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will not go davinci mysterious masterpiece. ah, this perhaps the greatest leonardo masterpiece in the collection of the louvre and no, it is not the mona lisa. it is the virgin of the rocks, 2 versions, multiple copies, and a hidden drawing. was there another symbolic meaning to this beautiful lady that perhaps we just don't understand to search for answers starts july 7th on d, w. ah . beneath the supporting pillars of the oven highway inborn is our is the ruins of a secret prison remain largely concealed. it dates back to the 19 seventies and the
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days of argentina's military dictatorship. ah, only a few broken walls of isabel here in what was once the basement of a police station, henchmen for the dictatorship, tortured and killed leftist opponents of the regime. i'm witness to an unusual meeting between 2 women. one, anna maria cutter. yaga was tortured under the regime and is plagued by traumatic memories. the other analia. colonic is the daughter of anna marie, has torturer and wants to know everything about her father's crimes. and here there was a room with a bag. i laid there to sometimes go and have a pregnant kind of graham, but i said, yes, this area served as a sick room when they hurt us too badly. we often had eye infection. this as we
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always have to wear blindfold them, they also treated torture and gum shortly his hair. another of my father's victims denise said she was brutally tortured and that my father told her. you have broken ribs, but we won't bandage your wound, so you won't hang yourself with the bandage. most of the prisoners were murdered. anna maria cut a yaga survived. when the st. louis, when the tortures went out and said to each other pe, you carry on. and i have to collect my daughter from school. when they talked about their family, it sounded creepy. the fact that they could go out of this under world of horror and live a normal family life that they could look their wives, daughters and sons. and the i, i always thought that was strange simply. mm hm. one of this year miss e and aliya, and when anna leah learned from court testimony,
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what her father did during the dictatorship period face when she asked herself a similar question when it said, how could he embraced me with the same hands that he was using to torture others, me? i would as say it said, did it no walk along dumping my breaking of all ties with my father has nothing to do with anger, rejection or contempt for him. as a father. i want to keep my former feelings towards him as a father because he is my dad and because he put k important no go in. and because i understand that a part of myself is linked to him. if he can,
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i think it came out some of this leaves me with many questions that the how could my father maintain his double life within the family circle? he always wanted to protect us, his daughters. that's why the fact that my father was perpetrating genocide is particularly frightening. a person in whom i used to find love and affection suddenly becomes very scary. and aaliyah's father was known to his victims as doctor k. in 2010, he was sentenced to life in prison for torturing and murdering nearly 300 people on a li, a process as her trauma, through writing. mamma life that i am a mother, a teacher, a psychologist, i am his daughter. we no longer speak to each other. i shouldn't have asked questions and yeah, i could do that. i should have remained silent with not thinking, not feeling, not knowing, simply obeying. but i'm not capable of that. i'm not worthy of him. it seems as if i'm not a daughter worthy of a perpetrator of genocide, neither by that, no, no. the true
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psychologist and teacher is now 42 years old. she teaches a 2 schools and is also studying law on the side. she herself had a strict upbringing. her father was a police commissioner and believed in discipline. and aliyah invites me into her home. she likes to have guests in her childhood. those strangers weren't welcome. her father always gave the impression that the outside world was a threat to their sheltered home life. but analia is now more open minded and has broken out of the construct of lies surrounding her supposedly exemplary catholic family. there is, was there a particular moment that led to the break with your father shall go get dinner, go out on the turning point was definitely the announcement of his trial in the newspaper we should on, on the salon all day. and after a lengthy investigation,
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my father was to be brought to trial. yon e troy gone. i read his court file and went to him with it, saying, mano, explain this to me. another one becometh her father said he acted out of obedience and love for his country. then he withdrew into silence in court. he refused to testify. slowly, a new gauntlet, dusk, a ludlow emilio gulley nick weather age 50 sophia marital status that are married. so job your training or for matthew on go me retired police commissioner if you have heard of. ah, argentina stands out as a country that has mostly worked hard to prosecute the states vine and crimes of the past. the wave of arrests and trials began slowly and did not get into full swing until 20 years. after the end of the dictatorship. after
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president ness door kitchener took office in 2003. at that time, i reported from born as iris as an onlooker. i finally, someone has the courage to do what needs to be done. he's not afraid of the united states. the perpetrators will pay for their crimes escape from at the, at, on the payment at home. at 2005 mark the end of impunity, the parliament and senate voted to repeal and amnesty law. the mothers of plaza demiris, celebrated the women. his children and grandchildren had disappeared under the military regime had demanded their cases be investigated. they protests with a driving force that prompted argentina to start dealing with its past. the regime of terror, largely operated in secret. in the late 19 seventies, there were more than 600 cova detention centers where thousands were tortured and
