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so the school was crazy, they were pretty fun, almost 50 years ago when a group of most reviews. yes, that decided they wanted to race organizer in radcliffe soci surprise there still enough people crazy to to wants to compete coming up next day on the w, enclosed up in argentine with the children of a dictators henchmen speak out about their parents and crimes. so that's a next and i've read gospel ha, world news at the top of these out. i'm good with leonardo da vinci's, mysterious masterpiece is perhaps the greatest leonardo masterpiece in the collection of the louvre. it is the virgin of the rocks. was there another
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symbolic meaning to this beautiful painting that perhaps we just don't understand today? the search for answers starts july 7th on d. w. beneath the supporting pillars of the oven highway in bonus, iras, the ruins of a secret prison remain largely concealed. it dates back to the 19 seventies and the days of argentina's military dictatorship. ah, only a few broken walls of isabel here and what was once the basement of a police station, henchmen for the dictatorship, tortured and killed leftist opponents of the regime. i'm witness to an unusual
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meeting between 2 women. one, anna maria cutter. yaga was tortured under the regime and is plagued by traumatic memories. the other analia. colonic is the daughter of anna marie as torturer and wants to know everything about her father's crimes. and here there was a room with a bag. i laid there to sometimes it. and you were pregnant graham, but i said yes, this area served as a sick room when they hurt us too badly. we often had eye infection. this as we always have to wear blindfolds them, they also try to torture and gum shortly his hair. another of my father's victims denise said she was brutally tortured and that my father told her. you have broken ribs, but we won't bandage your wound. so you won't hang yourself with the bandage. most of the prisoners were murdered. anna maria cut a yaga survived wonderfully when the tortures went out and said to each other pe
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you carry on and i have to collect my daughter from school. when they talked about their family, it sounded creepy. the fact that they could go out of this under world of horror and live a normal family life that they could look their wives, daughters, and sons, and the i, i always thought that was strange symptom, assemble at this year, miss e m aliya. and when anna leah learned from court testimony, what her father did during the dictatorship period face when she asked herself a similar question when it said, how could he embrace me with the same hands that he was using to torture others? i would as say, it said, did it no walk along romping. my breaking of all ties with my father has nothing to do with anger, rejection or contempt for him. as a father, i want to keep my former feelings towards him as a father because he is my dad and because
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he put k to poke in. okay. and, and because i understand that a part of myself is linked to him. if he can, i think it can be awesome. this leaves me with many questions there. how could my father maintain his double life within the family circle? he always wanted to protect us, his daughters. that's why the fact that my father was perpetrating genocide is particularly frightening. a person in whom i used to find love and affection suddenly becomes very scary. and aaliyah's father was known to his victims as doctor k. in 2010, he was sentenced to life in prison for torturing and murdering nearly 300 people.
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on a li, a process as her trauma, through writing. mamma life that i am a mother, a teacher, a psychologist, i am his daughter. we no longer speak to each other. i shouldn't have asked questions and yeah, i could do that. i should have remained silent with not thinking, not feeling, not knowing, simply obeying. but i'm not capable of that. i'm not worthy of him. it seems as if i'm not a daughter worthy of a perpetrator of genocide and neither by that no, neither. not the true psychologist and teacher is now 42 years old. she teaches a 2 schools and is also studying law. on the side. she herself had a strict upbringing. her father was a police commissioner and believed in discipline. and aliyah invites me into her home. she likes to have guests in her childhood,
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those strangers weren't welcome. her father always gave the impression that the outside world was a threat to their sheltered home life. but analia is now more open minded and has broken out of the construct of lies surrounding her supposedly exemplary catholic family. there isn't. was there a particular moment that led to the break with your father shall go get dinner, go out one night. the turning point was definitely the announcement of his trial in the newspaper. we should ann on the salad and all day after a lengthy investigation, my father was to be brought to trial. yon e troy gone. i read his court file and went to him with it. saying mano, explain this to me. another one becometh her father said he acted out of obedience and love for his country. then he withdrew into silence in court. he refused to testify. slowly aim complete, thus is laudable, emilio colonic sliver age since 50 sophia marital status that are married. so job
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your training or for matthew on going me retired police commissioner to see of her that ah, argentina stands out as a country that has mostly worked hard to prosecute the states violent crimes of the past. the wave of arrests and trials began slowly and did not get into full swing until 20 years. after the end of the dictatorship after president nestor kitchener took office in 2003 at that time i reported from borne as iris as an onlooker. i finally, someone has the courage to do what needs to be done. he's not afraid of the united states. the perpetrators will pay for their crime. escape from a debt under freeman. i have come at 2005 mark the end of impunity. the parliament and senate voted to repeal an amnesty law. the mothers of plaza demira,
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celebrated the women. his children and grandchildren had disappeared under the military regime had demanded their cases be investigated. they protests with a driving force that prompted argentina to stop dealing with its past. the regime of terror, largely operated in secret. in the late 19 seventies, they were more than 600 cova detention centers where thousands were tortured and murdered. the perpetrators try to cover over the traces and rewrite history. to this day they deny that some 30000 people disappeared. but the testimony of the survivors speaks volumes. now that they tied me naked to a metal table, they tortured me with electric shock. it'll soon enough, they doused my eyes, nose and ears was gasoline. they burst my ear drum with them and after treating the
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wounds they dragged me back to the torture chamber. a fellow who then we'll be with you are the intolerable beauty. see comedy. anna maria carry aga, who was taught it by edward kelley, nick provided vital testimony in an early trial right off to the end of the dictatorship. the daughter of her till mental was in her mid twenties when she began to distance herself from her father. to day analia cali neck can no longer stand lies. lisa, she has told her 2 sons about their grandfather's crimes in her husband, luis is in full agreement.
