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with young people over the world are committed to climate protection. what impact will because change doesn't happen on its own. make up your own mind. w. need for mine's a 21 year old russian soldiers on trial in ukraine for war crimes. he's admitted, shooting and killing a 62 year old civilian to stop him from reporting the presence of russian troops in his village. but just think about that for a moment. 21 years old. what turns a 21 year old soldier into a war criminal? and where's the line in war time? i'm fil gail in berlin and this is the day.
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ah! do you understand what you're accused of? yes. do you feel guilty? yes. fully. yes. not refusing to give evidence in court. now, it's not refusing. now also on the day europe powers up it's renewable energy programs, the new initiative promises to win the you off russian energy. today we're taking our ambition yet to another level, to make sure that we become independent of russian fossil fuels as quickly as possible. ah, welcome to the day we begin in the ukrainian capital key when a russian soldier has admitted to killing a civilian in ne,
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in ukraine. in the 1st days of the russian invasion during the trial and in the capital, the 21 year old has pleaded guilty to charges, including premeditated murder and committing a war crime. it's the 1st war crimes trial to be held. there looks likely to be the 1st of many. so stood in a glass box in a packed courtroom in chief. a russian soldiers fate hangs in the balance. he's been accused of a war crime. the case centers on the shooting of an unarmed civilian in the semi region in the 1st week of russia's invasion of ukraine. worth your while. we're true, a translator. the judge asks the russian sergeant, if he plead guilty, she was moved the woman who up from inside the glass box comes the answer. yes, i do know that if you, if the court convicts him the 21 year old russian could spend the rest of his life
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in prison. the lawyer for the accused soldier plans to challenge the war crimes charge. despite his clients guilty, plea or boucher will know we will approve the fact that he pleaded guilty doesn't necessarily mean guilty to the exact charges. detailed by the prosecutor's official group. i think it omitted that those events happened. but as for the classification, the court will decide with drug i personally don't see criminal substance in his actions. that was on with years ago from you watching the trial is catarina shelley, a pogo, the widow of the killed 62 year old civilian alexander, shelly, a puff. as a young man, her husband used to work with russians during the soviet era for katerina. any forgiveness is a long way off. can you forgive him?
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oh, when you know they brought too much grief to us is a bach, too many children have been killed. there has been too much brutality or you theres bubble on those hipaa. ukraine accuses the russian army of committing widespread war crimes. it's a charge that moscow denies, but she cranes, prosecutor general, irena vin addict over scene here with jan less is preparing cases against at least $41.00 russian soldiers. back at the court in keith. the country's long fight for justice is just beginning. well let's look at some of the matters arising from this trial with major john spencer. he's chair of urban warfare stories, where the madison policy form is also author of connected soldiers, life leadership, and social connections in modern war,
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joins us from colorado springs in the united states. welcome to the w. so we have a 21 year old russian sergeant who's admitted shooting an unarmed 62 year old man on a bike. this is to stop him reporting the presence of, of russian soldiers. we know that war is a terrible business that necessarily involves killing people. so someone who's seen active service for troops on the ground, how a soldiers trained to draw the line between what's necessary and what, what's allowed yet really starts on day one. when we accept people into the military, we immediately start him with imposing what we call ethics. a standard of the profession that includes the law of armed conflict, the law war which distinguishes trina, combat and non command an enemy in a civilian. we start that from day one, we also have very strong called group norms. so this is what a professional military does,
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doesn't matter if the person's been there for one day or for 10 years. the group in itself is self regulated, is part of being a profession, is that you adhere to an ethical code to the law of war. and then you self regulate, so the fact that you is your, any soldier, if they embed a so some sellers do do bad things. they're not immediately corrected by the group . then establish the new standard in the base to the descend into a mad or killing whatever you want. so again, big because none of us have had to be there what we were talking at in the abstract . so something bad happens, you would expect in a well regulated army for the people around and for commanding officers to, to look at what's just happened and, and, and, and take some sort of action that immediately yet immediately, or it's like a poison to the, to the just war to the just actions of your unit. it even mean something morally, if you, if you allow that to go on and what the injury cause to your other soldier. so as
