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side. ah, they chant serbs and russians brothers forever. and we don't need the e u. we support the russians because they are our brother is. what is this letter, stanford interest or victory? what does russia mean to you? russ corona, it's al brother land given to me. it's the only country upon serbia where i could live for the great people, great culture that are simply the fact that russia exists is good news for paula. uh huh. who was this for? for austria, austria, austria the enemy. why did she say that straight off? ah, these demonstrations
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a regular fixture since the start of the war in ukraine are organized by a far right group called the peoples patrol. their self declared aim to free ukraine of nazis, russian brothers. but civil and these bad times, we will accompany you on the way to the kingdom of heaven will very little long live serbia long live russia. oh, goodness, november 1st and foremost, and i support the russian people when they're completed in think i for a while and i thought i should have intervened. and ukraine wondered, a little, saginaw, god, the russians have been dying if there's one other, there have been atrocities on the don bus region against the russian. people realize that that's why i support this operation. i don't, i hope it's brought to an end as quickly as possibly with the view as possible victims. you know that the denot allocation of ukraine icon. yes. reality feel slighted? oh,
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the russian war of aggression against ukraine is re interpreted here as an act of self defense. russian propaganda is accepted at face value. ah, belgrade is the only city in europe besides istanbul, still operating flights to russia. 6 6 ah nadia keith oliver and said gig cavity love have left the moscow for belgrade. they've been living here for 4 weeks now. he's a photographer and she worked as a food designer in the advertising industry. when the russian economy collapse to because of sanctions and their work began to dry up, they decided to emigrate their debit and credit cards no longer work abroad. in moscow,
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they emptied their bank accounts and exchanged their roubles for american dollars on below. they are now making ends meet with this money. i have no even one minute of thinking. come back and rush. i think at the way is close there. awesome will a dangerous situation and we don't have some future in our children. don't have some coaches there. the stalls in the city center are stocked up on russian merchandise. the couple from moscow was familiar with the nationalist symbolism from back home in belgrade to they're confronted with the face of commander in chief putin on t shirts. the military is glorified here. a lot of
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people here is just supporting russian government supporting war and thinking. the hutus doom great job or slowing people we don't think sold where the firms and the reason we're here because we don't feel good in russia and we have to escape somewhere. we can say that ria is big lead, sees the server log, you can just lay it. what is it? am we're feeling better here because people are more friendly for russians m b. i can see where using these friendships for as long as proven remains in power. this couple has decided that they have to remain refugees or is begley c as the serve. say they're determined to start over here. many serbs feel so close to russia and such a deep rooted skepticism towards the west because of their own experiences of war.
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23 years ago in spring 9099 nato bombers attack serbia. following the collapse of peace talks with the serbian government, the aerial bombing was intended to stop the displacement and the murder of kosovo, albanians by serbian troops in what was then the province of kosovo. alex, a good above it was just for when bombs fell on belgrade, the events have been seared into his memory. i have literally killed. this is what the cell is. looks like where we sheltered from the nato air rise cell to formidable. no one knew what to do, hot my, the car, we didn't know whether there would be an as strike or not him. if
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a bomb hits the building or will it to lapse into the cell by the most god, how will we survive that? always? there were a lot of questions we'll talk what we just said from royal hide when you're quite nice when it's in a moment like that. what instinct triumphs are the lodge additional visions think that i when i went to college after the sellers were fooling sounds, as i recall that everyone who lived in the pablo lunk was inside the neck as well as people from other blocks who didn't have sellers left okay, it was crowded mortal doing people spent hours sitting on the floor of the pool pool michigan soppy, massapequa sat on the door. ah, at 1st alexander's family fled to the cellar. every time the air raid sirens sounded, days or weeks into the bombing campaign, or they just stayed put in their apartment. oh, alex, as parents still lived there? yeah. his father was in ukraine for work at the time of the bombing raids. the rest of the family in belgrade ray, on this last left,
