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to do go, oh, magic. discover the world around you. subscribe to the w documentary on youtube. beneath the supporting pillars of the oven highway and burn his r is the ruins of a secret prison remain largely concealed. it dates back to the 19 seventies and the days of argentina's military dictatorship. ah,
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only a few broken walls of isabel here in what was once the basement of a police station, henchmen for the dictatorship, tortured and killed leftist opponents of the regime. i am witness to an unusual meeting between 2 women. one, anna maria cutter. yaga was tortured under the regime and is plagued by traumatic memories. the other analia. colonic is the daughter of anna marie as torturer and wants to know everything about her father's crimes. he said here, there was a room with a bag. i laid there to sometimes it and you were pregnant. gonna graham but um yes, if this area served as a sick room when they hurt us too badly. we often had eye infection. this as we always have to wear blindfold them, they also treated torture and gum shortly his hair. another of my father's victims
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denise said she was brutally tortured and that my father told her. you have broken ribs, but we won't bandage your wound, so you won't hang yourself with the bandage. most of the prisoners were murdered. anna maria cut a yaga survived when the sun, when the tortures went out and said to each other pe you carry on. and i have to collect my daughter from school. when they talked about their family, it sounded creepy. the fact that they could go out of this under world of horror and live a normal family life and that they could look their wives, daughters, and sons. and the i, i always thought that was strange symptom. assemble at this year, miss e m aliya. and when anna leah learned from court testimony, what her father did during the dictatorship period face when she asked herself a similar question, how could he embraced me with the same hands that he was using to torture others?
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i would asset. it said that it now walk along bumping my breaking of all ties with my father has nothing to do with anger, rejection or contempt for him as a father. i want to keep my former feelings towards him as a father because he is my dad. and because he put k, if we're going to look at what and me because i understand it, a part of myself is linked to him. if there he can. i think m s m, this leaves me with many questions. how could my father maintain his double life within the family circle? he always wanted to protect us,
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his daughters. that's why the fact that my father was perpetrating genocide is particularly frightening. a person in whom i used to find love and affection suddenly becomes very scary. and aaliyah's father was known to his victims as doctor k. in 2010, he was sentenced to life in prison for torturing and murdering nearly 300 people on a li, a process as her trauma, through writing my math life that i am a mother, a teacher, a psychologist, i'm his daughter. we no longer speak to each other. i shouldn't have asked questions and yeah, i could do that. i should have remained silent with not thinking, not feeling, not knowing, simply obeying. but i am not capable of that. i am not worthy of him. it seems as if i'm not a daughter worthy of a perpetrator of genocide, neither by that no, neither. not the true psychologist and teacher is now 42 years old. she teaches
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a 2 schools and is also studying law on the side. she herself had a strict upbringing. her father was a police commissioner and believed in discipline. and aliyah invites me into her home. she likes to have guests in her childhood, those strangers weren't welcome. her father always gave the impression that the outside world was a threat to their sheltered home life. but analia is now more open minded and has broken out of the construct of lies surrounding her supposedly exemplary catholic family. there is, was there a particular moment that led to the break with your father shall go get dinner, go out one night. the turning point was definitely the announcement of his trial in the newspaper. we should ann on the felon all day after a lengthy investigation. my father was to be brought to trial on e troy gone. i read his court file and went to him with it, saying, mano,
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explain this to me. another one becometh her father said he acted out of obedience and love for his country. then he withdrew into silence in court. he refused to testify. slowly, a new complete dusk is laudable, emilio gulley, nick, weather, age, 50, sophia, marital status that are married. so job your training or for matthew on go me retired police commissioner to see of her that ah, argentina stands out as a country that has mostly worked hard to prosecute the states violent crimes of the past. the wave of arrests and trials began slowly and did not get into full swing until 20 years. after the end of the dictatorship. after president ness door kitchener took office in 2003. at that time i reported from born
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as iris as an onlooker. i finally, someone has the courage to do what needs to be done. he's not afraid of the united states. the perpetrators will pay for their crimes. escape um at the, at, on the 3 minutes to come at the 2005 mark the end of impunity. the parliament and senate voted to repeal an amnesty law. the mothers of plaza demiris, celebrated the women. his children and grandchildren had disappeared under the military regime had demanded their cases be investigated. they protests with a driving force that prompted argentina to start dealing with its past. the regime of terror largely operated in secret. in the late 19 seventies, they were more than 600 cova detention centers where thousands were tortured and murdered. the perpetrators try to cover over the traces and rewrite history. to this day they deny that some 30000 people disappeared. but the testimony of the