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murdered. the perpetrators try to cover over the traces and rewrite history. to this day they deny that some 30000 people disappeared. but the testimony of the survivors speaks volumes. that, that they tied me naked to a metal table. they tortured me with electric shock. wilson enough, they doused i's, nose and ears with gasoline, they burst my ear drum with them, and after treating the wounds they dragged me back to the torture chamber. a fellow who then we'll be with you alone. bobo, beautifully fit from the anna maria carry aga, who was tortured by edward kelley, nick provided vital testimony in an early trial right off to the end of the dictatorship. the daughter of her till mental was in her mid
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twenties when she began to distance herself from her father to day analia cali neck can no longer stand lies. lisa. she has told her 2 sons about their grandfathers crimes in her husband, luis is in full agreement. ah, but in her own family, she is considered a traitor. her father and 2 of his sisters have launched a lawsuit against annaleeah to stop her from claiming her inheritance position at the corner of the go. it will not the good. yes she, my look isn't tough. it glove? amelia said when and now the joint lawsuits by her sister. so it's absolutely inexplicable when it began. what's bad,
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it's bad and no matter what your views might be worth it to torture and kill a human being or something evil. i live through the dictatorship and levers, it the mud shows you why we really label good policy. so these cowardly types had and still have the backing of their corporations, yellow police until she my father in law still gets his salary to day. but to me, she still enjoys a lot of privileges that he should not have she, she good thing and neither he nor any of them are given a new meaning. one of the issues 0, one analia collects and analyzes letters and documents to gain more clarity about what actually happened. unlike most descendants of the regime abuses her thirst for information is insatiable. the widow an ally, as mother found her attitude unforgivable. he looked well,
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i see you right that your mother reproached you because of how well your father had taken care of. the family is that god dies hammond. i'm on the bottom. she wrote in an email until after all your father has done for us to get him going to fight the now we have lent me for nothing. but to philadelphia, the man with his good salary. he paid for the best schooling for you know, and for the police sports club. i don't i lisa, and she listed all the benefits we enjoyed through our father. me, papa yelp. lucy on the left. but it didn't go. luca said they go to super lagossi. does i once asked him, did it never occurred to you that you were hurting people? which i was, he answered. yes, i thought about that very often of like one of the company that i, disgusted with the military clergyman and the clergy told us, keep it up because you are fighting the anti christ. what this is done, lou, gender, wonderland degree is choice. look guilty bully that. so that gave him
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a reason to continue committees and all good conscience as he told me, i love to go to suppose shantia lee. so it's perverse. totally sick. them for me. they film really sunny. are you having doubts, dawning willow? ye sh or it on us or no thought we are all affected. and this is not over yet, and we know what if he is released, but the good people, so he won't be released figured. melissa, that's what judge or a fake has told me. it was an transfer to house arrest is only possible if he's dying. oh, well yeah. daniel, that i pick us is a very high profile judge in argentina. his extensive efforts to investigate and gather evidence of crimes committed under the dictatorship has led to dozens of convictions on the lee as father was one of them. now analia has returned to danina
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that affect us to seek advise them away. oh no we. she trusts to the man who put her father behind boss well or thought, but it's my great pleasure to present tea with my life story. it's partly, thanks to you that this book has come about with the flip was that he got them. he said, man, i said right now i have a problem with my sister's the stair insisting that any time now he could be allowed out for limited periods and that when he turned 70, he'll get transferred to house arrest for them as of yet. no, no, he won't get that. not as a rule very lucky only if he is terminally ill or hasn't illness that cannot be treated in a hospital prison. in that case, imprisonment would be considered cruel punishment. and as such, unconstitutional,
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that will be able to but otherwise he won't be allowed out. on over an india is fighting to ensure that none of those who committed crimes under the dictatorship or an out early release on may 10th 2017. she stood shoulder to shoulder with victims of the regime and hundreds of thousands of attend tenens to protest a court ruling that could have led to shore to prison terms for men like her father . starting that day, analia began meeting the daughters of other regime criminals. a month later, they appeared together for the 1st time at a feminist march. they questioned the rigid patriarchy in their own families. the new collective, which was predominantly female, called itself disobedient stories, daughters and sons of genocide, perpetrators, for truth memory and justice. liliana
