to settlement with russia, so in other words, cutting off any, any idea that the western sort of dictate terms or seek to set the framework of any future piece? no, that's for ukraine. they said that italy, germany and france had also said when they visited, you kind of the 3 lead is that that's why it's not new. but it's important to reiterate it because as things come to a head, particularly at the moment, it was seeing russian advances slow, but steady in the east of ukraine. the voices grow here and there, including among politicians in this country for some thoughts to turn, any way to what might, what might be a future settlement. and of course, the desire to see this war end is on everyone's lips. it's just that, you know, by saying we're backing ukraine. the moment we're backing it clear policy of driving, you rushing forces out of ukrainian territory and that is

a bottom line that he's very clear. i think as far as sharps is concerned, he says, you know, our approach is tough but cautious and i think what he means by that is, you know, joining in these endorsements of support for ukraine. and for instance, the pledges of more and more the incremental pledges, if you like, of, of weapons deliveries to kia, but at the same time as so stress is not escalating, doing anything that might escalate this war into a way to conflict. because this continues to p, of course, concern about that. russia, after all, is a nuclear power. but he also says that the g 7 nations are all aligned on this point. so although they may not use those same words, tough but cautious. he says at least that that's what they're doing. so i think we

may well hear those kind of those kind of ideas and that language from all of shots as well. yes, i had a bit of an image problem when it comes to ukraine. i think they have been supporting them, but obviously, you know, said a lot of criticism from inside and out for not doing things fast enough. i suppose so. and we'll have to say, i wanted to get back to, of course, the lunch time session with the leaders of the g 7 partners and these so called outreach countries, india, argentina, indonesia, south africa, and center goal. you mentioned briefly, how did that go? well, i think the important point they of course is for the g 7 to not look isolated, not look like it's some kind of rich countries club, which is often been the accusation. but instead to show that a t is listening to those countries as a country likes and a goal which currently holds the president of the african union. so it's got, it's got to influence more perhaps that usually has within the african context, but also large in tina which is leading the south american economic grouping at the

moment. and indonesia is hosting the g 20 meeting coming up in november of this year. so these are countries that have influenced the center of things if you like, and also they are recognized as democracies. and that's an important point for the g 7 to to make as well. so what was the meeting? well, it was about the why the concerns, i think in particular think price is hearing a lot of people saying, you know, well, you've got your war in europe, but we are suffering here because feed prices are going up. now, we've heard grumblings, for instance, from sallie mac, the senegalese leader is sort of saying, well, that's partly down to your sanctions against russia that are actually causing that problem. now it may be that to an extent, he's following a russian narrative there because that is something that the kremlin has been pushing the idea of the sanctions of the problem. but of course that's not quite

right. food is exempt from from western sanctions. but at the same time, it is also true that western sanctions have driven out the oil price. but then again, you could say the drill bus is going up because of the war. so of course these, these issues are all complicated, they're interconnected. and i suppose what i would speculate is that at this meeting the, the, the american president, jim and johnson and these other 7 leaders, we're hoping to sort of win some support for their view of things that you know, they're on the right side of history on this matter, and they're just taking actions that they hope will lead to an end of the war. and justin, as they see it, interesting what you say about synagogue. because, i mean, all 5 of these countries are likely to be quite affected by this food called the cost of living crisis is what you want to call it. do you think that that could likely bring them around maybe to a more pro ukrainians down?

well, i don't know that they don't have a pro ukrainian stance, but of course they also have to, they see that here, different context. they are they been to a greater or less extent trading partners with russia in the past. and it to the extent that they are all importers, they are, will, you know, so they see the problem with the oil price. i think cynical, interestingly, is looking at developing its own energy reserves, fossil fuel reserves, and that's something where they might again, get support from european countries for doing that. um, yeah, i mean, i think there's a debate going on and we seeing all the shots are emerging now as well, is, is taking to the podium who's standing here. and we'll go to that live. it doesn't look like he's going to speak shortly, is taken to the podium. so we will go straight there germantown to the owner, shelter speaking at the g 7 summit in bavaria

