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battlefield. my guest this week has an unusual role in this war. ilia, upon a merry off one, sat in the lower house of russia's parliament. them became the only member to vote against the seizure of crimea. he's now in key f and says vladimir putin is war aims go way beyond ukraine. it's nato. let's firmly in his sight. she wants to crush me. ah, that's his strategic goal. crushed april. as for russia itself, and my office says, a civil war is inevitable. but one of the many russians who prefer stability, however repressive to freedom and what kind of russia will emerge once over guns, asylum that much more unconquered. ah, india upon the money of welcome to conflict zone. thanks for having me. hello.

let's talk fast. if we may about the latest developments in the war, from your standpoint, how critical for ukraine was the loss of surgery done? yes. can the dumbass it was not critical to my, my and that was a planned loss the current tactics of ukrainian army, and just to suck as much blood from the invaders as possible to make them pay yearly for every single meter of the territory they captured. so they slowly retreating, but so together the last 4 of last month and a half for they can be counted with just several kilometers of the chair recorded, but they have been beat with thousands and thousands life. so for rational soldiers . but this was the largest city ukraine still held in the lucon region. any hope that they could take it back once heavy weapons arrive in greater numbers from

the west. the. no, it's, it is the large c to relatively 100000 inhabitants. they are, but 30 c charlie, which is right across the you are, is the same 100000. so we just life is smaller but more or less the same size. they look major sieges. the same variable that was in vineyards. region, for example, is 400000 people. how to get more than the 1000000, you know, if with 5000000 people. so then the large thesis is just that the rational, i got the criminal ones look to make it look significant from the you mentioned the key s be renewed attacks on key f. we're seeing the attack on the shopping center, cremeans joke yesterday. what does this say about a new phase in russia's tactics? is that how you see this?

what are they moving towards? now? i think that they say that 6 exist from the very 1st they are, they want to provoke ukrainians to revolt, against federal government. they want to provoke internal tensions within the country. so they just acted like terrorists which tried to disseminate their horror within the or in the ripple that's. that's the only thing because it said not the minute the objects, their ra stockpiles or explosives there, they claim to be there. there are no. ringback military regiments, lakita to those trading centers. it's deliberate, back on the phoebe and restructure. let's go back to february. if we may, just before the start of the war, you didn't believe the warnings from the americans that put in was going to invade because you said he'd be signing his own death sentence. where now more than 4

months into the conflict, do you still think that the sentence is pending? absolutely. i think that the calm down has started. and i think it's the last year or the middle, which is life. i don't know whether he will survive the next year. holidays may be yes. may be a lot. but i think that his time on this planet is about what makes you say that the atmosphere in russia, not a lot of people are bidding much have to read what's going on, especially russian ladies, which are for unsanctioned, especially russian government. because they see the dead them in the or let me the see the situation is not going anywhere the most. so we're circles the site,

the just compound is growing there as well. they are the main donors for this war in terms of people. that's where the recruitment is coming from the same time, the suffering, the most from the raising prices of the deficit from the unemployment. so i think that's one point in time. those to discuss. ready for so will collide with create the major explosion last the social life and rush. discontent is one thing, but you've been talking in the past about a civil war inside russia being inevitable. russia is locked down in a repressive police state who's going to organize the civil war. but that's the reason for the civil war. you know, if there would be political liberty is the rest of us will be able to participate

in the election. obviously they will trunk ballots to get 3 before the middle in the legal way, but with leg him. learn. some thoughts russians are accurately is that there is no way to get him to the election process. and that's why the one thing is a violent progress. because right now, in russia, there is a growing number of people who are trained that the fuels of war and which are returning, being very unhappy with what they saw in ukraine. many of them are arms. so that's the direction that goes. there's no organized political force in russia. you said there are people who are dissidence and political activists, and they're against bruton and one political change. but they are disorganized to turn this organized groups into the kind of groups that would stage a civil war and could organize effective armed resistance to the government. what

needs to happen in russia? confused to different things. when you're saying the word resistance, what i was telling you was somebody still stunned them. this position. yes, there is no organ, lice, a position in rush. there are position, mind people, but there is no position. there are no political parties. there are low, non government is ations, there are no legal networks or people who are rigid to you've a fight political fight, legal fight against the current government. they are either in the mail or in jail . but in terms of resistance, if we're talking about the violence reasons, this is growing right now. it's financial every single day. we see no new and new attacks in the restroom to refer as buddy good media groups. and course

the police cars. recently, it was more serious thing. it was a suicide job, that the fac refinery, which belong permit ritual. one of which i was growing is, has actually been in the ukraine, and that's a major effect. that was the primary which, which was the blood. so i think that this month would be growing and it doesn't need to be now organized, right? a lot of groups that are skipper, the cross structure and the grass rules, and we see the effects that come in and go truly appreciate every single feature that actually shows the political demand for an action like this. and that's why i'm very optimistic that this reasonable for so mr. butler, many of you these days, you run a media adventure in ukraine code february morning with the express purpose of bringing down putins regime by, i suppose,

