a sexual assault survivor and saying that you have women in asia are bad at the fee. it increases. nothing can stop me that he can go into starts july 6th in ukraine, the strategic eastern, the city of savior. a daniel fell last week to russian forces, mocking what some western experts called a critical point in the conflict. so where does it go from here? at the weekend, g. 7 leaders restated support for key f. but will the heavy weapons they promised arrived in time to boost ukraine's fortune? it's on the battlefield. my guest this week has an unusual role in this war. ilia

upon mario once sat in the lower house of russia's parliament. them became the only member to vote against the seizure of crimea. he's now in key f and says vladimir putin is war aims go way beyond ukraine. it's nato, that's firmly in his sight. she wants to crush me, thought. oh, that's his strategic goal. crushed april, as for russia itself, on my office as a civil war is inevitable. but one of the many russians who prefer stability, however repressive to freedom and what kind of russia will emerge once all the guns assignment that and much more unconquered for your partner mario of welcome to conflict zone. thanks for having me. hello. let's talk fast. if we may about the latest developments in the war, from your standpoint, how critical for ukraine was the loss of surgery done?

yes. can the dumbass it was not critical to my my and that was a planned loss. the current tactics of ukrainian army is just to suck as much blood from the invaders as possible to make them pay yearly for every single meter off the territory that the capture. so they slowly retreating, but so altogether the losses for last month and a half for they can be counted with just several kilometers of the territory, but they have been beats with thousands and thousands life. so rational soldiers, but this was the largest city ukraine still held in the lucon region. any hope that they could take it back once heavy weapons arrive in great numbers from the west. the. no, it's, it is the large c to relatively 100000 inhabitants. they are,

but 30 c charlie which is right across the river is the same $100000.00. so we just life is smaller but more or less the same size. they look major seizures. the same or you bull that was in video screeching, for example, is 400000 people. how to get more than the 1000000 you know, if it's 5000000 people. so then the large thesis is just the rational prop. i got the criminal. ready look to make it look significant from the you mentioned the key s be renewed to tax on key f. we're seeing the attack on the shopping center crumb and joke yesterday. what does this say about a new phase in russia's tactics? is that how you see this? what are they moving towards? now? i think that these, that 6 exist from the very 1st they are,

they want to provoke ukrainians to revolt, against federal government. they want to provoke internal tensions within the country. so they just acted like terrorists which tried to disseminate their horror within the ordinary people that's. that's the only thing because it sets not mean that the objects, their ra stockpiles or explosives, they are the claim to be their. ringback military regiments, lakita to those trading centers. it's deliberate, back on the city when the structure let's go back to february. if we may, just before the start of the war, you didn't believe the warnings from the americans. that putin was going to invade because you said he'd be signing his own death sentence. where now more than 4 months into the conflict. do you still think that that sentence is pending?

website say i think that the calm down has started and i think it's the last year or which is life. i don't know whether he will survive the next year. holidays may be yes. may be a lot. but so i think that his time on this planet is about what makes you say that the atmosphere in russia, not a lot of people are bidding much have to read what's going on, especially russian ladies, which are for sanction, especially russian government. because the see the dead them in the or let me the see the situation is not going anywhere the most. so we're circles beside the just because the is growing there as well. they are the mean donors for this. we're in terms of people. that's where the recruitment is coming

from the same time, the suffering, the most from the raising prices of the deficit from young employment. so i think that's one point in time. those to discontent. ready for so would collide with create the major explosion, even the social life and rush. discontent is one thing, but you've been talking in the past about a civil war inside russia being inevitable. russia is locked down in a repressive police state who's going to organize the civil war. but that's the reason for the civil war. you know, it will be political, liberty is the rest of us will be able to participate in the election. obviously they will turn the ballots to get 3 before the middle in the legal way, but with leg learn for some thoughts. russians

are accurately, is that there is no way to get him to the election. and that's why the one thing is the violence progress. because right now, in russia, there is a growing number of people who are trained that the fields of war and which are returning, being very unhappy with what they saw in ukraine range of them are arms. so that's the direction goes. there's no organized political force in russia. you said there are people who had dissidence and political activists, and they're against bruton and one political change. but they are disorganized to turn this organized groups into the kind of groups that would stage a civil war and could organize effective armed resistance to the government. what needs to happen in russia? confused to different things. when you are saying the word resistance,

what i was telling you was somebody still stunned them. this position. yes, there is no organ, lice, a position in rush. there are position lined people, but there is more. but there are no political parties. there are low government organizations, there are no legal networks or people who are rigid to give a fight political fight, legal fight against the current government. they are either in zion or in jail, but in terms of resistance, if we're talking about the violence reasons. this is growing right now experiential every single day. we see no new and new attacks in the russian territories. buddy, good media groups and course the police cars. recently, it was more serious thing. it was a suicide job,

