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psychosis is an awful illness. mothers, nightmare stories, june 4th on d. w. a. ah, ah, books have been revered as magical objects for centuries. they contain the knowledge of all mankind. and they use words to give structure to the world's overwhelming chaos. but printed knowledge is yesterday's news. the encyclopedia has been replaced by wikipedia. but what does that mean for us? 55000000 articles in 300 languages,
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all written by volunteers. any one with a computer can add or change a text or write new articles any time they want. but how? wikipedia has replaced all other encyclopedia are we now dependent on a monopoly? is every article, credible? what is fact and what is fiction? and just who are the writers mm. to net close to the why do volunteers from around the world spend their free time editing wikipedia really a freely licensed encyclopedia means everyone can copy it. read one sharon,
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you can do anything you want with it. it's a gift to the world. wikipedia boy said it is an extremely visionary project that brings make at their very different price. if you the, the stock fail, sweeney vice when share yo knowledge. wikipedia is important in some ways. i'm how you some we have your voice there. oh, well, being a part of the change that is happening or not convicted, stop allah. and with controversial topics, the authors are sometimes paid, not bothered by the state or by companies got to put a few and this is against the rules. little h liners are supposed to be volunteers seen them. we meant to somewhat comfortable in the area. i mean, for me it's is a, it's a very important it's, it's a vision of what i would hope the world could be like. ah, l been woman is from peru. he's a computer scientist at the technical university and ins. brooke,
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let us go swing through, sounds good and it was the most i knew we could. pedia is one of the most interesting things have come across recently. that can help me save the casual language. a little bit of guitar done as to the other commack chromebook. i've spent years learning how to generate and process data in spanish, but now it's time to do it and catch one. it's more into the empty color in a get drawn. quam on wants to bring more visibility to his culture and wikipedia seems to be just the tool he can reach the whole world. wikipedia has visited 20000000 times a day in germany alone. an average of $17000000.00 new articles are posted every month globally. former managing director of wickham, media deutsch land pub, alyssa calls himself a fan boy and has written
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a book about the history of wikipedia, thomas wikipedia. i'm vague wonder at it to my name is glen wikipedia. one of the wonders of the world. he gave me 1st because it's the largest collection of knowledge that has ever existed on them is as of a that's pretty impressive, right? face v d 's is and 2nd, it's about how this collection was created for the zips. wikipedia is completely self organized, whom no one person calls the shots soon. there are no chief editors. can bosses are predefined rules. me ways to go with the founder jimmy wales. and i simply extended an invitation. typed an insect come in, right, and encyclopedia. and figure out how to do it. a put says that is the real wonder of wikipedia has vog evade. wouldn't hinder vicky pedia but who is behind this wonder? it turns out that's not so easy to find out. most of the authors behind the wikipedia don't want to give up their anonymity by having their real name connected
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to their user name. the anonymity is for ms. angela. spell anonymity as a form of protection because i don't feel 100 percent safe here and will not put whether it's docking or just getting trolled up. guess thoughts of adolescent you meant v as that is undergoing fidel journalist and voice over artist elk. a coping has written for wikipedia for 10 years. she had us on the other end, wasn't thus released on how an of m. i am amazed at the kinds of achievements women have made in motors 40 by the very long distances may have traveled on the highway like lane one time around the world, or halfway around or writing a motorcycle to afghan, a stand alone huston. i find that fascinating than it and when i write an article about that kind of pricing, i am kinda traveling with that one that just by writing for wikipedia, midday, mental at mit. mit is awful. wikipedia
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says any one can become part of its community. but how coping explains the goodness of an unbelieving utter again, he had some causal use of since viking. we can go into any random article like this one on emperor joseph. the 2nd was on, i happened to be a royal specialist and can say for sure that this state of death is incorrect and i'm a new list and we just go to edit on the menu above the name on with him and somewhere you'll find the edit button for now, you're good to go to const loose high and other authors can dispute how relevant the topic of a specific article is for the encyclopedia a discussion is then held on the article's discussion page. definitely ever
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insecure. how do you define what is relevant? finance, i clippy dia, relevance criteria. wikipedia were established at some point more than 10 years ago, and now they are as if written in stone stiff. dina, it seems time to mislead the criteria for what is relevant was drafted by the community itself online. and the set of rules is extensive covering almost all areas of life from astronauts to traffic law in thomas motzinger is a philosopher specializing in digital media and artificial intelligence. he has also had experience compiling classical encyclopedias as him classes. sure, alice will soon bye ashville order in this, in shafter she 1st deals in traditional journalism or in scientific publishing, lavon does, there are criteria or what is relevant on the 3,