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ah, but in her own family, she is considered a traitor. her father and 2 of his sisters have launched a lawsuit against analia to stop her from claiming her inheritance position at the corner of the go, it will not the good. yes she my low been tough enough. amelia said when and now the joint law suits my her sisters, so it's absolutely inexplicable 100 regarding what's bad is bad them no matter what your views might be. well, they have to torture and kill a human being or something evil. i live to the dictatorship and levers. it shows you why we will elaborate what official, these cowardly types had and still have the backing of their corporations yellow police to she. my father in law still gets his salary today, but she still enjoys a lot of privileges that he should not have. she, she good thing and neither he nor any of them could have given
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a new meaning. what alexio's. oh, analia collects and analyzes letters and documents to gain more clarity about what actually happened. unlike most descendants of the regime abuses her thirst for information is insatiable. the widow an ally, as mother found her attitude unforgivable. he looked well, i see you right, that your mother reproached you because of how well your father had taken care of. the family is that guy dies hammond. i'm on the bottom. she wrote in an email until after all your father has done for us to get, i'm going to fight the now we have land even nothing there but a few that of the man with his good salary. he paid for the best schooling for, you know, and for the police sports club. i'm not a, don't i lisa. and she listed all the benefits we enjoyed through our father, me,
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but by your lovely, see only a little didn't go look. i said they go to super lagossi. does i once asked him? did it never occurred to you that you were hurting people? which i was, he answered, yes, i thought about that very often of like when i looked up that i discussed it with the military clergyman and the clergy told us keep it up. hope you are fighting the anti christ. what this is done, lou, jumbo wonderland degree. what is choice look guilty? boatley that said that gave him a reason to continue committees and all good conscience as he told me, i love to go to chicago, cynthia lee. so it's perverse. totally sick. them for me. they film reloaded. 70 are you having doubts dawning when? oh, ye sh on earth on us. i know with all we're all affected. and this is not over yet that we know. what if he's really worried about the gear? so he won't be relieved. figured, melissa,
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that's what juncture afaik has told me. it was an transfer to house arrest is only possible if he's dying. oh, yes. dana that i pick us is a very high profile judge in argentina. his extensive efforts to investigate and gather evidence of crimes committed under the dictatorship, has led to dozens of convictions on the lee as father was one of them now and aliya has returned to danielle. it affects us to seek advice. nowhere. oh, i know what we are. she trusts to the man who put her father behind boss well or thought better. it's my great pleasure to present tea with my life story. it's partly, thanks to you that this book has come about with a full salary. philip was that he got them he
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said, man, a settlement right now i have a problem with my sisters that they're insisting that any time now he could be allowed out for limited periods. and that when he turned 70, he'll get transferred to house arrest for them as of yet. no, no, he won't get that. not as a rule very lucky only if he is terminally ill or hasn't illness that cannot be treated in a hospital prison. in that case, imprisonment would be considered cruel punishment, and as such, unconstitutional, that will be able to but otherwise he won't be allowed out. on over an india is fighting to ensure that none of those who committed crimes under the dictatorship or an out early release on may 10th 2017. she stood shoulder to shoulder with victims of the regime and hundreds of thousands of attend tenens to protest. a court ruling that could have led to shore to prison terms for men like
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her father. starting that day and aliya began meeting the daughters of other regime criminals. a month later, they appeared together for the 1st time at a feminist march. they questioned the rigid patriarchy in their own families. the new collective which was predominantly female, cold itself, disobedient stories, daughters and sons of genocide, perpetrators, for truth memory and justice. liliana for you is a documentary filmmaker and has been part of the group from the start. her father, who was the head of an army intelligence division, died in house arrest. pablo vieira is one of the 1st men in the group. his father
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was an army doctor. ah, ah. then the owner's wife unit is from germany. they met while ow tango, dancing the group now numbers more than a 100 people. all relatives of former regime criminals most are not willing to talk to the press. o one ma'am, we're really going here. they discussed their experiences and write about their struggles that they've already published a book together. at times it feels a bit like group therapy, but they're also activists fighting for justice. why?