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for you is a documentary filmmaker and has been part of the group from the start. her father, who was the head of an army intelligence division, died in house arrest. pablo vieira is one of the 1st men in the group. his father was an army doctor. ah, ah, ah. the owner's wife unit is from germany. they met while ow tango, dancing the group now numbers more than a 100 people. all relatives of former regime criminals most are not willing to talk
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to the press. o one ma'am we're really going yeah. they discussed their experiences and write about their struggles. they've already published a book together. at times it feels a bit like group therapy, but they're also activists fighting. put, asked us why each other. okay. well did, but let me introduce you to lorna. she's also part of the disobedient stories collector and was one of the 1st to join us is our 5th war. jubal omitted though i was plagued by questions of what my found the dead and whether he was a murderer. i kept suppressing all these emotions inside me, but when it emerged their sentences could get reduced. i knew i had to take action,
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but if this were a now to happen again, they could kill us all the need to act on the experience of going public for the 1st time brought us together. then everything started to gather momentum by itself . like an avalanche. exactly. we began to speak out and say everything necessary. yeah. the idea that i think of his and his audio i will. yes sir. yes. one is what, right. and we fight for human rights, and to ensure that these crimes aren't forgotten, josma normally for guns. healing memoria no made. that is how much left with your stories, interest, me very much. i want to hear them because my thoughts, feelings, and powers of imagination on sufficient to understand what it must be like to face the murderer. who's your father when the suitable for me for when i came face to face with my father after discovering it was terrible. the very shocking. he said, what was it? besides, i was afraid. he was always violent merely though once i told him, you know, if i had lived under the dictatorship for a few more years,
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i would have been forcibly disappeared and murdered by the state to resume as a lead. thus i thought, because i am a leftist, i'm a rebel and a feminist. ringback and a lesbian, he couldn't deny it. he knew i was right. we're glad. i mean when we might we vote . but on my book, i speak very little with my mother. i haven't spoken to my father since 2013 natasha. when he admitted to me that he took part in the death flights and in the abduction of regime opponents. that was our last conversation. i followed the, my wickedness india, china, and in 2018. and when he threatened me and my family, i told him everything to his face, but that was no longer a conversation. and definitely it was my testimony in a court trial on it up just a little around the global, the theater, who is young, and a girl with a who love. guess is, what exactly does your father did buy it? but the people in la jolla, lamar to pick it up on the,
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to we on and he was involved in the death flights on this up. what is he the victims were thrown alive into the sea or the river. go on us on this. yes, he injected them with strong said it is beforehand to keep them still during the flight. send it back to you know, the more the listeners a hood. when can, how come your father is still free after committing such crimes forgetful even because my testimony is not valid for his conviction. in argentina, you are not allowed to testify against your own parents. i launch legal action saying a genocide killer was on the loose, but he was never convicted or they don't know gus in oh, beautiful moment. ah, the daughters and sons one to be able to testify against their parents to help get them convicted. they've requested that parliament amend the penal code so the testimony against family members would be accepted. it's a complicated process and congress would have to agree untold. the chances of
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getting the law changed. i'm not good at the moment. bringing pablo's father to justice along with others. the way involved in the death flights will be difficult . in december 1977, 3 women were thrown into the rio de la plata. they were found is of the protest movement mothers of the plaza de mile. one of them was the mother of anna maria, carry aga together with other activists. her mother had been kidnapped from the santa cruz church and born as iris. most bishop supported the military dictatorship . but this parish saw to protect regime critics. these are the human rights activists, laraca for all sick. with that else are galle letters and the girls. when these are the relatives of victims who were taken from the church, 2 french nuns together with 3 founders of the collective of the mothers of the plus andi mile lower and american. bless her martial gwendolen. that is. you talk about
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3 mothers who were searching for them, missing daughters call. why do you exclude yourself from the narrative as you were one of those daughters see? yes, he said it's not about me. like all the mothers were searching together for all those who had disappeared in the collective struggle. it was gone out of the fact that all these individual family tragedies came together. laddie knew and their families reveal another harry, a singular m, and a maria's mother did not remain missing the river washed her body to the shore. her remains now lie in the garden of the santa cruz church. it's become a memorial right, her remains have become proof of the final solution. is a plan for eliminating all the bodiless shannon,
