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pounding residential areas. it's civilians who are paying the debt you price. ukrainian side meanwhile, says it's seeking to amass an arm, a 1000000 troops. so on to the point we asked after capturing large pods of don, boss, will putin had enough tide for more with a warm welcome to to the point with these guests city. liana fix is a political analyst focusing on russia in eastern europe. more it's gutman is chief reporter with the german magazine, cicero and joining us from bon is my ukranian colleague, groman gone to ranko, who works with t w's fresh and language service. thank you so much to all of you for joining us today. liana, i'd like to start with you, your cleaning president followed you,

mister lensky, speaking of this massive counter offensive to regain territories in the country south. is it possible? is that even possible for ukraine to do that? well, you quite obviously needs, at this point, some kind of success and at the moment it would be easier to achieve the successes in the south. although it's still very difficult. then in the east where wash it's basically flowing all it's actually on the ukrainian forces. and pushing forwards, meter, by meter, kilometer by kilometer. at the same time, it's also a tactical decision to announce this this plan to prevent that washer will focus on all troops in the east, but also to we some of the troops in the east and to give where shall the opportunity to move to the south and there to keep them forces focused in the south . but obviously with regard to the weapons available to the ukrainian army, we need much more western support to ukraine to make such an offensive in the south

successful. we'll get to the weapons in a minute. i'd like to get your opinion. do you think that ukraine can even do that with the current capacities that they have? i think at the moment or ukraine is not capable of free capturing hassan region, for example. because it's one question to have 1000000 people who are ready to go and it's another question to equip them properly. i just have one example of a friend to join the army several months ago and he's mainly equipped with stuff that her friends, the made it to him. friends bought the equipment. and of course it's her. a big operation against russians in the caps on region would have fortified their positions over the last month. it's a difficult area to offensive operation and her yes, as you said,

her ukraine needs more than just soldiers to recapture this area. that's right. that's only one part before we ask roman about him. what the possibilities are. i'd like to listen to what the russian president vladimir putin had to say about that the war is just beginning. let's isn't it? shouldn't you most lucian, don't of her that we hear that they wanted defeat us on the battlefield? what can i say still let them try it that the radio. it's a tragedy for the ukrainian people, but it looks like that's where it's heading nor she goes. but every one should know that we haven't even started anything in earnest yet. you initially so the, we have russian president saying that the war is just beginning. i'd like to have the reaction of roman who's joining us from bond. who is the russian president addressing here? of course he's addressing, am ukraine,

he is addressing the worst as ukraine's main support of 4 weapons. and of course, he's also addressing his domestic public in russia. so i think it is indeed a point to where we can say this war is just at the beginning. so this will work very long. conflict probably years ahead of us and russia is really holding back some reserves. it is using old soviet weapons ascending troops from far away regions and keeping all those best equipped troops from moscow or saint petersburg. so we're in the west of frosh, a western part of russia. they are participating in this war but not on a large scale. so russia is preparing for a war of attrition. we're seeing this war of attrition happening. and ukraine needs much more weapons to be able to stand for a long time to, to be able to

a try and recapture maybe some cities in the south at the moment. i think you can, it will be winning this, this at this moment. if it can stop the rush in advance. so stopping russians in the south, stopping them in the east and on bass would be a victory for the moment for ukraine, i think, sent us to add perhaps to that at the same time. it's also strategic communication operation. as we're said towards the west to convey the impression, well, your support is futile. it doesn't make any sense because we can throw as much fold isn't as much material into the war as we want. which is to some extent, of course, overblown because russia had some very heavy casualties. 24000 soldiers as estimated by, by the british side. so this is also a communication at hampton, a propaganda attempt to what the west, to play into war fatigue, to play into the energy crisis, into the inflation way, say some problems in western countries. do you think it's working the propaganda

