ah ah ah ah, well come to the 77 percent street debate, damn ones, gold iron or you name it, sarah leon's got it. 20 years after the civil war, the west african country is no longer ruled by country damn ones. but does the modern day mineral sector really benefit the people of sierra leone?

edith kamani had still quite a town in the down one which corner district to find out this week on the 77 percent st debate. we can see that human rights violations are still occurring. children are still being forced into these sites. do we give up? who do we sit down with should be left untouched. we often minded them all their government agents that are supposed to be protect, protecting, supposed to be challenging the companies to deliver dark lighting, including introducing pressure ah, hello, and welcome back to the 77 percent. the show for africa youth. this week, we are in quite doing this, a thoroughly yawns, rich mining district. and in this country you will find literally anything from coulton to ion or, and dian ones, but it is extracted and very quickly exported. and so we want to find out those

exports, translating to weld for the young people who live here, who better to answer this question for me than fellow serial unions. and we're going to begin with abraham. and i just want to get an overview from you because of often i did say that, you know, had it said that minerals and rich, his natural riches, particularly for africa, can be occurs. what do you think of this as it occurs? well, i think very contrary, ah middle cannot be a course, and dominance are meant for beneficial. amen. for development pupils, it's all depend on the type of talent people have in the given sovereignty. let me hear from e a. here he is a student, but he was also mining and in the mines from a very young age at 14, from on story. when i was 14 years old, i was going to school, i was out there a gina 2nd i school and say leon, also giving this kind of support from a real it's, he's almost been, we've been in it of course to see how we can get our livelihood, it was very difficult, very challenging because as a young boy, i'll skip school by then to go to the mines. the give support because that was the

only source of live you we had in even on. so that's i be alex kept up at gl, appealed not a falling out of school because a lot of colleagues whom we, we and that's filled with whom i started school and we, because of mine and activities. and because of your, the fact of mine in activities that we only before education to be a good number of them are dropouts. so if we look at the impacts of them of mine and to use your in the wider population, cillian for me, it is much of course because we are not getting the kind of given him, we're not getting the kind of forfeits. okay. and by the way, we should mention that where we are right now is a big mine that operates just beyond this mound. and what we're seeing is a byproduct of that blasting rocks which are then put crushed into smaller pieces by the women we're seeing in the background to then be sold to construction workers . so i'd like to hear from the mayor, because we've heard that this region, despite its riches, is not reflective of the diamonds and the gold that's coming out of this region. so i'm wondering why you are right. there is

a lecture law said electro resources we have, you cannot actually tell whether the diamonds, the goals, or i'm in your us extracting from corner where the actually, this is a place we are, those me near us are both on the contrary to say, mineral or deimos or whatever i mean, or are given or is it cause is not a cause. the availability of the natural resources has into the, is not a problem. it is a proper utilization of amino resources that are the problem, policies around instruction of minerals. these are the problem is if we have a good gov on our system or system put in place how to extract an even if they say we pulled together when to bring those a machines, those technologies, how to transform those raw materials here into a finished product. actually let me, let me, let me just bring in slime on here because you spoke of policy and he is from the

national mining agency, the body that is supposed to enforce policy and also created around the extractive industry. so is it right? but the may a thing that we just have a lack of that leadership from national level that she, i can show you our form now from 2018 that the willingness is clear. now what's the address is, is, is, is focusing on mili, is to see the committees we are des moines where the mirrors are coming from. the benefit from the so give ensure that the committees to sign the committee room argument with the communities. so that at the end of every year, the gross and revenues, some positive competence committee to have the committees that these with this wants to ensure that projects are been implemented, lima, hold on a. is there any disagreeing with you? yes. and if we look at what mining companies are getting from, cannot dispute from the mining that you are doing? and we compare it to the impact in the communities, it is not common. sure, it's even a community development agreement. i'd say the sign widows communi is the amount

