this was a trauma together with the children of the victim, my father, the killer. close up next on d w. o, what people have to say matters to us. ah, that's why we listen to their stories. reporter, every weekend on d. w. ah . beneath the supporting pillars of the urban highway in burn is, are, is the ruins of a secret prison remain largely concealed. it dates back to the 19 seventies and the

days of argentina's military dictatorship. ah only a few broken walls of isabel here and what was once the basement of a police station, henchmen, for the dictatorship, tortured and killed leftist opponents of the regime. i'm witness to an unusual meeting between 2 women. one anna maria cutty. yaga was tortured under the regime and is plagued by traumatic memories. the other analia clinic is the daughter of anna marie, has torturer and wants to know everything about her father's crimes. he said here, there was a room with a bag. i laid there to sometimes. and you were pregnant kind of graham, but i said yes, this area served as a sick room when they hurt us too badly. we often had eye infection. this, as we always have to wear blindfolds them. they also try to torture and gum shortly

his hair. another of my father's victims, denise said she was brutally tortured and that my father told her you have broken ribs, but we won't bandage your wound so you won't hang yourself with the bandage. most of the prisoners were murdered. anna maria cut a yaga survived. when the sun, when the tortures went out and said to each other pe, you carry on. and i have to collect my daughter from school. when they talked about their family, it sounded creepy. the fact that they could go out of this under world of horror and live a normal family life that they could look their wives, daughters, and sons, and the i, i always thought that was strange symptom, assemble at this year, miss e m aliya. and when anna leah learned from court testimony, what her father did during the dictatorship period face went up. she asked herself

a similar question when it said, how could he embrace me with the same hands that he was using to torture others? i would as say, it said, did it no walk along romping. my breaking of all ties with my father has nothing to do with anger, rejection or contempt for him. as a father, i want to keep my former feelings towards him as a father because he is my dad. and because he put k if what can think no care what and me because i understand it, a part of myself is linked to him. if there he can, i think m s m, this leaves me with many questions. how could my father maintain his double life

within the family circle? he always wanted to protect us, his daughters. that's why the fact that my father was perpetrating genocide is particularly frightening. a person in whom i used to find love and affection suddenly becomes very scary. and aaliyah's father was known to his victims as doctor k. in 2010, he was sentenced to life in prison for torturing and murdering nearly 300 people. on a li, a process as her trauma, through writing. mamma life, i'm a mother, a teacher, a psychologist. i am his daughter. we no longer speak to each other. i shouldn't have asked questions and yeah, i could do that. i should have remained silent and not thinking, not feeling, not knowing, simply obeying. but i'm not capable of that. i'm not worthy of him. it seems soon as if i'm not a daughter worthy of a perpetrator of genocide, neither by that, no, neither. not

the true psychologist and teacher is now 42 years old. she teaches at 2 schools and is also studying law on the side. she herself had a strict upbringing. her father was a police commissioner and believed in discipline. analia invites me into her home. she likes to have guests in her childhood, those strangers weren't welcome. her father always gave the impression that the outside world was a threat to their sheltered home life. but analia is now more open minded and has broken out of the construct of lies surrounding her supposedly exemplary catholic family. there is, was there a particular moment that led to the break with your father shall go get the inner go out one night. the turning point was definitely the announcement of his trial in the newspaper. we should ann, on the salad, and all day after a lengthy investigation,

my father was to be brought to trial on easily gone. i read his court file and went to him with it, saying, lana, explain this to me. another one becometh her father said he acted out of obedience and love for his country. then he withdrew into silence in court. he refused to testify. slowly, aim complete, thus is laudable, emilio clinic so whether age 50, sophia, marital status, that are married. so job your training or for matthew on call me retired police commissioner if you've heard that. ah, argentina stands out as a country that has mostly worked hard to prosecute the states violent crimes of the past. the wave of arrests and trials began slowly and did not get into full swing until 20 years. after the end of the dictatorship after president nestor kitchener took office in 2003 at that time i reported

from bowen as iris as an onlooker. i finally, someone has the courage to do what needs to be done. he's not afraid of the united states. the perpetrators will pay for their crime, escaped from a debt under freeman. i have come at 2005 mark the end of impunity. the parliament and senate voted to repeal an amnesty law. the mothers of plaza demiris, celebrated the women. his children and grandchildren had disappeared under the military regime had demanded their cases be investigated. they protests with a driving force that prompted argentina to start dealing with its past. the regime of terror, largely operated in secret. in the late 19 seventies, they were more than 600 cova detention centers where thousands were tortured and murdered. the perpetrators try to cover over the traces and rewrite history. to

