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it will dodge it. de la auto shop with us. you'd want well i got it. you're gonna do to keep many stunted b sullivan boys. you know, why out of much mobile, that was he thought he stuff were well, where did the kind of learning we do in schools come from him from about 300 years ago. and it came from the last and the biggest of the empires on the spanish imagine trying to run the soul without computers, without telephones, with data, hand written on pieces of paper. and travelling by ships the victorians actually did it. what they did was they created a global computer that's made up of people. i was again,

100. you could have been with us today. it's called the bureaucratic administrative machine. in order to have that machine running, you need lots and lots of people. they made another machine to produce those people . the school the, the empire was gone. so what i'll be doing with that design that produces these identical people. and what are we going to do next? me with me. ah,

me. followed up with the fact that we take them into the idea is to have a complete glass front to a building here. hey guys, i'm selling a vehicle. donald j donald god, was it? what i got to pay that was don't try it out of a bottle. i was having a good. i mean it wasn't pulling me down wondering what it sometimes of the how well i should i use sure done. and i'm not a doctor. anything american on one of the show when i me among them here beginning with

a dental, i mean, you know, run nothing, no doctor, any of the other guy and will need it. they will in the abilene police department, i only got like a big la ne robert yakobelli. i'm not sure i went on, it would still be i'd see you back. what did i look, actor help with that? a lot. actor boutique shall no one like the mileage on may good college on, on the casual. no one is it that that john dr. alicia, bon general with the quote i got good jog aah! on the day and they get a wanted to get to it. i needed tell you that

it took you to come on, somebody that was on the shady, just arby connect you by the time, is your computer donna or come back? i can look into the wanted to learn talk bad news you with did you wanna get a get you when i get there? well, what about the domain for getting it to one? 0 oh 0 one me for a moment to be added to 180. uh, ford slum v a z should the one that was for

my hobby. i mean one of those would be the way i'm going to need to move along with the i got i got a yellow dog at the top of the, the leak up my jo. darma you because you have to be able to meet with you and what, any one of what i mean with it. i don't i didn't, i was, i had to go a boss. not all of the name i with the one do do do it as little who are the stuff with we don't want to be spare parts for the great human computer. do we? so we need to design a future for learning what is now called the school in the cloud is i think a combination of

a lot of surprises which have come to experiments in the last 15 years. ah, the whole, the well experiment was an accident. i got this job teaching people how to write computer programs. one day i decided that i wanted to give a computer to some children mindy, because i just feel a little irritated about the fact that i was in a nice job in a nice place. and there are all these kids who didn't have anything at all. ah, i made a hole in the, in the boundary wall of the some next to my office. i stuck a computer inside it just to see what would happen. i connected high speed internet do it. it's about 3 feet off the ground, turned it on and left it there in back after a couple of months, found its play games on it. and this army, they said we want a foster processor and a mentor mouse that resides were that groups of children without any adult

supervision and figure out how to use a computer. it's not a big deal to be, but it was a big deal in 1999. and that the do this quite rapidly. it's not as though every child is learning everything. they groupie and the succeeding groups. the 1st part that came to my mind was of insects because insects do the same thing . i mean these can build accidents together, but no individual be could build a i've i had no background in education at all. i had no option left but to use the only subject they knew, which was physics, to try and explain what was happening. i started to read up on the on existence systems we saw of an order in and under certain circumstances,

they form maintenance. ah, if you have a completely ordered condition, then nothing much happens. then what in physics you go static equilibrium. ah. and then you could have a completely chaotic situation and things happen totally at random. in a way that's also not very interesting. but in between the 2, there is a order line which physicists call the edge of chaos. and at the edge of chaos, everything happens. you get spontaneous order, with derby limbs, you get flo, you get forces coming in and structure. the beauty i, i had no hesitation than in saying that, but i've seen that and the hole in the wall, how to leave your to on day one. and then this want any, or the starts to appear with different children doing different things. ah,

is it without supervision left alone with an unknown machine in an unknown notion of information are behaving like a hive or like a thunderstorm? could it be that learning? is that something that happens to people when they're at the age of chaos? the whole in the wall was sufficiently unexpected that i needed to drop whatever else i was doing because there was no way to continue being a nice satisfied computer program. and i had to find out how they were doing that. that led to a whole series of experiments and finally, all the way from new delhi to newcastle. oh, my wish really was to make a facility for children where they can learn in groups and the facility which would