that is, gets him back to this community is it can only take more tangible development projects. look at the community, for example. we have a close on community, which is a located community which is say, a settlement. this community lacks water, they are not even access. we like the city and they are very close. that is mining company. so what are we talking about in sense of community benefits and from the mining? what does the sierra leonean government see about who minds where they're allowed to mind? how much comes back into the community? water that's from them every, i know what it, what this, these settlements the idea of this you have a years that a little hot water where every day, every now and then this will groups, we will tell the pool. this is the problem of the people is the problem people. so it's ongoing, it's going to address most of the seizures. we know the, the issues the, the maze raising his hand on that side. but i want to hear from mary for a 2nd because you grew up in a place that has been mining for a really long time. in fact,

some of the earliest time was discovered where you grew up. did you see this reflected as you were growing up? you know that? yes, we have good agreements with oh, you're really shaking your head. no. okay, go ahead. tell me. before this time i think the i was a better system in place. many people benefited from me before even we, we are born. i think we had of the benefits that our home parents, while grandparents we are benefiting. so for the fact that m m mining or diamond as a resource is i me as a resource, been a cost to us. i personally disagreed with that foster fall because god cannot bless you. and in tom ca see again, it is sweeter individuals. it is, we're, the leaders are lead us of beer. what actually i did doing in our that's will see that the, the, the, i to bill are yet on bond bit. are benefiting or there will be benefited from these . my main accompanies odd from these resources. all right,

i want to come to patrick here because he's actually wearing a shirt that says, ethical minerals. and what a mary has touched on is really important that previously there was a system that worked for everyone. but of course the war came, and so the term blood dam one and conflict diamond arose, to what extent did the, what change and shift the way people think about extractive in this country. before the war came, i believed arianna's says nadia. well, now you have the awareness read, the youth are coming up to we are, we went to school, we really, we, i'd call her to go to school. so now daughtry, i'm going to go to school. you want to see that, that the, for as little, if you calmly comes to do this, necessary needs for the community. ok for them to all right, let me speak to isa here for a 2nd because we're hearing that look, the policies are amazing. is just the implementation that sucks and i've had big company is being named here, but you as a small skill minor or you one of the people who is deterring development from

happening perhaps because of bad employment practices. you know, i deal with a lot of people are almost 50 minus people working for me under daily circumstances . they've got kids that cannot even feed. they've got kids, they cannot even take to the hospitals. they sleep in houses where in the cramps and crowded with no mattresses, whatsoever they slip on the floors. and surely melissa is not because you're not paying the miller now. we pay ram when i got her as an example. i'm not sure if i'm supposed to say we were paying the miners 70 percent poverty. i thought i was on enough. we pay room a dollar. and when the diamond comes out, it's the phase. they tell us how much the ones for it and we negotiate. so we actually support them to make sure they can get on the field and work. i want to come back to a for a 2nd because i want to understand, you know, i think for people who don't leave will come from places where their minds, the imagination is that you come in, you mind for 2 days. you get a diamond that's about 50 carrot and then your life is set. but what's the reality? well, the reality it is on to spears. for example,

if you do not to settle mine in previously, like a about, so he decayed siegel. some people will see by then i was very young in b b, i was not even born to the k p ticket sequel. they will say like to leave the house, but at the i will leave the at the appearance or wives or mency. let me go to the mines in grants, examining, come by looking at the train. now for the past, they are one decade now that us change eventually on average, how long would in a to slow might not be at the mines before they're able to extract something meaningful to the awesome people. if you ask them from stories to tell you that i've been mine and for the past 3 years, and i've not gotten a single dowman, some people to love mine for about 3 years. the diamonds i've gotten from the mines, it is only was about $50.00. okay. let me hear from penndot. it's here because he's actually a very busy man. i was looking to him earlier, but he's actually embroiled in apes, lawsuits active against big mining companies because of various reasons. so is what we're hearing from a reflective of what you're seeing in your profession, that it's the big mining companies, we're making it big. whereas the communities are basically going with nothing. our