this day they deny that some 30000 people disappeared. but the testimony of the survivors speaks volumes. now that they tied me naked to a metal table, they tortured me with electric shock. allison enough, they doused eyes, nose and ears, was gasoline. they burst my ear drum with them and after treating the wounds they dragged me back to the torture chamber. a fellow who then we'll be with you if we think from it. anna maria carry jaga, who was tortured by edward kelley. nick provided vital testimony in an early trial right off to the end of the dictatorship. the daughter of her till

mental was in her mid twenties when she began to distance herself from her father. to day analia cali neck can no longer stand lies. lisa, she has told her 2 sons about their grandfather's crimes in her husband, luis is in full agreement. ah, but in her own family, she is considered a traitor. her father and 2 of his sisters have launched a lawsuit against analia to stop her from claiming her inheritance position at the corner of the go, it will not the good. yes, she might have been tough enough. amelia said when and now the drink lawsuits by her sisters. so it's absolutely inexplicable in that regard. what's bad is bad them no matter what your views might be. well, they have to torture and kill

a human being or something evil. i live to the dictatorship and levers. it shows you why we will elaborate what official, these cowardly types had, and still have the backing of their corporations yellow police to shield my father in law still gets his salary today. but to me, she still enjoys a lot of privileges that he should not have she, she good thing and neither he nor any of them are given a new meaning. what alexio's. oh, well, analia collects and analyzes letters and documents to gain more clarity about what actually happened. unlike most descendants of the regime abuses her thirst for information is insatiable. the widow an ally as mother found her attitude unforgivable. fema. well i see you right, that your mother reproached you because of how well your father had taken care of

the family, a safeguard at dice. i'm in, i'm on the bottom. she wrote in an email until after all your father has done for us to get him going to fight the now we have land for nothing there but a few that offering the man with his good salary. he paid for the best schooling for, you know, and for the police sports club. i don't i lisa, and she listed all the benefits we enjoyed through our father, me, but by your lovely, see only lippitt him didn't go look as if they go to super lagossi. does i once asked him? did it never occurred to you that you were hurting people, which i was, he answered. yes, i thought about that very often of like one of the company that i, disgusted with the military clergyman and the clergy told us, keep it up. hope you are fighting the anti christ. what this is done, lou john, the one that i learned degree is soya look guilty bully that said that gave him a reason to continue committees and all good conscience. as he told me,

i love to go to suppose shantia lee, so it's perverse. totally sick. them for me. they film really sunny. are you having doubts, zoning, willow, ye sh, or i don't know what all we are all affected. and this is not over yet, but we know what if he is released, but the good people, so he won't be released or melissa, that's what juncture a fake has told me. it was an transfer to house arrest is only possible if he's dying. and william daniel that i pick us is a very high profile judge in argentina. his extensive efforts to investigate and gather evidence of crimes committed under the dictatorship, has led to dozens of convictions on the lee as father was one of them. now and

aliya has returned to dana that affects us to seek advice away. oh, i know what we she trusts to the man who put her father behind boss william wilson. but it's my great pleasure to present tea with my life story. it's hockey, thanks to you that this book has come about with them in my phone. so let's look what that come down. he said, man, a settlement right now. i have a problem with my sister's the stair insisting that any time now he could be allowed out for limited periods. and that when he turned 70, he'll get transferred to house arrest for them as of yet. no. no, he won't get that. not as a rule, very lucky only if he is terminally ill or hasn't illness that cannot be treated in a hospital prison. in that case, imprisonment would be considered cruel punishment. and as such, unconstitutional, that will be able to but otherwise he won't be allowed out. oh no,

but on india is fighting to ensure that none of those who committed crimes under the dictatorship or an out early release on may 10th 2017. she stood shoulder to shoulder with victims of the regime and hundreds of thousands of attend tenens to protest a court ruling that could have led to shore to prison terms for men like her father . starting that day, analia began meeting the daughters of other regime criminals. a month later, they appeared together for the 1st time at a feminist march. they questioned the rigid patriarchy in their own families. the new collective, which was predominantly female, called itself disobedient stories, daughters and sons of genocide, perpetrators, for truth memory and justice. liliana

