[000:00:00;00] ah, for russian forces, it is an important victory for the ukrainian military. the calculus just got harder . on sunday, russian troops captured the city of missy shots giving them control of half of the don baths in eastern new crank. ukraine's president says that this is only temporary, vowing to take back the city. as soon as his soldiers received the weapons promised by the west of faster order and delivery service. is that what it will take to turn this war round? i'm broke off in berlin. this is the day ah, ready to move an offensive operation to liberate them who hunts people's republic

was successfully carried out. you could have been a 2nd, mario, paul, minnie, marty, of paul. that's why there was a decision to withdraw forces. who did? i hope that everything will continue in the same way that has so far in hans ordered. this city doesn't exist anymore. it's practically been wiped off the face of the f. over mammals, we will return thanks. we had tactics, thanks to the increase in the supply mountain weapons ukraine. he's not giving anything up. ah. also coming up a collapsing glacier in italy unleashes a deadly avalanche record. summer heat at europe's highest peaks and climate change are being blanked. that we up it, sad i guess is that to think that a block of ice, the size of an apartment building would break off and fold down with debris and huge chunks of rock. it's an unimaginable tragedy of thought. i cannot that, isaac,

i felt that ah, to our viewers watching on p b. s in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with the advancing russian troops in eastern new crate on sunday, ukrainian forces withdrew from the strategically important city of lucy shots. meaning the entire lu hunt's region is now under russian control. heave, insisting that this is only a temporary setback and bowing to reclaim the territory with new weaponry on the way most of it from the u. s. no turn around in the immediate future. however, with russian force is expected to increase shelling and air strikes on the city of soviets. in an effort to push deeper into ukraine's heart lamp. now that russia controls with hans the region of the nest will be the next frontline for more i want to bring in frank lead, which he is a military analyst and

a visiting fellow at the transatlantic dialogue center in key is good to have you on the show again, we are hearing a lot about the symbolic significance of the loss of the city of lucy, chanst for ukraine, and the how big of a loss militarily is well planned. good evening, the candidates, i think i've been expecting this for quite a while and i think we need to put this in context that it's a, it's a successful on propaganda grounds proposed and it's, they recover is he would say the invasion and taking as you kind of rocky put of new hands, but what we've seen over the last couple of months is a consumer defense in abundance of concession of land and infliction of casualties on the russian russians. and we've seen in the last few days as a brilliantly executed fighting retreat to, to, to assist the russians to flatten their front was brought to the city crane is

a platinum front on me. so we need to put this into context. remember the russians been trying to do is turn off months, taking thousands of casualties. so attempting re, do you think that this makes it more likely that russians, territorial ambitions are possibly now bigger, larger than they were just yesterday. brent? it's conceivable. i suspect that, as you said before, the russians will proceed now westwards to try and finish the taking of the of the don ask up last. and that would be a again, a propaganda, cooper, pollution. i don't think they're going to get farther than that though. certainly not the end of this year. the president of ukraine, mr. zalinski, he has failed to retake the territory, but he says that will be done once his troops get the deliveries the help of this

advanced weaponry that is coming from western allies. how realistic is it? is it, is it that calls on once they get the weapons, they'll be able to push the russians back. present zalinski is entirely right. the trouble is that the west has been direct fried in weapons to the ukrainians. now for the last 3 months and what ukrainians need is a far more institutional supply and training effort from nathan, specifically. and especially the united states, which has vast quantities of weapons, modern weapons, relatively modern weapons in storage. and in due course, i think that would enable the ukrainians to drive the rather ramshackle, but rather fire power heavy russian army back to where they belong. but this is a matter that's up to the west. if you get the, you can use the tools l to the job, but right now we're not getting those tools. last week. i'm sure you're aware of bleeders at the g 7 summer nato countries, a promise to military aid to ukraine. and i'm quoting for as long as it takes now