reporting the news that the russians can't get from their own genders and promoting active resistance. you said our job at the end of the day is an uprising of the masses. how's that going? as i'm saying it's, it's happening in front of our eyes. it's. it's happening every single day. we have more and more use, like i just said to report, while classical liberal journalists are leaving russia, we vice versa, our president inside the country, we currently have winches, 7, outposts within the country and west 7th says we are opening more school bureau, everybody's of creation where we are doing this because we have people for the free or for being prosecutors. we're not afraid of being oppressed. who are fibers? how many people do you think god tuning into your channel? right?

i was half a 1000000. that's more or less the windows, and would you take credit for some of the armed and attacks that you've been talking about? some your little right. you're a little reticent about that. look with the brand, the national service. right. so we are helping people. we are not claiming the response to do it. sure, but we are assisting them as the war has gone on. how far do you think putins ames have scaled back? he didn't get to k f, but he started showing it again. do you think he will push again towards the capital? i think he'll try. i think he'll try to think that's what he is trying to get on the little president shanker. i think that one of the possible things

which is asking him is to go in between. yeah. so this swell key accorded or that connects the little so we're cleaning graph and one clip with late though i think that's one of the directional stuff, which is really once lucas trying to get the goal was to move to key. if you think he wants to fight with nato lucas shanker wants to win it, but which ones different which humps? it's an itch that he can't get rid of. is it? i will just admit she wants to crush nasal. that's his strategic goal. crushed april. the way it may happen, if you would provoke of the kind of conflict where nice would not broker the response if say on the attack or for one of the members will actually have them like that, that quality quine. what's nice would look and go article 5, then late,

it was redone, right. what will win? so if it's exists, like prove that it's redundant, presumably. yeah. so, so that's, that's what you're trying to try to look. he thinks the germans, for example, would not be or white way. the lights russian and russian forces with a nuclear threat. and that's why for him, it would be really convenient for the sold will be made by belittle so low pressure itself because the situation would be very much in degree. it is like from russia with another country about this country, acting as rushes proxy and create the local channels within the west on the one to determine how to react them. that may result in article being this desire to provoke a fight with nato. is that why we're seeing the level of anti western rhetoric?

mounting? i think that's more targets to russia's audience because he needs to keep the society consolidated. he needs to get the society alliance allied behind his back. that they would not listen or any me voices like us in february this morning. but she stops working. we see the russian, the lose interest. so the words, military for income they started was more and more questions about the most equipment. and this is something that the august berwick, one of futons united, russia and bes, andrea go off said recently that they'd already chosen which western city would be hit 1st in the event of a world war 3 scenario, not on a would go to london, is that blah, for a serious threat in your view,

justly in every parliament in the world. i think that there are some crazy people, like say different, crazy things just to get more votes during next election. some rational parliament right now is especially reach with such people. one guy's telling about nuclear london, another guy's telling about seeing that you couldn't show more than 4, pretty 3. and you forget that that was the same x, the recognized independence of rush. you've been out because you show me plenty of them. let me start going to but the back of the president, the country guys have just completely out there now with their mind. but the video well profitable. ready for a kremlin, because with, with, with such a lie, so looks like a video game and that's what he wants to build the web. you know,

you better keep me in office because if not me, you know, it would be those guys coming. let's go back if we make your time in russian politics. in 2014, you belong to one of the smaller parties in the duma, the lower house of parliament. and you achieve notoriety by being the only member of that assembly to vote against the annexation of crime. in 2014, did you not think in doing that that you might be signing your test sentence? oh, i had some ideas. yes. i was preparing to go under grounds. i was thinking that i would be physically depressed. pressure me just look in the height out of the thing, but looks like it was personal. which of these you would just say this. otherwise he decided to punish me directly,

but to neutralize them. they are mine. like pushing me outside. russia was a way to neutralize me in rational, but you were featured on a billboard in moscow when you were labeled. you are a national traitor. how do you know a national traitor? that's actually a something that was invented personally by the keeper. this work for the 1st time period than mine come with your old well with. so it's a part of it can be a real be stuck with them. and the results of all his surrounding, you know, all his quotes. yes. and that was a new words and most folks and, and other features with my face. but also some other nice faces because they also don't rock musicians clear who st brought a song some by actually like. ready ready like the compass, so you were in good company, you were in good math, so i was,