for you is a documentary filmmaker and has been part of the group from the start. her father, who was the head of an army intelligence division, died in house arrest. pablo vieira is one of the 1st men in the group. his father was an army doctor. ah, ah, ah. the owner's wife unit is from germany. they met while our tango dancing, and the group now numbers more than a 100 people. all relatives of former regime criminals most are not willing to talk to the press. o one ma'am,

we're really oh yeah. they discussed their experiences and write about their struggles. they've already published a book together. there are times it feels a bit like group therapy, but they're also activists fighting for justice. i wonder if well there, but let me introduce you to lorna. she's also part of the disobedient stories collective and was one of the 1st to join us is our 5th war jubal romano. though i was plagued by questions of what my found the did and whether he was a murderer. i kept suppressing all these emotions inside me, but when it emerged that their sentences could get reduced, i knew i had to take action. but if this were allowed to happen again, they could kill us all day. the need to act on the experience of going public for

the 1st time brought us together. then everything started to gather momentum by itself. like an avalanche. exactly. we began to speak out and say everything necessary. yeah. the idea that i think of his and his audio i will. yes sir. yes. one is what, right. and we fight for human rights, and to ensure that these crimes aren't forgotten, just my name for guns. healing memoria no made. that is how much left with your stories, interest me very much. i want to hear them because my thoughts, feelings, and powers of imagination on sufficient to understand what it must be like to face the murderer. who's your father when the suitable for me for when i came face to face with my father after discovering it was terrible. the very shocking. he said, what? besides, i was afraid. he was always violent merely though once i told him, you know, if i had lived under the dictatorship for a few more years, i would have been forcibly disappeared and murdered by the state to read. thus i

saw where the because i am a leftist, i'm a rebel and a feminist city, and a lesbian. he couldn't deny it. he knew i was right, we're glad. i mean, when we might, we vote. but on my book, i speak very little with my mother who got meals today. i haven't spoken to my father since 2013. i tell when he admitted to me that he took part in the death flights. and in the abduction of regime opponents, that was our last conversation. i followed him. i recommend cynthia taylor and, and anita there when he threatened me and my family is yours. i told him everything to his face, but that was no longer a conversation. definitely, it was my testimony in a court trial, double on it up just a little around the global, the theo owner, who is young, and a girl with a who love. guess is, what exactly does your father did by here are the people in la jolla. lamar, to pick it up on the, to we on and he was involved in the death flights on this up. what is he? the victims were thrown alive into the sea or the river go on us on a fierce. yes,

he injected them with strong sadness beforehand to keep them still during the flight sympathetic. do you know the more the listeners, horton lincoln, how come your father is still free after committing such crimes? forgetful even because my testimony is not valid with his conviction in argentina, you are not allowed to testify against your own parents. i launch legal action saying a genocide killer was on the loose, but he was never convicted or paid or no gas in. oh, beautiful moment. ah, the daughters and sons one to be able to testify against their parents to help get them convicted. they requested that parliament amend the penal code, so the testimony against family members would be accepted. it's a complicated process and congress would have to agree i'm told the chances of getting the law changed. i'm not good at the moment. bringing pablo's father to justice along with others who were involved in the death flights will be difficult

. in december 1977, 3 women were thrown into the rio de la plata. they were founders of the protest movement mothers of the plaza de mile. one of them was the mother of anna maria cutty aga, together with other activists. her mother had been kidnapped from the santa cruz church and born as iris. most bishop supported the military dictatorship, but this parish sought protect regime critics. these are the human rights activists . this is lanika hall, sequestered else. i got a letter from the girls. when these are the relatives of victims who were taken from the church, 2 french nuns together with 3 founders of the collective of the models of the place and a mile load and unload it. bless her marshal. gwendolen. if you talk about 3 mothers who were searching for their missing daughters go, why do you exclude yourself from the narrative?

