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a former us special representative for ukraine negotiations. and he believes the west should be doing more to support ukraine. remember, ukrainians are paying for our security with their lives. we would be paying for their security with higher prices, but could crocks in the western alliance deal a long term support for ukraine, oldest and more on conflict. so ambassador care polka, welcome to conflict on. thank you very much. great to be here. nato held a summit last week in which he declared its strategic concept, and russia was labeled a direct threat to the block. how does that help you cream? well, i think 1st off, it's important that nato actually do is 1st jobs, which is collective defense. and so, by recognizing the threat that russia presents in europe as a whole, not only against the graeme, but against nato allies,

as well. nato's taking an important step, and this gives nato a foundation for improving its own defense capabilities. increasing defense spending increasing high readiness forces deploying forces. further forward, all of this is meant to contain much, it doesn't do anything for ukraine, specifically, some of the other nato allies, of course, including united states in germany, and you are providing direct systems to train. that's done outside benito framework . not you said in a recent interview that when it comes to protecting the blog, nato has done a very good job. you just had the same thing right now, but when it comes to being relevant and effective in crisis management during the biggest war in europe, court, nato hasn't distinguished itself. is natal failing ukraine and buster vulgar? well, i think nato is not playing a role right now. in this largest war, europe, nato was founded in order to create security for the us and it is doing that. but

it's 2nd core function from the strategic concept. even the one that was just agreed at the madrid summit. it says the 2nd core function of nato is crisis management and nato is not really involved in ending this crisis. rushes. busy against ukraine. one thing that i think natal couldn't be doing even today is providing a clearinghouse functions for arms and shipments to ukraine. united states is doing this out of ramstein based doing it all the bilateral bases with many other countries. but this is something that nato has done for and could do in this case as well. what else you need to be doing is just about getting house functionally. is there more that need to be to directly help your friend? yeah, i think there are also functions in terms of intelligence collection and sharing with screenings. there are communication functions that could be done. and most importantly, i think it's the training and equipping of ukrainian forces. nato couldn't do that,

but it's being done only by individual allies. at this time, so just going back to that summit in madrid, nato has committed more troops to the east. it has committed more troops to the baltic that has increased its response. forced by a factor of 8 to about 300000 nato is still not on the right track. well, no, i think need arisen on the right track in terms of collective defense. as i said, i think there it is. done a very good job. the increases and high rating new forces, if they are truly realized, will be very significant. the forward deployment and forces to poland, romanian baltic states. that's very important. and the inclusion of gentlemen in sweden will do a lot of strength and security in northern europe. so all of those things are very positive. it is again coming to this question. ukraine, an ongoing war in europe where tens of thousands of people have been killed and millions of been displaced. this is where we need all of us,

whether it's individual allies or nato, or frankly, the european union or others. we need to step out for support for ukraine so that ukraine can win this work quickly. let's talk about winning just walk quickly. you can the presidency. lensky has been asking for long range artillery pieces for months. he's also asked for $5000000000.00 per month to keep the war going against russia. is finally going to get this. he's getting some of what he's asking for, but not all of it. the u. s. high rams missile launcher systems have arrived in ukraine and are beginning to be integrated into the forces. and that is already helped the ukrainians take out some rush and initial depos, for instance, that movie to a poll airport. so that is important. they're also going to be getting some more sophisticated air defense systems, which should help protect cities against them. but i think when the president landscape is making that he's not getting them foster of when you need them. is

that going to start to happen now? unfortunately, i don't see any change in that. i agree with president lensky. he's not getting as much as he needs. you need hundreds of thousands of more rounds of ammunition. he needs dozens more of the launch rock of systems artillery systems and he's getting smaller numbers and he's getting them at a slower pace. and i think all of us would like to see why it's not happening, is that because nato is dragging its feet all because these stocks just don't exist to be able to provide them to ukraine when ukraine wants them. well, again, this is not something that nato is doing at all. it is something that individual nato countries or to a degree the united states. germany i know, has very low stocks, other countries, all very low stocks. us has been drawing down it. stocks of defense materials in providing a ukraine. but nonetheless, taking a long time. this question,

