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edith kimani had still quite a town in the down one which corner district to find out this week on the 77 percent st debate. we can see that human rights violations are still occurring. children are still being forced into these sites. do we give up? who do we sit down more should be left untouched. we often minded them on the government ages that are supposed to be protect, restricting supposed to be challenging the companies to deliver the arc lighting, including entities or pressure ah, hello, and welcome back to the 77 percent. the show for africa youth this week, we are in coy doing this, the thoroughly yawns, rich mining district. and in this country you will find literally anything from coulton to ion or, and dian was, but it is extracted and very quickly exported. and so today we want to find out

those exports translating to wilt for the young people who live here, who better to answer this question for me than fellow sierra leonean. and we're going to begin with abraham. and i just want to get an overview from you because of often i did say that, you know, had it said that minerals and rich, his natural riches, particularly for africa, can be occurs. what do you think of this as it occurs? well, i think very contrary, ah middle cannot be a course, and dominance are meant for beneficial. amen for development propos, it's all depend on the type of talent people have in the given sovereignty. let me hear from a i hear he is a student, but he was also mining and in the mines from a very young age. at 14, from on story. when i was 14 years old, i was going to school. i was on a, a genius economy school in say, leon alpha given this kind of support from a real it's, he's almost been, we've been in love horses here. we can get our live lute. it was very difficult, very challenging because as a young boy out of skipped school by dana to go to the mines, the give support because those roles of live you, we had in, even on that i be,

alex kept up article appealed, not a falling out of school because a lot of colleagues whom we, we and that stayed with whom i started schooling with because of mining activities . and because of, you know, the effects of men in activities that we are able to afford the education to be a good number of them are dropouts. so if we look at the impact of them of mine and to use jo in the white population saloon for me, it is much of course because we are not gets in the cannot deviate him. we are not getting the kind of profits. okay. and by the way, we should mention that where we are right now is a big mine that operates just beyond this mound. and what we're seeing is a byproduct of that blasting rocks which are then crushed into smaller pieces by the women we're seeing in the background to then be sold to construction workers. so i'd like to hear from the mayor because we've heard that this region, despite its riches, is not reflective of the diamonds and the gold that's coming out of this region. so i'm wondering why you are right on the reflection of electro resources we have. you

cannot actually tell whether the diamonds, the goals, or i'm in eros extracting from cornwall, where the actually, this is a place we are, those me near us are both on the contrary to a se, amira or deimos or whatever i mean, or are given or is it cause is not a cause. the availability of the natural resources has it is not a problem. it is a proper utilization of immuno resources that are the problem. policies around a struction of mirrors. these are the problem is if we have a good govern, our system will system put in place how to extract on, even if they say we policy go, we'll still bring those a machines, those technologies, how to transform those raw materials here into a finished product after i let, let me, let me, let me just bring in slime on here because you spoke of policy and he is from the national mining agency, the body that is supposed to enforce policy and also created around the extractive

industry. so isn't right, but the me a saying that we just have a lack of that leadership from national level that she, i can show you our form now from 20 it in that the willingness is clear. now what's the is, is, is, is, is focusing on mili is to see the committees we are these and where does many of those are coming from the benefit from the. so given sure that the committees to say in the committee room arguments with the communities. so the, at the end of every year, the gross and revenues, somebody comp actually committed to have the committees that these with this wants to see and show that projects are been implemented in hold on a is the ready disagreeing with you? yes. and if you look at what mining companies are getting from, cannot dispute from the meanings that we are doing? and we compare it to the impact in the community. it is not common. sure, it's even a community development agreement. i'd say to assign videos communities the am that

is getting back to this community is it can only take more tangible development projects. look at the community. for example. we have a close one community, which is a located community, which is say, a settlement this community locks water. they are not even access felicity and their vehicles that is mining company. so what are we talking about and sense of community benefit from the mining? what does the sierra leonean government see about who mines, where they're allowed to mind? how much comes back into the community? water that's from them every year. know what it, what this, these settlements. the idea of is you have a years that little have water where every day we learned in this we're was groups . we, we tell the pool, this is the problem of the people is the problem people. so it's ongoing, it's going to address most of the seizures. we know the issues the, the mays raising his hand on that side. but i want to hear from mary for a 2nd because you grew up in a place that has been mining for a really long time. in fact, some of the earliest dime ones were discovered where you grew up. did you see this

