the jews were considered servants of evil. they simply told you the most atrocious chapter. a 3rd of our people works, terminated $6000000.00 jews like microbes to be annihilated even 77 years after the holocaust hatred towards jews is still pervasive. the history of anti semitism starts july, 2nd on d, w ah, in ukraine, the strategic eastern, the city of savior, a dan yet fell last week to russian forces mocking what some western experts called a critical point in the conflict. so where does it go from here? at the weekend g, 7 leaders re stated support for key f, but we'll have a heavy weapons they promised. arrived in time to boost ukraine's fortune on the battlefield. my guest this week has an unusual role in this war, ilia, upon mary, off one sat in the lower house of russia's parliament,

then became the only member to vote against the seizure of crimea. he's now in k f and says vladimir putin is war aims go way beyond ukraine. it's nato. that's firmly in his sight. she wants to crush me, thought. oh, that's his strategic goal. crushed april. as for russia itself, on the my off says a civil war is inevitable. but one of the many russians who prefer stability, however repressive to freedom and what kind of russia will emerge once all the guns . a silent that much more uncomfortable for india upon the muddy off. welcome to come pick zone. thanks for having me. hello. let's talk. if we may about the latest developments in the war, from your standpoint, how critical for ukraine was the loss of surgery done yet? can the dumbass there was not critical to my, my and that was

a plan loss. the current tactics of ukrainian army just to suck as much blood from the invaders as possible to make them pay yearly for every single meter of the territory they captured. so they slowly retreating, but so altogether the losses for last month and a half for they can be counted with just several, 2 meters of the territory, but they have been beats with thousands and thousands life. so rational soldiers, but this was the largest city ukraine still held in the lucon region. any hope that they could take it back once heavy weapons arrive in greater numbers from the west . the. no, it's, it is the large c to relatively 100000 inhabitants. they are,

but 30 c charlie, which is right across the river is the same $100000.00. so we just life is smaller but more or less the same size. they look major sieges the same or you bull. that was an venue. christian, for example, is 4 100000 people how to get more than the 1000000 you know, it was 5000000 people. so then the large thesis is just the rational propaganda. the criminal ones. ready look to make, to look significant from the you mentioned the key s be renewed attacks on key f. we're seeing the attack on the shopping center in crumb and choke yesterday. what does this say about a new phase in russia's tactics? is that how you see this? what are they moving towards? now? i think that these, that 6 existed from the very 1st b, r li, want to provoke ukrainians to revolt against federal government. they want to

provoke internal pensions within the country. so they just acted like terrorists which tried to disseminate their horror within the or in the ripple that's. that's the only thing because it said not the minute the objects, their ra stockpiles or explosives there they claim to be there. there are no immediate arrangements like he's the to those trading centers. it's deliberate, back on the fill in the structure. let's go back to february. if we may, just before the start of the war, you didn't believe the warnings from the americans. that putin was going to invade because you said he'd be signing his own death sentence. where now more than 4 months into the conflict, do you still think that that sentence is pending? absolutely. i think that the calm down has started. and i think that it's the

last year or which is life. i don't know whether he will survive the next year. holidays may be yes, may belong. but so i think that his time on this planet is about what makes you say that the atmosphere in russia, not a lot of people are bidding, might have to read what's going on, especially russian ladies, which are for unsanctioned, especially russian government. because they see the dead them the vehicle. let me the see, the situation is not going anywhere the most. so we're circles beside the discount is growing there as well. they are the main donors for this war in terms of people. that's where the recruitment is coming from, the same time,

the suffer of the most from the raising prices deficit from the unemployment. so i think that that one point in time on those 2 discontent prefer so we collide with create the major explosion in the social life and rush. discontent is one thing, but you've been talking in the past about a civil war inside russia being inevitable. russia is locked down in a repressive police state who's going to organize the civil war. but that's the reason for the civil war. you know, it would be political, liberty is the rest of us will be able to participate in the election. obviously, they will turn ballots to get 3 before the middle in the legal way. but what we're getting the learn for some thoughts russians are

accurately is that there is no way to get him to the election. and that's why the one thing is a violent progress. because right now, in russia, there is a growing number of people who are trained that the fields of war and which are returning, being very unhappy with what they saw in ukraine range of them are arms. so that's the direction goes, there's no organized political force in russia. you said there are people who are dissidence and political activists, and they're against bruton and one political change. but they are disorganized to turn disorganized groups into the kind of groups that would stage a civil war and could organize effective armed resistance to the government. what needs to happen in russia? confused to different things. when you're saying the word resistance, what i was telling you was don't they still stand them this position that yes,

there is no organized a position in rush. there are position, mind people, but there is more. but you should say that there are no political parties that are low, non government is ations. there are no legal networks or people who are rigid to give a fight political fight, legal fight against the current government. they are either in the mail or in jail, but in terms of resistance, if we're talking about the violence reasons, this is growing right now. and then shore every single day, we see no new and new attacks in the restroom territories. buddy, give me a call to enforce the police cars recently. it was more serious thing. it was a suicide. droll that the fac refinery, which belongs to the permit ritual,