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but media that is fed by a swarm you there is very vulnerable to popularity bias and that is of when popularity, excuse content doors, popularly tate, if relevant, was determined by the number of articles. then cars, for example, would certainly be considered relevant. there are an estimated 2000000 articles in 200 languages. and the numerous articles on video games are also always kept up to date few women become authors on wikipedia. but the few that do are often very active and influential. in the history of wikipedia, women who have often helped bring about major transformations to the movement and it's strategy. flow halls
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davila is the pioneer among these women. frank f, as in she co founded the french wikipedia and became the 1st executive director of the wicked media foundation founded in 2004 casual most it up to me when i started. no one knew that the project just nobody on the feeder, my family nor friends, some neighbors and colleagues who no one knew about it. and also it was like a secret garden. damn, all 3 of us started at the there was nothing, no articles, no content, no rules. yeah. we had to create every language it is all secret produce. it is resort traditional encyclopedia as we were just called
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to dish on bluer freaks trying something for sar that couldn't be done. it was ridiculous to think that naive internet surfers would volunteer to create an online encyclopedia yacht on that seemed at your tech level guess. and then in 2004, the wiki media foundation was found it. the organization represents wikipedia and i decided to run for executive director, you decided my personal to concern is hostile sheer lee. most clearly did. i had the great privilege of being elected. the quicker that was really mind blowing because i was suddenly on the board of an american foundation get to the george was an amazing the essentially english speaking community, early book it, it is not her mom griffith. don't go past all the luxury money. no. i then led a rather complicated life because i had a full time job with france, so i flew to new york for a tampa on days off for 3 days. while the field is off to war on new york, who are on ball. oh sure. portal. cibola took her 1st steps into the english and
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french language communities of wikipedia, 20 years ago. a place where one is to day an estimated 10000000 people speak his native catch while in 7 south american countries. with caleb with, he's like a puppy. if you can pet him with his very sensitive incident, we treat him well and he's happy mileage better find the box. why don't you find it while you want to play me there? if i can book good with,
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i want to 1st program i bought that will write ketchel wikipedia, particularly communist reflective at a local news as you can see and, and i want to motivate the catch community to participate. good trust, mentor, in a way it's a very similar situation with the savano community. the language of the same size, also $20000000.00 speakers. and the not an official language in the country while to beats. a savannah is my wife's native language. that's kind of the local and wonderful. i think it's really inspiring mean what you did with continuous in one. and so i'm really, really interested in that. i thought to make a basic set of articles that people to use as a model and that people can extend lowered a technical social for beginners. i tried to contact the code that you wrote and
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it's really, really expensive. and it's i can imagine i just come to line i just want to lot to work, but modifying the program to run the new language. it's not so difficult. oh good. good. good to hear a johonson is a physicist and linguist. he has made several one, a wikipedia, the 2nd largest in the world with more than 5500000 articles. all written by his bought a bought a piece of software computer program that is accessing the internet on its own and doing what they were supposed to do. and i bought them, they could be idea is a bought that will read and especially change wikipedia on its own
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fixing small things, fixing spelling arrow sometime, connecting articles in different languages or even writing you articles, which is what my boss is doing. and i have probably written more, we could be articles than anybody else about 10000000 of them in the swedish and in a while, no. and what i, what i to filipino languages, i looked at the wikipedia and said, well, no. and it was sparse. not much information there, so i figure do here i can really do something useful. ah, video said donkey video, a sponsor mobile business that they don't want me to one,
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please. ms. lucky minette lancey is a journalist and entrepreneur port. yes. all right. she's an advocate for free knowledge and leads various wicked media projects in cameroon. ringback but she has them all over to die. that me the work is voluntary because i fight for women's rights every day. sometimes women only make the news or the front page when they have personal problems. my phone, but all we see are women getting divorced or going to bed with someone about they receive much less recognition than men as well. but one is on my luck. elizabeth muncie and her colleagues, right biographies about african women who have made significant contributions. sat there may do this behavior got, wasn't he sabelle may do it helps chance hire young girls as well enough because it allows us to highlight women's knowledge and expertise. i couldn't do it on my own
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. i can write one or 2 articles a day. but if i educate other women, i know they will keep giving visibility to african women and african issues with the encyclopedia visibility from africa. why does to jaffe, su, selassie graffiti lonzey and her colleagues encounter little resistance on their articles. that's quite different with european or north american articles that are written by large numbers of male and female writers. now when who this is nikki video telling rose to some or if you want to participate in wikipedia, you have to have a thick again, a very, very thick skin to withstand attacks and even inside of can. and i think you also need a good community to support you where you can go and say they were being rude to me and you will be comforted. and so we are gonna do some tours long.