not look like a classroom. it's a facility which is practically on band. it would be called the school in the cloud by a tag attend. this is your 1st lesson and project design. i'm really pleased that you chose to do this subject as an option, choice fiduciary phase. and today's less than, i'm gonna tell you a bit about the example that you going to duke is important that you understand that in the context of secondary education today, where we're, there's an increasingly prescriptive list of content that students have to cover. i don't think that schools have an answer yet to how they use the internet in a meaningful way. again, we're actually moving away from something like the internet being a useful resource. the best way to prepare them for the exam is just constantly

going over the content practice, practice, practice. it seems a bit relentless, i believe, very strong, nay. that my responsibility is to make lifelong learners. i contacted to gotcha and said how interested i was in the holding the wolf project, where they were engaged in learning. they're excited about chess. i once had boss. i don't know how to boot at school in the quote because i've never been with i didn't quite know who he was. so like i went away and reset and i found out who he was and i was really surprised that he would come to our school. this is the basic hardware, what 6 computer, the board, one screen with skype and blue and big screen with the connect the next books. so i'm trying to figure out a design where to be easy to cluster around computers. a single lease,

which i believe is speaking, belongs to children and is run by children. and they receive a good. that's what's going on. it's a great big experimental thing is, what should the place look like? that's what we go to discuss. kind of right, right. if warm you could have like, or if that was in the squishy chairs like that. so then grab some of old and maybe like white board or chill on something that can like almost interact with them, say killer tables because the paypal layer in some departments are pretty rubbish for group work. it's just a very old tired to classroom. and we took the children in math, but i just said, right, if you had to find a room for learning, what would you want? this is really cool knowing that something that you've designed is going to be up. i'm really looking forward to it because i just wanted say how it all works in runs

when it's up and running. all. hey, kenneth. good. oh wow. good. how in this this is it? i just hadn't said at sullivans mint. nice 30 man. yeah, i'm just dying to see the children in here like oh oh oh my god and for the good thing, since that on the coffee over the age to just right up to one and start doing from then is so body no one the one is i know there'd be a lot of people who would be suggesting

a lot of things that they could do. but if you suggest something to the child, it always be glutes. things that, that child could have done if you had not suggested that i want, i hello. hello, i'm in need of god. it's hello la, how is it you know the proposition that if you just give kids a piece of technology they will learn is attractive. but it's not barlow and i will develop world of the developing world. as scenes to gotta talk many conferences and i was quite impressed with the idea because it was bold if not

a bit utopian. but with all these ideas you really got to test them on the ground. unlike most academics, i actually went to see a hole in all projects and was shocked at what i saw because there were literally holes in the walls. there were no computers lose walls and it lasted 3 months. and the people in the school were quite bitter. you know, a team had arrived drilled for holes in the wall of the school. the internet connections barely if ever worked. the kids just played games on them and the whole thing dropped off after 3 months. this me actually result in a form of education colonialism where we just parachute shiny objects into these countries and hope for the best of it's not as though beloved criticism, i think it makes my blood boil, let go what it is, right? i mean, that would be devastating if you look for one of the all and hole in the wall sites

in india, it would not be working. maybe the structures do there was an empty hole with no computer. it wasn't sustainable. but the hole in the wall is the concept. the fact that children can self organize their learning and only in to me that was established by the original experiment. the experiments in the english schools, they really explained a lot to me, which i perhaps would not alone in india. the 1st thought that came into my mind is that who died not drive this process with questions. we pounded sole s o a leave the self organized learning environment. once you've introduced the concept of the soul, then you have to raise a question. generally in the form of i wonder why and i wonder what if you design

the question right? the question will do the job for you. it was seen a dear drop, right? so my question is, wire those drops? pointy at the top, and roundish at the bottom. okay, if you go then, ah, like really so it must be on like lawn. and then like as it comes to proceed from lunch and it either, can you drop it down in bed? yeah, that either answer with involve do concepts, gravity and surface tension and lead them through the atmosphere because of gravity at raindrops have mall flattened to bottom. and around and talk until they, i went to palm with the bus, increase of the pressure on the button. and resistance is the point. you bet. it's

