germany is developing a national security strategy for the 1st time. for critics, this is long overdue. they say that a lack of please strategic thinking is now landing germany. it all sorts of problems with dependencies on foreign hostile powers, energy and for it economy. but is jeremy serious about making a change? i'm going to talk to the women at the heart of the process. germany foreign minister, and alina bell book, and linda, bye book many thanks for joining villa. i would like to begin with the war and ukraine, which of course, is the backdrop to developing japanese new national security strategy. your russian counterpart take a level is just said that russia is expanding its focus of from doing that can live in the east because the country a to harrison and other regions in the house seems to confirm the notion that russia aiming to amex, the territory is perhaps even cut off ukraine entirely from the black sea. what's

your response to that? well the same as it had been in the last 2 months. we support ukraine not only was tele garrity not only by mentioning every day that this is a fundamental breach of international law by russia, but also with military support. so they can self defend their country and their territory and russia using every time a different argument. so this time it's because of the military support their thing, but they have been attacking key if and other parts of ukraine before. so it's just the new propaganda from the russian side. and yet your government has been accused of simply not doing enough to help you crane fight back despite promises of a turning point in germany's attitude to security. according to the keel institute, the german research institute, japanese in 6th place in delivering weapons by the united states by poland, by the u. k. canada and norway. do you believe that germany's responsibility to

ukraine is less than that of norway? well, i don't know the figures yet, they are different figures and plays if you calculate money, if you calculate the intensive for your weapon, but this is not a race of who is on which plays in a ranking. this is about a common as support from the whole international community, from nato members, states to support a ukraine. and this is why we combine our support also with others. because in some stocks, we don't have anything. for example, we're delivering together with netherlands. how with this, we are looking with some pots for munitions from others, because we don't have the correct munition. and i think this is the strength of our support, that we don't do it in difference with other states, but that we combine our support all to with, with the back filling for example, which we are supposed to go together was supposed to. i think also with regards to poland, it's important that we work together and not against each other because the big

filling from germany and poland only works if we do it together. um and this was the efforts i think we have to intensify. now the war has exposed because germany's very severe dependency on russian gas we be seeing that in particular, this very weak. when you launch the national security strategy process, you said you highlighted the issues of dependency. so i would like to look at another dependency that germany has on china for its economy. this is one that could go very wrong. people are saying now you are developing new china's trustee as part of this process. how serious are you about tackling and reducing this economic dependency on china? very serious. otherwise, it wouldn't make sense to make it just a strategy if you're not serious about trinity's shouldn't do one. so this is why we're looking intensively about our dependencies. but if we see also with russia, some things you cannot cut from one day to the other. and there are similar questions for many european countries. for example,

if we are going correctly now to electric cars to be in line with our climate to guilt, we need obviously, batteries. we don't have a better reproduction as we need for an extra cost. and we are starting one. but all the materials which are in the batteries, we have a dependency of 98 percent discount for all the cars in europe. so this is why our china strategy is also not an isolated german one. but because we an integrated internal market, we're doing it in line with our european partners with the commission. with also made very clear that china is not only a competitor in some of the economy question. it's all to partner fighting in the climate crisis, but also system rival and because it's a system, right? well, we have to make clear that and nobody can black my last as we were with regard our dependency to, to russia. and this is the baseline for new china as strategy working together,

where we can work together. but having also a sovereign european affinity of independence in critical infrastructure. and especially in line with our foreign policy. what will lead to pick up on cars you mentioned to industry was pointing to germany. now. volkswagen has no few. the $33.00 joint venture factories in china, b, m w just started production as a new one last month. mercedes has even got a new research and development center in china. it's too large of the shareholders from china. what happens to all of these investment if china se invades taiwan? well, 1st of all, this is what we have to prevent and this is why it's so important that the whole international community in line with the united nations general assembly, saying that this is fundamental breach of international law by russia against ukraine cannot be tolerated because otherwise it would be in invitation to other

countries like china, to also inmates to type on other countries who think they are bigger neighbor of smaller countries. secondly, we have to be prepared. we see it, as i said already before with regard to dependency in russia. but i would like to underline, even though we had this dependency, even though for example myself, i've been always very critical with regard to not cheap. but even though we had this strong times economic, why we took this sanctions, we are taking right now. and this is something where i would like to underline off with regard to try no other parts of the world, economic interests and values. and no differences puts off a point they are part of the same coin. because it's also in the interest of the german economy as well as in the european interest that other companies, countries and also other companies have to be in line with our standards and values

