a w made for mines a. ah ah, this is d w. news live from berlin, affinity, 3 months on the seed. ukrainian soldiers have finally left. the as will still still works in mario poll. ukraine says the severely wounded soldiers ought to be taken to russian held territory. it's thought they could be exchanged for russian prisoners. also on the program, a turkish president, friendship time at one threatens to block beds by finland and sweden to join nato, accusing both countries of hovering terrorists.

ah, i manuscripts, mccann, and thanks so much for joining us. he crane and russia have reached agreement on the removal of hundreds of ukrainian soldiers from the as of stell steele works in mario, pull around 600 members of the so called as of regiment, have been trapped there for weeks. ukraine's deputy defense minister said the soldiers were being taken by russia through a humanitarian corridor for medical treatment in russian hill territory. several buses carrying the soldiers left the plant on monday night. now the move means that ukraine has now effectively seated full control of the city of mario pull to russia to parting in darkness and under russian guard. the 1st ukrainian troops have left the as of stalls steal works off to weeks of fierce resistance. buses brought 53 of

the way injured to a hospital here in the nearby russian control town of nova, as offs ukrainian officials said, and the 211 soldiers had been taken to separate his territory. further north present, zalinski made clear that getting as of stells defend his home was a priority. all my am on that you shall, does. we hope to save the lives of our boys that among them are heavily wounded? they have been treated to the one i want to on the line ukraine needs. it's ukranian here is alive. this is our principal chisels man. shop over a month and loves of the work continues to bring our boys home. and it requires delicacy and time to us. it's unclear just how many soldiers still left inside the heavily bombarded as of style complex. but the evacuation seems to indicate that the long and bitter siege is drawing to an end. the ukrainian army announced late

on monday that the main goal now was to save the lives of the remaining defenders. and for more on the russian perspective, on the as a style plant evacuation, i'm joined now by d. w. russia. analysts, konstantin agate, who's in vilnius constantine, a ukraine, says it soldiers have fulfilled that combat, that mission and marable, while russia is saying the ukranian troops had surrendered. can you give us a sense of the reality? well, i suppose that each side in this information warfare will lay up its own narrative . it's clear that the crime will say this is surrender. to some extent, it is because the soldiers are going to the russian territory by the way of latino zalinski needs to really work very hard to give them back because of this, a lot of his prestige is basically hanging ah bolts. on the other hand, i think that the graham position are we are,

we are humane. we are treating all soon. jews lives as a very important national treasure that also works well is specially pool. our zelinski is the domestic audience, which cares a lot about the fate of the service men. but also, i would say, were some audiences because in some european countries there's a lot of perception that the grains are going gone quote over this war. and this basically inevitable retreat shows that zelinski is white, flexible in his assessments on the situation, and for him externally. definitely this is a blog. okay, now, and let's talk about what happens next. how likely is it a prisoner exchange between ross from ukraine will happen and that be evacuated? will be brought back to ukrainian territory? well, that depends squarely on the russian side,

which has been cheating quite frequently and all these things on command that are in court or there was on exchanges. but i suppose that the lansky knows well what he's saying. my suspicion, my suspicion is that in exchange for all the ukrainians captured in a mighty, you will defacto capture the model. so very, very important russian prisoners, maybe exchange that will be probably the won't bid that will entice the russians to keep their word. now that russia has full control of mario full, what does this mean for the direction of the war from now, from now going forward? well, let's say that there are 34 weeks ago that would have been a major victory. today. it's fault of a stand still to which my suspicion i'm not, the military specialist did better talk to me for specials, but it looks like the russian losses are grounding to stand still in the capture of what are you pulled does not change the situation as drastically as it would have

done, as i said 456 weeks ago. and it is clear that the city is already on the ration control apart from the as old style still works, which became largely a symbol. but what will russia do with this? completely devastated place with a hostile population. it's a big question. so i think it's a technical success with him. no doubt about that. but if you look at the kind of overall picture of the war, it's not developing to russia's benefit to, to russia, advantage in the last few weeks. and they do not see how it can drastically change overnight with the official capture or muddy what a handling counseling i got in vilnius. thank you so much now the finished president solely in easter is starting a 2 day state visit to sweden today. now this comes off the both countries, so they were planning to apply for nato membership. turkey who threatened to block both countries bid to join the alliance with president ret kept type at one

accusing finland and sweden of hod bring kurdish separatists. it was a moment that for many, had long been unthinkable. but less than 3 months after russia invaded ukraine, the swedish prime minister saw no other choice, but to end 2 centuries of neutrality without your back there and that it is a major historical shift for our country. the lamb not, we are ending one era and beginning another. but we can enter the can you era with confidence? because we are doing it was the better of our history of the best stuff award land system down. the decision was cheered by many in stock. com i was, i was absolutely against this before because i thought that we should be neutral as we have always been. but then when, when the invasion of russia happened,

