on the hook to slack, it's a history of slender, of hatred and violence. is the bodies from from then on the jews were considered servants of evil. they simply told you the most atrocious chapter and within 6 years, a 3rd of our people were exterminating meeting $6000000.00 jews, like microbes to be annihilated, cope even 77 years after the holocaust hatred towards jews is still pervasive. a history of anti semitism this week on d. w. ah, you as president biden arrived in saudi arabia to day before he shook hands with the king, he bumped fis with the crown prince. no smiles were exchanged, eye contact was minimal. it was all very quick, but hard to imagine that it was entirely painless. the saudi crown prince is

considered a criminal by us intelligence, responsible for murder, 2 years ago by vows to make the prince a pariah. alonda is changed since then. see today's fishbock. i'm brigade from berlin, this is the day. ah, i always bring up human rights. i always knew for my position on co shogi has been so clear. biden is being caught. basically making a very, very big you turned light in the little see it were a lot with the coil. it all the principals and molly is reason i'm going to saudi arabia though, is much broaders to promote us interest of accountability. that is looking non law

also coming up a german soldier, convicted of planning a domestic terrorist attack tonight. he's on his way to prison. the court may clear that the plaintiff has right wing extremist not see these, these fees on an indication that he was firmly determined to commit a crime, the plaintive, quiet weapons and ammunition to commit an attack on high ranking politicians. all public figures. ah, we'll to our viewers watching o p b s in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with the most anticipated moment in u. s. president biden's visit to the middle east today. biden arrive in saudi arabian, on his way to greet the king. he was met by the crown prince. it was a 5 2nd exchange that grabbed half the world's attention. the you as president greeted saudi crown, prince mohammed ben selman with a fist bump. no small talk,

no smiles, both appeared more than willing to get it over with as quickly as possible. no up until today biden had refused to speak with the crown prince. 2 years ago as he campaigned to become us, president biden accused the crown prince of serious human rights abuses, and he vowed to make him a pariah. so why in the world did biden make saudi arabia stop on his 1st tour of the middle east by needs the soul. these help to bring down oil prices and so far they've refused to pump more, even if they changed course, even if that helps bring down the price at the pump for us consumers. what will be the ultimate price? biden, for many, is now seen as a back pedaling president who just paid a visit to a prince, who does not look much like a pariah. this with us diplomacy in saudi arabia not long ago, former president donald trump performing a sword dance. trump and his administration embraced the country and its crown

prince mohammed bin selma, known as and b. yes. that was despite the country's widespread human rights abuses and the murder of dissident journalist, jamal casualty at the saudi consulate in istanbul. multiple investigations said the order to kill her, so she must have come from the top. from been salmon himself. many world leaders condemned m b s. austin wattley malta. so that puts president joe biden in a tough spot when he was a candidate, he called for saudi arabia to be treated as a per ryan nation on but by needs to address oil prices, which have spiked largely due to russia's war in ukraine. biden also needs the saudi's help against us adversary, iran, which is ramping up its nuclear program. washington is pushing the saudis to cooperate with israel, despite the history of mistrust and conflict against iran. both countries

considered hereon an arch foe. saudi arabia with its huge oil reserves, has made itself impossible to ignore for decades. it's used its power over energy markets to both hurt and help us. in the 1900 seventy's, the saudis contributed to the u. s. economy tumbling into recession with oil embargoes, but in later decades, the saudis were seen as a dependable partner in providing oil and as an ally in an unfriendly region. then came september 11th, most of the hijackers of the plains that flew into the world trade center and the pentagon, were saudis many with high reaching connections. but washington played it down. this friendly attitude continued. when mohammed been sal, mom took over. he cultivated ties. president trump's family and trump refused to condemn him for the casualty. murder,

joe biden prefers to speak to m. b. s. his father. king samar, who officially real as the country. but the king has been ill, and has rarely been seen in public and recent years. all that oil and the enormous psalms, the kingdom has to invest worldwide. keep saudi arabia irrelevant. and that means dealing directly with whoever's in charge. well, my 1st guest tonight is ken roth, executive director of human rights watch. he joins me to night from geneva, switzerland can it's good to see you. again. i just want to say, i want to start with the optics of, of what we saw today that the bumped fist that president biden shared with the saudi crown prince. what did that cost the u. s. president? well, look, i think that i'm, the big question that you posed in this opening is your, is biden's seen is selling his human rights principles for the possibility of a smidge in more of saudi oil down the road. there's no media promise,