with okay, actually i think he might be delay. we were actually more that the statement would be delayed today, due to weather, so perhaps the proceedings are a little delayed. in general health, you're going to make a statement in the next few moments, but until then, simon. and we were talking about the, the 5 countries or the so called an outreach countries that were having a session at the g 7. not 2 of those countries. argentina and indonesia voted at the u. n. to condemn the russian invasion of ukraine, but the other 3 abstained, digit 7, late as use. this is an opportunity to try and get more backing her sanctions

against russia. well, i think, i think that as i was saying, i think that's broadly what that message is, but you need the need backing. they need to be able to say that it's not just the g 7. it's backed in the global south as well. and as we've said, a lot of these countries are under strain we saw, i think she's talking to the continued lead a just there. and, you know, i'll continue to is a country that has fossil fuel reserves, shale gas reserves that they'd like to export. so each country looking for its own interests, undoubtedly in this context, but you've got to see, particularly in africa. the food issue is, is paramount. i think a lot of north african countries, particularly, they import a lot of grain from ukraine and russia normally. and of course, a lot of that's not getting through that could lead to a hunger crisis. i think it is leading to a hunger crisis already. and that, of course, can relatively quickly escalate into civil unrest. and you know,

problems like that. those are the sort of problems that certainly europe doesn't want to see on it's doorstep. and so it's necessary to sort of have the, have the plans in place how we going to soften these effects. because as we know, you know, they are coming down the track it despite all the efforts that western countries can make. for instance, to rearrange energy markets. that's something that takes a long time today. and until then price is likely to be pushed higher. and that means paying for pretty well everybody, both the rich and poor countries. i do want to clarify for the audience as teachers that we were saying were in fact a replay of a bilateral meeting between chancellor schultz and the continued later. alberta fernandez were still waiting for that. we can see the pictures of the podium there . still, no one they're at it so i will wait a little bit longer. but of course, another key issue at the g 7. so i mean, of course,

climate change and the energy transition. now how much of that topic has been affected by energy supply challenges? we were just talking about it posted by the invasion. and of course, by those sanctions. well, i think it's forcing it's concentrating minds. you know, to her, to an extraordinary extent, the german government says that it is still on track. and indeed the g. 70 speaking as president of the g 7 that all countries are broadly still on track to meet their climate goals. despite these policy adjustments that we're seeing, and of course here in germany, we've seen the economy minister saying, well, we'll probably have to have a coal fired pass stations running again with green. a green minister announcing that of course embarrassing. i suppose you would say, certainly ironic for a i, a, an environmentalist to be supporting that they fought for decades to get those get

to get see the end of coal. and that has been decided, i should point out, you know, there's, though there's no rowing back from the ultimate direction of travel as they say. but, you know, a pragmatism has forced a rethink. that means coal will be running for a bit longer. but a lot of people are saying that's not going to be enough. you might have to have nuclear power stations running for a bit longer as well. they would g to be finally closed in germany the end of this year. so you know, there's the kind of rethink that's happening. but nonetheless, the, as i said, the german government says we're, we're still going to meet targets and we'll have shorts, had a key objective at this policy. and again, when we do hear his statement, i will hear whether or not he's been able to move that forward, namely, to found a so called climb club of nations that are committing to climate emissions

neutrality by 2050. and he says he really wants to get some momentum on the climate agenda. and out of this meeting again, it's good that those countries from outside europe, outside the western group, or via because they can of course, speak for that in the situation with these conflicting, you know, kind of conflicting issues, really like the energy problem and also climate change it's kind of sort of stay with us. we're still waiting for german chancellor, all our shells. but while we're waiting for the chancellor to address the media, my colleague, julius, i'll delete spoke with the head of greenpeace. germany martin. about how g 7 nations were addressing climate change issues. this at this year's summit, i'm here with martin kaiser. he is the executive director of greenpeace. you're me, mr. kaiser. the issue of climate change has taken a bit of a back seat here that the 7 in light of the war and ukraine being such a central topic. what do you have to say about that? i mean, particularly the,