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a commander in war, you would immediately stop that soldier, take his weapon and he would seek you would seek justice as in an investigation. a trial in the military, that's part of the glues, is the military justice system to identify that and then show all the other soldiers that is not acceptable. ok, so that, that, that's in a well regulated the army, but from your own experience, and from what you know of this war and the way that russia treats and trains it's, it's conscript on me. are you able to paint as a picture of a sort of precious eye on young conscripts in a conflict like this? yeah, yeah, i think i could, i mean, conscript isn't a bad thing. mandatory service is used by other military that doesn't descend into violent war crimes. genocide, things like that. in the situation of a young person in combat, he looks to the leaders around him or the people that have been there longer. right? the senior soldiers in the russian system they have, they don't have
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a senior listed core, they have officers and have warrant officers, but they absolutely have been around for a long time. that soldier becomes accountable to his group and that's how you regulate it. but this is not always the russian military. there they have no ethical code. the massacres that we have seen are either condoned or ordered. so this is and i think this is an important moment even for the ukrainians to show the world that they are a professional government, a professional force where there are rights and dat, soldier wasn't, it is vengeance is justice. a rush of course is considering its own trials of ukrainian soldiers is a russian, a lawmaker in charge of the countries parliament's committee on international affairs. at leon, that's litski looker yes, in them up this way, exchange a sufficiently large number of prisoners of war through, from the ukrainian side for these non humans in human form killers and show the
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whole world that they are worthy only of capital punishment. thus, though they do not deserve to live after those monstrous crimes committed against humanity, the actual and which are being committed continuously against our prisoners of war league of the reserves out of the bear with her brother, her brother. i wonder john spencer, do you see any equivalence of morals or legally of between the trials starting in cave and those being called for in moscow? no, i don't mean actually makes me sick. physically sick, listening to that person. i thought he was talking about the russian soldiers actions in places like boucher where you would as a nation, call your soldiers in for justice against your soldiers. there's no, there's no document investigation showing that the mario will defenders targeted civilians bombed theaters with children written on the outside of it. it just makes me sick. it's a complete,
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up really thumb at the nose at the entire world that this war is not just work for them. he should be calling for his own russian soldiers to be, to be investigated and try for the internationally documented war crimes that are happening every day. there's no evidence of the defenders or mary of doing work. right. so we have a you kind of prosecutor general who says her office is preparing war crimes cases against 41 russian soldiers for offences including bombing, civil infrastructure, killing civilians, rape and looting. so we can perhaps understand, in its broadest terms why, in an invading force might find it useful to destroy buildings, even civilian ones. i suppose it's a personal outrageous at so many of us find so difficult to contemplate the you have any insights to share as someone who's been in conflict about what terms some men in war, inter rapists and murderers. no, actually,
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i don't. that's, that's a special kind of evil. not that i've seen bad soldiers in those soldiers are identified and then rapidly secluded not given the autonomy to operate weapons and fight in war. so i can't get in mind several rapist or what we've seen in russian soldiers doing at mass, not just individuals. other the investigations will be extreme jurisprudence as an investigations videos, evidence collecting. but to get you in a mind, there's no excuse just so you're clear for what has been done by russian soldiers to civilians tying their hands behind their back and shooting them in the back of the head. right. i, i agree with you that in war, civilian buildings and things that will be destroyed, such as like an enemy is used as a headquarters. but if you're, if you follow the laws,
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why can't like you do everything you can to ensure the minimis mount of collateral damage possible, right to certain people and to the infrastructure. that's not what's happened in russia, across the entire country of ukraine. but they're going through it extreme diligence and investigating everyone. good talking. that's very interesting. thank you so much for joining us, john spencer, from the madison policy form. thank you. was soldiers in ukraine, 2nd largest city hockey have recently repelled a russian attempt to take the city. the soldiers who fought to protect it are being held as heroes. but so to the volunteers who headed to the front line without arms or training to rescue civilians trapped to me in battle city during the heaviest fighting dw reporter arbion se has been to visit one volunteer in the hospital in the faith, who told him his story waking up from
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a nightmare after 2 months of operations said he, yvonne choke is recovering from his wounds. after the war broke out, he volunteered to evacuate civilians from the besieged city of har. keith, in his own car, he estimates he took about 70 people to safety. oh, not counting their pets. so it was him. despite his perennial smile, he was in a constant state of fear one night, his fears came true, also shows him a bunch of tickets. everything we see on the sink talk or in the movies. it's not like bathrooms, real life relax from so it's scary and you don't know what to do with it. he picked up several medical workers around 8 p. m. to drive them out of the city. not long after they heard gunfire. little at the level or not on the brow, or when i turned left out, her thumb from the driver's side was exposed claim amanda garcia, and on the dance,