that the fac refinery, which belong permit ritual, one of which i was kronos extra fin in the ukraine. and that's the major effect that was the refinery, which, which was the blood. so i think that this month would be growing and it doesn't need to be now organized, right? a lot of groups that us cooper at the cross structure and their grass rules. and we see those effects that come in and go surely appreciate what you will see to that actually shows the political demand for an action like this. and that's why i'm very optimistic that this reasonable fall. so mr. butler, many of you these days, you run a media adventure in ukraine code february morning with the express purpose of bringing down putins regime by, i suppose, reporting the news that russians can't get from their own genders and promoting active resistance. you said our job at the end of the day is an uprising of the

masses. how's that going? as i'm saying it's, it's happening in front of our eyes. it's. it's happening every single day. we have more and more use, like i just said to report, while classical liberal journalists are leaving russia, we vice versa, our president inside the country, we currently have winches, 7, outposts within the country and west 7th says we are opening more school bureau, everybody's of creation where we are doing this because we have people for adult, appraised or for being prosecutors. we're not afraid of being oppressed who are fibers, how many people do you think god tuning into your channel right now was half a 1000000. that's more or less the windows, and would you take credit for some of the armed attacks that you've been talking

about? some some your little right. you're a little reticent about that. look with the brand, the national service. right. so we are helping people. we are not claiming the responsibility, but we are assisting them as the war has gone on. how far do you think putins ames have scaled back? he didn't get to k f, but he started showing it again. do you think he will push again towards the capital? i think he'll try. i think he'll try to think that's what he is trying to get. the little president shanker. i think that one of the possible things which is asking him is to go in between. yeah, so this swell key accorded or that connects the little so with colleen and graph

and one clicked with late or i think that's one of the directional stuff. which i really once lucas shrunk, the goal was to move to keep starting on. do you think he wants to fight with nato and lucas shaneka wants to win it, but which ones different? which hudson. it's an issue that he can't get rid of is that i will just in that she wants to crush me. so that's his strategic goal. crushed april the way it may happen if you would provoke of the kind of conflict where nice would not broker in your response if say on the back or for one of the members would actually help them like that, that quality quine, what's nice would look and go article 5, it was redone, right? what will win? so if it's exists, like that, it's redundant where they move. yeah. so, so that's,

that's what you're trying to try to look. he thinks the germans, for example, would not be or white with a light russian and russian forces with a nuclear threat. and that's why for him, it would be really convenient for the sold will be made by belittle. so it's so, because of the situation would be very much in degree. it is like from russia with another country, but this country, acting as russia's proxy and create the local channels within the western assembly to determine how to react. and that may result in, in article being this desire to provoke a fight with nato. is that why we're seeing the level of anti western rhetoric? mounting? i think that so more targets to russia's audience,

because he needs to keep the society consolidated. he needs to get the lights behind his back that they will not listen or any me voices like us in february this morning. but the 10th and she stops working. we see the russian, the lose interest. so the words military report, they started was more and more questions about the most equipment. and this is something that the obviously was the way one of put ins united, russia, a m p, 's, andrea go off said recently that they'd already chosen which western city would be hit 1st in the event of a world war 3 scenario. not on a would go to london. is that block for a serious threat in your view room just in every parliament in the world? i think the rest some crazy people like. ready said you for created things just to

get more votes during next election. some the rational parliament right now is especially reach with such people one guys billing about nuclear, london and other guys still in about been seeing that you couldn't show will, can, depends on. so please, when you get into that was the same x that we could nice to independence of russia and you've been out because you show me plenty of them. let me start going to be on the back of the president, the country guys sort of just completely out there now with their mind, but it's media. well, the boat for a kremlin because which, with, with such a lie, so looks like a video of the bowl game. and that's what he wants to tell the well, you know, you better keep me in office because if not me, you know, it would be those guys coming. let's go back. if we make your time in russian

politics in 2014, you belong to one of the smaller parties in the duma, the lower house of parliament. and you achieve notoriety by being the only member that assembly to vote against the annexation of crime. in 2014, did you not think in doing that that you might be signing your test sentence? oh, i had some ideas. yes. i was preparing to go under grounds. i was thinking that i would be physically depressed. pressure, me just i prepared all said look you man some to hide out. they were thing. looks like it was personal, which of them would you say this? otherwise he decided to punish me directly, but to neutralize them in their mind. like pushing me outside, russia was a way to neutralize me in rational when you were featured on a billboard in moscow,

when you were labeled, you are a national traitor. how do you know a national tracer? that's actually a, something that was invented personally by the keeper. this worth the 1st time a year than mine come. we get old. well with so it's a part of a can be a real, we start with them. and the results of all his surrounding, you know, all his quotes. yes. and that was a new words and most folks and, and other features with my face. but also some other nice faces because they will. so rock musicians clear who same brought a song some by actually like. ready like the compass, so you were in good company, you were in good map. so i was, i'm very proud to have those for those with me. you know, it's something to make my heard wronger. you've suggested that the system in russia