attempts to tell the wes, this will be a long war. it makes no sense for you to support to be unified with this is solidarity towards ukraine. well, as i look at the german society, for example, i have the feeling that it's working together with this inflation and energy crisis that we see in our country. because the people for the 1st time now they understand that the impact of the war is happening here. people will see over the next month, the energy prices rising really the lot. and of course, people will pose the question to their government. is it worth it? isn't that worth? maybe we need a compromise with russia. we heard these voices over the last 4 months, but they will be stronger even over the next month. and a bit at this moment, put it in ascending the sign. we haven't started yet, or we can do much more. of course,

i have the feeling that this can work. now, before we start talking about, you just mentioned energy price. that's a really big topic, almost for another show. let's focus on the situation on the ground with many saying that the war has just started now in february, but the war has been going on for years and years. so the fighting in some areas of the dunbar since 2014, after the annexation of crimea pro russian separatist wanted the east in ukraine region to secede from the rest of ukraine. and russian troops gradually advanced in the danbury with deadly consequences for the civilians living there. a man's body is recovered from the rubble of a multi story apartment building. neighbors looking on are shocked by the rescue work in chassis b. r in dawn, ask, oh, blast. all that remains of the high rise is a pile of rubble. during the night rush and rockets hit the building, killing more than 40 residence. only

a few survivors could be rescued. now we are always afraid, afraid at night and during the day because we never know when something might happen to us. a ukrainian soldier on home leave finds his grandmother's body under the rubble. i'm at a loss for words. most of all, i would like to kill putin with seemingly unlimited supplies of artillery and ammunition. russia's war machine appears to be slowly but fiercely moving forward. meanwhile, russia has conquered almost the entire don bass region. what a rush has plans for the occupied don't boss really terrible situation for the civilians living there and they're pounded boy. this russian

missiles i'd like to pass the question on to you, leanna, what a russia's plan for the occupied region. well, what we see, what now is that russia's pursuing a defacto annexation of the sweden's, we have politicians coming in. we have washing structures installed in this weekends, ukrainian passports that are taken away and replaced by washing path. but so that's a strategy that we already know from the past. but what is crucial here is, and i think it's really a without a good question to ask if vladimir putin has the appetite for more war. he definitely has because we really should not fall into this trap of thinking. well, he just wants that little honey legions and then he will be satisfied. this is not a question about this is not a war about how it told me. this is a war about existence, about the existence of your queen as an independent nation and washers already. now, beyond those territories, very active beyond those totals, it will continue to advance towards odessa if it has the opportunity. so the question of, you know, can we appease russia? ukraine somehow agrees to a cease fire and to those regions with many and

a washing control is really not a serious question. this is not what i was planning, but for some it is still a serious question. saying that we should talk to russia, that they should be back again on the negotiation table. what do you think it is in? there have been so many red lines by the west when it comes to russia and who tim says, i can continue as long as i want to go. how is it possible to stop? and i think her, the only possibility is to show strength. this is the only thing actually that protein understands. we've seen this over the last decade where we had several attempts of talking to put in. we had lots of politicians in the west is that we have to find a compromise. we have the russians. but unfortunately, this didn't work and those who haven't understood this on february 24th, or maybe it's their problem, putting only understands strength. and so we,

on the one hand, we have to strengthen ukraine concerning the economy concerning the military. on the other hand, we have to find solutions for or for our own economies. this concerns, mainly guess because we are very, very much reliant on russian gas. and we have to redesign our energy system over the upcoming 2 years. not buying gas in other places after these 2 years, but somehow getting rid of gas because if we are just buying gas in other places, this will keep the gas prices on a high level. and this will be very useful to push it to finding a long term solution to the dependence of fresh and gas. i'd like to us roman about the report that we just saw. would rushes plans also considering that russia once

now to have this fast procedure for ukrainians to get a russian passports? what is the plan on a long term? i agree with the owner has just said so the plan is to destroy ukraine as an independent state. and russian keeping on this path, and it is not going to try to fulfill this a quickly. so it russia is trying to, to cut ukraine in pieces because it is just too big to destroy it quickly. and that is why russia has occupied some territories. and is now trying to integrate them into russia by changing the currency. so you pay not in your opinion, but in russian noble. they are changing the school programs. they're sending russian politicians, russian military to control. and of course, they are trying to suppress the ukrainian position in those territories,