really hard to start off with because sometimes you just don't get it. it almost resemble a fish that's been thrown on it with beach, if flopping around aimlessly for about half an hour. and then you finally get into the water. oh you, i'd say i really like it because it's independent. sometimes your friends can teach him more than your teacher connor in a certain way. if i couldn't get the basic been sebu accepted that given the presence of the internet. if children are allowed to wander in a g arctic fashion, they will crystallize at all and big ideas. so how do you know any of these websites? so reliable and knowledge? i look like a website, a control group. i think teachers do feel threatened by it was though scott was saying, we don't need teachers anymore. and that's not how i see so little. i think the role of the teacher in a soul is vital not to help them find an answer,

but to help them understand how to construct an answer to a really big question. right, this is my big question for you, or the little ones will just imagine, what would life be like in the future? could robots ever replace humans? that's your big question. you're going to work together as a group, and at the end of the lesson, each of the groups is going to tell me what they found. dobbs ah, [000:00:00;00]

ah, shaun. how do you spell robot? oh, wrong. the wrong kind of a dimension. ok. to go up to a group and say, why don't you try this keyword, or what have you found, sean? do you know, look at park? the book clicked, the childhood here that sentence says, do not try any other. so you'd actually restricting, rather than guiding. yeah, i've been teaching 15 years now and that confidence to step back from the relationship that you have normally as a teacher in front of the classroom and be a part of the learning on the sidelines has changed the way i teach is this combination of big question and collaborative work in the internet and fewer computers than students so that they have to collaborate. this is something that

feels different to teachers. room. wayne condra took over by will watch. what is will you dinner will what? right. no. how did i know what to do well? no. off top. i didn't know what to think. no. there's no small smart rule box on the robots, cur, vegan grabbed to do anything. in a soul, it's the interaction between the children which is causing all this to happen. it's the conversations amongst themselves that really generates the learning that they do, if you will let sort of reflect the way no jobs in the world robots could never take over. what because called just nevada and back we feel that log should look good. i mean, but a lot of my work gets interpreted as oh, he doesn't want any teaches any read and he thinks that schools are obsolete and

therefore should be done away with i wonder whether the kids were learning anything or whether they were regurgitating things that they were finding on wikipedia. anytime he finishes with us, we don't have to read. we're going to have to write. we don't have to see this misunderstanding buses that i'm trying to say. teachers are not required, which is completely wrong. that's not what i'm saying at all. i'm saying the teacher has to do something different. the teacher has to convert a content into a question that would enable the learner to derive that content a combo. that is to kids who god gently, johnny natalie. he could go to look a little hung up on my,

on my eyes to be good at what d b. i d, shasky, rama your good, big busy his dear kind of dow. what if she has any slider, boy say, hi, rob, getting a deck the day. this is

a huge with when the 1st dog and then you have this spontaneous group formation. and then after a while, you find this kind of flocking. everybody's on to one group, visit with me because that group has found something interesting. and then the di flock, and then you find new groups with

that, you know, go about on my telephone. i look, i want to live with monica, is it that the i'm looking school at suddenly the level of the law does a look good. let it go. look it up. people are cuz we got, we got together about a little did i look up with your body when i got well, he's under bill. it doesn't, don't get got. i got a got a the i, i

and your family may be you i saw in our school and he wanted retired teachers to chat children in india. and before i knew it, i was talking to children in chicago. i wanted to test the limits of the system. family speaking, children in a south indian village teach themselves biotechnology in english, on their own. i put a hole in the computer this downloaded all kinds of stuff from the internet about d n. a replication came back after 2 months and i gave them

a test. the schools had gone up from 0 to 30 percent needed on to but 30 percent is a failed. and how do we get them to? but encouragement seems to be the key. i couldn't find a teacher. what i did find was a friend that they had a 22 year old girl who was an accountant. i said use the method of the grandmother to stand behind them whenever they do anything you just say, well wow, i mean, how did you do that? what's the next page? gosh, when i was your age, i could have never done that. i mean, you know what granny's do. so she did that for 2 more months. the scores jumped to 50 percent, which is what the bar schools of new delhi with the trend, biotechnology teacher, we're getting for an adult to say to a child. i know