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it became clear to us that the bombing would go on for a long time to sell a polish. we couldn't spend a whole spring in the cellar yummies. there were people who did that, but i had to try to lead a normal life was when i came out with small children. there was no question of staying there in the cellar crockett pharmacy the nato bomb struck strategic military targets. but as the campaign went on, civilian infrastructure also entered the firing line. the chinese embassy in belgrade was hit on the night of may 7th, 1999, immediately followed by the hotel yugoslavia alex as family lived in a block right between these 2 buildings. so it's just around the corner. so most of the machine, our windows, look out onto the chinese embassy ali the, when it was hateful of, i was home alone with my young children from all of that. so we fled to our
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neighbors on 50 their apart on local, under the hotels yugoslavia, which was then struck by a bomb to pluck with a soon thought he had made the right to remark, bustle, michael, that's more ball on the same evening for fulfilling in our neighbor's apartment, we all sheltered under the dining table to shield ourselves from flying glass and like a bed. we had no idea where to go. in the end we just hid under the table in the summer garden. the 2nd said, that is my 1st memory, little dog, but of the fear of detention the wrongs throughout the sirens. furniture born bas serena, and if i remember rightly as a powerful earthquake owner cuen all good omens, animals auto dis, just way shouted the windows. those are some immediacy by living, the smell of fire, the fire engines, civils. i wouldn't wish that on any one luck, never monica boylen austell. it took a sudden,
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you've got all them portion of junior. after that night, they left serbia and joined alex as father and ukraine in safety. a sole, ga sachem tamitra. there where bombs are now raining down like history is repeating itself. it's awful most. the nato intervention lasted 78 days. you can still see some signs of it in serbia to day. it's impossible to overlook the ruins of the former yugoslav defense ministry in belgrade. a 100 meters from alex as apartment behind hotel yugoslavia. the damage caused by the bomb strike is less obvious. with a truck, if you live up, there are 3 holes right through all 3 stories where the bombs dropped and then exploded. down below a $100.00 exposure to la resentment towards nato remained strong.
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it's regarded as the aggressor whose bombing campaign led to the loss of kosovo. cockle, mister turner co comin, bumble. what would you think of some one who's bombed jehovah dalbert at ease, but i don't think that it was a good move. missing the locally close to his eyes, the nickel n organization that propagates freedom, democracy, and peace. democrat them nick over to an organization that is meant to protect people make can hardly justify its bombing of civilian areas, form but of the line im nikki civilly. but also the actual awfully, i'm damn ne, so in the way that the average ukrainian condemns russia, he saw most lot of the young all motors, no not older. you just create hate that lasts much longer than it takes to refill to ruin. saw that article fibula called or victim. the
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scars of war are also very visible on the headquarters of the serbian state broadcaster, journalist nino, but i of it used to work here. nowadays he's the chairman of u. n. s. the journalists association of serbia, which stands up for the rights of journalists. a plaque lists the names of 16 employees who died in the bombing raid 23 years ago. and the word, why ah, that this serbian t v did perhaps broadcast propaganda. but it also showed the victims of nato bombings. ideally dead civilians, not military target yet based in the end, the t v building itself was atalla. this practice has been employed in other international conflicts. r g b stations are subjective to targeted attacks. the lesson,
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the world during the war is on serbian territory. russia was always a loyal ally, place, and so trust has grown in the country's big brother and speaking to r t afterward, liliana and sabo, lego village flick through the foreign news channels on their television. oversized, they see the rush news as the most reliable source of information is they learned russian at school. while the european union has banned the russian state broadcast or r t, formerly known as russia to day, you can still watch it, and serbia and linda swing joins. ashley mobiles. amazon. what are the why should it be banned? if, if to be well informed dish, you need to hear both sides, sonic and even our children in the west can watch rush and channels like i to say, it's only western europe that's taking action against them. i don't understand it, it dominey, but she asked emily where the mouth is. they are investing the equipment western media show the civilian victims of the russian bombings. while russian tv shows
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those killed by ukrainian troops. it's a battle to win hearts and minds to create the dominant narrative about the war suitable. so, oh, i schools, thought riddler, 20 years ago, i saw how the war in yugoslavia was being reported on from abroad. hilda, to the overwhelming majority of t. v reports consisted of lies to be largely to the law. tackle best selection among theater on the pictures were put in the wrong context luck. it was unimaginable that old bro. stone is obviously all the back. then i completely lost my trust in western media on black moves up and stumble. maybe it's just my personal opinion, city, but i trust russian media more loosely cuz they report more objectively on and honestly bush than it is. the stella russia has already won over their hearts and