i'm very proud to have those for those with me. you know, it's something to make my heard wronger. you suggested that the system in russia needs putin to survive. you, you pictured him, i think, as a, as a spider, the sense of his own self constructed web saying that without him that web would die. why do you believe that isn't his system fully in line with the repressive structures that russians have had to endure for century? oh, actually, what so which law accomplished is the structural for institutes of power. it was very visibly demonstrate that the in 1008, when they switch places with mentoring me at the time, russia was very much the parliamentary public because of the power that will lead him into the government. he was like, a partisan, by a minister,

very much like in great, you know, on the surface. but in reality, no institution is work. the parliament, there is no government there and the security forces and there is no way the president just didn't put them. and people who are his cronies, that's it. that makes the country and very vulnerable, but also makes the system better vulnerable, which and have done the deliberately so that he would not be mixed because every budget, all the parts of the web, the younger his them say, understand how he keeps the boat. so they understand that without him they would not survive. and so the interest that them keeping came as a spider, in, in the sense that his personal security. but in the way, the russian, people still support him in very large numbers. it's impossible to say exactly how large the numbers are,

but what does it say about the russian mentality that repressive stability is considered preferable to freedom. you know, it does not say much about russian policy. it says much about the horror, the but the so $99.00 says we are rationals. we're really here with the calls with we are, we're the destruction of the country and they don't let him up with them. that's what he's trying to push and never says to russians, that i'm the best of the best and the low would be and he's just telling me, maybe i'm not perfect, but others are worse than me. if you will take your those up. are you sure guys, they all are people from 9 since even about the grew up from the stablish month of my interest, so they will return the you to the time. so what it feels there is nothing worse like that. and rational say ok. ok. ok. ok, maybe or look perfect,

maybe even corrupt, maybe, but people on the on, but we have you them to go back in that direction as soon as russians won't see him and sort of answer to this, which looks was it from their eyes? this vision would collapse yellow within the week the, the russian writer, the minister of seroquel, says russians themselves to blame for putin and especially his war. clever people, he says, have had 20 years to work out. who put in is in the early years, oil prices rose living standards improved, and people turned a blind dye to the autocratic excesses. they wandered in luxury. they traded their conscience for material well being and now their reaping the reward is that fair comment was concerned. right? i think it's pretty much on, on, on target, but that's what makes me really said we have in ukraine, the discussion, whether it would rational and to my mind, there are no good russians. the good that i show us with the lurch when they will

replace william, that of which and then those people who would replace him who would stop the war, who would stop the aggression from the blood ship. they would be the brussels and they feel very much for you migrate from which i really love the door and bidding much respect me 3 more out of the noble price floor for $4.00 on the piece, the guy who just sold his lobel price medal raised 100000000 euros, and the needs of them to ukrainian children, mid, severe humanitarian, which i applause. but at the same time, he is rational. if you would believe the same $100000000.00 to replace was in the future, may be let him know which will be gone already. but nobody is right now assisting in year akiva says to actually stop this region. and that makes me really make me

feel whether, whether the rug with rushes, you still offering a $1000000.00 to anyone who can bring putin dead or alive to a war. crimes tribunal. yes. and there were people who followed. believe right now i've heard already several announcements, so it's even higher than this 1000000. then they heard several announcements for different people in which is the stablish ones, which also higher than them the museum. and i think i'm just a mental time. rena. such actions will start so be execute with the rush. we talked at the beginning about current losses on the battlefield. how far does the public mood fluctuate? when people hear news like that is, is the will to fight as strong as ever. and, you know, i think, but the morale is, is very high. people are going more and more disappointed with the position of the

west than general probably, with the exception of great britain. that's what we see are currently in our strongest. why, thanks to the prime minister. it was very popular in ukraine right now, but the general people out with the west because they feel like the west is given just enough weapons to resist russia, but not enough weapon to fight back and raised the 2 or 3 of the country. that's how we've been seen within the ukraine. will be encouraged by the statements of support that came out of the g 7 meeting. i'm talking particularly about the commitment by the french and british leaders to work for russia defeat in the war that was explicitly said, and that seems to have been spelled out more clearly than before. is that of some comfort to people? do you think that gives settlements duration but

difficult. your weapon us will be more useful. i will do friend here. firstly, i think that the with the still shy to say public that we need to replace with the child without his replacement. this war would not stop. i think it's very much just below it's like in the world war 2, you know, people will see lift separately from great britain and soviet union, but would not say i think so. we need to say openly on the public which needs to be replaced. what kind of ukraine, what kind of russia do you see emerging in the end, from this conflict? franca speaking, i think that the, the, those would be very much alike. i think they will be democratic, i think they will be free or i think that will be very much decentralized with our

people at the grassroots level and they think they will be members of european union. the board members will sleep abroad if we can avoid world war 3. absolutely, absolutely. and that's our chewing. literally the area upon the mario, thanks very much for being on conflict. so thanks for having. ah ah, with

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