for example, about providing these multiple launch rockets systems, the are the or longer range artillery. we knew back in february and march that this would be needed and it is now july and they're just arriving. so this is something where we could have been much faster. what is the risk if these weapons on to deliver to ukraine when they want them? well, the risk is that more ukrainian diet russians are using artillery, compound, ukrainian divisions. they have a longer range artillery. so when they fire ukrainians don't have the range to fire back. they have thousands and thousands and thousands more rounds of ammunition than the premiums have. so the ratio is almost 10 poll that the russians are delivery. you know, the russian stocks are getting accurate. some of them don't work. estimates be anywhere from a half to 2 thirds don't work when they land. but even then,

this is very dangerous for you training. if they get the systems there, they can push the russians back. i'd like to talk more about that and how the war is going. other you want to so far recorded some more than 10000 civilian casualties in ukraine. some 12000000 people have been forced to flee the home. and now over the weekend, russia is claiming that it controlled the new hans region. is ukraine losing this war? not at all. russia entered this war in order to rebuild the russian empire to exterminate crane as a country and civil a people. and it is utterly failed to do that, grania and push them back from keith. from the north east from su, need from germany, from odessa to the ukrainian stablish that they will remain a sovereign independent european democracy. this is critically important. russia has taken about 20 percent of ukrainian territory that has come tremendously high

price for russia. they're going probably now not to be able to take much more and try to dig in and defend instead. but i think the question i'm best of ok is what happens about this 20 percent? i mean, you're quite right. i will be haynes, the director of us from intelligence, did say russia controls about 20 percent of ukraine, but then you have president landscape remaining firm on the assertion that crane will begin all of its sovereignty by the taking all of this territory. is this even realistic? is realistic if ambitious, but it is realistic. ukrainian. now having basically let the russians exhaust themselves militarily. and russia not gaining more ground will now be in a position where they are just sitting there. ukraine will begin counter offenses to retake territories. they will be more strategic than the rest of the work. what the rest of just talking to hans is not very momentarily insignificant. ukrainians will be 1st trying to get the russians out of castles. cutting off their supply

lines. they're pushing back, breaking the land bridge between dawn bus and crimea was probably around the little pole and trying to push the rushes further away from harkey. all of this i think, is quite achievable, how far the ukrainians can push back. we don't know yet, but we know they have the determination to fight. is this what victory looks like for you korean, given the situation on the ground now? well, victory for ukraine is this survival as a sovereign independent european democracies. and that's already assured. now the question is, can they get all their territory back or not? i certainly hope they can, but that will be part of the fighting that we see coming up later this summer and in the a lot of this will depend on how the negotiations finally end up. i mean, they're supposed to begin at some point. they will have to begin at some point and just on that point, electrical your attention to a recent joint article in the telegraph that you create in foreign minister dimitra

cool about authored with his u. k counterpart, lease trust they wrote, and i quote, 14 will only be seated about negotiations once the ukrainian people have pushed his troops back. now, i think we both agree that that won't be quick or easy. is there a risk that ukraine's western backers won't have the patients for that? there is a risk. you know, you do here period a clean statements about we must not humiliate to didn't. i think the president said that or the ukraine needs to negotiate the costs are too high, but every time that happens, ukrainians insist that it's their country and they will be the ones to decide whether they are fighting back to retake it or not. and they have every intention to do so, and as long as the ukrainians maintain that resolved, i am pretty sure that the western united states will continue to support you. i mean, you talked about what president mcroy had sent over. she was quite heavily criticized

by the ukranian, but then you also have italy. we circulated in may a piece plan which essentially put the don beth and crimea up for negotiation between russia and ukraine. do you think there is a real risk that creature nations in europe like germany, france, italy will push for a cease fire even if that comes of the cost of ukrainian territory? yes, yes. i think that is a risk. you saw that with the drug plan. you saw that with mccullin's comments, we heard some comments from germany as well and especially at gluten will try to squeeze gas supplies to europe this winter. he hopes that by creating more pain for west europeans, it will cause governments in western europe to be great to get a lot of territory. i think it's despicable that that is students plan, but that is what you will try to do. and it is important that all of us keep up the support for ukraine and keep the pressure back on russia and not give in to those