reflected as you are growing up? you know that? yes, we have good agreements with that. oh, you're really shaking your head. no. okay, go ahead. tell me. before this time i think there was a better system in place. many people benefited from me before even we, we are born. i think we had of the benefits that out home parents while grandparents we are benefiting. so for the fact that m. m. miami or diamond as a resources, i mean as a resource, been a cost to us. i personally disagreed with that foster fall because god cannot bless you. and in tom ca see again, it is sweeter individuals. it is weird, a lead us our lead us a beer. what actually i did doing in our that's will see that the, the actually i yet on bond bit are benefiting or there will be benefited from these . my main accompanies on from these resources. all right. i want to come to patrick here. she's actually wearing a shirt that says, ethical minerals. and what

a mary has touched on is really important that previously there was a system that worked for everyone. but of course the war came. and so the term blood dam one and conflict diamond arose, to what extent did the, what change and shift the way people think about extractive in this country. before the war came, i believed i, we honest no, dear born. now you have the awareness, reduce our community to we are went to school. we really we, i had cobra to go to school. so now daughtry, i'm going to go to school. you want to see that, that being for as little, if you calmly comes to do this, necessary needs for the community, okay, for them to all right, let me speak to isa here for a 2nd because we are hearing that, look, the policies are amazing. is that the implementation that sucks, and i've had big companies being named here, but you as a small scale minor, are you one of the people who is deterring development from happening perhaps because of bad employment practices?

you know, i deal with a lot of people are almost 50 minus people working for me under daily circumstances . they've got kids that cannot even feed. they've got kids that cannot even take all the hospitals. they sleep in houses where in the cramps and crowded with no mattresses, whatsoever they sleep on the floors. and surely melissa is not because you're not paying them. you know, now we pay ram when i got her as an example. i'm not sure if i'm supposed to say we're, we're paying the miles 70 st. paul very. i thought i was and enough we pay room a dollar. and when did arman comes out, it's the phase. they tell us how much they want for it and we negotiate. so we actually support them to make sure they can get on the field and what i want to come back to a for a 2nd, because i want to understand, you know, i think for people who don't leave will come from places where their minds, the imagination is that you come in, you mind for 2 days, you get a dime one that's about 50 carrot and then your life is set. but what's the reality? well the reality it is on to spears, for example, if you're doing not to sell mine and previously, like a about swarthy,

decayed siegel. some people will see. but in i was very young. in b, b, i was not even born to the kid pd kids. he go, they'll say like to leave the house by the olivia, your parents, or wives or mincie. let me go to the mines in grants, examining. com. we're looking at a trend now for the past. they're one decade now that us change eventually on average, how long would a notice know, might not be at the mines before they're able to extract something meaningful to the awesome people. if you expand from stories to tell you that i've been minded for the past 3 years, and i've not gotten a single dowman, some people to love a minute for about 3 years, the dominance i've gotten from the minds. it is only was about $50.00. okay. let me hear from ben, it's here because he's actually a very busy man. i was looking to him earlier, but he's actually a embroiled in apes, lawsuits active against big mining companies because of various reasons. so is what we're hearing from a reflective of what you're seeing in your profession. that it's the big mining companies were making it big, whereas the communities are basically going with nothing. our cameras was really

a strict to these matters because they are subject to decide proceedings, but i would just refer to the fact that i've been arising out what is the beauty of communities are calling out unseen. we've been oppressed, we've been abused by mining companies, and they are not respecting the laws and policies us articulated by the leadership of this country. what most warry does not become misbehavior that is warring to the communities is their leadership attitude towards the oppression of pressure and alex british or that is what, what is it where we consult with them in jim bud is what the always read under problem. we have also, he's got if that is the persistent motto, darby dick, to quote on, in the circumstances the communities are seen. instead, our lead us side. we toss the aside with the company. let me go to the leader that we have here, the mayor that you knew was coming for you that so you're laughing as the we're hearing that when people come to you and say, hey, these guys are here, they're doing $1.00 to $3.00 to us. you're really not carrying about it your you're more concerned about the investment rather than the welfare of the people in your