but he may be in the future. unbind wanted to be seen to be trying to fight inflation. so he went to saudi arabia. and the question is he, while he's there signaling his ongoing profound concern about the saudi crown princess, abysmal human rights record. and so far he is utterly failed. you know, the fist pomp was supposed to be short of a handshake. but you know, that's not enough. that's not a statement of human rights principles. i'm. he then met with the crown prince alone and came out and recounted what had happened. and it was a really a poor performance to be honest with you. i'm here, he said, are we discussed human rights and political reform, which are in a meaningless faith. the saudi people have no idea what specific abuses biden talked about. they had an exchange about jamal to show the murder. no biden said, you mohammed ben, simon ordered it, and b, i said, no, i didn't, they said, well, we disagree. move on basically. and, and then, you know,

buying had this almost incoherent statement where he said, you know, dealing with saudi critics abroad is a violation of human rights. he couldn't even get himself the sake chilling saudi critics abroad, or threatening saudi critics abroad, or arresting their families back in the kingdom. you know, those are all things that happened. those are violations of human rights, but couldn't even get that out of his mouth. so you know, what you get is to sort of minimal whist token ist reference to human rights as if somehow that makes up this huge legitimacy boost their bind is given the saudi crown prince by going to reach georgia jetta and meeting with him. and what i'm reading here is the president biden, you know, he was asked, you know, what about if there is another jamal could shogi another more. and the president is quoted as saying, if anything like that occurs again, they'll get the response that they deserve. and much more that is going to ring

hollow though, in the salty kingdom, isn't it after the visit today? but that's the problem. i mean, what happened after the last murder? you know, he was declared prior and here we are a little over a year later on and he's welcome back into the phone because the united states, you know, wants to be seen as pushing for more saudi oil. so biden can be seen as having been really fighting to lower inflation in advance of the mid term elections. think this is not a principal stands for him, right? yeah, everybody can be fortunately, right? when it's easy, the question is, what if there's a price to be paid and buying showed he's not willing to pay that price. you know, the other thing he sites as well, you know, there, there is a ceasefire in yemen and everybody's happy live versus his fire yemen. that's a horrible conflict. but you know, mohammed can summon his vehemently fought any accountability for the systematic bombing of yeah, many civilians. so if the ceasefire fails, we have every reason to believe that yami civilians are going to be targeted again . your, by the sites, you know,

is new rip reproach mall between saudi arabian israel, where there now was a direct flight between the 2. and they're going to cooperate and fighting iran. but the truth is both saudi arabian israel have their own deep interests in opposing iran. they don't need to have the u. s. government give up its human rights principles to achieve. i'm going to come back to yemen in just a moment, but let's stick with it with the notion here. oil, the find administration wants saudi arabia to pump more oil. saudi arabia's spare capacity, as i understand it is rather modest. i mean the impact on fuel prices would also be modest us what economists are saying. so how can, how can this be worth so much to the u. s. president, is this, is this all about getting prices to come down at the gas pump bright before the mid term elections? is that what this is all about? no, i think this is all about buying, pretending to be doing something about inflation. you know, initial limit to what he can do. it's mainly in that hands of the fat in the,

in the right, raising interest rates in the like. but buying, you know, is being held responsible by many americans for the rise and the gas prices in particular. so even though there's not a lot he can do, even though saudi arabia, as you say, does not have a lot of spare capacity. it's not even promising to use anything right now. a thing may be down the road of any more. ah, it's that, that, that has medics the look that by being able to go there, as he said to night and say, you know, i pushed for more oil to fight inflation. and that's what this is about. and that is, you know, that is not something to give up basic human rights principles in can. how do you explain us foreign policy? we've, we've got a war going on right now in ukraine. so you've got vladimir putin had of russia. you've got the saudi crown prince, the defective leader. there. saudi arabia, in both of these men, are responsible and behind, you know, attacks on innocent civilians, one being in ukraine. the other being in yemen. are there not accountable really,

to any one of their, not democratically elected, at least the crown prince is not. and yet the united states chooses to stand with saudi arabia and now has turned vladimir putin into a pariah. how do you explain that? look at it 1st. i think we should be clear, the couldn't not fairly liked it either. you know, they both are autocrats unaccountable to their people. each of them able to pursue a war, you know, put in ukraine on and b as in yemen with horrible consequences. my fear is that president biden is missing the forest for the trees here. he's too focused on, you know, maintaining a military coalition against russia. to do that. he, he's a nice to keep inflation down, therefore he needs saudi arabia to pot boil. but what he's missing in that is that, you know, the ukraine conflict is perhaps more importantly, i'm central in the global contest between democracy and autocracy. and china is the main adversary there. and the chinese government, other autocrats love to say,