after the fall of the city of lucy shaw. and would you like to offer an idea tonight on how long long is that? once again, brent is a matter for the west if the ukrainians get what they need. they can finish this war against a ramshackle and poorly trained rather plated russian army quite quickly than not getting what they need. and this trip feet needs to turn into a flood if that it retake their lands. i suspect they'll make an attempt in the next few months to take some ground in the south. but they can't be sure of success unless the west really steps up and right now, as long as it takes for me, it would seem to be a very long time if you cranes don't get what they need, they'll hold, they'll hold their land, they will succeed in the end,

but the question is, how long to wait in the west want to inflict this war on them? military analysts in visiting fellow at the trans atlantic dialogue center, frank lead, which frank is always we appreciate your insight in your time to night. thank you. thank you, brian. ah, by need of a little ladies and gentlemen to lee, as long as the ruins remain. so does the wool look at it as long as their aggressive can hope to destroy the very foundation of life that they will be no lasting piece that of all of them will. that is why the reconstruction of ukraine will be the greatest possible contribution to maintaining global pace. la bio metal, the sheet that was ukranian president vladimir zalinski, appealing for the money and the means to rebuild his country. once the russian invasion is over, in switzerland, ukrainian officials and international leaders are meeting to talk money, how to fund post war reconstruction. no doubt foreign assistance will be necessary,

but many ukrainians are not willing to wait that long for any helping hands. signs of death and destruction everywhere, but also signs of life and rebuilding. this is the village of ya hid, ne, in northern ukraine. after the occupiers left, the people got to work. people here are grieving, but while our soldiers in the east are protecting us, we are working here in many places, the task is monumental in the city of hockey eve. after months of russians selling this scheme of foreign volunteers and local architects created 3 d models of the hundreds of monuments that have been damaged or destroyed. documenting what was there for future rebuilding? no one thinks that will happen fast. your do moves to i think it won't just take a year more likely 2 years from the destruction is everywhere. but you should also consider that some of these buildings are architectural monuments. it's not just

basic repair work because he does need you. but who will pay for it when the fighting is finally over? the ukrainian economy is in ruins. at the last donor conference, the new pledge just under 10000000000 euros to help, but that the fraction of the estimated hundreds of billions needed to rebuild ukraine's critical infrastructure housing, vital services and help the economy to get up and running. there have been calls for a modern marshall plan, the u. s. project that helped rebuild europe after world war 2. but so far, not much commitment. there are also been calls to use frozen russian assets, including yachts, to pay for reconstruction. but nothing's been agreed yet. meanwhile, cities like merrier poll, have been largely flattened under still, under russian control, the russian installed government there has announced that the port,

city and form or steel making power house will be rebuilt as a resort in the capital keys, which has been relatively safe for months. people know that time is not on their side and they can't wait for official health. residents are fixing this high rise as fast as they can. fearful of being left homeless next winter. but you can't say they lack a sense of humour when you believe me personally, when not only both, one neighbor asks another, what are you going to do? work on the facade of the house. it might get hit by a minute. and it also might not building back and knowing that it all might be undone again in an instant even far from the front lines as the war grinds on in the east of a more now i want to bring in or legs under share, but he is a former ambassador to australia from ukraine. he is currently chief advisor to the

ceo of nato. gus and she craned state energy company. he's also the author of the book, ukraine versus darkness, which draws upon his decades of experience. as a career diplomat and speech writer for ukrainian leaders, whichever is good to have you on the program. again a what is happening? let me start with this conference in switzerland. in the best case scenario. what could come out of this reconstruction conference for you? great. well the best case scenario is that the countries of the world of the democratic world of the free world make a pledge. and so oh, home until fill it after the war. and so that this, that just gives the priority right now to win this war. once we win this war rules deliberate, and after that we'll roll up our sleeves and hopefully will be helpful for old

people. good will rebuild this country. the did it after the world war 2 will do it after the war. those 3, the taking place right now, our grounds. i know that a lot of people, particularly there in ukraine, want to talk about reconstruction, but from the outside looks like you may be putting the, the cart before the horse. talk to me about what level of support you need. how much money does ukraine need in order to win this war? bo, we, what we need is heavy weapons. costly on the price of course. but we just, it have been an emotional rollercoaster in the last couple of weeks with ukraine losing ground and winning some wrong in the south. but most importantly, in the last days we have finally a couple of very modern,