the ukrainians, willing to fight behind the front lines. so this will take some time that i think the russia is probably will continue to occupy much more territory by fall maybe in winter. and the west is already doing a lot and what we have seen so far and the west is also facing a dilemma. if they are providing ukraine with more deadly weapons, like those high mars rocket launchers, which are very effective as we have seen in the last few days against russian ammunition depose and command post. and then the west is asking the question, where is the red line for putting when he will head back and he threatened to heat the targets in he didn't specify, but he said we could, we could hit targets that we haven't had before. and she probably implied the

ukranian government may be the kind of defense minister. so targets in the ukranian capital 1 may be targets in other major cities are military targets, targets maybe mar o for where, where you kind of command and is. so it is, it is very difficult for the west. on the one hand, they want to help. they want to supply more weapons, but they have to find a way not to cross a certain line which is not seen. of course, nobody knows where that line is. not to make this war much worse than it already is rolling. you mentioned the civil society and also the ukrainian a position induce occupied territories. and i would like to take a look at and the people living there, the people living in this place is this occupied cities and ukraine wants to retake an hour. you crank, responded. nick connelly spoke with 2 citizens in the southern read, southern city of had thought due to security concerns,

they wanted to stay anonymous. and this is what they had to say. a beginning, we all thought the occupation would be over in a week. it was only a few months in that we finally understood that the russians were here to stay a little while it done before it's fully of military vehicles. and fact, there are many places where we're actually do the georgia and of course you don't hear about that. many people working labs. i see also many posters, policies on facebook dealing disorder person is missing. when the russians came, we were expecting things would be as bad as in mary. you paul know we were scared to even look up the window. it was a fact that we can leave the house and buy food.

seems like a miracle. as you did the delivery day, which is how and where are we got the economy marathon rather than but how realistic is the ukranian army fund re conquest up the south and is russia wants to offer the ukrainians, the russian pants, but ukraine is telling them to leave the area as quickly as possible. how can they work more it's i think there's a very important psychological problem. for example, in this region of kept phone at the moment, because the longer it takes for ukraine to take back these regions, or the more these people get, we'll get used to russian occupation. of course, ukraine is telling them don't or collaborate with the russians. we will come back,

but of course, if you are a citizen of your thoughts and you're waiting for months and months and years for you to come, you have to somehow live your life or leave the reasons, leave the region. so this is what we thought also in the don bus region 8 years ago . the ukrainians couldn't take these reasons back and of course, people after some time, either they left the region or they stayed there and they somehow adapted to russian occupation till longer process. they know that this war will continue also for months. if not years, they enter. what will that make with the western solidarity for ukraine? we have to 7 countries saying that they will support ukraine as long as it takes you think that there is a unity to support ukraine or that many countries. and i'll say this is really getting difficult for us as well. i think still half unity at the moment, but the closer winter comes, the more urgent the energy problems become. the louder will become cold that we

need is fire. and my concern is that at some point, moscow will play to these spheres as it does already know. and for instance, propose some kind of toxic proposal about, well, once they've occupied pet, the entirety of the region of the net to offer a ceasefire, which obviously would not be credible. cease fire from the wash inside. we know from wash us wall strategy in syria that they offer seat fires just to take a break for their own forces and come back even stronger. but the temptation will be there in the west to, to say, well, perhaps we should try to cease fire and possibly to pressure. you quain you quite as light, it's lesson from 2014 a ceasefire doesn't work. russia will come back and even worse than it has been in the past. but for the west, this will be a challenge if we see this kind of poisoned pill for moscow. roman leanna just said ukraine learned it's lesson from 2014. what about the west?