one of which was corona's ex, if in the ukraine, and that's the major effect was the refinery. which, which was the blood. so i think that this more month would be growing and it doesn't need to be now organized, right? a lot of groups that are skipper cross structure and their grass rules and that we see the effects that i come in and go should be able to use every single feature that actually shows the political demand for an actual like this. and that's why i'm very optimistic this reasonable for the button money of you these days, you run a media venture in ukraine code february morning with the express purpose of bringing down putins regime by i suppose, reporting the news that the russians can get from their own genders and promoting active resistance. you said our job at the end of the day is an uprising of the

masses. how's that going? as i'm saying it's, it's happening in front of our eyes. it's happening every single day. we have more and more use, like i just said to report, while classical liberal journalists are leaving russia, we vice versa, our president inside the country, we currently have winches, 7, outposts within the country and west 7th says we are opening more school bureau, everybody's of creation where we are doing this because we have people for the free or for being prosecutors. we're not afraid of being oppressed. who are fibers, how many people you think car tuning into your channel? right? i was half a 1000000. that's more or less the windows, and would you take credit for some of the armed and attacks that you've been talking about? some your little right. you're

a little reticent about that. look with the brand, the international service. right. so we are helping people we are claiming the responsibility, but we are assisting them as the war has gone on. how far do you think putins ames have scaled back? he didn't get to k f, but he started showing it again. do you think he will push again towards the capital? i think he'll try. i think he'll try to think that's what he is trying to get problem delivery present shanker. i think that one of the possible things which is asking him is the boy in between. yeah, so this swallow accorded or that connects the little so with cleaning graph

and one clicked with late or i think that's one of the directional stuff. which i really once lucas trying to get the goal was to move to keep starting on do you think he wants to fight with nato lucas shanker wants to win it. but sure. which ones different? which, hudson. it's an issue that he can't get rid of is that i will just in that she wants to crush nasal. that's his strategic goal. crushed april. the way it may happen if he would provoke of the kind of conflict where needs was not broken. the response. if say on that that will for one of the members will actually happen, like that, that quality cleaner. what's nice would look and go article 5, then late. it was redone, right. what will win? so if it's exists like that, it's redundant with him. yeah. so, so that's,

that's what you're trying to try to look. he thinks the germans, for example, would not be quite way light russian and russian forces with a nuclear threat. and that's why for him, it would be really convenient for the sold will be made by belittle. so it's so because of the situation, you would be very much in degree. it is like from russia with another country, but this country, acting as russia's proxy and create the local channels within the western assembly to determine how to react. and that may result in, in article being this desire to provoke a fight with nato. is that why we're seeing the level of anti western rhetoric mounting? i think that so more target to, to rushes audience because he needs to keep the society consolidated. he needs to

get the society alliance allied behind his back. that they will not listen or any voices like us in february this morning. but the 10th and she stops working. we see the russian, the lose interest. so the words, me literally for, if they was more and more questions about the most equipment, and this is something that the obviously was the way one of put ins united russia, a m p, 's, andrea go off said recently that they'd already chosen which western city would be hit 1st in the event of world war 3 scenario, not on a would go to london. is that block for a serious threat in your view? justly in every parliament in the world. i think some crazy people like say different crazy things just to get more votes during next election. some

rational parliament right now is especially reach with such people one guys billing about nuclear at london. another guy is still in about saying that you could nisha more than 43, and you were guessing that there was the same x, the recognized independence of rush. you've been because you should be plenty of them that are going to be on the back of the president of the country. but these guys have just completely clear out of their mind, but it's very well profitable. ready for a criminal him because which with, with such a lie, so looks like a video game and that's what he wants to tell the, well, you know, you better keep me in office because if not me, you know, it would be those guys coming. let's go back if we make your time in russian politics. in 2014, you belong to one of the smaller parties in the duma,

the lower house of parliament. and you achieve notoriety by being the only member that assembly to vote against the annexation of crime. in 2014, did you not think in doing that that you might be signing your best sentence? oh, i had some ideas. yes. i was preparing to go under grounds. i was thinking that they would be physically depressed. pressure me just looking to hide out of the they were thing but looks like it was personal, which would just say this. otherwise he decided not to punish me directly, but to neutralize them. they are mine. like pushing me outside. russia was a way to neutralize me in russian, but you were featured on a billboard in moscow when you were labeled. you are

a national traitor. how do you know a national traitor? that's actually a something that was invented personally by the keeper. this work for the 1st time period than mine come with your old well with so it's a part of a can be a real be stuck with them. and the results of all his surrounding, you know, all his quotes. yes. and that was a new words, and most folks and, and other features with my face. but also some other nice faces because they also don't rock musicians clear who st brought a song some by actually like i like to tell you were in good company you weren't good. so i was, i'm very proud to have those for those with me. you know, it's something to make my heart wronger. you've suggested that the system in russia