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which the dictator was proud of herself. what those infamous death flights at that of a hill overlooking i'm wanted. mm. i'm immediately struck by her use of the nazi term. final solution used for the dues. i've arranged to meet judge daniel, affect us at the holocaust museum and boy in his iras. he believed that argentina's military dictatorship was inspired by naziism. his book on the history of hitler's final solution is well known in argentina. jerry santa maria, carry out of the anna maria carry. aga speaks about the final solution. is what happened in argentina, comparable to that messy internet? see where a noise is, will go and go by lippard, or la loca la loca, you can't really compare them. but amid the logic of the final solution is present right from the start of argentina's military dictatorship. even the wasn't madison, this isn't the face in me,
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vice on march 24th 1976. i think the military junta decided to eliminate the leftist movement by physically annihilating all left his groups and their supporters. many danasia. thank you. if way, lumina feel fisco, that, oh, no, the mass shootings, because the secret camps and the death flights were part of that plan, it belonged the solution. if not, if it gets implemented, i go with thousands of people disappeared and are still untraceable to day yong gone. no more, our generation is now putting this final solution process in our country on trial, the and convicting the criminals is what sort of shopping i isic in a photo photo knocking acid, some a who run lincolnton under timothy twice in 2006. the court called the hunter's crimes genocide. so the sons and daughters of the disobedient stories grew whole. they fathers,
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perpetrators of genocide. but many argue that the systematic plan of extermination wasn't purely an argentinian creation. international interests will also play the piano at a body says her father worked for military intelligence and was trained by a met. i've got it, but it can you whole strategy of state tara, during the 19 seventy's was coordinated from here. all the secret service officers were trained and panama war and in the united states put on a month when amelia then french military veterans also came to provide training and torture and human extermination. they gained their experience from the atrocities they had committed against civilians in the algerian wall.
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several frenchmen came to leno cyrus before 9 know 70 a said that even before my parents got to balls, when i was just a little girl. and i remember the interactions that my father had with these frenchman. let a left yoke had been e m, if valid, unsafe did you know what your father was doing? nothing except that i didn't know for sure. i suspected it, but i couldn't deal with it back that at 1st i wasn't able to do the research and seek out information. i read. i think it would have killed me. i would have committed suicide, movies them. what do i live with? and i didn't, i've noticed that so many of you have a background in psychology. i see their thing, but that was that important for you to be able to stand up to your father's b. yep. i love what saved me. it was words and being able to speak of it. that's
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why i love freud. i and that's why i will always practice psychoanalysis. i'll seek one alex. i'm either no way is the intellectual legacy of sigmund freud more alive than inborn is iris. freud's theory of the uncanny in people and his approach to coming to terms with the past is something anna maria cut a yoga is very familiar with. she teaches freud's theories to university students. allow my nana is down when when o death of it than what you are experiencing is an important contribution to society and the social also for society is that have so far not condemned. such crime, well will coming to terms with the past is very healthy for a person's life. love you. you're already crossing borders. you're reaching other
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countries, aren't you? even europe, germany, we'll burn my face. yes, jelly was there as soon, paraguay, uruguay, and witness to in touch. with the descendants of nazis who marvel at us cosette on her. but it was that's why your work is so important. more and more women and men adjoining disobedient stories. 60 more recently, even 3rd generation relatives nicholas threw up to his grandfather, was sentenced to 25 years in prison. but no one in the family ever talks about his crimes. nicholas decided to break the silence and perceive the truth. doyle, i am pretty late here. he invoked, i believe i will adequate, i had the privilege of meeting the only survivor who testified against my grandfather in court. he, i order it's very difficult and upsetting a mock and i'm at for that. but, but this contact with her gives me the strength to continue to see him. but if that
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i said the victims always say thank you. i know that that's the 1st thing. they thank you for speaking publicly. excellent. i laugh because that's one of the main reasons i'm still on this path. mm hm. i see nasa, disobedient stories, relatives are genocide, perpetrators for truth and justice. okay. i admit, sadly that it took me a long time to come to terms with what my father had done to me by. like what i remember the shame of my name. you the fear of being known as a descendant of a killer book. you gave me only fair contempt pain. untangle you down the guilt at different levels and the subsequent silence. nope. you, i don't want to love him. okay. it's too painful. mine. ah
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