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survivors speaks volumes that they don't, they tied me naked to a metal table. they tortured me with electric shock. wilson enough, they doused my eyes, nose and ears with gasoline. they burst my ear drum with them. and after treating the wounds they dragged me back to the torture chamber, and then we'll open the you with the committee. anna maria carry aga, who was taught it by eduardo clinic, provided vital testimony in an early trial right off to the end of the dictatorship . the daughter of her till mental was in her mid twenties when she began to distance herself from her father
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to day analia cali neck can no longer stand lies lisa, because she has told her 2 sons about their grandfather. his crimes in her husband, luis, is in full agreement. ah, but in her own family, she is considered a traitor. her father and 2 of his sisters have launched a lawsuit against anna leah to stop her from claiming her inheritance. position at the corner of the go. it will not the good. yes, she might have been tough enough. amelia said when and now the joint lawsuits my her sister said it's absolutely inexplicable when it be got it. what's bad? it's bad them no matter what your views might be, whether to torture and kill a human being or something evil. i live to the dictatorship and levers. it shows
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you why we will elaborate what official, these cowardly types had and still have the backing of their corporations yellow quality to she. my father in law still gets his salary today, but she still enjoys a lot of privileges that he should not have. she, she good thing and neither he nor any of them have been given a new meaning. what alexio's? oh, i analia collects and analyzes letters and documents to gain more clarity about what actually happened. unlike most descendants of the regime abuses her thirst for information is insatiable. the widow an ally as mother found her attitude unforgivable. fema wise, you write that your mother reproached you because of how well your father had taken care of. the family is that god dies hammond. i'm on the bottom. she wrote in an
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email until after all your father has done for us to get. i'm gonna fight and i, we have lent me for nothing. is fun for that. no man with his good salary. he paid for the best schooling for, you know, and for the police sports club, i'm not a don't minister. and she listed all the benefits we enjoyed through our father, me, papa l up lucy. on the other. but it didn't go. luca said they go to super lagossi. does i once asked him? did it never occurred to you that you were hurting people? whichever's, he answered, yes, i thought about that very often of like one of the company that i, disgusted with the military clergyman and the clergy told us keep it up. we hope you are fighting the anti christ. what this is done through gender one breland degree, but it's joyce look guilty bully that said that gave him a reason to continue committees and all good conscience as he told me. i love negotiable, cynthia lee, so it's perverse. totally sick. then for me,
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they film really sunny are you having doubts, zoning, when oh ye sh or it on us or no, we're thought we're all affected. and this is not over yet. are we not doing? what if he is really close to that, but the good people, so he won't be releasing. melissa, that's what juncture a fake has told me. it was an transfer to house arrest is only possible if he's dying. and william daniel that i pick us is a very high profile judge in argentina. his extensive efforts to investigate and gather evidence of crimes committed under the dictatorship, has led to dozens of convictions on the lee as father was one of them. now and aliya has returned to dana that i fick us to seek advice and away while i know
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where she trusts the man who put her father behind boss well or thought better, it's my great pleasure to present tea with my life story. it's partly, thanks to you that this book has come about with family philip, was that he got them. he said, man, i sell it right now. i have a problem with my sisters that they're insisting that any time now he could be allowed out for limited periods. and that when he turned 70, he'll be transferred to house arrest for them as of yet. no, no, he won't get that. not as a rule very lucky only if he is terminally ill or hasn't illness that cannot be treated in a hospital prison. in that case, imprisonment would be considered cruel punishment, and as such, unconstitutional, that will be able to but otherwise he won't be allowed out. no, no. an india is fighting to ensure that none of those who committed crimes under
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the dictatorship or an out early release on may 10th 2017. she stood shoulder to shoulder with victims of the regime and hundreds of thousands of attend tenens to protest. a court ruling that could have led to shore to prison terms for men like her father. starting that day and aliya began meeting the daughters of other regime criminals. a month later, they appeared together for the 1st time at a feminist march. they questioned the rigid patriarchy in their own families. the new collective which was predominantly female, called itself disobedient stories, daughters and sons of genocide, perpetrators for truth memory and justice. mm
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liliana for you is a documentary filmmaker and has been part of the group from the start. her father, who was the head of an army intelligence division, died in house arrest. pablo vieira is one of the 1st men in the group. his father was an army doctor. ah, ah, ah, de leon as wife eula is from germany. they met while ow tango, dancing, music and the group now numbers more than a 100 people. all relatives of former regime criminals most are not willing to talk to the press. oh,