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true? okay. well did, but let me introduce you to lorna. she is also part of the disobedient stories collective and was one of the 1st to join us is our 5th war. jubal romano, though i was plagued by questions of what my found the did and whether he was a murderer. i kept suppressing all these emotions inside me, but when it emerged their sentences could get reduced. i knew i had to take action, but if this were a now to happen again, they could kill us all the need to act on the experience of going public for the 1st time brought us together. then everything started to gather momentum by itself, like an avalanche that we began to speak out and say everything necessary. yeah, lady a little bit, i think is in his audio. yes sir. yes. one is what, right. and we fight for human rights and to ensure that these crimes aren't forgotten. just my normally for guns here,
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let me maria know made that is how much are left with your stories. interest, me very much. i want to hear them because my thoughts, feelings, and powers of imagination on sufficient to understand what it must be like to face the murderer. who's your father? when the sooner will forgive me for when i came face to face with my father, after discovering it was terrible. the very shocking. he said, what besides, i was afraid. he was always violent merely though once i told him, you know, if i had lived under the dictatorship for a few more years, i would have been forcibly disappeared and murdered by the state to the soon as read. thus i saw her because i am a leftist, i'm a rebel and a feminist, and a lesbian. he couldn't deny it. he knew i was right, so we're glad. i mean, when we mother, we phone. but when we book, i speak very little with my mother. i haven't spoken to my father since 2013. not a lot when he admitted to me that he took part in the death flights and in the
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abduction of regime opponents. that was our last conversation. i followed him, i wickedness india deadlock and in 2018. when he threatened me and my family, i told him everything to his face, but that was no longer a conversation and definitely it was my testimony in a court trial, telephone it up to a tele, glenville global, the theater, who is young, and a girl who loves guess is, what exactly does your father did buy it, but the people in la jolla them, why did they get up on the st. louis on and he was involved in the death flights on this up. what is he? the victims were thrown alive into the sea or the river fell on us on expedius. he injected them with strong sedatives beforehand to keep them still during the flight sympathetic to we had the more the listeners award. when can, how come your father has still free after committing such crimes? forgetful even because my testimony is not valid for his conviction. in argentina, you are not allowed to testify against your own parents. i launch legal action
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saying a genocide killer was on the loose, but he was never convicted or they don't know gus in oh, beautiful moment. ah, the daughters and sons one to be able to testify against their parents to help get them convicted. they've requested that parliament amend the penal code so that testimony against family members would be accepted. it's a complicated process and congress would have to agree. i'm told the chances of getting the law changed. i'm not good at the moment. bringing public father to justice along with others, the way involved in the death flights will be difficult. in december 1977, 3 women were thrown into the rio de la plata. they were found is of the protest movement. mothers of the plaza de mile. one of them was the mother of anna maria, carry aga together with other activists. her mother had been kidnapped from the
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santa cruz church and bonus iris. most bishop supported the military dictatorship, but this parish saw to protect regime critics. for these are the human rights activists. this is lanika hall also with that else or galle. let's have some the girls. when these are the relatives of victims who were taken from the church, 2 french nuns together with 3 founders of the collective of the mothers of the plus andi mile lower and american. bless her martial. gwendolen, if you talk about 3 mothers who were searching for their missing daughters go, why do you exclude yourself from the narrative? you were one of those daughters. see? yes, he sealants. not about. mean, i mean, i got, the mothers were searching together for all those who had disappeared or it is. the collector struggle was born out of the fact that all these individual family tragedies came together. lad, in new alga family, i mean,
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you'll never hear your singular. m annemarie as mother did not remain missing the river washed her body to the shore. her remains now lined the garden of the santa cruz church. it's become a memorial. ah. right, her remains have become proof of the final solution. is a plan for eliminating all the body was this union at which the dictator was proud of herself. what those infamous death flights at that available looking? i'm what am i'm immediately struck by her use of the nazi term. final solution used for the dues. i've arranged to meet judge daniel affect us at the holocaust museum and boy in his iris. he believed that argentina's military dictatorship was inspired by naziism. his book on the history
