rethinking the world in a more poetic way. need be artist, exclusive interview with math fantasy, no. arts, 21 on d w. if you ever have to cover up a murder, the best way is to make it look like an accident. raring to me. you've never read a book like this literature list or germany last reads. ah, ah no, you are flying. i've been thinking about the idea of flying cities for a long time is doubled. as our planet circles the sun, i own, we own it as humanity and all planetary speeds for who are travelling at

a speed of 76000 miles an hour. oh, planet idea. the idea of flying cities isn't really that utopian from a cosmic perspective. re i said if i told an astronaut about it, my he tell me what we are already flying or b. ready i thomas sarah center is art wax, explore the pressing issues of our times, reflecting on how we can live more sustainable lives and use our resources more sparingly. he's also interested in alternative means of travel, and how art can inspire us to think outside the box. and then re no, right. oh, there you go. i know with all my go

with the aunt in tinian performance and installation artist takes an interdisciplinary approach to his work and regularly cooperates with scientific research institutions. like when he launched this experiment in bolivia to test out the possibilities of emissions free air travel. ah, this is sarah santos, berlin studio where he plans and prepares his many projects. ah, ah, said asenjoe has always been fascinated by the interplay between arts and science. he studied art and architecture in argentina and then attended frankfurt stater schuler art school on a scholarship. he also took part in a nasa research project. he's become an internationally sought after artist,

in part because he's worked, ponders some of the most urgent questions we face to day, such as how can we shape our future and how much responsibility to we carry for our actions? your role connect to myself as an a 4 way who is tomas at a signal? you might as well ask me about the sum of different parts. oh, what makes some on the course i'm, they are or you that will, that life i have the feeling we, as humans grew, tend to see ourselves as extraordinary, but as little as somehow superior to other species layla. how, but in reality we struggle to forge real relationships with others, macy's autism busy, but real relationships founded on solidarity fully that are essential to our progress. but as his own lack of hinden. santa seno began experimenting with the idea of floating cities in 2011. that year he showcased his cloud cities projected by linds, hamburger bonham, if gallery this project,

like so many others, questioned the way we live as a society and envisioned new forms of human co existence and community. his berlin show featured a network of cloud like olds, that visitors could climb into. what would it be like to inhabit such a floating city, to live and work, sam? ah, what masses to cyrus n o is that we realised everything is interconnected. that way, just part of a great a. ah cynthia, does he have the feeling that all the attention afforded to him all his success and popularity goes hand in hand with a certain responsibility? when we view local macau will come busily, the co tulip allowed. if it's had

a killer portfolio, i think responsibility can mean confronting certain problems. had that americans. yeah. well they, we faced dressing issues like global warming and then the quality clinical and i mean don't know what i li, cola they see. we're lucky and, but also the extinction of certain species and people dying on this planet with whom one of them in florida, delaware, but it's okay. i don't think it is enough to seek individual answers to these issue with one of a new allowed follow that we need global, all encompassing, and certainly some we cast as he will pull up. that's why i'm always looking to forge new alliances. adopt new perspectives, and take new steps that can bring about the changes our planet desperately needs can appoint you al alan campbell kalia leah clinton was at a bid. in autumn, 2018 santa saint o showcased his on an installation at paris is played to tokyo, contemporary aunt venue it focused on the importance of ad and how we as a species of polluting this vital element

ah, santa seno set up 76 spiderwebs to make the am more tangible as it were. spiders have inhabited the us, the hundreds of millions of years, and cheese air to spin that intricate webb's contemporary bunker and bluff way. his brighter webs were a starting point at the lad onions. i have been fascinated by them for a very long time job is that they're connected to the spider, so they are a part of their body to not. and yeah, no load either can only since a small bug is near because of the vibrations it sends through the web to the asian requests and data without the webinar. but it could neither feel nor see it's trained in all the way i get what i see it on. most spiders that make webs are blind from a different. so by creating a web,