calls for ukraine to give up the territory. what happens down the line? and best of all, if during negotiations, ukraine demands things that it's western beckers aren't ready to support. well it's, it's hard to know what that would be because at this point, i think the western countries that are supporting ukraine continuously reaffirm we support ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity and grain has a right to fight back and reject territory. so there's nothing that ukraine is asking for saying that they have not received support for as a matter of principle from the west. that is for the time being. let's talk about the west as a whole. and i think by virtue, if you haven't been a us ambassador to need to, we do need to discuss the us, his role here moving forward. now, so far in the united states, it appears that the public is heavily behind whatever action the government is taking in support of ukraine. but given the domestic issues,

some very divisive domestic issues that are playing out to the united states. now, how long can this public support stay the course? well, talking about the united states, i think that it will not only stay the course, but it will increase. the biden administration has been slow and doing partial steps and getting a lot of pressure from the congress, republicans and democrats to do more and do it faster. and that is based on strong public support for ukraine's. so i see mid term elections actually strengthening the position in congress to push ministration to be doing even more to help just about the midterm elections are going to be happening in november and it's widely predicted that the republicans will end up controlling the house. and the senate you are certain that us bipartisanship will remain beyond november. yes, i think we've seen it already where you had

a republican senator, senator johnny earned republican, senator foreign affairs committees and johnson, you have others and they are working very closely with their democratic counterparts. jan foreign relations committee, sen, manenda, europe, committees, subcommittee chair sen, shaheen. they're all working together. they are pushing for more support to ukraine . and you have slips. and you now have republicans in the majority and democrats, and already i think we continue to work together to provide that support. you're giving names of you giving names of republicans that mil to throw some republican names at your senate hopeful, j events. for instance, a thing i caught, i got to be honest with you, i don't really care what happens to ukraine one way or the other. you have senator ron paul, who's saying that the us shouldn't be ukraine's court sugar daddy. i mean,

these are the worst of the 2 heading on the republican side of things. could these voices not effect the mood in the republican party going forward, especially after november? well, they are not the leading voices right now, and i don't believe they will be after november either rand pause been in the senate for years. and he has usually expressed opinion like that. and usually been quite along. there are, in addition to that, do that. you mentioned j, v that is elected dental ad avoids. there's a huge there's one or 2 others who are often skeptical about continued us support of scale with us support. but you have senator mitch mcconnell, minority leaders, if he becomes the majority leader again, he has offered very strong support for ukraine. and the vast majority of the republican senator and i can name dozens of them. are very strongly supportive ukraine in fact, very critical administrations for not doing more. i mean,

you talk about what, what was going to happen in november. but already in may, we saw some opposition within the republican party, especially when it came to passing the $40000000000.00 package of assistance for ukraine. you had 11 republicans in the senate, 57 in the house who voted against it. you are certain that this does not reflect cracks in the republican party over support for ukraine. no, there are fringes on the right, and there are fringes on the left. who do not want to see the us supporting your grades for whatever reasons, whether it's budgetary or fear of russia, whatever it might be. but you also have to take that number 1111 republicans. you have a hands on with democrats as well. let's push it up to 20. that means there are still 80 senators, republican and democrat prepared to vote for just about anything to support russia or to impose sanctions on russian or support ukraine, or protection on russia. so that a strong bipartisan support from the heart of both parties remain. that is

opposition within the democratic party is one is not just the republicans. i mean, representative ro cannot. for example, he has said, prolonged, never ending conflict is wreaking havoc on the american economy in the global economy. and people don't want to see a resigned attitude that this is just going to go along. go and go on as long as it's going to go on. surely present button can't ignore this going forward. well, that's what i just said. even if you take the fringes on both sides and put them together, you're still not going to get more than 20 votes in the senate. so that is a very solid majority to work with. and there are strong voices on democratic sites, including sen, manenda chairs, and a car and relations committee. chuck schumer is currently the majority leader, the head of the house foreign affairs committee. gregory beacons all very supportive of the administration person or biden, and very supportive of the position that you ministration has taken to provide

a great, i'm going to walk you served under donald trump. i suppose the wondering here in europe is if his isolation is brand of us foreign policy could make a return to the white house in 2024. is that a real concern? yes, people should be concerned about that. we've had, we take it beyond president trump, we had every us president, after their election talks in one way or another about pulling back from our commitments abroad and focusing on nation building at home as president obama said we're, if the economy stupid as president clinton said or not fighting other people's civil wars and ending to wars as president obama said. so this america, 1st policy president, trump, all you know, it is part of that tradition is a little bit more outspoken in the way president trump does it. but it is a tradition out there that we do have to watch out for. fortunately,