the putting war against the ukraine demonstrates clearly that we are so dependent on fossil fuel imports that the issue of energy, serenity and climate change are so much intertwined. so we, we hope that to day at the climate day, the g 7 will make a clear statement that they want to faith out of coal and the combustion engine by 2030 and also give the burning of fossil gas an end by 2035 or so we're having this energy security issue right now. in the short term, the g 7 must not look in gas infrastructure l n g infrastructure for a long time from known because that would accelerate the climate crisis. the having to move away from russian fossil fuels is a challenge for g 7 countries, but it could also be an opportunity to move more towards renewables. do you think

the g 7 countries are ready to take that step? as a sickness are quite varying that she's 7 and not ready to do so, i think they are still addicted to fossil gas to nuclear end, to coal and oil. and we really expect that these leaders are re take, taking decisions in, on behalf of the young generation, which is so much dependent on important decisions here, which leads us in a more climate stable word rather than a climate catastrophe. is the g 7 as a forum with just a restricted number of countries the right place to take these decisions are, is the g 20 with more countries may be more useful and actually taking action worldwide. i mean with the, with the war of putting against the ukraine. i think the, the world is a different one than it was before. and so i think she's 7 could play

a role if they really take a lead on bold climate decisions on bold decisions in terms of as food security in terms of the effort of a better world and being open to other countries. which could partner with the g 7 to build up a new kind of and a better world. there are debates in germany, but also in other countries about bridge energy sources to try to bridge the, the change towards renewable energy until there are enough renewable sources actually provide for entire countries. and the debate has revolved also around nuclear energy. is that a possible option should for example, germany keep nuclear going or is that not a good idea? no, not at all. i think it's a, it's a bad idea and the narrative of breaching energy towards something, i think that was a smoke screen bip. what built up by the oil industry,

particularly, and oil and gas industry, us and their interests are still behind of many leaders here at the 727 summit to fight for the old interest. and now it's time for the politicians routing both step forward and say we decide in the interest of the people and not the corporates of the fossil fuels. one of the ideas that for example, chancellor charles has is to promote a climate club of countries who are willing to lead by example in terms of promoting renewables and pushing for the fight against climate change. you think that's an idea that could actually work and provide some results? i mean, i've seen so many erg governmental clubs coming up and going or so. i think it's more important that chancellor scholes is really taking responsibility for what he's doing in germany and europe 1st. now give you one example. i think we're now

am up to a decision for the ending the combustion engine in europe. and germany has no clear precision on it or so they are claiming to be in line with $1.00 and the parent agreement. and chancellor shoulds needs to take a decision today or to support this end of the combustion engine in europe. and then reli that she's 7 leaders as a big car, producing countries behind this come and frame and give a clear signal to the coin, the story that they need me to. and as a combustion engine, also related to a rush as war against ukraine is the future food security situation at which and it's having an impact across the world. or can the g 7 countries do something to try to get wheat out of ukraine and get it to the countries where it's needed or find alternative sources? and are they doing enough in this sense? they're not doing enough and they can do a lot. i mean, one is, or to secure,

to bring out the, the corn out of the ukraine or buy it by land and, and c a, but even more important that they don't waste or food, or in fueling it to or to cars. i mean, biofuels are a huge component of, of the wheat use. and that needs to be reduced to ciro and then we have enough food for the world matting, kaiser, executive director of greenpeace. germany, thank you very much. we are waiting for german chancellor all a shouts to make a statement at the g 7, but he's still not out yet until then. his wrath of what's happened at the summit so far. g 7 leaders has out enduring support for ukraine in the face of russian aggression. they spoke to ukraine's president, florida, mr. lensky in a closed door session via video link. they pledged to give you crane financial humanitarian, military and diplomatic support. speaking on the summit side lines,

you k prime minister boris johnson said, ukrainians had made it clear they wanted rusher out what they want is their land. they want their country to be able to live in peace and freedom and i totally support that. and so i think the, the difficulty is that no one here at the the g 7 can really see any alternative to simply supporting them in regaining their sovereignty for his pat zelinski urged the g 7 leaders to do their utmost to end the war by the end of the year, several developing nations were also invited to take part in sessions on the summit, 2nd day. heads of state from south africa, argentina, india, indonesia, in senegal, joint working groups, tackling topics such as energy and food security. but the g 7 leaders stressing their message of unity in the face of russia's aggression and still with me in the

