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oh, ready knows. welcome to tech told me about hackers and paralyzed me to your societies. computers than elsewhere. you and governments that go crazy for your data. we explain how these technologies work, how they can go some for and that's how they can also go terribly. watch it now on youtube. beneath the supporting pillars of the oven highway and bonus are, is the ruins of a secret prison remain largely concealed. it dates back to the 19 seventies and the
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days of argentina's military dictatorship. only a few broken walls of isabel. here in what was once the basement of a police station, henchmen for the dictatorship, tortured and killed leftist opponents of the regime. i'm witness to an unusual meeting between 2 women. one, anna maria cutty. yaga was tortured under the regime and is plagued by traumatic memories. the other analia clinic is the daughter of anna marie, has torturer and wants to know everything about her father's crimes. he said here there was a room with a bag. i laid there to sometimes it. and you were pregnant. graham but um yes, this area served as a sick room when they hurt us too badly. we often had eye infection this as we
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always have to wear blindfold them. they also treated torture and gum shortly his hair. another of my father's victims, denise said she was brutally tortured and that my father told her you have broken ribs, but we won't bandage your wound so you won't hang yourself with the bandage. most of the prisoners were murdered. anna maria cut a yaga survived. when the sun, when the tortures went out and said to each other pe, you carry on. and i have to collect my daughter from school. when they talked about their family, it sounded creepy. the fact that they could go out of this under world of horror and live a normal family life that they could look their wives, daughters, and sons, and the i, i always thought that was strange symptom, assemble at this year, miss e m aliya. and when anna leah learned from court testimony, what her father did during the dictatorship period face went up. she asked herself
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a similar question when it said, how could he embrace me with the same hands that he was using to torture others? me? i would as say, it said that it now walk along bumping my breaking of all ties with my father has nothing to do with anger, rejection or contempt for him. as a father. i want to keep my former feelings towards him as a father because he is my dad and because he put get it working in okay. and and me because i understand it a part of myself is linked to him. if there he can. i think m s m,
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this leaves me with many questions. how could my father maintain his double life within the family circle? he always wanted to protect us, his daughters. that's why the fact that my father was perpetrating genocide is particularly frightening. a person in whom i used to find love and affection suddenly becomes very scary. and aaliyah's father was known to his victims as doctor k. in 2010, he was sentenced to life in prison for torturing and murdering nearly 300 people. on a li, a process as her trauma, through writing. mamma life that i am a mother, a teacher, a psychologist, i am his daughter. we no longer speak to each other. i shouldn't have asked questions and yeah, i could do that. i should have remained silent with not thinking, not feeling, not knowing, simply obeying. but i'm not capable of that. i'm not worthy of him. it seems as if i'm not a daughter worthy of a perpetrator of genocide in life. by that no, neither. not
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the true psychologist and teacher is now 42 years old. she teaches a 2 schools and is also studying law. on the side. she herself had a strict upbringing. her father was a police commissioner and believed in discipline. and aliyah invites me into her home. she likes to have guests in her childhood, those strangers weren't welcome. her father always gave the impression that the outside world was a threat to their sheltered home life. but analia is now more open minded and has broken out of the construct of lies surrounding her supposedly exemplary catholic family. there is, was there a particular moment that led to the break with your father shall go get the n a go at one at the turning point was definitely the announcement of his trial in the newspaper. we should an on the fellow line all day. and after
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a lengthy investigation, my father was to be brought to trial. yon e troy gone. i read his court file and went to him with it, saying, mano, explain this to me. another one becometh her father said he acted out of obedience and love for his country. then he withdrew into silence in court. he refused to testify. slowly aim complete, thus is laudable, emilio clinic sweater, age 50 south daniel morales status that are married. so job your training or for matthew on go me retired police commissioner to see of her. ah, argentina stands out as a country that has mostly worked hard to prosecute the states violent crimes of the past. the wave of arrests and trials began slowly and did not get into full swing until 20 years. after the end of the dictatorship. after president ness
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door kitchener took office in 2003. at that time, i reported from born as iris as an onlooker. i finally, someone has the courage to do what needs to be done. he's not afraid of the united states. the perpetrators will pay for their crime. escape. i'm at the, at, on the claim and i could come at the 2005 mark the end of impunity. the parliament and senate voted to repeal an amnesty law. the mothers of plaza demiris, celebrated the women. his children and grandchildren had disappeared under the military regime had demanded their cases be investigated. they protests with a driving force that prompted argentina to start dealing with its past. the regime of terror largely operated in secret, and the late 19 seventies. they were more than $600.00 cova detention centers where