i think russians oppression that we saw since february as strengthened the international side of both the republican and democratic parties. and it has caused them just to recognize rushes, threats, and the need to push back against them. right, let's look at the other side of western unity. what's happening here in the european union, sweden fund. and linda has won that interest in the you can, water is fading because food prices energy prices are rising. they're expected to rise even further. heading later into the yeah. bonus johnson is warning of ukraine fatigue. can europe sustain support for the long term for ukraine? yeah, that's the challenge i think here we talked about already. i think it will get harder for europe as russia squeezes energy. this winter's both in terms of price and availability. it's going to cause some real hardship in europe. and that in turn,

may put pressure on government, say, hey, it's time for ukraine today. she's buyers. i think that that is the greater risk that we're based right now. essentially what you're saying is russian gas could did in europe, in unity i have done so in the math than it could be, could do. so again, it is certainly intention to use energy that way. so when, when natal chief insult and book says ukraine will have support from the block go for as long as it takes. do you believe him? well, i do. i think he's making the right statements. i think it is the intention of every country now, but just as you're identifying how many these trends that are work you can on that engine, it could change. and that's what we all have to work against to make sure that both in the united states and especially in europe are, especially in the winter if there's an energy crunch, that we have the fortitude to support ukraine. remember,

ukrainians are paying for our security with their lives. we would be paying for their security with higher prices. you also said in march and best of the key to your current survival is holding off. russian forces long enough for sanctions against russia to have that impact. do you think sanctions have gone far enough? no, i don't. i think that they need more time. and that is something where, you know, week by week we see some evidence that your sanctions are taking a bite. for instance, shareholders with gas bomb just voted to increase the amount of taxes that they're paying to the russian government as an indicator of the russian government. sure cash. so there are things that we're starting to see, but i think we need to close loopholes in the sanctions directly against smaller russian banks or fronting for the bigger banks, financial transfers to russia that are still getting through and shipment of oil from russia. let's take away the insurance of those ships and imports of russian

oil and gas, which are still not shut down. you're given the state of the european union the way it is right now. do you see that happening and toll oil is certainly possible. there is no reason why ports of russian oil could not be stopped. gas. i know it's an order. i know people see a tough transition, especially going through this winter. but again, ukrainians are paying for this with their lives. we haven't had a sense of urgency, even if it means a bit higher prices. and i think europe has the means to actually be able to take off itself off russian gas sooner than the end of next year, which is the current idea. let's look ahead to possible future ties between the you and russia. in an interview, on the 27th of june, ambassador you said the following. the decision, the europeans really need to be making is we can't live with this genocidal maniac . next door to us any more, i think you and i both agree that 14 doesn't look to be going away anytime soon. so

what does that future look like? well, again, you can deal with someone like he has ordered his forces into ukraine, and the direct war of aggression is lied to all of us about his intentions. repeatedly, he had directed his forces to commit war crimes including use of rape as a war, including the killing civilians, including the targeting of maternity hospitals and civilian facilities. so this is not something where anyone in europe can work with this. and this regime regime is going to have to go now that being said, i don't agree that we will be seeing the end of good and anytime soon, there are many indications that he is in poor health. steal these territories from crane. now you want to be part of his personal legacy. so i think that pressures are building as a result of the war effort and not going well for russia as

a result of sanction. as a result of internal pressures in russia that something may snap and we should just not be. we should not be afraid of that we should keep pressing. putting the pressure on the rushing ambassador walker, what would you like to see happening now in europe? so that piece returns off to this war. well, i like to see russia withdraw its forces from ukraine. that's the way we'll have peace again. it russia is able to continue to attack its neighbors, to steal their territory, to commit war crimes and get away with it. there will never be security in europe and one on a piece. and remember that russia occupies parts of moldova and georgia as well. so this, what we're seeing in ukraine is brutal, but is a continuation of a many years patter. and that means that pattern will continue in the future unless russia is forced to pull out. i'm president cut,

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