cameras was really a strict to stick to these matters because they are subject to you decide proceedings. but i would just refer to the fact that i've been, i've been out of disability communities are calling out unseen. we've been oppressed, we've been abused by mining companies, and they are not respecting the laws and policies as articulated by the leadership of this country. what most worrying does not companies be of your that is worrying to the communities? is their leadership attitude towards the oppression cause of pressure on alex british or that is what, what is it where we consult with them in timber is what they always raised under problem. we have also is that if that is the persistent matter darby dick to court on, in the circumstances the, the communities are seeing instead, our lead us side. we toss the aside, we the company. let me go to the leader that we have here. the mayor uni. i was coming for you that so you're laughing us the, we're hearing that when people come to you and say, hey, these guys the here, they're doing one to 3 to us. you're really not caring about it. your. you're more

concern about the investment rather than the welfare of the people in your community, true or false? well, when you look at in mining policies in this country, what it is not done at the local level, our parliament in this country, they formulate those policies are, there are legislative level the leadership i have like the local council level of leadership. if he acts me, i think i was done with the people the v of the people. because imagine myself as a male when we meet at some quite us or the people who say the mail for me, minute, rich, and all community. and he has a lot of money to capitalize a lot of money by to surprise you to know that to him. since i have became a male 2018, lo receive a $10000.00 cash from any mine in process, in this particular community. but give me a 2nd, let me come to solomon. how is that possible given that the act is very,

very clear. one percent of proceeds from mining companies should come back to the communities where the percentages and of static. it depends on the company. and i would like in quote, in karate street, we have 5 large killer mining companies, but only to our productive. now, for every stage, every step, one, antique, we have the consultants, we call them, they do every major regime bug assessment to see what we're and this affects the committee. if we sent them to the company quarterly, we have the master, i'm jasa. jesse bought the comb inspection, they see what's on what is, is not going writes the company they gave exactly picture we are the are and then we are going to under we are, we are the are from and then we are, you are going to now, okay, let me hear from benedict is i think erm the point in slow man is blueprints. now reflects our, our communities who are fighting against oppression,

attitudes of government and political leaders, so that the government agents that are supposed to be protect, protecting, supposed to be challenging the companies to deliver to the community. they have been indicted by our communities that they are colliding. how could nudin include his oppression? is a serious issue. is a security issue. and you look around here, these are the people who own the lands we are, the demos are made. did we reduce to the or to level of coverage, milo 00 poverty level. instead of having their children go to school, go to universities with 2 hospitals. you have good infrastructure. again, children below 10 years, a smashing stones dog from the robbers of the diamond, meaning of the junior young type. one of the best quality demos in the world. and he cannot see. it is not accounted for. no one knows what is taking there every day . let me ask him, ask him that course, let me ask, let him declare to the people. so because i know you did say that to be fair, that the percentages are not static,

but are you able to track and trace how much is being extract, okay? now we are seeing an enemy has a mines compliance officers inside there. they walk on shift bases. what's the mainly the company gets the package. everything the same, the seal, it's the issue that has been seen and then kept in into a say, yeah, every on the on, on piece of business. so in the last year or so, based on what the me a saying, you want to tell me that what has been exported. one percent of it does not amount to $10000.00. the enemy calculates what we were doing with it. and then the have, the percentage you went to play was in that comes back to the committee for which the city says they've got the accounts. there's a dozen one as of they're not given into, they're not being sent into the pharmacy circuit. the of the cdc, the committee company, the committee, i'm a committee hug. i work out. we insured up before he started. he's of the money the i did you 5 projects for wish he wants implements. ok. we want to projects have