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thousands were tortured and murdered. the perpetrators try to cover over the traces and rewrite history. to this day, they deny that some 30000 people disappeared. but the testimony of the survivors speaks volumes that they don't, they tied me naked to a metal table. they tortured me with electric shock. wilson enough, they doused eyes, nose and ears with gasoline. they burst my ear drum with them. and after treating the wounds they dragged me back to the torture chamber about a fellow who that would open as you were looking over the beautiful thing from it. anna maria carry aga, who was tortured by edward de clinic, provided vital testimony in an early trial. right? off to the end of the dictatorship,
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the daughter of her till mental was in her mid twenties when she began to distance herself from her father. to day analia cali neck can no longer stand lies isa. she has told her 2 sons about the grandfather's crimes. in her husband, luis is in full agreement. ah, but in her own family, she's considered a traitor. her father and 2 of his sisters have launched a lawsuit against annaleeah to stop her from claiming her inheritance. this issue at the corner of the go, it'll look like yes, she might have been tough enough. amelia said when and now the joint lawsuits my her sister said it's absolutely inexplicable when it got it. what's bad? it's bad and no matter what your views might be, whether to torture and kill
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a human being or something evil. i live to the dictator ship and levers. it shows you why we will label globalization. these cowardly types had and still have the backing of their corporations yellow quality to shield my father in law still gets his salary today, but she still enjoys a lot of privileges that he should not have. she she good thing and neither he nor any of them have been given a new meaning. what alexio's. oh, analia collects and analyzes letters and documents to gain more clarity about what actually happened. unlike most descendants of the regime abuses her thirst for information is insatiable. the widow an ally as mother found her attitude unforgivable. fema
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wise, you write that your mother reproach to you because of how well your father had taken care of. the family is that god dies home at i'm on the bottom. she wrote in an email until after all your father has done for us to get him going to fight the now we have land even nothing there but a few that athena man with his good salary. he paid for the best schooling for, you know, and for the police sports club, i'm not a, don't i lisa. and she listed all the benefits we enjoyed through our father honeypot vajella pussy o'neill. it but it didn't go. luca said they go to super lagossi. does i once asked him, did it never occurred to you that you were hurting people? which i was, he answered, yes, i thought about that very often of like one of the companies that i discussed it with the military clergyman and the clergy told us keep it up because you are fighting the anti christ. what this is done through gender, wonderland degree is choice. look guilty bully that said that gave him
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a reason to continue committees and all good conscience as he told me, i love to go to suppose shantia lee, so it's perverse. totally sick them for me. they film really sunny. are you having doubts, dawning willow? ye sh, marathoners o no fool, we're all affected. and this is not over yet, and we know what if he is released, but the good people, so he won't be released figured. melissa, that's what judge or a fake has told me. it was an transfer to house arrest is only possible if he's dying. oh, well yeah. daniel, that i pick us is a very high profile judge in argentina. his extensive efforts to investigate and gather evidence of crimes committed under the dictatorship has led to dozens of convictions on the lee as father was one of them. now analia has returned to danny
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of africa's to seek advice away. oh no. we. she trusts to the man who put her father behind boss william wilson. but it's my great pleasure to present key with my life story. it's hockey thanks to you that this book has come about with them in little salary. philip was that he had gone down he said, man, i said right now i have a problem with my sisters that they're insisting that any time now he could be allowed out for limited periods. and that when he turned 70, he'll get transferred to house arrest for them as of yet. no, no, he won't get that. not as a rule very lucky only if he is terminally ill or hasn't illness that cannot be treated in a hospital prison. in that case, imprisonment would be considered cruel punishment, and as such, unconstitutional,
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that will be able to but otherwise he won't be allowed out. on over an india is fighting to ensure that none of those who committed crimes under the dictatorship or an out early release on may 10th 2017. she stood shoulder to shoulder with victims of the regime and hundreds of thousands of attend tenens to protest the court ruling that could have led to shore to prison terms for men like her father. starting that day and aliya began meeting the daughters of other regime criminals. a month later, they appeared together for the 1st time at a feminist march. they questioned the rigid patriarchy in their own families. the new collective which was predominantly female, called itself disobedient stories, daughters and sons of genocide, perpetrators for truth memory and justice. liliana