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when i felt the 1st bullet hit my leg, only going up on this to be 2nd shot tor of my finger, hello, hello, hello for butter. i really saw that moment as well, but i couldn't believe it was real. his loss tickets in the years that it was like a nightmare. thorns, and long and more of the quality i love. i felt like a bulletin my back i'll spring like it felt i was starting to florida. yeah. you each of our of so which on i said why i think i've been shot in the back. and the thing we saved my life is that i was ferrying people from a clinic. psyche in victoria clinical. and victoria closed the holy my lung victoria a minute or 2, because if not, could be, i'd have taken a few more brackets when it, sir, smiling with her collapse for them. a thoughtful amount went up. the wind with 5 bullet wounds in his body said he drove another half a kilometer to the nearest ukrainian checkpoint. soldiers rushed him to the hospital. the richer summit, ticklish of cielo dick is a duel. makes amazing that no one else in the car was injured short, little john, not at all. along with one man was grazing by a bullet which tore his jeans. but saw that was,
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it was for animals that are darling. if not, even the cats were hurt, which electronic be 30 bullets hit the carters after you should 5 take me another $25.00 totally miss. no one can believe it nicely scored. even a soldier said, really, what will you survived yesterday me for vieira showed that the girl before the war said he was an opera singer in italy. he could have stayed there, but something called him home. what story uglier, if not me, then who read of so that's what the volunteers say. if he's got the football, if not me them, you know, just little bit privacy on some politicians trying to change the state as well as i mean these other people who can not be replaced with the people doing vital work. his doctors have told them he can't sing for now, within a year they expect him to make a full recovery. ah, other european union says it wants to stop using russian fossil fossil fuels by
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2027, and it's just unveiled the 210000000000 euro plan to do exactly that. the hope is not only to deprive the kremlin of tens of billions in revenue, but also to strengthen the a used climate policies. european commission, the president ursula fonda lion. i presented the initiative in brussels. but today we're taking our ambition yet to another level, to make sure that we become independent of russian fossil fuels as quickly as possible. this whole approach is re power eel. so we power, you will help us to save more energy to accelerate the phasing out of fossil fuel. and most importantly, to kick start investments on a new scale. so i will say this will be this be charging of our european green via okay to the plan, our energy savings and renewables. so let's take
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a closer look at what's arguably the most important source of renewable energy, wind power, but is expansion a here in europe on and off shore has been slow. while asia has seen its wind energy capacity almost tripling since 2020, when farm capacity in the european union is increased by just 4 percent. but that's the overall european picture break that down to individual states. and we can see that the pace of offshore expansion varies widely. aside from denmark, no e u member with access to the c, a completed a wind farm last year. but that set to change a germany belgium, the netherlands and denmark of all just announced plans to expand offshore wind capacity in the north sea massively to create a green power plant for europe. we want to increase out so, so off shall win. capacity fall, fall by 203010 fold by 2050. and we need that for 2
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reasons. one is to tackle climate change. we're working heart with in europe to make our energy supply sustainable. but secondly, because of the russian invasion in ukraine. first of all, it's driving down energy prices and things like these. i think it is very important to show the potential that we have to drive the price is no 2nd element there reduces c o 2 emissions. this is a goal that we have said as european as european union than d, not the north sea is the place where we can have large scale generation of electricity in offshore wind parks, in the large capacities that we need. and we can do thus in a way which is cost effective today is the dutch of lease, or germany's economy and climate minister robot har back was also at that meeting. as being with the w correspondent, julius out deli, he underscore the importance of this joint initiative. this is really the exception
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of thing today that we're not planning european grid alone and not turning a hydrogen back from interest on such up turning power plants of solving talks together. so this is, this is the new momentum we will need this situation. there have been reports that negotiations with katara regarding ellen g terminals have hit some problems because of the length of contracts and things like that. do you have any comments regarding those negotiation? not? well, i have a comment, but i can't go too deep into the negotiations. because the companies are really doing the negotiations, but of what it's obvious that we need natural gas if you want to get rid of russian nation natural gas. this is the situation, but we won't be hijacked. and if someone is using the situation to