they're essentially creating their own sensory ability. taylor, her roughly allowing them to feel the world and other species around them and we particular the installation translated, the vibrations of spite as movements into audio signals, creating a kind of a rack, nit symphony. we mean, i mean, he are tiny dust particles attract and also transformed into sounds. the more people pass through this room, the more the particles world around the spiders registered these movements and sounds, creating a form of interaction between them and the visitors. mean, ah,

and present go alex as an article la taylor in the summer and started with my obsession with spider when as him. so we set out making all kinds of them makena color let technique. we also invented a machine together with the technical university of darmstadt game. they brought my idea to life at our with like the, basically the machine uses laser signal to weave intricate, well it, so they are, they got to really tell us more complex of. mm hm. do they went oh, i mean, if we was hunter that got many academics interest center commerce leaving up until then, lucas and nobody had managed to create such a detailed map of the spider web and was aligned to the my team. and so i got invited by the massachusetts institute of technology and max planck institute, altogether to study spiderweb and their surroundings to, to better understand these greener did i think that on your plan for that than that have been been nathaniel, ah,

to us on angie's lead to long with vidas and spider webs. in recent years, they paid an important role in his art told us was exactly fascinating him about them. and when did this fascination start that on? yes or to call me says that, but i will have to go in here. what? well, oh say you work with spiders, i always say no. and the spider's work with me, you know h, as they've been here for more than 200000000 years. and so we can only learn from them and not the other way around. out, my work is almost anthropological. an attempt to reconstruct today's image of what it means to be humanly this collection of bacteria and other inhabitants. because i'm trying to redefine our relationship to those with whom we share the planet plenty to know together with natural scientists. serrano has set up his own lab in his studio in berlin to study spiders. and that behavior with

joyce may pass in latoya. can i him day? what strikes me at my studio is that many people still suffer from a rag and a phobia. isn't it a terrible fear of spiders and are in a studio oh, sap window came last week and when people visit the studio and realize that it's largely populated by spiders and spiderweb has always say, many of them grow uncomfortable for at least one foot. ah ah, we just didn't know if we kept puppies or kittens here, people would say, oh, what pretty kitty is that they don't usually do that when they see spiders and somebody yet spiders are very different. the less, you must aim, not only to differentiate between the various species, but to see what unites spiders and what separates them from one another. like with am i to discover the co relationships and synergies between species. he could buy

something when you come into an, a spider nets have a special symbolism because you see all these connections. these threads which go from one side to the other. lean yeah, by they deliver it out. so if you ask me, what fascinates me most about spiders, it's the special beauty of their web november some we represent. mm . in his installation which take up entire rims. santa senate continually plays with the patterns and shapes found in his spite as website visitors can even enter into a huge web and experienced the world from a spider's perspective. oh, jayla soda? no. nope. nope. inside. okay, with many of my work supers, i'm not thinking about the speculator toyota. i'm also not thinking about the outside world, which makes us feel foreign or different, little who can with these work, i'm trying to create something all encompassing for went to visit. so that's why i like to work with really large surfaces. anderson if you move around on one side of

this, well the people on the other side move to like walk. i say when i move around here, i cause vibrations which influenced the space journey that i did. i me and the spiders respond wish ago for maybe this will let us find a new way of communicating with one another. no, he knew it. my work is about creating these kinds of connections and got out of pal . okay. it's not just about seeing what's around us. hasn't exit like i'm in. i'm interested in interactions. it any time with him on a variety of levels and with different groups of people. oh little boy came to know what can we learn about ourselves for working with other species? and does this change the way we deal with one another? sarah center doesn't tame to definitively own so such questions. rather, he uses his arts to get people thinking in his work algorithms, visitors and to an interactive network. they see and feel the vibrations triggered by themselves and others.