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for you is a documentary filmmaker and has been part of the group from the start. her father, who was the head of an army intelligence division, died in house arrest. pablo vieira is one of the 1st men in the group. his father was an army doctor. ah, ah, ah. liliana's wife unit is from germany. they met while our tango dancing and the group now numbers more than a 100 people. all relatives of former regime criminals most are not willing to talk
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to the press. oh yeah. with that one room we're really going. yeah. they discussed their experiences and write about their struggles that they've already published a book together. at times it feels a bit like group therapy, but they're also activists fighting. put, asked us to remember. well that, but let me introduce you to lorna. she's also part of the disobedient stories collector and was one of the 1st to join us is our 5th war. jubal omitted though i was plagued by questions of what my found the dead and whether he was a murderer. i kept suppressing all these emotions inside me, but when it emerged their sentences could get reduced. i knew i had to take action,
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but if this were a now to happen again, they could kill us all the need to act on the experience of going public for the 1st time brought us together. then everything started to gather momentum by itself . like an avalanche. exactly. we began to speak out and say everything necessary. yeah. radio. i think i was in his audio. i will. yes sir. yes. one is $11.00. right? and we fight for human rights and to ensure that these crimes aren't forgotten, to whom i normally put burns, helium memoria no made. that is how much left with your stories, interest me very much. i want to hear them because my thoughts, feelings, and powers of imagination on sufficient to understand what it must be like to face the murderer. who's your father when the suitable for me for when i came face to face with my father after discovering it was terrible. the very shocking. he said, what was it? besides, i was afraid. he was always violent merely though once i told him, you know, if i had lived under the dictatorship for a few more years,
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i would have been forcibly disappeared and murdered by the state to resume as a lead. thus i saw where the because i am a leftist, i'm a rebel and a feminist city, and a lesbian. he couldn't deny it. he knew i was right, we're glad. i mean, when we mother, we phone, but on my book i speak very little with my mother. i haven't spoken to my father since 2013, not at all. when he admitted to me that he took part in the death flights. and in the abduction of regime opponents, that was our last conversation. i followed the my wickedness india catalogue, and in 2018 when he threatened me and my family, i told him everything to his face. but that was no longer a conversation and definitely it was my testimony in a court trial on it up to a tele glanville, global the theater, who is young and a girl without love cases. what exactly does your father did by today? in fact, the people in la jolla that i'm wanted to pick it up on the,
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to we on and he was involved in the death flights on this up. what is he? the victims were thrown alive into the sea or the river fell on us on expedius. he injected them with strong sedatives beforehand to keep them still during the flight sympathetic to hear the more the listeners hoard. then how come your father is still free? after committing such crimes, forgetful even because my testimony is not valid for his conviction. in argentina, you are not allowed to testify against your own parents. i launch legal action saying a genocide killer was on the loose, but he was never convicted or they don't know gus in oh, beautiful moment. ah, the daughters and sons one to be able to testify against their parents to help get them convicted. they've requested that parliament amend the penal code so the testimony against family members would be accepted. it's a complicated process and congress would have to agree untold. the chances of
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getting the law changed. i'm not good at the moment. bringing pablo's father to justice along with others. who were involved in the death flights will be difficult . in december 1977, 3 women were thrown into the rio de la plata. they were found is of the protest movement mothers of the plaza de mile. one of them was the mother of anna maria, carry aga together with other activists. her mother had been kidnapped from the santa cruz church and bonus iris. most bishop supported the military dictatorship, but this parish saw to protect regime critics. for these are the human rights activists. this is lanika follow up with that else. i got a letter from the girls when these are the relatives of victims who were taken from the church, 2 french nuns, together with 3 founders of the collective of the models of the plaza, the mile lower, and american. bless her martial. gwendolen, if you talk about 3 mothers who was searching for their missing daughters go,
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why do you exclude yourself from the narrative? you were one of those daughters to see yes, the sealants, not about me. i mean, i got the mothers were searching together for all those who had disappeared in the collective struggle was born out of the fact that all these individual family tragedies came together. lad, in new and gaff emilia, you'll never hear your singular. m. annemarie as mother did not remain missing the river washed her body to the shore. her remains now lie in the garden of the santa cruz church. it's become a memorial right . her remains have become proven. the final solution is a plan for eliminating all the body was this unit,