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ask, ask me to high prices, are to long term contracts, then we would find about partners. we really would like to cooperate with a lot of countries, but not under the condition that they but they dictate the conditions. so it's a market and we will find other suppliers if the categories are asking for too high prices. thank you very much. well, let's get more on this european, the plan from christian yann's, and who c e. o of green power, denmark in copenhagen. welcome to d w. if the a you have a target of ditching russian fossil fuels within 5 year, how much of that gap do you expect will be filled by wind energy? i think that must be the majority of the gap because wind energy is the only source that is large enough and cost effective enough to good scale into what is needed
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right now in the plan today. percent about the north sea and the offshore when there is a huge step forward to get european independence from russian gas. so i like to commend the prime ministers of germany, belgium lens and denmark for taking this. did we need this and we need even more to get independence from russia. it's extraordinary. i would say we have known for decades, we've all known every school child will tell us that we have to win ourselves off of fossil fuels. we have to make this transition to renewables. why is it taken a war in ukraine for the a you to take this seriously? well, sometimes when you need to act on problems, they need to be right in your face. and they cute if problems are further down the road, you can see like perhaps we should do all the problems. but now the problem is really concrete and right here with us today, we had
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a problem with russian gas and oil. and we had the problem with the climate, and those 2 problems are coming to get that one solution. was it like to from europe and to do that with renewable green electricity, primarily from so when is the thing, the space changes always sound lovely in the abstract, but they end up costing us the consumer. by that the start, we know that creating the infrastructure for offshore wind farms. it's expensive, especially deeper waters. we're in the middle of a cost of living crisis. so how much is this going to cost us? how much will consumers end up having to pay more for energy to repay those capital investment costs? actually, my prediction is that consumers will pay less than we do right now with the high prices of energy from natural gas and from all the fossil fuels. if you see the trend of the years, the price for renewable energy has dropped and dropped and drops. if you go back to
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the 1st would fall off show that they're not produced in $1001.00. we had to pay a loss subsidy from the state in order to create that would fall. and if you take the latest that we had produced and then model plan and then mark it is actually the operators who pays the state for the right to use the land in the north sea. so going from a state subsidy to a state payment is the trend right now, we need to go to think very carefully where you need the scale. how much can the investors pay for this? and do we want to continue to have the race to the bottom with the workforce and the working conditions that we see iraq rolls, or will we have your pins then of sustainability, not only in the energy or also the production of windows. and it's so lovely, i'm so increasingly cheap and inexpensive. one wonders why we haven't done this before. well, we should have done it before,
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but both dishes should have taken action before, but instead of pointing fingers of what should have been done, i just like to be happy and pleased about what has been said and promised today that now we will strengthen the time for planning, we will increase the span of openness to where you can invest as an investor. and right now there are private in, this is our pension funds, who want to invest without a subsidy in renewable energy. and so that on the market price. so this is a new sensation, this is a new way. i haven't been you. without a quick word on the environmental impact, i will, the explosion of all this underwater noise from all these newly created wind farms effect marine life. it would be ironic if i knew green energy sources ended up being environmentally catastrophic. well, 1st of all, that will be areas in the north sea and other places that should never have wind
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farms. they are protected areas that should continue to be totally protected from fishery and from offshore wind. but what we can see right now is some of the results coming back is actually telling us that it could be good for biodiversity. if you have wind farms and the fundament and the sand in areas, they can create that best environment for plans and fish. and other animals in the sea. so i will not say for certain that this is bad to buy a t. it could turn out to be good if we're planning green energy and good environment for the fish at the same time. thank you so much for joining us for christian johnson from the green part demo. ah, the u. s. a soccer federation has reached an agreement to which will say it's men's and women's team and research teams receive equal pay. the deal which runs until
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d w o . ah, this is the w news line from berman nato's expansion plans in jeopardy. turkey blocked talks on finland and sweden joining the western military alliance, and nato ambassadors failed to reach agreement. also on the program, moscow says nearly a 1000 ukrainian fighters have surrendered to russian forces in mattie of their

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