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without war warmer we're really oh, yeah. they discussed their experiences and write about their struggles. they. they've already published a book together. at times it feels a bit like group therapy, but they're also activists fighting for justice. why each other, if well did, but let me introduce you to lorna. she is also part of the disobedient stories collective and was one of the 1st to join us is our 5th war. jubal romano, though i was plagued by questions of what my found the did and whether he was a murderer. i kept suppressing all these emotions inside me, but when it emerged their sentences could get reduced. i knew i had to take action, but if this were a now to happen again, they could kill us all day. the need to act on the experience of going public for
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the 1st time brought us together and everything started to gather momentum by itself. like an avalanche. exactly. we began to speak out and say everything necessary. yeah. radio. i think i was in his audio. i love yes sir. yes. one is 1. 1. right. and we fight for human rights and to ensure that these crimes aren't forgotten. just my name for guns. hearing me, maria knowle made. there is how much relief to get your stories, interest me very much. i want to hear them because my thoughts, feelings, and powers of imagination on sufficient to understand what it must be like to face the murderer. who's your father when the suitable for going for when i came face to face with my father after discovering it was terrible. very shocking. he said, what? besides, i was afraid. he was always violent merely though once i told him, you know, if i had lived under the dictatorship for a few more years, i would have been forcibly disappeared and murdered by the state to the soonest. read. thus i saw where the because i am a leftist, i'm a rebel and a feminist city,
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and a lesbian. he couldn't deny it. he knew i was right, we're glad. i mean, we might, we vote, but on my book i speak very little with my mother, mildred. i haven't spoken to my father since 2013 natasha. when he admitted to me that he took part in the death flights. and in the abduction of regime opponents, that was our last conversation. i followed him, i recommend cynthia taylor. and in anita there, when he threatened me and my family is yours. i told him everything to his face, but that was no longer a conversation differently. it was my testimony in a court trial on it with all other glenville global, the theater, who is young, and a girl with all who love cases. what exactly does your father do by today is our busy boy and one of the lamar pick it up on those who he on and he was involved in the death flights on this up. what is he? the victims were thrown alive into the sea or the river killing us on this. yes, he injected them with strong sedatives beforehand to keep them still during the
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flight. sympathetic to we are the more the listeners horton. when can, how come your father is still free after committing such crimes forgetful even because my testimony is not valid with this conviction. in argentina, you're not allowed to testify against your own parents. i launch legal action saying a genocide killer was on the loose, but he was never convicted or they all know got in oh, beautiful moment. ah, the daughters and sons one to be able to testify against their parents to help get them convicted. they requested that parliament amend the penal code so the testimony against family members would be accepted. it's a complicated process and congress would have to agree. i'm told the chances of getting the law changed. i'm not good at the moment. bringing pablo's father to justice along with others who were involved in the death flights will be difficult
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. in december 1977, 3 women were thrown into the rio de la plata. they were found is of the protest movement. mothers of the plaza de mile. one of them was the mother of anna maria cutty aga, together with other activists. her mother had been kidnapped from the santa cruz church and born as iris. most bishop supported the military dictatorship, but this parish sought protect regime critics. these are the human rights activists . this is lanika hall sick with that else or galle liz has and the girls, when these are the relatives of victims who were taken from the church, 2 french nuns together with 3 founders of the collective of the mothers of the place and a mile north america had left her marshal gwendolen with you took about 3 mothers who were searching for their missing daughters go, why do you exclude yourself from the narrative?
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and you were one of those daughters. see yes, the seal, it's not about me. i mean, i got, the mothers were searching together for all those who had disappeared is their collective struggle was born out of the fact that all these individual family tragedies came together. lad in the new alga family reveal another harry, a singular, m. annemarie, as mother did not remain missing the river washed her body to the shore. her remains now lie in the garden of the santa cruz church. it's become a memorial re, her remains have become a proof of the final solution in a plan for eliminating all the body, listening at which the dictator was proud of herself. well, what those infamous death flights at that hour hilalem wanted. mm. i'm immediately struck by her use of the
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nazi term, final solution used for the dues. i've arranged to meet judge daniel affect us at the holocaust museum and born as iris. he believed that argentina's military dictatorship was inspired by naziism. his book on the history of hitler's final solution is well known in argentina jersey santa maria, carry out of the anna maria carry. aga speaks about the final solution. is what happened in argentina, comparable to that messy internet. see where and all this is will go and go, but i will be de luca looking. you can't really compare them. but amid the logic of the final solution is present right from the start of argentina's military dictatorship. even the whatever madison is in the safe and me vice on march 24th 1976. i think the military junta decided to eliminate the leftist movement by physically annihilating all left his groups and their supporters are many danasia.