been i, i mean, i'm sure that is beyond your scope, but i'm just trying to put a lot of if you put money into an account and you never see the result. why keep the money into the account until now? do with these certainly scoop it to the great schools and provide schools and then there are 2 ongoing projects. one, it has was easy as the article msi on the stuff was i submitted. i want to come to you say here for a 2nd because you've recently returned our from living abroad. have you seen any dramatic changes since you've been away? i think her, to be honest. a syrian is the only place you come back, so you never get lost because everything remains the same. whether it's in free town, it's in boss. so there has been no changes whatsoever. you know, the question would be, is them on the fleet that's going to bring that change for me? i'll send now because we've seen over a century, perhaps their van dam on has made very little little impact. we see other countries

like the gambia synagogue, they've got no diamonds whatsoever. as a matter of fact, they got peanuts. so for me, i don't know the answer to syrians problem is minerals and yet you're in the business. i'm in the business because i see there is a bit of an opportunity that i can make changes in people's lives. i help communities or support people. i spend money on a daily basis or employ people direct employment. as a matter of fact, i've got close contact with people in governance and what they say is we need people like either the mccain, direct investment, direct employment. so i'm happy to be back home, doing whatever little i can do. i see a lot of experts around me to know what's going on there. know what the problems are. maybe they need to be engaged a lot more. maybe there's that sense of responsibility by everyone to make sure we can all make an impact. all right, unfortunately is the has to leave because he's a busy man, he's going to hell. dimas, like i do have the panel here, let me say to the last comment. it, the other gentleman said about damn, was done with another damn. what is an answer? it's not really before you call me or google demos in saloon. i saw

a blood de moines, i saw a day monster wreck in lives of people. i did the same demos was on it. i saw diamonds lifting, transforming botswana. i saw the policy in botswana instead of harvey oc domain in a company register in virgin islands, only a 100 percent of london men in c as in saloon until november. it's an october demos of saloon, italy presiding over the welto saloon diamonds. bizarre said, no, we have what we call de swanner. that is the beer and bo swanner the state owns the mining company that mines on police demos. it was well, i guess what, on the records, 80 percent of the proceeds of the diamonds. it was on a goes to stick or for us, and guess what? all of that goes to schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure. okay. i want to hear from every human air for a 2nd out because,

you know, as everybody is speaking, i'm wondering, you're the people who are living in these communities. why not take these companies and sue them? why not protest? why not demand more from your government? honestly, kona was a 100 percent destroyed during the civil war. this was the central yes, as of the war, probably for the diamonds. but we've also recovered 80 percent because of the diamonds, the small mines and the other things. and are we are progressing. we are competing with other places like mckinney bought the milk artist. i can't allow you to continue with your thought knowing full well that this gentleman standing next to you was forced out of school because he was actually a child in the my yes. how, how i believed him of what up when i was shot. so we want to go, then we presume that diamonds are suddenly now a blessing. when we can see that human rights violations are still occurring, children are still being forced into these sites. yes. dost makes me my, my work more relevant in as much as i was nearly killed in one of those demonstrations the, like,

are test. i have my testimonies and i saw nobody wallison or jesse and a lot of places are. yeah. you were saying a demonstration kind of situation. do we give up? who do we said that most should be left untouched? we have to mind demos, let's move to other factors. you know, because these direct impact an indirect. but to me, i want to hear back from you the women in these communities, most of them displeased because their land is used for mining. and then they find themselves internally displaced because they can't afford to buy land. they're not allowed to in some cases. tell me about that. really before this time, i am a we men, we are not allowed to own land. and at these land i be regulated by b clarity's cheese and not us. so i'm for the women, as you can see the are software because they cannot have access to lance. and of course, those that big, those that are being set to there we are haven't backyard guardians, india, the, our previous homes. but mouse, these, these, that cement as thick in place,