well, you know, we may be autocrats but democratic leaders are hypocritical and they don't even stick up for democratic principles when the going gets tough. and i'm afraid that this, by the trip to saudi arabia, this re embrace of the saudi crown prince is going to be exhibit a, in the case of the autocrats claiming that democratic principles are really just principles of the partners. so that risks, you know, maybe gaining a little bit and building the anti rush, a coalition around ukraine, but losing a whole lot in this global contest between democracy and autocracy. kin roth, executive director of human rights watch him as always. we appreciate your time, especially on a friday night and your insights. thank you. thank you. ah . but today a court here in germany convicted a german soldier of planning a far right terrorist attack. 33 year old franco al brush was sentenced to 5 and a half years in prison. now the former boomed, this vale lieutenant led

a double wife hosing as a syrian asylum seeker. although he can't speak arabic, prosecutor say that he intended to pass off at an attack as an act of terrorism, committed by a refugee in order to undermine the german governments migrant. an asylum policies . a prosecutors say albrecht had a list of potential murder targets, including the german interior minister, the vice president of the german parliament and the jewish head of an anti racism foundation. i'll brush told the court that he considers germany's current migration policy to be genocide. to the now, to stephanie about side, the court is convinced that the plaintiff wanted to commit a politically motivated crime. in an, in its deliberations, the court may clear that the plaintive has right wing extremist nazi views, underclass escapade water,

these views on their own and not the basis for the punishment. however, according to the court, these views are an indication that he was firmly determined to commit a crime by vocally unlike the sonata. according to the court, the plaintive, quiet weapons and ammunition which he possessed in order to commit an attack on high ranking politicians, all public figures had any kindness at the leave of begin can. i'd for more know when to bring in a reporter been night. he attended the hearing to day in frankfort. he is in berlin to night, been. it's good to have you with a scholar. this is one of the few times in post war germany, history that we have seen a member of the german armed forces accused to planning a terrorist attack. did you get a sense of the unprecedented gravity of this case inside the courtroom? yeah, yeah, i mean it was, it was definitely a tense atmosphere in the book. the defendant

himself looks fairly relaxed throughout and he so sad it was like a kind of lost to 2 hours while you have that judgement may was red, same he kind of not that same self at one point, but there was no what happened earlier in the trial is that he would like he would sort of use to use the child as a bit of a platform and, and talk about his kind of various races, conspiracy theories, and he can very quiet and the need to speak and an interrupt. so i didn't try and make a demonstration out of it, but yeah, as you said, it was a, it was definitely a significant trial for germany. this, this case was about right. we extremism which the german interior minister has said is the biggest threat facing the country. do you think the court wanted to make an

example of this ex soldier? yeah, well they didn't, they didn't. so on the one hand, the judge definitely took the stays line on the prosecution's line of argument. they said yes, he was definitely planning an attack. and yes, he was planning an attack as he was a, a racist. i'm to see my and but the on the hand, they could have given him a much stronger sense. and so the maximum sentence for the crime that he was a convicted of which is preparing a serious, violent offense, endangering the state would have been 10 years. and he eventually got 5 and a half years on the prosecution itself, only asked for 6 years. so they that the judge was a slightly more lenient. i kind of gave him a few months off his sentence, partly because the trial had been so public. and so spectacular, they said that his right to like it,

his is presumption of innocence. rights have been violated slightly because it was such a public trial. so they kind of, they could have been a lot harder on him in general, the prosecution was very happy with the result. and if we look beyond this court case, is there evidence to support claims of wide spread far right sympathies within the german armed forces? well yeah, i mean that's what came out of this trial. i mean that's one of the reasons why this channel was so significant is because we learn through this evidence that there are networks or gather on tele grandma in the armed forces and in the police. and they are, and they are so preparing for their so called day acts, which is this vaguely defined day when the state, the state powers will come bowl. and there will be some kind of violent

compensation. so they hold guns and he hoarded guns and, and it's because of this case that we know that these, these networks existed and they were, and the because of him and they were man, it, they were able to trace other people who are in the armed forces or formerly in the armed forces of police officers as well and who were holding guns and a lot of guns or seas. so that was one of the reasons why this case was so important. so, i mean, it would be wrong to say that, you know, the german forces are totally riddled with nazis, but at the same time you do it, you can say the word, there are networks. and one of the significant reasons of this trial. so important is because the, the, the government now has to commit to finding them, you know, there's much more awareness of that problem now to be reporter, been nice for us up to date on any credibly important verdict and prison sentence