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oh said you are the, i mean we could be just him, but if he has not a gathering of stuffed animals, it is a ruthless environment. we keep it, you meet people who are from somewhere else, and i who think differently have a different religion and different political views on this is like and that's what makes us, i'm strong. boy, that's diversity. you know, but it's also precisely this diversity that makes it so complicated. somebody, there are power struggles and criticism. if you see a, there are a lot of difficult moments if you want to be part of the wikipedia community. i said you because you will come into a serious conflict with others adjusted when i'm older. mo, mo was dedicated georg hill goes by a different name in real life. we only know his username. he has a ph, d, and chemistry. and as an administrator and member of the german wikipedia arbitration board,
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he is among the most influential wikipedia ends. he observed off close the editing war over the article long life assayed a pesticide produced by monsanto. english was i've got to say feel, but i liked, there were many contributing authors for life assayed by it was on 2 of whom stood out. one person was pro industry interesting. i'm the other very pro environment cea one vote for bonds non posit soon i know that out one var and one was a newly created account but knew their way around wikipedia vehicle. so there was a suspicion that they created the account just to edit this article. and you, bob tony's, as i think it's ugly food munich. now, nico, would you please confirm that you are not paid to write and are not professionally involved in the manufacturer, distribution monitoring or testing of products with life a sate? i'm not a paid writer and not
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a g lobby as attribute p. s. even paid writers and lobbyists can contribute good articles and unpaid writers and non lobbyist the can spout nonsense each lobbyist and please stick to the point. i will be the right. i think it was i'd campus. i'm from biting out one mid exclaimed platoon. both authors with extreme positions and like life a said article made unacceptable edits of we did so because they were changed, we don't look as it's the pro industry author inserted an article without mentioning that it was financed by monsanto. dasa sienna studio for months until in antarctica him, either from monsanto finance. yet listen, shuffling his studio in an article, anger from florida on its revenue. jesse from one's on 2 peanuts, yet bold o. d and others i touched with yet and found to me the other author remove the study because it was not a neutral study. anger for the other author just re added it to the enhanced and it was removed again he, somebody, the student in the study was allowed into the article with a note that it was funded by monsanto on one central financing of the unknowns. i
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think voted and, and how much is then there was some exaggeration because glycine affects the intestinal flora beasen. and also this was then interpreted as making a bees become disoriented and then diet, if you will. but that was not in the source by 70 in a coalition on there, but not some industry non posit throw industry user was blocked over suspicions of being paid. i'm on and also because of lacking impartiality than had i in a bull for english, m t boned spoofing. highly of course, filed an appeal i do. this is called a blocking review. a test different mister, it was concluded that the suspicion couldn't be proven. and that the impartiality was not serious enough to block him permanently in the note. halley tatum, ne cubby, and can okay. so mean, do i have to spin dissipation? is this since every one was watching him just he then became inactive and hasn't edited for several years. and after i took a meal yonder community, it so simply made the most edits in the article in the
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theaters left. alice was obviously not watching. everything he wrote was bad. the point is to fine and remove the things that don't correspond to reality. the good things can stay and to and fan does was a quote, especially much lived single to you, the trinity discipline in the for who you of course companies are trying to insert their views into wikipedia. valuable. always be a david and goliath battle. he p r. corporate p r department's versus volunteers. but here we know how this david and goliath battle ended got him in the elk a gun. yes. my name is pit of what good ish been vicki? dana? it's been dought, vicky pete, and a deutsche bought my son's. i'm peter boot camp, a wikipedia, an unto highest atomic. i have 2 accounts in german wikipedia and get it. i use atomic cocktail for unpaid conventional edits adoption slightest. and then i have
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a 2nd account. i in fact, michael humbug alba t. where i am assigned to edit, and i even get paid voice. now clock hobbled on one of our become of any c vomited atomic cocktail has over $40000.00 at it's in the german wikipedia, mostly on contemporary history and politics. he has influenced 22 of those significantly and they've been recognized by the community as excellent. the highest distinction and wikipedia brightening even one article of this quality is considered outstanding. hit a vote because clientele has international and includes companies, institutions, and individuals. the condo that vince ish, i not positive that the customer wants to be represented favorably. wanted that there wish be, but an encyclopedia must be neutral. anderson. so these are 2 very different thing