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baker, white lumina fuel fisco, that all knows the mass shootings because the secret camps and the death flights were part of that plan. it belonged the solution. if you have, if at the scene blumenthal a, go with thousands of people disappeared and are still untraceable to day yong gone . no more. our generation is now putting this final solution process in our country on trial, coffee and convicting the criminals is what sort of, you know, if i can afford without an organization. i'm a who got going on. then under timothy always in 2006, the court called the hunter's crimes genocide. so the sons and daughters of the disobedient stories grew whole they fathers, perpetrators of genocide. but many argue that this systematic plan of extermination wasn't purely an argentinian creation. international
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interests will also play the piano at a body says her father worked for military intelligence and was trained by american and french offices his headquarters. we're located in this building in the center of glen as iris. i've got it, but he knew a whole strategy of state tara, during the 19 seventy's was coordinated from here. all the secret service officers were trained and panama for and in the united states. your foot on a month when amelia then french military veterans also came to provide training and torture and human extermination. before they gained their experience from the atrocities they had committed against civilians and the algerian wall.
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several frenchman came to blend. oh cyrus, before 9 know 70 a said that even before my parents got divorced, when i was just a little girl and i remember the interactions that my father had with these frenchman larry less younger than ian valid. and faith did you know what her father was doing? no. have you except that i didn't know for sure. i suspected it, but i couldn't deal with that back there. at 1st i wasn't able to do the research and seek out information on that. i think it would have killed me. i would have committed suicide, can release him. why do i wish i didn't? i've noticed that so many of you have a background in psychology. i see that i think what was that important for you to be able to stand up to your father's think?
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yes, i love what saved me. it was words and being able to speak of it and that's why i love friday and that's why i will always practice psychoanalysis. i'll seek one elevator and either no way is the intellectual legacy of sigmund freud more alive than in boy in his iris . freud's theory of the uncanny in people and his approach to coming to terms with the past is something anna maria, cal yoga is very familiar with. she teaches freud's theories to university students . allow my nana is there when we know that if the world is what you are experiencing is an important contribution to society and the social also for society is that have so far not condemned, such crime. learn coming to terms with the past is very healthy for
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a person's life. love you. you're already crossing borders. you're reaching other countries, aren't you? even europe, germany will burn my face. yes, jelly, brazil have soon, paraguay, uruguay. and witness to in touch with the descendants of nazis who marvel lattice cosette on her. but that's why your work is so important. more and more women and men adjoining disobedient stories. 60 more recently, even 3rd generation relatives nicholas threw up to his grandfather, was sentenced to 25 years in prison. but no one in the family ever talks about his crimes. nicholas decided to break the silence and perceive the truth. doyle, i'm putting a helium book by boy. i will. of course i had the privilege of meeting the only survivor who testified against my grandfather in court e. oh, it's very difficult and upsetting a mock and i'm out for that. but,
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but this contact with her gives me the strength to continue to see him, but i thought i said the victims always say thank you know that that's the 1st thing. they thank you for speaking publicly. excellent. i like because that's one of the main reasons i'm still on this path. mm hm. mm hm. i seen as a disobedient stories, relatives are genocide, perpetrators for truth and justice. okay. i admit, sadly that it took me a long time to come to terms with what my father had done to me by. like what i remember the shame of my name. you the fear of being known as a descendant of a killer book. you gave me only fair contempt pain. untangle, you love the guilt at different levels and the subsequent silence. nokia, i don't want to love him. ok, it's too painful. mine ah
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ah, violence and abuse was part of daily life in the cold, colonial dangly bed in chile, decades of human rights violations. isolated from the outside world. the perpetrators are still connected to politics, businesses. the victims has been ignored and forgotten the long silence. colonia digney died in 15 minutes on d, w o e go india sanctuary or says to call the ganges in india. a river as revered as it is polluted. enough is enough. it's a job for the plastic fisher. their trash bins are the real deal. can they stop the
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