studio is dw political correspondence. simon young simon, while we wait for chancellor shouts to come out, let's have a little bit of a chat about the g 20. another summit that's happening later this year. a russian president vladimir putin has announced that he intends to attend the g 20 summit in indonesia. do you think that the g 7 leaders will discuss that with the innovation president and how awkward would that something like that actually be for world leaders will certainly it's an issue that's been raised. i think because of the, some people take the view that it would be better to know disinvite vladimir putin from that meeting to, to send that signal or that, you know, he's not welcome there. as i understand the indonesian position, as you say, the indonesia got the presidency of the g 20. so their position at the moment is that it will go ahead as planned with, with russia,

with russia there. so what we've seen also is a discussion here with the german media of weather. for instance, allow sholtes is one of the g 7 leaders would it would go, would he, would he have a conversation with um, vladimir putin, if for, if he's going to attend that well, but he and i know i can have both said that they want to continue dialogue that i may put and so it's likely that they would speak their position is exactly that. they said that the german government spokesman said, well, we're pretty relaxed on this because it would be an opportunity to tell to tell that punch into his face. what the problem is and what we expect of him. and of course that wouldn't only be france, germany, other european nations. it would be the, the g, 20 white a greek. so oh shalt says that he will not talk p though the g 20 meeting. and he won't, as he put it full for vladimir putin track,

which he described is trying to divide the countries of the g 7 and the global north against those of the global south to put it in those terms. so its weight and saved, i think a shots as spokesman also said that they would wait until shortly before that to g . 20 summit in november because a lot of water can of course flow under the bridge. all nations are hoping that the war will be over by then, or at least there will be movement to see what the end gang could ultimately be. and of course, that will be a very distant situation from what we've got right now. and you talk about that global south, if you will, countries that are, that are joining the 5 that are joining there today with, with the g 7 having this summer. i g 7 late is going to use this to try and get them on board for sanctions and we likely to hear anything more about the sanctions . well, i mean sanctions, yes, because they talked about a,

a cap on the price of oil and in particular, directed at russian oil. so there are various mechanisms under discussion for how you could reduce the earnings of russia is making from its oil. because one of the ironies of this war, of course, is that the one of the effects it had is drill driving up the old price. that means that even though rushes exporting parts a bit less all than it was before, it's owning more for it, it's able to finance it's war from those earnings so that they're looking at ways they might cap the price. that's a very complicated thing to do. it might involve putting sanctions kind of sanctions on the shipping industry to say that anyone who is involved in the transportation or d. b, insurance of the transportation of russian oil might be subject to sanctions. so they're looking in great detail, understand that the deliberations were of a highly technical nature earlier. there are other things they're doing. they're

saying, for instance, going to stop the trade in russian gold, gold bullion. which is another way that russia, of course, is able to and foreign earnings in the us at least, is talking about introducing tariffs on a whole range of, of further goods not yet sanctioned. i think they're going to announce a heat draft of measures to, to just to step up tariffs on russian goods to morrow. so, you know, all of the g 7 countries continue to sort of look for ways to tighten the school if you like, against russia, and as far as the g. 20 nations, all the nations outside the g 7 are concerned. well, i think it's a question of, of getting their rhetorical support, and i think they're the service necessarily looking to them to back it a 100 percent, with the exception of the oil embargo because of course, oil is a, a globally traded commodity one that's absolutely essential. to 2 economies around

the world, we know that russia is still selling more of its oil to china and india. those are the 2 big ones. the indian premier is, is in bavaria and i'm sure he will have heard that, you know, the west would much rather that india didn't buy russian oil in such quantities. so we're looking at live pictures now as we wait for german, chancellor shalt to come out. we see some press racing there. maybe it's moments away. but tell us a little bit, talk us through the people, just joining us about how the conversation with the lot of his lensky went this morning with a live session. yeah, i mean, i think that was, that was an important reaffirmation of the western commitment, the g 7 nation saying that they'll, they're ready for the long haul. they'll, they'll be there supporting the government and presidents landscape for as long as it takes. and they say they'll support them financially and