when synchron employees, many different disciplines in his art astrophysics, form engineering, biology. he even explores musical composition with the help of spiders. so why is this kind of interdisciplinary work so important to handle forecast on important. talked about a few things that connects young discipline, nadia kumarelle. lisa put it out and told him, well, because it keeps opening up new world. so when you only look at a phenomenon from one perspective, you're missing out on all the other perspective. helping me as the other ways of syncing reality or thinking about it. and so it seems to me that these days, we often forget about these other realities. so hold on to prompt people to change that perspective and encourage dialogue. sarah center always presents the results of his exchanges with natural scientists and experts from a variety of disciplines. he once aunt lovers to be open to and

engage with a broad spectrum of ideas. ah one that is captured santos and his imagination is humans long held fascination with flying in from you there were ladder in our time. the dream of flight has turned into a nightmare uniform. that's due to the way we fly. it is excellent. i thought of it . the thought little flying is a total disaster because we're reliant on fossil fuels on lithium muscle, on batteries, or other kinds of raw materials. extracting each duck upon nearly their extraction, endangers the survival of many species. give it, what does it get down before we need to find new ways of making the notion of flight a possible dream? a go right north lake. then we'll look one up passing this when you

for years santa seno has been experimenting with flying arrows. solis sculptures at a variety of locations around the globe. these free floating sculptures on lifted only by the sun and carried only by the wind and enable flight without the consumption of fossil fuel. the radical concept ah, this is how thomas said, i say no, started to become interested in the possibilities of a new age. one he calls ever seen the aerial iraq. i was in thinking they must have propel. hello bulgaria. i think the term that best describes the euro we're living in now is the capitalist. i don't see nicole the age of ramp and

capitalism and sally, the whole the era seem as an epoch of home been an age which is radically different from the cabinets. holocene hey, i think i've been to the thin di ah, i've copied or say no, it doesn't toil cause i can everything that changes our habits, but not the climate claim helps to usher in a new era. the washer one we call the aero seen a policy that an aerial age and also an era in which we demonstrate awareness of one another and of the environment, africa, and work together to invent new rituals and new customs to create this iraq or 3 don't have book a home door say steender thomas said i say nos era, seen projects requires a radical re thing, canal pot dwindling natural resources, rising emissions, climate change on the extinction of many species or destroying the very basis of our life on us. but era seen places and not human beings at the center of things with protecting,

not polluting the element that keeps us alive is its main goal. a way of making amends to mother ref. well, that may sound like a utopian ideal. santa seno and his team have already proven that some of their ideas work in the real world. in argentina, the iris seen foundation team has already set several world records. among them, the 1st mand fully so left free flight with a hot air balloon. it reached a height of 272 meters covered 1.7 kilometers and was ab owen for over an hour. the teens next goal is to be able to transport several people at once, powered only by the sun's ultraviolet race and fulfilling the dream of emissions free air travel on the silhouette, electrical thought when these sculptures rise up. the 1st thing people say is that how can that be?

it's mesmerize into a magical moment. it put her, but suddenly the sculpture turned in and there's something on it that was written by another person who gave me it's like an onion. the more layers you peel away of his the more questions arise as to how these things appear. sorta ortho with co luna d nicholson. yes, we've just got back from argentina. watchable. we were working a lot with indigenous communities there when we forth is they have taken a clear stand against the colonial processes endangering their environment. and our initial thought is that there lithium mining going on in their territory at ga, argentina, sheila and bolivia board of the area where this so called white gold as being mine . he said, okay, but i thought i don't. and for every ton of lithium, we know that 2000000 liters of water are required. and there's like kind of news. there are $71.00 kilos of lithium and one tesla. again, this is an area already plagued by drought as i was act. but i really don't know if

we start to excavate lithium to satisfy the consumerism of today's capitalistic society and almost every one who lives on the edge of the cellar. the salt flat, i will die allotted. he, along with the animals and the vegetation. there, the communities who live there will be forced to leave. it doesn't want to put away school was imprint. that's why we're asking, how can we change our habits so that it doesn't lead to climate change? last october. lauren wiley has what kind of habits and rhythms does the planet desperately require to regain its equilibrium. but i'm not like anybody know of the pathetic. we can't wait for every one to agree golf tournament. air travel will have to be very different in the future. a locally wireless in the library will for lighting to allocate allocated india. santa centers project has become a global movement. artists, scientists, designers, and activists have joined the kerosene foundation that he set up. a

