on their inner very, at the cheapest, not living. let's hear technology corresponded for the new platform access. i'm not so the id now. thank you so much pleasure talking to you. thanks. ah, life in the ukrainian capital cave is slowly regaining some semblance of normality

. 2 thirds of the cities inhabitants have returned, restaurants and cafes open for business, as also true of gems and boxing a beloved sport and ukraine is helping some people deal with the stress of war. weeks after russian forces retreated from the suburbs of cave gems have begun to reopen at the all star as boxing club enthusiast, stay in shape while warding off anxiety and stress, even as well as condensed each other with the curfew in the city and restricted movement, we needed someplace to blow off steam and discharge emotional tension. it was naturally, this helps a lot. yes. dental washington, ohio. for the past 2 decades, ukraine has excelled in the boxing world with their fighters, gaining a reputation for speed, movement, and fighting. i. q. the skills that also appear to have helped on the battlefield assistance. he nash cor books ethics. we have a strong boxing school, i believe,

o sic, loma jenko, the click, go brothers. all our boxers, who are world famous and have achieved impressive results, the decision shook this and thought of these amateur athletes said, boxing clears their head and keeps them ready for whatever lies ahead. it's quirky, it's camp for an is the world's biggest line music event. eurovision song contest is back this week with qualifying rounds underway. inter in italy. ah, this is ukraine's entry, which is one of the favorites to win the final on saturday. the band college orchestra has been outspoken in it's a boyfriend cranium resistance to the russian invasion. since the conflict erupted the competition supposed to be all about the music but political overtones. i'm not unusual, vision. good luck to them. the day is almost done,

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ah ah ah, this is news line from berlin. ukraine tries to make a deal with russia to get his injured fighters out of the star steel plant negotiations continue on a plan. they would see seriously injured ukrainian, defenders evacuated in exchange pro ration prisoners, also coming up seeking answers, a palestinian american al jazeera jerome was killed covering and israeli wait on the janine refugee camp sharina actually was in the occupied west. back the broadcaster says the veteran reporter was target.