they've committed, i think, up to about $20000000000.00 of further support. so that's important because the hill ukrainian economy, of course, is, is in effect at the moment on, on hold. and there has to be funded through, through these kind of payments. but course we're also thing come to countries, other countries, individual economies also grossly affected and whether or not that can be popular domestically to continue supporting the school. i mean, what do you think? do you think that they can hold up that promise of continuing to support ukraine as long as well? and that's what, as long as it takes me, some people have suggested that one of vladimir putin objectives is to sort of phrase this conflict to have a frozen conflict. so cold a to declare the war over as far as he's concerned when he's reached a certain line in ukrainian territory. and of course, they tend to embed that as

a constant thorn in the side ongoing as it inevitably, i think would be there would be that would be fighting. but that would also be pressure to sort of somehow lock down the piece in some way. so that is a grim prospect, but it's not one that the g 7 is talking about. they're saying, how can we help president lensky and ukraine to drive back the the russian forces out of ukrainian territory that are still there. stated objective, said they giving financial support diplomatic support rule. so of course, crucially weapons support. and as you were mentioning earlier, germany feels a little bit misunderstood. at least a lot. schultz does, with the criticism that he's repeatedly received for what looks like a hesitant if indeed almost reluctant approach to sending german weapons

to ukraine. i think he was saying in an interview earlier today again that no, that's not right. jeremy is doing all it can. it's sent, it's how it says that have arrived. now some have arrived, of course, but then they say that the rest of the weapons won't be coming until perhaps even the autumn, which obviously when you're losing so many soldiers on the battlefield, the autumn seems very, very far away. yes, that's the shots would say that's the sort of glass half empty way of saying it a glass of full way, which is what he would prefer is to say, well we've, we're doing the maximum that we can. and he doesn't go into much detail about that because of course, this is a sensitive point. there is no secret to any body. the german armed forces themselves don't have in the way of material that they could just put on a plane or put on a train and send over there. they do have some ahmed vehicles and some politicians are saying, you know, why don't we get those over to you crime, but, but there isn't a lot in the way the heavy fire power that's just waiting there. so it's

a question of financing deals through german weapons manufacturers who are, who are well represented in the european weapons market. is it simply a messaging problem then i want to be too far away from the j 7. know that area. so here he is. he's taking to the podium germantown killer on a shot, even butcher folks, i just thought it was leaking, vo, uh, mr. v. sticking to the bas, having to them so called indian indonesia, and zina guys, africa are continuous. it's democratize the image of it. what is the scoot visual notation just once mit done and i'll talk gigs, i get to run shop gigs. i discussed in this was a life that teaches i'm

a lot in parking on commercial in a give, has all gone on. come for getting dinner in the event time via often of the concert chief mitten underscore hm. these are dear lucas, because i wish the thought of it as you probably noticed, and i think you have a live translation of this speech being given by john chancellor. ola schultz at the moment, simon, you were able to hear some of it. i think he's just been getting a wrap up of what's been spoken about so far. we were having audio troubles ourselves, hearing it. so he is of course, addressing that we'll try to bring some of it to you later as soon as we're able to get any friends lation on that. but sun and, you know, we know that the g 72 leaders were meeting with the ukranian president. below them is lensky. we've also been speaking about the other issues at the j 77, which is of course, climate change and energy transition, which, you know, with the current crisis that we're seeing and trying to move towards climate change

is really 2 opposing things. how do you think that's being handled at the j 7? well, i think a climate change is, is a key part of the agenda as resign before all of shots with a gun to that g 7 summit with a plan to set up a climate club of those nations, including those in the global south, willing to commit to climate to c o 2 emissions neutrality by 2050, which is an incredibly ambitious target. indeed, germany's target is to it by 2045, which is the more ambitious and more ambitious now with the current situation going in the wrong at the moment with an increased reliance or yes, i reliance on fossil fuels. very likely because of course it's, you know, everyone in the european union at any rate wants to move to.