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of hitler's final solution is well known in argentina jersey santa maria, carry out of the anna maria carry. aga speaks about the final solution. is what happened in argentina, comparable to that messy internet. see where and all this is will go and go, but i will be de luca, la loca, you can't really compare them. but amid the logic of the final solution is present, right from the start of argentina's, military dictatorship. even what are my choices in the safe and me buys? on march 24th, 1976, i think the military junta decided to eliminate the leftist movement by physically annihilating all left his groups and their supporters are many danasia. make you wait leaving us, you'll figure it. oh no. the mass shootings, it has the secret camps and the death flights were part of that plan of it. they belong the solution. if you have, if it gets implemented, i go with thousands of people disappeared and are still untraceable to day yong
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gone. our generation is now putting this final solution process in our country on trial, the and convicting the criminals is what sort of shopping i isic. and also the thought of knocking. asking them who run lincolnton under timothy, twice in 2006. the court called the hunter's crimes genocide. so the sons and daughters of the disobedient stories grew whole. they fathers, perpetrators of genocide. but many argue that the systematic plan of extermination wasn't purely an argentinian creation. international interests will also play the piano at a body says her father worked for military intelligence and was trained by american and french offices his headquarters. we're located in this building in the center of glen as iris.
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i've got it, but can you whole strategy of state tara, during the 19 seventy's was coordinated from here. i've got all of the secret service officers were trained in panama for and in the united states. okay. put on a month. have been a minute though. then french military veterans also came to provide training and torture and human extermination. they gained their experience from the atrocities they had committed against civilians in the algerian wall. several frenchman came to winnow cyrus before night as lou 70. a said, even before my parents got to balls, when i was just a little girl, i remember that into actions that my father had with these frenchman larry less
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younger than young validate. and faith. did you know what your father was doing? no savvy except that i didn't know for sure. i suspected it, but i couldn't deal with it back there. at 1st, i wasn't able to do the research and seek out information. i read. i think it would have killed me. i would have committed suicide. good movies and why do i wish i didn't? i've noticed that so many of you have a background in psychology. i see that i think what was that important for you to be able to stand up to your father's think? yes, i love what saved me. it was words and being able to speak of it. that's why i love friday and that's why i will always practice psychoanalysis. i'll seek one later on either no way is the intellectual legacy of sigmund freud more alive than in boy in his iris. freud's
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theory of the uncanny in people and his approach to coming to terms with the past is something anna maria, her yoga is very familiar with. she teaches freud's theories to university students . allow my nana is down when when oh, death with it that what you are experiencing is an important contribution to society and associate also for societies that have so far not condemned such crime room for the coming to terms with the past is very healthy for a person's life living. you're already crossing borders. you're reaching other countries, aren't you? even europe, germany will burn in hell. see face? yes, jelly. brazil have soon, paraguay, uruguay. and witness who in touch with the descendants of nazis who marvel at us. cosette on her blizzard. that's why your work is so important. more and more
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women and men adjoining disobedient stories. 60, more recently, even 3rd generation relatives, nicholas threw up to his grandfather, was sentenced to 25 years in prison. but no one in the family ever talks about his crimes. nicholas decided to break the silence and perceive the truth. doyle, i am pretty late here. he invoke the boy. i will adequate. i had the privilege of meeting the only survivor who testified against my grandfather in court. e. oh, it's very difficult and upsetting a mock and i'm afraid of that but, but this contact with her gives me the strength to continue to see him. but if that i said the victims always say thank you know that, that's the 1st thing. they thank you for speaking publicly. excellent. i like brings that's one of the main reasons. i'm still on this path. media. mm mm.
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i seen as a disobedient stories, relatives or genocide, perpetrators for truth and justice. okay. i admit, sadly that it took me a long time to come to terms with what my father had done to me by. like what i remember the shame of my name. you the fear of being known as a descendant of a killer, and you gave me only fair contempt pain. untangle, you love the guilt at different levels and the subsequent silence. nokia, i don't want to love him. okay. it's too painful. ah ah, we've got some hot tips for your bucket list. romantic cornered, tread hotspot for food, chair and some great cultural memorials to boot w
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travel. we go i am can't the guy here in iowa sexual assault survivor. them to step out and say the truth has women in asia of that i p. c. it's peaceable, nothing can stop me. that is seeking job and women into starts july 6th. ah, this weekend world story, friends drawing against the terror trauma.
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