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i'm on my job is to clearly understand and balance these demands. when is that, okay, and when is it not good does. so i have to make sure to reduce things to pure facts and to present them as soberly as possible, right? and sometimes i even caught in ty, apart just because one otherwise the entire encyclopedic system, passcode fall apart if it just became advertise 8 when as for an advocate formula here and find a form, i would prefer banding paid writing for beaten and i wish wikipedia would make that decision a few and shine is it would still happen of what the message would be clear said to be like, we don't want that. wikipedia is written by volunteers, even ugly. tatty is vicky pedia kind hash of like a video is not as face free of domination and i lose you any one who believes that is diluted. not so much be him, but you have power and wikipedia. for example, when you have time a little discussion, all discussions and decisions have to be decided by consensus. cbm is and these discussions can take an insane amount of time. i'd cross was cost of an article in
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that become launched as an article constant wikipedia. and what fact is matter when setting prices as a partial icon? i can't give you an answer that 80 pennies for that is always the answer. as a kid is, it's a very small change. it can be had for a few euros. and if i know it's a very controversial topic, right, and then it becomes expensive, and tim a followup conflict it done. but this toya vos in vicky pedia. what is written? wikipedia is believed when to begin. wikipedia is potentially a danger because it's not always aware of this power is pointers and so, but i didn't put tests today. lots of people are involved in this process of shameless self promotion made. gov, representing oneself in the media would order. and in some cases that involves smear campaigns, companion, and so if i were planning a smear campaign i had done,
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of course i would look at what i can do in wikipedia. the computer is thea mavita. i continuously see articles for subjective negative reporting on people after i can only shake my head. i can't save them all. children cannot mackenzie only. i love it and view tribe davina interger only running an encyclopedia here. see, and what happens to it is outside of our sphere of influence. damn it back, but that's too easy for wic opinions to be keeping it shabba. i really don't have any solution i saw and i also don't know how it could be changed because because the community is autonomy. self sufficient and very firmly committed to rules that were established years ago, uni on the list of law suits against wikipedia is long because under german law, any one who feels misrepresented can sue by judgements are only of limited use. because authors cannot be legally compelled to reveal their identity
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the foster lin, vicki media and then i see that if with the media and with the media, germany do not become more active for the along the courts were no longer be willing to accept this enforcement problem. as he was doing, it was probably get a skipper stimuli to the feel as a funder more tivo harden. there are certainly people who have a lot of their own reasons for doing what their clients tell them to do. miss you on whether that is about c, o 2 emissions or whatever. that's the basic idea of a meritocracy. i'm married in which the person who has done more for the common good is the most influential calmed, is actually very nice that cisco my invalid is here in his ear soon e d, i english. but what is this common? good, i see. so what exactly is wikipedia is contribution? what so good now lies the d v. k. pedia i and by a talk della has been trying to bring under represented people and cultures and to wikipedia,
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including through an elementary school project. and various african countries says also one of the was all the children are about 9 to 12 years old bunker. right now. they don't know much about computers, but that will change. don't resist the idea to help them acquire digital skills. i get them to collaborate on the internet and empower them to tap into free culture on it. look fairly quick, good one up in the kitchen. the project is also managed by the net lonzey, who volunteers her time. she travels to 8 regions of cameroon to supervise oil dinners, are low enough for, for my son were training teachers to use tablets and the wiki fundy tool. the tablet is due to refund ah ah
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ah ah. lit up, han i, g to be on the big led media. this is how the children learn to use digital media bussey to the under dia. this enables them to do research for the 1st time and facilitates the learning process. phil average, yes, ma'am. it is, what if i think it was because then when a child does its own research, they remember how it's done. memos a particular she she is in his office. this is because the children are very young. we 1st have to teach them to write in the style of an encyclopedia before so much doesn't come naturally. always a challenge with young children upon as it does last the salesman that live with us who can on highlight. so that means we want to present african history and content from our home,