community has grown up. it's one that comes together and engages in making a dion of lincoln the best that i can, which will momento couldn't. but i like the thought of a community that works like a collective. i spend walking dell, although that's why we have established 2 foundation that i can ophelia pick. one of them is called a rack. filiano of lasagna is elected. unlike a ratna forbes, its members are friends to spiders, and their webs could've been it is a non profit organization that is working to save certain ecosystems, he famous and was a kind of community of friends that also exists beyond the studio. tomas, at a santa latoya foot as doyle, this community is researching how we can ensure the long term existence of certain

ecosystems and life forms know that only i say, well, i'll say no to the 2nd community that has sprung up out of the studio is called aero seen, but it's, i mean this to consists of people working in the studio as well as an ever growing impassioned community of people outside who are pursuing it as a hobby. if they are people who believe that we can change our way of life and not just by changing individual mobility, but by founding a movement for change, public um you santa center and the iris seen community have developed and explore rakitin collaboration with mit and the red cross, it enables anyone to build a floating explorer sculpture and calculate its flight paths and flight duration via esl software. each flight gathers data about air quality, temperature, and humidity, and pressure, which is fed back into the software, giving us more and more information about our planets. and what said a center cools, it's highways in the sky. like the jet stream for instance. ever seen is an open

invitation to everyone who is fighting for a future free of fossil fuels and dreaming of a new kind of boundless, borderless mobility. set of centers, slogan is from home and sapiens to homo flu, twenties. oh, glad acount goal for me aren't always means and are going dialogue or in exchange grown. and i, for example, the art involving the spiders and spiders. welders won't. i don't know if al, yeah, we have to form new alliances and new ways of working to understand our world killer. hey, the categories that existed the day tend to separate us from one another rather than to unite us cynical, moisture capacity. though it seems to me that art can help us in this process. for this, an art has this ability, this generosity, or this innocence is that the people who say no in art, you continue to search with childlike innocence and o e. and it seems to me that that is exactly what can help us to see the world with

other eyes, for latino and on saturday. fennel is continually venturing out with childlike curiosity into the world's limits. he can better understand our planet and our cosmos will happily. oh, oh lord, given his project event horizon has taken him to the goonies, salt flats. in bolivia, the artist is fascinated by the way the horizon quite literally dissolves. with in the early hours of the morning, a very thin layer of water vapor hovers above the surface of the flats. and for just a few moments, the horizon looks as if it has been erased. the surface of the earth forms a giant mira of the universe that surrounds us. busy it's

a fascinating meditative phenomenon. you can even see reflections of light emitted by the lodge magdalana clouds and neighboring universe 163000 light years away. oh, that is actually she to reception about the future. is it central significance, xyz landrum, and go? what plans does he have for his own food check replenished unit one of the impulse venue? manhood flooring was able to a 100 full co, any mas, my plans for the future are to continue working as we have done recently so day, and a fan at the same time to increasingly question the logistics of the art industry, the transport of artwork and my own mobility position, uniform and to consider alternative ways for us artists to be present as well if, if, if we become conscious of our planet and its atmosphere, then we should also start to show solidarity with all of the others on board. the

co passengers in our world blended. we need to consider how we can continue this journey together and we'll to whom, to theater. ah, ah, mass santa santa was work is opening our eyes to what's going on here. and now it's also an invitation to engage with burning questions about of teacher here for doorknob. when a brown boy been, oh, can i hope that the balloon that lifted off with 2 passengers and who he providence will soon be able to carry 3 or 4 people out? i know any, almost i will see him. and if we can already fly at an altitude of up to 272 meters for almost 2 hours. but then i hope that in the future you'll be able to travel to interview me from colombia, for example, without your having to take a plane, said the lesson, i don't know, but the journey is the destination that the journey we will often lose our way on

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