needs putin to survive. you, you pictured him, i think, as a, as a spider, the scent of his own self constructed web saying that without him that web would die. why do you believe that isn't his system fully in line with the repressive structures that russians have had to endure for century? oh, actually, what so which law accomplished the destruction of all institutes of power? it was very visibly demonstrate that the in 1008, when the switch places with meeting at the time, russia was very much the parliamentary public because the power should we lead into the government was like a partisan minister very much like in great, you know, on the surface but in reality. ready institutions was the result parliament. there

is no government there and the security forces, there is no way the president just let you know which him and people who are his kronos. that's it. that makes the country and very vulnerable, but also makes the system better vulnerable, which and have done the deliberately so that he would not be the most because every budget, all the parts of the web, the younger them, his them say, understand how he keeps the bells so they understand that without him they would not survive. and so the interest of them keeping him as a spider, in, in the sense that his personal security. but in the way, the russian, people still support him in very large numbers. it's impossible to say exactly how large the numbers are. but what does it say about the russian mentality that repressive stability is considered preferable to freedom. you

know, it does not say much about russian mil policy. it says much about the horror, the bed, the so $99.00 says we are rationals. we're really here with the low cost with we are, we're the destruction of the country. and they don't feel as if the lives in which and that's what he's trying to push and never says to russians that i'm the best of the best. and the low would be in his just telling me maybe not perfect, but others worse than me. if you will take any of those up, are you sure guys, they all are people from 9 since even about the grew up from the stablish month of my interest, so they will return the you to the time. so what it feels that there is nothing worse like that and rational say ok, ok. ok, ok maybe or look perfect. maybe even corrupt, maybe, but people on the on. but we have you them to go back in that direction as soon as

russians won't see him and sort of to this, which looks positive from their eyes. this vision would collapse yellow. within the week, the, the russian writer, the master of seroquel, says russians themselves to blame for putin and especially his war. clever people, he says, have had 20 years to work out. who put in is in the early years, oil prices rose living standards improved, and people turned a blind eye to the autocratic excesses. they wandered in luxury. they traded their conscience for material well being. and now their reaping the reward is that fair comment was concerned. right? i think it's pretty much on, on target, but that's what makes me really said we have in ukraine, the discussion, whether it would rational to do this. and to my mind, there are local rationals, the good rationalists will demurrage when they will replace william, that of which and then those people who would replace him who would stop the work, who would stop the aggression from the blood ship?

they would be the brussels and they feel very much sorry my good from which i really love the door. and pretty much respect me. 3 more out of the noble price lower for, for on the piece the guy. ready just sold his lobel price medal, raised $100000000.00 euros, and the needs of them to ukrainian children, mid, severe humanitarian x, which applause. but at the same time, he's rational. if you would believe the same $100000000.00 to replace was in the future may be let him know which will be gone already. but nobody is right now assisting in your attributes this to actually stop this region. and that makes me really make me feel whether, whether the rug with russians, you still offering

a $1000000.00 to anyone who can bring booting dead or alive to a war crimes tribunal. yes. and there were people who followed the lead them. right now i've heard already several announcements, so it's even higher than this $1000000.00. then they heard several announcements for different people in which is the stablish month, which also higher than them. emily? and i think a just a mental time such actions will start so be executed the rush. we talked at the beginning about current losses on the battlefield. how far does the public mood fluctuate? when people hear news like that is, is the will to fight as strong as ever. and, you know, i think, but the morale is, is very high. people not to go in more and more disappointed with the position of the west than general, probably, with the exception of great, but that's what we see are currently in our strongest life. thanks to the prime

minister. it was very popular in ukraine right now, but the general people out with the west because they feel like the west is given just enough weapons to resist russia, but not enough weapon to fight back and raised the true story of the country. that's how we've been seen within the ukraine. will be encouraged by the statements of support that came out of the g 7 meeting. i'm talking particularly about the commitment by the french and british leaders to work for russia defeat in the war that was explicitly said, and that seems to have been spelled out more clearly than before. is that of some comfort to people? do you think that gives settlements ration but typically your weapon us will be more useful. i will do friend here. firstly,

i think the, the with the still shy to say public that we need to replace with you which of, without his replacement, this war will not stop. i think it's very much just below, it's like in the world war 2 more people will see. let's work separately from screen break. and so we are union but would not say, i think so, we need to say openly and the public which needs to be replaced. what kind of ukraine, what kind of russia do you see emerging in the end, from this conflict, franca speaking, i think that the end of the day, those contracts would be very much like i think they will be democratic. i think they will be free or i think that will be very much decentralized with our people at the grassroots level and they think they will be members of european union. the

board members will sleep abroad if we can avoid world war 3. absolutely, absolutely. and that's our choice. literally the ilia upon the mario, thanks very much for being on conflict. so thanks for having. ah ah, with

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