sophisticated rocket systems. and all of a sudden ration munition depos burning all over the place and the just with 4 or 5 of those. if we have 20 of those, it would be a completely different war. so we are not counting how much money the world, those we are just saying we need the weapon. well, i know you need the weapons and president zelinski, he has made that clear. but what about money to help you crane continue funding. public services, a big talk to me about is there a figure there that you can throw out there? because obviously your economy is taking a big hit. you know, of course we need $5000000000.00 every month and countries of the world have to get us to

submit it and hopefully we are getting it. so lot of boys with the winter coming need help or surviving the winter because they're not producing enough natural gas. so it would be from $7.00 to $8000000000.00 or so. why in the winter now to get your handle that kind of money today, ukraine's prime minister said that wealthy russians should pay to rebuild ukraine. i mean, do you think that frozen russian assets could be used in that way? they should be used in that way. if the world has, the godson has the courage to do the right thing, because of course, it's very unorthodox to take someone's property or get it, or asian put this on just a brutal war. but this is the kind of unusual situation that meets unusual

solutions. i thought it would be only fair to take away this ill gotten reaches from russian oligarchs, and from the russian state by frankly, and give it to crane to rebuild what have been, has been destroyed a couple of weeks ago when you and i last spoke. busy we were talking about the, the idea of a marshall plan for ukraine. we have, we seen progress on that. do we know how much would be needed in a martial plan of the conference and logan was of course, a huge milestone and in that direction. so i, i just, it shows the good will, i cannot say what kind of financial play just were made in the slip. so in switzerland, on but it's, it's, it's certainly a boost the morale and gives us more open, more face in ourselves in our victory. quite frankly, we are,

that's one of the favorite topics. the conversations here, how differently we make this country once this war is over and wants this, the whole world, little bit standing with us and helping us rebuild this country that we cannot allow just afford just rebuilding the country we was built and yukon. gotcha, freel with samsung. the know will know what those since were is ship. i would ask you one more question about weapons i was looking at the numbers so far. in this war the united states has since it's estimated about $28000000000.00 worth of weapons to ukraine among the europeans. the u. k. has sent about $3000000000.00 worth germany, france. it's almost negligible when you're talking about comparing it with the united states. do you think that continental europe is acting like this?

conflict in ukraine? doesn't exist and is going to go away on its own. so certainly many people hostile hope that so at some point these strange your russians and you craniums will elaborate the deal within themselves and things will come back to what they used to be. oh, of course, reasonable people are people who understand the depth of this. so you know, rabbit hole in which russia fell and dragged europe with it, but they don't believe that. but unfortunately many people in business aren't that deep. and unfortunately. ready so yes, there is this and for quite frankly, i expected more from johnny. this is john how bits are with hers that have been supplied to brain. uh, not too many, but even those single ones that i already knew. oh, my god,

our soldiers are saying this is, this is a marvelous piece of technology. they can make all the difference in this world and it would be such a huge promotion for john, you know, mastery of doing things. yeah. it's, it's a very good point. and time will tell as we been hearing now 4 months mr. alexander share, but in keith is always we appreciate your time and your insights. thank you. thank you. oh, summer thunderstorms are hampering the search in the italian else for more than a dozen hikers, it's feared that they were caught in an avalanche triggered when a huge chunk of a glacier collapsed on sunday. so far rescue services have confirmed 7 people to die. the break left, a huge scar in the glacier. drone searched through the night for people caught in the collapse,

but rescue teams had to pause their ground based search out of fear that more ice would fool who still mental competent there to be clear. it's a difficult situation for the rescue. workers least working there is very dangerous at the moment we chair but equal. so it was early afternoon when a huge column of ice on the face of the mama, loud iglesia, broke off triggering an avalanche of ice and rock that hit at least 2 groups of hikers. the dead and missing from several countries, including italy, germany and the czech republic. it's still unknown exactly how many mountain he has remained on, accounted for. relatives have begun arriving to identify their dead loved ones, a gruesome task. the condition of the bodies makes it more difficult as one rescue or describe they are told apart to check him, we're trying to organize it in a dignified and sensitive way done that, that's all we can do to help these people know. so as that adequate to push them or feel free to lack of expert say, decades of global warming have likely weakened the glazier,