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which the dictator was proud of. what those infamous death flights at that have a hell of william water. mm. i'm immediately struck by her use of the nazi term, final solution used for the dues. i've arranged to meet judge daniel affect us at the holocaust museum and born as iris. he believed that argentina's military dictatorship was inspired by naziism. his book on the history of hitler's final solution is well known in argentina jersey santa maria, carry out of the anna maria carry. aga speaks about the final solution. is what happened in argentina, comparable to that messy and i see where noise is. we'll go and go by lippitt or la loca luke. you can't really compare them. but amid the logic of the final solution is present right from the start of argentina's military dictatorship. even the ones are a mile south in the safe and me vice on march 24th 1976. i think the military junta
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decided to eliminate the leftist movement by physically annihilating all left his groups. and their supporters are many danasia make you wait leaving us, you'll figure it. oh no. the mass shootings, it has the secret camps and the death flights were part of that plan. it belong dissolution of united this implement and i go with thousands of people disappeared and are still untraceable to day yong gone. no more. our generation is now putting this final solution process in our country on trial, the and convicting the criminals is what sort of, you know, a 2nd for the thought of it and organizing. i'm a who run lincolnton under timothy twice in 2006. the court called the hunter's crimes genocide. so the sons and daughters of the disobedient stories grew whole. they fathers, perpetrators of genocide. but many argue that the systematic
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plan of extermination wasn't purely an argentinian creation. international interests will also play the piano at a body says her father worked for military intelligence and was trained by american and french offices. his headquarters. we're located in this building in the center of glen is iris. i've got it, but he knew a whole strategy of state tara, during the 19 seventy's was coordinated from here. all the secret service officers were trained in panama and in the united states. okay. wait a minute. then french military veterans also came to provide training and torture and human extermination. before they gained their experience
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from the atrocities they had committed against civilians and the algerian wall. several frenchman came to leno cyrus before 9 know 70 a said guy, even before my parents got divorced, when i was just a little girl. and i remember the interactions that my father had with these frenchman, larry less younger than he only felt it and see did you know what your father was doing? no savvy, except that i didn't know for sure. i suspected it, but i couldn't deal with that back there. at 1st, i wasn't able to do the research and seek out information on that. i think it would have killed me. i would have committed suicide, can release him. why do i wish and i didn't, i've noticed that so many of you have
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a background in psychology. i see that i think what was that important for you to be able to stand up to your father's think? yes, i love. what saved me. it was words and being able to speak of it. that's why i love friday and that's why i will always practice psychoanalysis. i'll seek one elevator and either no way is the intellectual legacy of sigmund freud more alive than in boy in his iris. freud's theory of the uncanny in people and his approach to coming to terms with the past is something anna maria, cal yoga is very familiar with. she teaches freud's theories to university students . allow my nana is down when when o death of the world. is that what you are experiencing is an important
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contribution to society and associate. also for societies that have so far not condemned, such crime, learn or coming to terms with the past is very healthy for a person's life. love you. you're already crossing borders. are you reaching other countries? aren't you? even europe, germany will burn my face. yes. chilly brazil of soon, paraguay, uruguay. and witness who in touch with the descendants of nazis who marvel lattice cosette on her place with. that's why your work is so important. more and more women and men adjoining disobedient stories. city, maurice and he even 3rd generation relatives, nicholas threw up to his grandfather, was sentenced to 25 years in prison. but no one in the family ever talks about his crimes. nicholas decided to break the silence and proceed the truth. well, i am pretty late here. he invoked i believe i will. adequate. i had the privilege
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of meeting the only survivor who testified against my grandfather in court. he, i order. it's very difficult and upsetting a mock and i'm in florida, but, but this contact with her gives me the strength to continue to see him. but if that i said the victims always say thank you know that, that's the 1st thing. they thank you for speaking publicly. excellent. i laugh because that's one of the main reasons. i'm still on this path. media. mm mm. i seen as a disobedient stories, relatives are genocide, perpetrators for truth and justice. okay. i admit, sadly that it took me a long time to come to terms with what my father had done to me by. like what i remember the shame of my name. you the fear of being known as a descendant of a killer book. you gave me only fair contempt pain. untangle you down the gilt at different levels and the subsequent silence. nokia, i don't want to love him. okay. it's too painful. ah
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