needs putin to survive. you, you pictured him, i think, as a, as a spider, the scent of his own self constructed web saying that without him that web would die. why do you believe that isn't his system fully in line with the repressive structures that russians have had to endure for century own? oh, actually, what so which law accomplished the destruction of all institutes of power? it was very visibly demonstrate that the in 1008th, when they switch places with mentoring me at the time, russia was very much the parliamentary public because the power that will lead me to the government was like a minister very much like in great, you know, on the sources, but in reality, no institution was the result parliament. there is no government there and the

security forces, there is no way the president just let you know which them and people who are his cronies. that's it. and that makes the country and very vulnerable, but also makes the system better vulnerable, which and have done the deliberately so that he would not be the most because every budget, all the parts of the web, the younger them, his them say, understand how he keeps the bells, so they understand that without him they would not survive. and so the interest that them keeping him as a spider, in, in the sense that his personal security. but in a way, the russian, people still support him in very large numbers. it's impossible to say exactly how large the numbers are, but what does it say about the russian mentality that repressive stability is considered preferable to freedom. you know,

it does not say much about russian mil policy. it says much about the horror, the but the so $99.00 says we are rationals. we're really here with the calls with we are, we're the destruction of the country and they don't feel like enough which, and that's what he's trying to push and never says to russians that i'm the best of the best. and the low would be in his just telling me maybe not perfect, but others worse than me. if you take any of those up, are you sure guys, they all are people from 9 since even about the, grew up from the stablish month of my interest. so they will return the you to the time. so what it feels that there is nothing worse like that and rational say ok. ok. ok, ok maybe or look perfect. maybe even corrupt. maybe you but people on the on, but we have you them to go back in that direction. as soon as russians won't see

him, a sort of answer to this, which looks positive from their eyes. this vision would collapse yellow. within the week, the, the russian writer, the master of seroquel, says russians themselves to blame for putin and especially his war. clever people, he says, have had 20 years to work out. who put in is in the early years, oil prices rose living standards improved, and people turned a blind eye to the autocratic excesses. they wandered in luxury. they traded their conscience for material well being. and now their reaping the reward is that fair comment was concerned. right? i think it's pretty much um on, on target. that's what makes me really said we have in ukraine the discussion whether it would rational to do this. and to my mind, there are no good rationales. the good rationalists will demurrage when they will replace william that of which of them those people who would replace him who would stop the work would stop the aggression from the blood ship. they would be the

brussels and they feel very much sorry mike, with from which i really love the door. and pretty much respect me. 3 more of those, the noble price lower for, for the piece. the guy who just sold his local price medal, raised 100000000 euros, and the needs of them to ukrainian children, mid, severe humanitarian, which applause. but at the same time, he's rational. if you would believe the same $100000000.00 to replace was in the future may be let him know which will be gone already. but nobody is right now assisting in your activities to actually spoke this region. and that makes me really make me feel whether, whether the rug with russians, you still offering a $1000000.00 to anyone who can bring boot in, dead or alive to

a war crimes tribunal. yes. and there were people who followed the lead them right now if. ready the latest several announcements, so it's even higher than this $1000000.00. then they heard several announcements for different people in which is established month, which also higher than them immune. and i think a just a matter of time when such actions will start to be executed. the rush, we talked at the beginning about current losses on the battlefield. how far does the public mood fluctuate? when people hear news like that is, is the will to fight as strong as ever. and, you know, i think, but the morale is, is very high. people not to go in more and more disappointed with the position of the west than general probably, with the exception of great britain. that's what we see are currently in our

strongest life. thanks to the prime minister. it was very popular in ukraine right now, but the general people out with the west because they feel like the west is given just enough weapons to resist russia, but not enough weapon to fight back and raised the 2 or 3 of the country. that's how we've been seen within the crate. will be encouraged by the statements of support that came out of the g 7 meeting. i'm talking particularly about the commitment by the french and british leaders to work for russia as defeat in the war that was explicitly said, and that seems to have been spelled out more clearly than before. is that of some comfort to people? do you think? of course that gives certainly inspiration, but difficult. your weaponless will be more useful. i will do friend here. firstly,

i think that the width is still shy to see public that we need to replace with you which are without his replacement, this water would not stop. i think that's pretty much just below it's like in the world war 2, you know, people would say lift separately from great britain and soviet union, but would not say i think so. we need to say openly on the public which needs to be replaced. what kind of ukraine, what kind of russia do you see emerging in the end from this conflict? prank speak. and i think that the, those confess would be very much alike. i think they will be democratic. i think they will be prettier. i think that will be very much decentralized with our people at the grassroots level and they think they would be members of european union, the board members abroad,

if we can avoid world war 3. absolutely, absolutely. and that's our choice. literally the area upon the money off, thanks very much for being on conflict. so thanks for having ah ah, with

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