those areas that they used to do the backyard garden in order to, to sustain that themselves with our children. i know more, you know, in as distance they did the company in about give it to them, and i want to hear from benedict. how difficult or easy is it to then take some of these companies to court? because, you know, if i say i used to have 2 plots, and now you've given me a half of what i had, what's the procedure? because we're in court and we are really getting these matters on a new we new fi business. i mean, we did not have the legal fees to pay, didn't look they can't afford cost of lawyers to let, to get rid of. and on you can tell you what's inside the company's. they have tons of demos, there are tons of money on accounted for, so they can put it on hold. but often as we didn't have that report does, this matters. and it is not a heating secret. it is not rocket science to look at the people you corner and see mining companies. you have not lived up to expectations. so i'm,

i will be challenging the mirrors and disappear german are very corner to come out and shall end up on a bunch of angelina just called us or say, listen, we can be petoskey bush. we are presented over debris where you're presided over poverty. yet in the midst of wealth and another challenge that comes from mining, of course you're dealing with ethical minerals. i said earlier, what are some of the implications of these extractive practices, if you can even call them that? well, i receive the implications like if this big company that are coming into the community, likely now the used to serve machine is the context of vito, the just man dandy lived the whole like that. then i believe if delivery like that for the future generations will house like now you measure culture, they would have some some yachts would do the i cultural because the whole the pit is left open. okay. slam, and i like the fact that you're raising your hand because i wanted to ask, what is it? and it may say about this. so we told him after many,

you will clearly learn because of so many does the order use of learn. so what you're saying is that companies are compelled, or they're supposed to. yes, we're poor still opposed to her. it's in my experience, is that fair? the enemy and the p. alice. i lived in love in sense of visual and protection of the environment. because if we look at the, on the protection agency to be fair, they've been trying to plant trees, they're doing their best to recover and reclaim some of the land. we are the trees that the up lansing, the fees on the growing. these are the uplands yellow, even looking after the trees. for me, most of institute is that she shows up a man in the affairs of the environment. i just believe her lip service for the people. so we've had quite a myriad of challenges related to both large scale and small scale mining, particularly in this region. and now i want to find out for my panelists, how do we move forward? do you know as a sun sets down? i want to hear what we can do to change the situation because expect listed for decades. maybe you have something to say to me, all these issues that we have dealt with and we have a we forward. how cool do the,

the top management has to change their attitude, especially in the a of this mining companies we are seen, deceased them. i'm the policies that are already in place should be implemented. we should stop saying them less. implementing and of course are regarding women. we have several structures in place. we want this a m, m. stone cautious. we men, we have them as an association, so these blog, chas, i'm, if we want to empower them. there are several other ways, maybe in agriculture. we can bring up either catch up bro, i mean programs and we subscribe them so. so that's how we got our program flow empowering women creating skills for them to use for their most if all gone or it's ever him any solutions for me. yes, that's 1020 percent of old was coming from the mice will go to the women and the children. okay. for decay, sean, for brilliant students and their community supports. does anybody else have a solution that we haven't heard yet? i think the government central government must realise and must understand that it

is the future of the children that has been put in your body for the from the mains . and the government has a single artist with civility. if you want to do it, they can do it next to will already gave into it to t. the excuses, the, the, the, the, the structural adjustments, the reliance on $40.00 only when i move does not need this not necessary if the gun really utilized the resources that are coming here. and like i said to the enemy, a gentleman, we don't know what comes there every day. even if this it is new, they are not publishing it. so how can we clim to amp a central the trip? i think that's agreed into fossil is how would you calculate 100 percent of a lot rate nothing. so the goldman was be transparent, accountable and development must not be particularly political issue. once you own government, you have government for everybody. okay. well, at the beginning of this debate, i asked if the riches that i found largely under ground in this country present

a curse or not to the economy and the people of this region. what i've heard in a resounding way is that no, they're not. it's simply how they're handled or mishandled. i don't know what your viewpoint is, but thank you for watching. thank you indeed for that important conversation. and thank you for watching. we've come to the end of the show, but not before we give to amuse the call, treat enjoy. ah, ah ah, with

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