that was handed down to the frank, frank, ben, thank you ah, russian attacks and ukraine continue to target civilians in different locations to universities in the frontline city of michael live in southern ukraine were hit today. the cds administration provided this footage and the regional governor says 10 russian missiles hit early on friday. at least 2 people were wounded. meanwhile, far away from the front line in the needs rescue words are searching for survivors embodies after a missile stroy on thursday. at least $23.00 people were killed there, including we understand at least 3 chill where the russian invasion of ukraine is prompting germany to overhaul its cyber security. defense is not the government here in berlin. fears that kremlin sponsored cyber attacks could come as payback

for economic sanctions that have been slapped on russia. part of the plan involves promoting cyber resilience for companies that are supplying critical infrastructure such as transport, food, health, energy, and water. once again, our agenda has the clear goen of combating cyber crime and criminal content on the internet with much greater consistency isn't of i t and we must be able to act on i t infrastructure that i used for an attack is easy yet that in this way as security authorities can prevent, stop, or at least mitigate cbs attacks abstraction. so for more of this i want to bring in now rob chaplain t is known as an ethical hacker. he's also head of cyber services at phalanx. cyber rob, it's good to have you on the show. you know, you say you are an ethical hacker. so when you look at germany's current cyber

security setup, what would an unethical, a hostile hacker be capable of doing? yeah, that's right. so my job is simulating these, these criminal attacks and looking at how vulnerable most companies are at the moment. a sufficiently skilled and advanced tucker as we have coming out of russia would be able to target. most companies, generally speaking, most can be don't really know what they're doing. it's very difficult to defend yourself against cyber attacks. nowadays, it's very confusing as a lot of things. what do i do? what dates? so at the moment we're looking at situation where companies are vulnerable and we need something in place to help those companies know how to defend themselves. you know, the german government's own paper on cybersecurity. it's pretty, it's sober reading actually. and i'm quoting here, it says sabotaged disinformation are capable of massively and persistently impairing or even disrupting the functioning of our community and our economy. how

worried should we be? i mean, based on my experience, it is surprising the simple breaking to, to most companies to even large companies, but small to medium companies especially. and a lot of critical infrastructure is made up of those smaller companies, or at least their suppliers to the larger companies. so we should be worried, however, it is very difficult to do a mass attack on lasers company, similar chains. and in order to struct christmas crit, grassland structure or large scale, you would need to do that. so i think what we'll see is individual companies being affected, and we've seen that already. we see lots of lots of energy companies and other businesses being attacked, but i think we'll see those companies being hit and often by ramps and why those kind of keep map and wraps of storage attacks happening. but i think it's unlike a we'll see a mass mass scale attack, because i think we probably would have seen that already when, when the invasion started with the current situation. you have 16 german state, 16 states that are responsible for their own cybersecurity. so we're talking about

decentralization here. is that a good or a bad thing in the eyes of a bad hacker? i think in the always the bad hacker, you want that to be lots and lots of different rows. so 16 states is good for the bad hackers. because there are lots and lots of different conflicting advice. and when you're a small business and you just want to survive, you're trying to make money. you're trying to look on your shareholders, etc. it's very difficult to work out how to defend yourself against attacks, who is much better for a company to have centralized advice where everything, you know, it's going to work, you know, take the steps and we're going to have to spend the day cybersex. where is it at the moment you have conflicting abortion, different areas, it's very, very difficult to defend yourselves not. so let's imagine we've got russian sponsored hackers here who want to launch a cyber attack here in germany. they're not going to like the news then that the german federal office for information security is going to soon take over from the

16 states when we're talking about cybersecurity are they know, i mean, it should make it harder for the ac is it obviously depends on how good the voices and you hope it will be good and how, how well it's followed. of course those companies have limited budgets. sorry, the voice coming out is quite expensive and what they do, then that's a lot more difficult and to implement. but if the voice is quite simple, like nice stuff, like long passwords, multi factor authentication, anti virus, i'm backup systems that complete the offline. so you get hit by rats when you called the hackers can get to that as well. but is it, what is it that simple do rob, is it that simple? i mean it's those, it's a basic steps you can do. so i mean, cybersecurity can get really, really complex, but actually in most cases, the attackers go to the easy stuff, the, the low hanging fruit, the things that reading exploits inherently. they're lazy, right, and they will go to the easiest company. so if every company's got all the base to expect in place, you may see that much more difficult for them to break it. no, it's not the tax. georgia tax that the russians who try, ethical hacker,

rob chaplin rob is always good talking with you. tell you if i want to protect my id systems, i'll definitely give you a call. thank you. with the day's almost done the conversation that continues online. you'll find us on twitter either w news. you can follow me on twitter at brent gov. tv at. remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. have a good weekend, everybody. ah ah, with

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