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land it and make our knowledge available world wide as well. not wanting your see government is when you receive them. one fluency and debbie was produce content for french wikipedia, a language that is widely used. but what about smaller languages? internet resources are written in english and in a handful of other major languages. minor language is typically it won't find anything on the internet. and that's where young people are looking for information to establishing a presence. it will help keeping the, keeping their language live with help keeping the written language alive is will help to read the language. involve bands in sir. i'm running a bolts of course, i think that's a good way to do it. at least gabby, i don't think any significant content can be generated for wikipedia with artificial intelligence chron. assembly bargain. the both articles should be
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removed. and that makes me sad. and also the way some people are arguing the well bot 7 o feelings, but there is, there always humans behind the box ah, lot aren't currently able to do the main work and wikipedia writing good articles. but for martina hoge, they are indispensable. as a steward, he programs them to combat vandalism on a large scale. martin who is a classical philologist and software programmer. for the last 15 years, he's been a passionate wikipedia and he has done countless at it's is also an administrator for german and english wikipedia. and has uploaded about 250000 photos. from his partner bed father was,
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am i, it's under a puzzle, one booklet. my world was shattered when people started putting in really terrible things in the articles with me. i couldn't understand why my home focus, mood, failure, bruiser. it was just really deliberate, evil behavior house warned against persons against articles against groups possessing poems, zion, 36. if the sheriff, it might involve sexist attacks against women more involve protecting against child abuse or apply, can this miss paul fly and of thought she doing a hawk alarm via non photo, worse things were uploaded. like those types of things to this than yeah, these are the kinds of cases that we can media stewards have to deal with globally . not been enough on him soccer from one to highest ish. he does faith in. i'm one of about 35 worldwide, who just try to make sure that these very extreme incidents don't reach the active members who just want to write articles from or, and pictures. nautica shine via an order bid, and so whom on the fetus leisure eyes.
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it's helix helen at india, stewart, so tune hum, a lot of the cases that we have to deal with involved victims on the thing missing as well. but well, shalean fan the, we have to be very opaque with difficult cases, stuff like torture in child pornography and so on. our own to protect people and that's on. so should some need for what exactly do you mean torture as kind of i can't talk about it. nick, can you give me a hint? as it had auto detail sharpton? basically, authoritarian states and wikipedia doesn't only work in democracies. wikipedia exists in all language versions. my name is jacquelina clicked added iranian colleague. it's a visit from the police every couple months and is told, she's not someone wrote some nonsense. and he has access to sensitive data since such as logan data and made it so they can get that information. for example, the whole, the dot infamous owns malcolm ah,
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l been wyman has traveled to new noah his hometown and the peruvian andes, at an altitude of 4100 meters. he wants to inspire the catch while community to use wikipedia and his bought when the earliest i most go today, we have a special guest. those say good morning ellen, a living. could you explain catch why wikipedia engage and i didn't know what exactly is wikipedia. wikipedia is a giant book might be, where is it on the internet? not now why fi and facebook already use facebook? whatsapp, tick tock. and you know how these things work? can you take pictures and write textbook? oh, my budget can we can look at p. d is the same, but it's not
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a cooperation yet. it belongs to everyone. no one had a good job and i would like to invite everyone to know if you want to know more. we'll be meeting this afternoon. all of us together can make a change. it's up to us. just not just because i think we want to save our ketchel because we have to speak it and write it and i'm ready to help it. about the whole book. i program to bar called the empty, but it writes a 1000000 articles in a few hours the border as a group. we have to write an update articles ourselves, complet. i think what my feeling is in this, in the us. the catch,
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well also have to gather information from my phone and then just another big doesn't commute. so there we go again. and this is the beginning of something big that you don't like to bahama. understand. we will return and we will be millions. is that it was rejected, so it will be what we catch you a return and we will be millions. you get this. this is only the beginning, so thank you me in