i kind of changed my mind a little bit because the, the world and the northern course can even countries, it felt not safe anymore. well, i think it was about time. we've been hanging around forever and now would take like 4 step. the move follows neighboring finland's decision to also apply for membership. but what started out as a dream come true for many nato members soon turned into a diplomatic nightmare. as turkish president reach hep type air to one shot down, any hopes for a smooth process or to one accuses the nordic countries of working against his government. that includes a recent refusals to extradite kurdish militants that turkey considers terrorists is welcome. good. murray. had to turn in the neither sweden nor finland has an open, clear stance against terrorist organizational. so, besides throughout this process,

even if they say they're against harris organizations through teachers, on the contrary, they have statements saying they would not expedite certain terrorism. even if they say they'll be exercising them, we believe once bitten, twice shy, come auction it many fear the fracture could play into peyton's hands. at a time when western leaders are desperate to display unity. i spoke to the w correspondent, terry schultz earlier, who is in stockholm, and i asked her about the expectations for the finished president's visit to sweden today. finished president, selling you so has a couple of days here of very intense diplomacy. but i think the main point here for both him and for the swedes is to show the strong solidarity in the nordic countries. as we know they've decided to apply to join nato together. neither of them really wanted to be left alone after their neighbor went ahead with this. so really as, as we've just heard,

sweden didn't have another choice as the fins were moving more quickly. and that's what we'll expect to see today. a strong show of solidarity and perhaps more announcements about the next step in their process toward actually formally announcing to that that they've submitted their nato membership applications. now talk, he's president ada one is being very clear. he's told sweden and finland not to ball the sending delegations to convince his country of that. so realistically is that it for the hopes of nato membership not at all. in fact, i'm quite sure that everyone in nato believes that at the end i turkey will have to support finish and swedish membership. it may not be the fin since we'd sending delegations to anchor that that moves the, the bar on this with president air to one. but i know that in the united states has a lot of leverage over turkey. there are some deals on fighter jets that turkey would very much like to conclude with the united states. and i'm certain that those conversations are taking place. and you've also seen the other nato members step up

and re announce their support for the finish, and swedish bids. so everyone is certainly putting pressure on air to one, letting him know that he's the one who will be isolated if he doesn't pass through these. these members that the other nato allies are very much looking forward to having joining the alliance. and that was d. w correspondent terry schultz reporting from stockholm. now the un has declared today made the 17th from international day against homophobia, trans phobia, and by phobia, how israel is known as one of the most progressive countries in the middle east when it comes to l. g b t, right? however orthodox jews can still struggle to be accepted by their community, he w's anna cough spoke to one gay man, forced to undergo so called conversion therapy, and word of warning. some theories may find parts of this report distressing. blue been silent on when the past catches, ma'am with him,

then civil man sits down at the piano. he might play a love song rewriting it so that it's from one man to another man. her birth go just a few years ago. ben would not have been able to talk about his sexuality, i, arthur, pamela burton. i was terrified at our marcello and i thought i was going to lose everything very my little im, selling my family, my best friends, my community lar and happy outside the abilene dos. i was a religious kid, fanny. i believed in heaven, but they believed in hell. the bar that i thought i'd end up in hell and hot blame, silly. i then grew up in an ultra orthodox community with religious dog train at its center. he would often read the torah for up to 12 hours a day. he was to marry young and have lots of children. but he fell in love with one of his classmates. his teacher noticed and told his father,

who then sent ben to so called conversion ceremony. shockley, my name glossy ashley. i was told it was based on childhood trauma off shani. law must think of it had caused me not to feel masculine enough. be careful was utterly give. i was looking for another man, i think of leave to make up for my own lack of masculinity. how many one also shackled my masculinity problems felt i would they said no longer be attracted to men. then spend 7 years in the so called therapy. during that time he avoided relationships, but he was still attracted to man and that pushed him to despair. a my little guy, i climbed up on to a roof, is the causing him. i wanted to jump and he will take my wasn't afraid, it seemed like the best solution it on market then i thought there is one thing i haven't yet tried to be gay to try to be myself out of as unless i got down from the roof of as much as safety and decided to come out on the new la

technology from a cooler fence. a strictly religious family refused to accept them. he left the community, build a new life for himself. he studied men to day. he rarely goes into ultra orthodox district. when he sees his family, he can talk about his relationships. i work with you here though he feels understood every week and meets up with a group of gay, lesbian, and trans people from ultra orthodox backgrounds. they all share similar experiences, and that hops been to accept himself that led by gaston looks highway. i have met gay couples who have been together for decades, chicago api. what's given me hope that i to that will be able to find true love harry must even though for years last year i was taught the opposite classes at the havoc much i neil to she. thea then is now campaigning to have so called conversion

therapy. bentonville rail, his hope is that others can one day live as openly as he does by the way. and that is what we have time for close up is coming up next to the report about the growing coastal erosion of portugal, atlantic coast. that you can always get one use in videos on d w dot com. thanks so much for watching a.