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minds and the advocates of free speech and serbia don't think outlying russian channels as the right solution. the journalist association don't want our tea band here, may be they'll it. so it's a human right to have free media at the v. a banning media infringes on human rights. let's gabriela, dashing. a ban is only appropriate it media support terrorism. you insight hatred or violate the constitution. abraham shall go on in a case like that ocean you media can also be banned and democratic, stayed lawson's. conversely, my the but i knew me in public space. symbols of close ties between serbia and russia are very prominent with a clear pro russia election campaign incumbent, serbian president alexander voucher which was reelected in april
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oh, yoke. vela bit is a political analyst and writer. he says that the only candidate who would have one more votes than the serbian president is vladimir putin, himself to skepticism towards the e. u is greater than at any time since the breakup of yugoslavia. according to the latest polls, the majority of serbs no longer want to join. and last than years, ah, we could see the glorification of vladimir putin glorification of everything the trasha does. ah, so i think that this is just the result of that. and this is a, and this makes a situation very difficult for serbian, or tory if this and for in president forks each who even if he would like to make a swift from the russia to the vest. it's going to be very difficult for him because she created those narratives and he created that public which is strongly
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supporting russia. so i think that is a something that could not be changed over night. threaten meal, which has clearly been influenced by this climate of opinion by profession. he's a production manager in film and t v. but when he's between jobs, he works here to make ends meet. one look at his helmet tells you what he feels for russia is me up with the 01 and i'll tell you straight or i'll what i support the right of the russian people to fight for their freight out of up with i have no problem with telling you that up front. i honestly think that this is a battle between christ and the anti christ on. you know, over you'll ukraine is the anti christ lane. and although people say they're neo nazis doesn't know, not thought their anti christ on to christian. even if they were cross sony, so sony castillo, antoine,
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to christian. he says that he's come to this conclusion because he's seen a lot of videos of ukranian atrocities on his phone. would have thought if you shoot some one lying wounded on the ground in the leg and mistreat them, then you can't be a christian. when he got a christian would never do that. have you a christian would tie their legs together and take them prisoners when you, but they are mistreating people robin, do they have you also seen the crimes committed by russians and ukraine? oh no, i haven't. no claims. oh, nice of won't about. it's possible that they exist for the loyal but yes, i mean, i've also been to war, emmy said recently, will i know that a few people on our side did terrible things without delay. kiddos in flood. in the wars during the break of yugoslavia in the 19 ninety's he volunteered to fight in bosnia and kosovo. the idea of uniting all serbs in one state was one which serves
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were willing to use force to implement. but the plan fail. the bosnian serbs live today within the bosnian state and kosovo, has declared independently and he dresses this threat and values. the fact that russia has refused to recognise the independence of the break away province of kosovo. and his enthusiasm for russia is matched by his distaste for the west. beautiful also bore them. people speak about the rate of even prowl with a z that about people having the right to live the way that they want. and then the russians are suddenly cast as villains that have to be expelled is they're thrown out of theaters, what's radio stations and galleries he does, and they're monuments are removed. what's that about? it's hypocritical. so the only thing that i left is love for russia was instilled in him from an early age. well my go to for it was my mother and father brought me
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up to love russia. i would even as early, but on a healthy basis, not blindly. all the me who jail, i love russian literature, art and russian hero is so the russians have died in battle for us serbs since the 19th century gal. as usual, they came to fight with the serbs in the liberation from a turkish rule over the civil and so on. hook up a customer of what i didn't have, none of them that god saved putin, then there will be peace on earth. he beat me. that's my opinion. that may be, i'm also mistaken. pollution with him. so this is barbara. good. it's good singing a russian cossacks song, set at the meal, which is driving home for the weekend to get ready for the game with his favorite soccer club, red star belgrade, for that they put me through my other cuz i'll go get my soccer things out. so i to read them i, what does this jersey mean to you?