you were one of those daughters. see? yes it is. the sealants, not about me. i mean, i go to, the mothers was searching together for all those who had disappeared. it is the collective struggle. it was born out of the fact that all these individual family tragedies came together. lad in new alga, familiar, reveal another harry, a singular m annemarie, as mother did not remain missing the river washed her body to the shore. her remains now lie in the garden of the santa cruz church. it's become a memorial right, her remains have become prove as a final solution is a plan for eliminating all the body listen and that which the dictator was proud of a feller say what those infamous death flights at that of a hill of willow hill,

i'm water mm i'm immediately struck by her use of the nazi term, final solution used for the jews. i've arranged to meet judge daniel affect us at the holocaust museum and boy in his iras. he believed that argentina's military dictatorship was inspired by naziism. his book on the history of hitler's final solution is well known in argentina to resign america out of the anna maria carry. aga speaks about the final solution is what happened in argentina, comparable to that. let's see. i wanna see where noise is. we'll go and go by our liberator la loca la loca, you can't really compare them. but amid the logic of the final solution is present, right from the start of argentina's military dictatorship. everything was madison was in the safe and me vice on march 24th 1976. i think the military junta decided to eliminate the leftist movement by physically annihilating all left his groups

and their supporters are many danasia. make you wait lumina, feel fisco. it all lost a mass shootings because the secret camps and the death flights were part of that plan. it did belong dissolution of united this implement and i go with thousands of people disappeared and are still untraceable to day yong gone. what our generation is now putting this final solution process in our country on trial, the and convicting the criminal 6. what sort of, you know, a 2nd, the federal thought and officer, i'm a who run lincolnton under timothy twice in 2006. the court called the hunter's crimes genocide. so the sons and daughters of the disobedient stories grew whole they fathers, perpetrators of genocide. but many argue that this systematic

plan of extermination wasn't purely an argentinian creation. international interests will also play the piano at a body says her father worked for military intelligence and was trained by american and french offices. his headquarters. we're located in this building in the center of glen is iris. i've got it, but he knew a whole strategy of state tara, during the 19 seventy's was coordinated from here. all the secret service officers were trained in panama and in the united states put on a month for an immediate though then french military veterans also came to provide training and torture and human extermination. before they gained their experience from the atrocities they had committed against civilians. and the

algerian wall, several frenchman came to leno cyrus before 9 know 70 a said guy, even before my parents got divorced, when i was just a little girl. and i remember the interactions that my father had with these frenchman. larry les, don't get any any further to call and say, did you know what your father was doing? no savvy, except that i didn't know for sure. i suspected it, but i couldn't deal with that back there. at 1st i wasn't able to do the research and seek out information. i read. i think it would have killed me. i would have committed suicide, good movies. and why do i know which one i've isn't? i've noticed that so many of you have a background in psychology. i see that i think what was that important for you to be able to stand up to your father's think?

yeah, i love what saved me. it was words and being able to speak of it. that's why i love friday and that's why i will always practice psychoanalysis. i'll seek one luther and either no way is the intellectual legacy of sigmund freud more alive than inborn as iris. freud's theory of the uncanny in people and his approach to coming to terms with the past is something anna maria, carry jaga is very familiar with. she teaches freud's theories to university students. allow my nana is tell me when o death of the world. is that what you are experiencing is an important contribution to society and associate also for societies that have so far not condemned, such crime room or coming to terms with the past is very healthy for

a person's life. olivia, you're already crossing borders. are you reaching other countries? aren't you? even europe, germany will burn my c face. yes, jelly. brazil have soon, paraguay, uruguay. and witness who in touch with the descendants of nazis who marvel lattice cosette on her blizzard. that's why your work is so important. more and more women and men adjoining disobedient stories. 60, more recently, even 3rd generation relatives nicholas threw up to his grandfather, was sentenced to 25 years in prison. but no one in the family ever talks about his crimes. nicholas decided to break the silence and perceive the truth. doyle, i am pretty late here. he invoked i believe i will. adequate. i had the privilege of meeting the only survivor who testified against my grandfather in court. he,

i order. it's very difficult and upsetting a mock and i'm here for that. but, but this contact with her gives me the strength to continue to see him. but i thought i said the victims always say thank you know that that's the 1st thing. they thank you for speaking publicly. excellent. i like brings that's one of the main reasons. i'm still on this path. media. mm mm. i seen as a disobedient stories, relatives are genocide, perpetrators for truth and justice. okay. i admit, sadly that it took me a long time to come to terms with what my father had done to me by. like what i remember the shame of my name. you the fear of being known as a descendant of a killer book. you gave me only fair contempt pain. untangle you down the guilt at different levels and the subsequent silence. nope. you, i don't want to love him. okay. it's too painful. ah,

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