. and this is why we have this strong discussion about dependency olds and the cost of production side. if you had mentioned with regard to china and very senior germans in the european union, nicola vice president, the parliament has been in taiwan this week to support that trip. while you want to nail down? no, i'm single issues on the high iran i've just been in the region myself. i've been in japan. i've discussed the, with the japanese with the american friends over there where different they're both aligning also in the industry of, of taylor. and so obviously this is one of the very vulnerable parts of our security strategy of our french, the, in the regions. and it's also in our own security interest, and this is why we have all the different relationships we have fault and friendship proven in the german bonus talk, which i've been a member of the pasta myself. so this is a common german and also common use finity and we have seen also was less rainy.

for example, when there was pressure because of the term on issue. how important it is that the countries been united to together. but do you support it? i didn't even know that she was the, i'm sorry, i cannot because it could comment on every trip. okay. but do you think it's in principle good for people of that stature while traveling is always good. the coalition agreement frames this hero of one of the strategic rivalry. and you mentioned that with, with respect to, to china already and a strategic competition between democracies on one hand and autocracy like china and russia. on the other hand, at the moment, this is really playing out very much on the african continent. we can see, based in china, huge investment and infrastructure that we can see that in russian mercenaries going into molly and crowding out german forces in marley. can you understand people on the african continent, maybe not being too happy about their continent being used as

a sort of battle field between the great powers of the world. yes, definitely no place on earth should be a battlefield to father power. but what we are seeing that is in the stomach contest being played out between the united states, between the europeans, between the russians, between the chinese is this not the case. and germany is playing a part in that. with that, we're beginning to see that also with, with the european union's new investment plan. now because we have a totally different approach, then china also russia in this regard, we don't go to countries where we are not being in invited except in cases we have funded mental a breach of international law. and for example, the question with regard to genocide to other forms, but this is been up to the united nation to call on the international support we have seen in the past. so many countries in africa. so many countries also small, small licenses who say we want the investment with regard to climate change energy

transitions. and the question is, what kind of agreements we are making? and i think it's like from i to i, this is not, we are coming and looking down. this is cooperation investment. this is a big moment for japanese never had a national security strategy. it's been criticism of germany in the past. been complaints and being naive. what kind of a germany do you want to see emerge from this cut prices? what do you want to be the headlines about germany's position on national security going forward? i am the lucky person. 40 year old that i can, lou had, could live my whole life in peace. because foreign policy in germany was successful in building trust with our neighbors. after the horrible times of the 2nd world war that we could build together. and my country would have been never united again, if there wouldn't be in the european integration process. so the biggest security

for germany has been the european integration process. and now it's time to give this back to our friends and partner with in europe that a strong and a careful but also germany which takes up its responsibility. infidelity with our partners, guarantees the peace project for europe. and this is the bottom line for security strategy. and this is why we have changed, for example, our defense policy. but living in peace is more than a defense. it's more than diplomacy. it's also in showing our democracy via, for example, intensifying our defense was regards to the digital world with regard to fake news or securing we have the hottest they ever to day here in my home town, hanover, 40 degrees in summer and southern europe is burning. so this is

a 3rd part of our and national security strategy. this is security with regard to our livelihoods and the biggest threat, the climate crisis. alina babel, thank you very much for speak to d, w to say, thanks a lot of the best. ah oh ah ah ah with ah

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