well, we're still not sure why the the lessons were properly learned because now germany, when we speak about germany, is to having a huge problem with russian guess something which morris was more it's was talking about. so the dependencies so immense over 50 percent of and german guess comes from russia. and we cannot solve this problem here in germany. fast enough and ukraine needs a germany actually to stop buying russian gas because every dollar, every euro that germany pays for. it goes then probably to russian weapons to the russian army and is then turned against a crane. so there are still lessons to be learned and quickly. i would like just a few words if i may, to the, to the people living now in the occupied territories in the south or in the east,

in the east. it's a different different story because much part of don't boss or some part of it was already occupied in 2014, but it was a 1000, it's a completely new situation and nobody knows how ukrainians living the those millions of people will react in a few months or in one year, leaving under russian occupation, i presume that as long as russia is strong and can suppress ukrainians living there and trying to oppose the new russian regime. as long as long as russia is strong, there will be probably no, no great changes there. but when russia is weakened by western sanctions, then i think an uprising is possible, but it is still too early to tell when this will happen and under which 2nd circumstances brian just mentioned the sanctions and we have all this discussion when it comes to north june 1, they have the annual maintenance, we have this turban in, in canada, they will now be sent to germany and then to russia, to activate this

a gas pipeline against you think it's credible when the west says we have the sanctions for russia. but as when they start affecting us more than we say, ok you, they're not that important anymore. well, there's a reason why there are no sanctions on gas so fine wide. there are oil sanctions that will only come into place at the end of the year. and that is exactly the dependency of the west on washing got so the idea is also when it comes to this turban, it is to make clear that a dish washer, which is cutting off the gas and that germany is not sort of, it's not, it's not the fold of the german government and this is obviously domestic communication towards the german public. if gas supply is from wash, i get further cut. it is a very we active strategy. it is not a pro active strategy of trying to push on moscow, for instance, to caps and gas prices. but it is a strategy to fill the storages and to try to out play moscow. this is why we

don't supply gas to germany anymore or to europe. i want to add one more thing to this gas question we see in germany, or how difficult the situation is concerning gas concerning the gas prices. but of course it, germany is a strong country, economically. financially. we must also look at other countries on the european union, especially in the east countries like bulgaria, who are even more dependent on russian gas and who are economically much or more weak. how will they come through this crisis? is germany can pay extra money to its citizens or to those groups off for the population? who isn't that rich? but what will bulgaria do? this is a very difficult question and the european union should address this question. now,

we only have a few minutes left. i would like to sued. if we go back to the question at the beginning, does to, to have more appetite for why i think we all agree that he has, that you will continue. how can this be stopped? what should be the signal that the west should send? now to say, this is enough. i think the west needs to get into a strategic planning when it comes to weapon deliveries and to link weapon deliveries to a clear war aid, which should be ideally on the greater scale, the pushing back russia to the pre invasion lines. but if they're smaller aims, for instance, we taking her son in the weapon delivery should be bill, it should be calibrated to what's the same rather than coming at hawk once the west has those available. so we need to teach it planning. what does it quite need in 3 months and 6 months old? so it, because domestic industries and military indices, weapon industries need to adapt to produce these amounts of munition and of weapons . how do you see it? roman, how can this hunger for more?

their putin has be stopped now, whether the signals at the west had sent well, the signal should be that the worst is ready to take pain and to help you crane. i mean, of course them by and by showing that it is ready to get rid of for russian guest supplies as soon as possible and probably sooner that were things. now at this moment, this is most important. i think i need to also continue to supply ukraine with our, with weapons, because this is the only on the on the thing that portion understands strength and strengths, means weapons and malcolms. and once again, weapons, you mentioned the strength already. is there a saw in something where you say the west really need to do that now quickly? i think the, the west should not only supply ukraine with weapons, but it should also train ukrainian soldiers in the west. and this is something that is actually happening at the moment already and the good side,

because it means that the west has a strategy and not only 4 weeks, but 4 months a good time. thank you so much more. it's liana roman also, and all of you for watching this show to that point. if you have any comments, you can leave it on her e mail for a comment on you too. thanks so much. mm . ah, with

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