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although there were 50000000 articles in which the p d. across the 100 languages. it's quite concentrated in the european languages, including english, chinese, japanese there's a few other big languages, but we're still lacking very far behind in a lot of the languages of africa. india, they're, they're growing, but they're smaller versions of wikipedia. a lot of the smaller languages around the world need a lot more work. it isn't the same as, as we came online in for the 1st time in the late 19 ninety's and, and in the 2 thousands people are largely coming online on mobile devices or dies. you know, the huge 1st wave of the internet in the developing world. and the truth is contributing to wikipedia editing wikipedia on a mobile device is always going to be harder. i am probably am is dust. these are
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one problem is that this realm of public knowledge is in danger of becoming a winner. takes all network survey adul onto my wikipedia becomes the only access point for 8000000000 people at this hour. but those who create that content a way less than one percent of humanity in hide pish, dimmed ah qualm on is fighting to make catch while culture visible on the internet. however, the world has long been dominated by big companies like google, apple, facebook, amazon, also known as gaffer, these companies transform the raw material of data into money. yes, whenever i spoke exist until wikipedia, a guy is weeks lpga relationship with gaffer city though, isn't it around 2005 or 2006, they made us afraid they wanted to buy us our finance us. the of, of, of,
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they wanted a business relationship or not, you know, we had to explain to them that, that was not our goal city. our goal was and still is re knowledge for every one of our hope. so we didn't want funding from big companies all renault because we aren't like them and they can't buy us, is hope you don't want up your time in december. we'll assume here another relationship emerge. difficult to understand that you have to know that these companies profit enormously from our content. and this has led to some difficult questions for us as scuse, is that okay, for the big companies that make a lot of money to use our data and make a real business based on our voluntary work, there is a business model which i'll book with oral cassandra probably knew what your shuffle fry is. bisman fry is now creating free knowledge. ivy and free doesn't only mean free isn't free beer that you don't have to pay for it. you could also free as in freedom. it is. that means that everyone can do what they want with this
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knowledge come. and that also includes commercial use through the audi colmerton a little bit. i don't know them all know at some point we got a little annoyed that big companies were making a lot of money off us and we contacted them. what is oh, we talked to them ra polly. we openly told them a little handout wouldn't be bad. recall and they understood and took our request seriously on here we regularly receive substantial donations from large companies or more precisely from the foundations that belong to them. these are donations that have no strings attached. we can do whatever we want. casino did looking proof . so vic, according to the suit, dines, had zeitung google donated $3100000.00 to the wic, a media foundation in 2019 amazon $1000000.00. these some seem rather small in comparison with the billions and revenue that have been generated with the data from the wiki projects. and i, this is as common congress ma,
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god else vicky period. when you now look at this conglomerate of wikipedia and the 5 fake american tank corporations at all. so it's a threat to our political sovereignty quite simply because power is being concentrated at various levels, not just financially, and then it also in attention economy. when yet, and now increasingly in the automated generation of knowledge on fund, this is out of st. ah, all that remains of the dream of a free internet is wikipedia. only about 100000 people, right, for around 4000000000 internet users worldwide. the number of authors is shrinking . pressure from interest groups is growing. can wikipedia is goal of knowledge by
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every one for every one still be achieved? in this moment, ah, the, the rise of, of anger, hatred, nationalism, fear of the other. we keep, it is the one place where you say no, like actually we're all human beings on this planet. and we are fundamentally all a similar jesse, confused for jeff. we've been around for 20 years. we can make it to 30 or 40. the keep wikipedia is in danger because wikipedia likes young talented in elizabeth danger, lies in the fact that people who read the articles increasingly say information is outdated. alba wikipedia isn't what it used to be done. fast winded vicky pediatric engineer lower than wikipedia will disappear very quickly from the top google results, etc. and will then perhaps be replaced by some corporate sort of in vowing dance with advertising card and for 9 are not supported by a community with its own interest. that's not true, the healthy men always with the danger of influence or censorship in
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