italy is experiencing and especially hot summer this year this weekend. so record temperatures, lack of snow and winter has compounded the problem, leaving the glacier without protection from the summer sun. for each slip bullet, jonathan bamber. he is a professor of earth observation, and lacy ology with the university of bristol and the technical university. immunity george's delight from the u. k. professor, it's good to have you on the program. what do you say, what, why clean triggered this disaster? well, there were 2 compounding factors. so as you report said, i mean no. initially is experiencing quite severe drought. and the fact i think is throughout the whole of the winter there was almost no fresh snowfall. i know that myself because i i do see mountaineering and, and there were several races in italian don't much that have to be cancelled

because it just no snow to the winter. so they had very low snowfall and snow. it acts like an inch. lighting blanched, blankets over the surface of the ice. it's big reflects a lot. so ation, it's got quite a lot of air in it. so it's, it's quite effective then we'll blanket for the ice underneath when it falls in winter citizen, not very little law. and the 2nd factor is it's very warm conditions. unusually warm weather cross idella much. and i believe the avalanche took place in the early afternoon, which is the out the kind of worst time of day because you have the highest temperatures. and i think at the summit for top of that last year, it was about plus 10 degrees. that's really very warm. you get a lot of water formed. it, it, it for it forms it is on the surface, the glass. yeah. that causes what's called hydro fracture. and if i'm to says he has a lay person here, but considering how, how dry it's been and how warm,

how hot it is right now. this didn't have to happen. this actually didn't have to happen. right? or, i mean, do you think that hikers are, are being careless now by getting as high as close to the glaciers as they're doing in the summer? oh, that's a difficult question to answer. and i think the very 1st thing we need to remember is that at least 7 people died tragically in this accident. it's probably going to be more luck and they were going out doing, doing things so that you know, many of us, me included, love today which is being in the mountains. and i don't think they were being overly reckless, you know. but, you know, doing being in the mountains, in the south conditions, it's going to get increasingly more hazardous, you know, in 2015 the authorities in the french house, close the normal route because it was too dangerous to me. people were dying of

some rank or what on the chair route on, on mobile and and the same thing happened in 2003. this is going to get a more frequent occurrence as we get warm. well, your dry winches, woman warm a, somers, mo, glassy rice exposed. that is melting faster and i think, you know, it's, it's, it's going to become a more hazardous environment operate. it does not mean we shouldn't go into the mountains. i don't think so. you know, like the many risks and like you just after. yeah, a little bit more cautious and perhaps you know, careful what time of day you go, what time see what time you. here you go, wait, you go. well, i know you got a lot of experience researching and just being on glaciers. i mean, you know, the terrain we're, we're talking about. i get the sense that with climate change with it,

with the melting accelerating these glaciers are almost becoming changing by the hour or the day or the month if you will, into completely different bees that we have to comprehend. it's almost like it's changing more quickly or too quick quickly for us to predict. i wouldn't say it stops, then we can predict, but it's, it's faster than we ever anticipated. and, you know, i've seen it with my own eyes. i remember, you know, i, i climb to very famously the north face of the i get 30 years ago and there was this section called the 2nd i still, i did it in some of the 2nd. it no longer exists. it's not there anymore. it's just gone, one of the most famous roots in the house that's in 30 years. i think that it's a surprise to many of us how rapidly things change. yeah, i think a lot of people would agree with you is it's, it's hard to comprehend how quickly things have changed and are changing. geologist, jonathan,

remember we appreciate your time and your insights to night professor. thank you. ah, today is independence united states and that means fireworks parade in bands, but they're playing a slightly different to this year emitting to cost. he's 1812 overture with the ongoing war in ukraine. bands across america thought that it might be very sensitive to celebrate american freedom with a song that commemorates a russian military victory. even if that victory was more than 2 centuries ago of the day's almost done, the conversation continues online. you'll find this on twitter either w, she can follow me on twitter and brent. gov tv. every member, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see that

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