a very interesting question. i don't know the answer does something to a child who thinks that there is a possibility to make a real contribution to the consciousness of an adult. this is jay fish j, but does the jelly fish rarely look like that? when the session is going well, those children are leaning in totally engaged a dozen. you got that one working with e, u e d d e e l,

a u e in w two's in indigo in one. yes, the medium is good to don't need the mask on them. they go to the gym makes good or if you go to your bill down or do it on look what do you do? don't get on board with cracking software. so it is a good that you, i don't, i, he was about to lose you so much. a

a 0 b b. i did girl with without the internet for a guy. he became dead. a few children listlessly playing the same games over and over again. then we got it back up. ah, i think 20 megabyte per 2nd speed,

which is unheard of in that area. and godaddy woke up from the dead with everybody near to downtown laguna, the one i wanted in middleton tosh. quick, long winded, but i wanted to kinda get marketed on what kind of what the dog i'm should i was i house in the 8 i wanted, but you're gonna be approaching me. no, i'm not going to take them. wouldn't. i don't mean to shout in the warriors away. she ate what the one was shocked to sit, waiting for you with

oh, i know i can come to the computer, shall we do some work to be elements where the body can join a hole? can you see. ready yeah, okay, let's have day. i have you see no m a another

so i started to get coordinators to open and close the place, set up sessions with the grannies to do all those things, which i thought would happen automatically. but there was something that i had not expected at all. i wanted one demand. i have no idea what my body writing anyway many people with no background in education within to a school in the cloud and by them with an interest in children, become experts. at many, many inmates of education, they have become my biggest practitioners. with some reason, i don't want to love, think of me as a teacher always they will stop coming if they feel it's like school,

but i need to communicate with them. generally we give the question more or less every day. and when i'm going to give a question to the children, and they are not getting the interest to start the question, they will not start the proper answer for that unit. do lead a story. he started giving questions to the children to solve. the one i remember was does to morrow exist and the children used a combination of being only 2 english translators. and the answer they gave was that to model does not exist because it cannot be experienced. it's not a question of where the children need the internet, but it's a question of whether children need to know how to learn more affluent children and

have people who will help them to learn anyway. but it's children in desolate areas who really desperately need to know how to learn. and i know that the internet does that. i'm willing to take a bit that the evil influences of the internet, which will of course be that will be considerably less than the good it does. ah, no. i already so i can get in court with when i went outside i had this big jacket

with my life. i how is it your phone good. i'm like wow, if i want them away, i take the train you oh wow. i'm a dummy. i need help ah, wanting me to put it on a mother that the dad on the boys will,

will never let about about my little bite about the bathroom. got it said when it was a ported at the corner. and what is it that anybody as me miss? i'm bob bob. bob. bob, i wanted to kind of get down and i was like what, how did the damon say one of the by the targeted by the bars the wasn't supported. yeah. got it. oh oh, is it better than what i would, what am i going to get it over? they would have it in. no one of the big included

with the system looks fog road, memorization of facts. you're supposed to sit alone. you're not supposed to use any assistive technology, you'll be asked a question, and you have to produce an answer from your head. why? why any of these? in light, we use the internet and we talked to each other and we look at how somebody else does it in life. it's called best practice to kind of robinson crusoe examination if he was stuck on a deserted island. and in order to figure out how many cocoanut soup and get you needed to solve the quadratic equation, then your big code in education was saved the day when a lot of electricity stoves in the culture of learning here has changed and shifted

massively. because teachers think differently about how we teach and about how children learn. we've got 3. yes. now, if data and every day is me trying these things out, sharing ideas. i think it's just the beginning. ah, one would have thought that at the end of 13 years, the school in the cloud will just illustrate everything that hey, could predict any labels, anything like that. ah, it does fool many things in a new point. it brought in new questions. that's the best thing that he says project can do is not so much produce fiances as to produce the next set of wish

ah, the future is rushing. mm. and we need to prepare children for the new. would that be a going i a pulse with the beginning of

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