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this, the jersey is like an oath for me and, oh that, but i'd never put my club before my nature, the cool. the nation comes 1st to do and then the club. that's how it is for me. so men is not so serbia comes 1st and then red star belgrade. oh no, no, no. russia is in 1st place and then serbia and then red star, bell, gray, libya. that's the order of things for me. it will always be like that in my house. that will do it. why? which, why is russia in 1st place? because russia is the mother of j mike lou, the eastern serbian city of zaya, chad has been home to andre. even of since the start of the war and ukraine, he fled here from levine in western ukraine. is grandma and his sister live in z? i a chad blue. shortly before the
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russian invasion, the 30 year old was warned that ukrainian men would soon no longer be allowed to cross the border. he managed to leave ukraine and continues to work as a graphic designer, a job he can do from home. and just 11 weeks he's learned to speak serbian fluently and feels settled here. but i am of august although from lots of people i meet here they are like this done for russia. they are in friendship with raja and i i know what is their historical background of his friendship. so, but i don't find it a problem for myself because i cannot tell what other people, what they should law or that what they should. and they are free people here. they can, they can decide their friends no matter what. so it's not
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a problem for me. at all, a local journalist who has also the wife of on the sister wrote an article about him, fleeing to serbia. a val. nicholas de leon of ich, worked for the independent newspaper of done us, which is critical of the government sheet after the story was published. things turned ugly. many all the family faced a barrage of info. yeah. v. dim la strategic pothole effects, the supposed to be honest with you. support nato's and you are not see one person righty. oh, how the? she can even the teeth clinic. the article caused a storm on social media mentor. i context awful, martha caribbean. shortly after the article was published in donna's myself, my wife and andre were insult him and thought a guess where people called us nazi's and ourselves sympathizes. chevy book, also 7 asian. his will not and accused us of hushing up the russian victims and spreading misinformation about suppose it ukrainian wolves,
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mac advancing from oxy august cannot, with new shirt from the journalist knows some of the comment writers, personally, his neighbors are among them. mil ghost ayana, which is a sports teacher by training, but he was refused employment because he was told he had the wrong political views . he set up an office in his parents home and has been riding about local, social, and political topics for the last 4 years. post a social media storm like the one unleashed by the story about andre is a new experience for him on the war. and ukraine has polarized people propaganda cannot sunny. there is quite a bit of propaganda, such as in the magazine informa the front page headline was ukraine attacks russia . the own use type is likely alo or republican. i mean, i can't believe my eyes when i read them. no one did that. my article got the reaction that it did when i consider what kind of country i'm living in. it's not quite as easy as you are
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here in brussels. the russian friendly tendencies in serbia are being viewed with suspicion. serbia has been an official candidate for e u membership since 2012 this expert from one brussels think tank says you can't have it both ways. is quite clear that at one point in time, serbia has to decide either it's going to wholeheartedly commit itself to the european union accession and support the european union in all issues. particularly now with regard to the sanctions against russia, which serbia does not want to join it or it goes another way or and or so this is a, a clear decision that serbia has to take. and obviously, since it started that accession to go see ations, we expect them to,
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to follow that logically, to its conclusion. ah . in april, the serbian president had a symbolic message for the country's european partners with great pomp and ceremony . he presented the militaries newly acquired and modernized equipment. it included lots of aviation hardware from russia, modernized, mig 29 jets from old russian, and bellow russian stocks as well as russian helicopters through the new air defense system comes from china. it's based on the russian as 300 system. it is more or less a copy, but cheaper. the u. s. had worn serbia against making the purchase.
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possibly good pressure from embassies from the west or the east doesn't interest me . america, americans, russians, or europeans, is all the rest don't matter to me. it was while my decisions are made purely in the interest of the serbian republic, just or even if i'm alone in the world, much like what i been elected and over the next 5 years because i will take decision was to benefit the serbian people floors long live serbia threat i with me. oh, security hand list, alexander adage, says that the government symbolic gesture is a denial of political realities. serbia, is a member of nato, is partnership for peace program. to the dismay of the majority of serbs, so name of those to completely yes, olivia has the 2 faces easy math. one is for
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a domestic audience, a 2nd get the media shows russian weapons so that the pro russian elements which dominates public opinion, god gets the impression that the purchase of russian weapons is a priority for the serbian defense of is up there. oh oh. but in reality, the majority of weapons come from western states and on nato oriented amazon. emma not in the long term, the serbian defense industry is aiming to cooperate with the west it on the set. all the components of serbian weapon systems come from the west virginia bowl. as it says, up of russia has long been the big brother who has stood by serbia. and here war criminals like former bosnian serb military leader, dotcom luggage, or revered as heroes. since the invasion of ukraine, a new mural has been created, it's already been defaced and restored on a number of occasions. ah,
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