community. true or false? well, when you look at mine in policies in this country, what it is not done at the local level, our parliament in this country, they formulate those policies. are there legislative level, the leadership i have like the local council level of leadership. if he acts me, i think i will stand with the people, the v of the people. because imagine it myself as a male when we meet at some quite us. or people will say the mail for me, my in your reach in a community. and he has a lot of money because he has a lot of money by to surprise you to know that to him. since i have became a male 2018, lo receive a $10000.00 cash from and me mine in bruises in this particular community. but give me a 2nd, let me come to the layman. how is that possible given that the act is very, very clear,

one percent of proceeds from mining companies should come back to the communities where the percentages and static. it depends on the company. and i would like in quote, in karate street, we have 5 large kidney companies, but only 2 are productive now. for every stage, every step one eltic, they have their consultants, they call them, they do every month regime park assessment to see what were on this effect committee. if we sent them to the company quarterly, we have the most ramirez agency bought the comb inspection. they see what on what it is now when rights become new, they give exactly picture we are the are and then we are going to under we are, we are the are from and, and we are going to now, okay, let me hear from penndot it's, it's i think erm the point in a slow man is to bring to market, reflects, or our communities who are fighting against pressure, the attitude of government and political leaders so that the government agents that

are supposed to be protect, protecting, supposed to be challenging the companies to deliver to the community they have been indicted by our communities, daddy, our crew lighting aqua looting into this operation is a serious issue, is a security issue. and you look out here, these are the people who own the lance. we are the demos are made. did we reduce to the or to level of poverty, milo 00 poverty level. instead of having their children go to school, go to universities. were 2 hospitals. you have good infrastructure. look again. you went below 10 years. yeah. a smashing stones dog from the robbers of the diamond, meaning of the genario type. one of the best quality demos in the world. and you cannot see, it is not accounted for. no one knows what is sticking there every day. let me ask you ask him, doctors, let me ask, let him declare to the people. so because i know you did say that to be fair, that the percentages are not static, but are you able to track and trace how much is being extract?

okay, now we are seeing an enemy has a mines compliance officers inside there. they walk on fishing bases. what's the mainly the company gets the package, everything they signed the seats, the ensure that it has been seen and then kept in into a safe. yeah. every on it on, on piece of business. so in the last year or so based on what the me a saying, you want to tell me that what has been exported. one percent of it does not amount to $10000.00. the enemy calculates what the way we're doing with it. and then the have the percentage you're going to play was in that comes back to the committee for which the city says they've got the accounts. there's a dozen one as of they're not given into donald vincent into the pharmacy suck out of the cdc, the committee company, the committee. i'm a committee hug i work out we and showed up before the start of ease of the money. the identify projects for wish the once implements. okay. what projects have been,

i, i mean, i'm sure that is beyond your scope, but i'm just trying to put a lot of if you put money into an account and you never see the result, why keep the money into the account that weren't until now? did these signal is good to to go schools and the price will and then the arch ongoing projects. one i heard was the, the us, the i, the committee on the software. those will be to, i want to come to isa here for a 2nd because you've recently returned al, from living abroad. have you seen any dramatic changes since you've been away? i think her, to be honest. i, syrian is the only place you come back. so you never get lost because everything remains the same. whether it's in free town, it's in boss. so there has been no changes whatsoever. you know the question would be, is them on the fleet that's going to bring that change for me? i'll send now because we've seen over am for century, perhaps their van diamond is made very low. it little impacts. we see other countries like the gambia synagogue, they've got no diamonds whatsoever. as

a matter of fact, they got peanuts. so for me, i don't know the answer to syrians problem is minerals and yet you're in the business, i'm in the business because i see there is a bit of an opportunity that i can make changes in people's lives. i help communities, i support people, i spend money on a daily basis. our employ people direct employment. as a matter of fact, i've got close contact with people in governance. and what they say is we need people like either the mccain, direct investment, direct employment. so i'm happy to be back home doing whatever little i can do. i see a lot of experts around me to know what's going on down or what the problems are. maybe they need to be engaged a lot more. maybe there's that sense of responsibility by everyone to make sure we can harm or make an impact. all right, unfortunately is the has to leave because he's a busy man, he's going to hell, dimas, and he's do have the panel here. let me say to the last comment it the other gentleman said about damn was zenato nozer. damn. what is an answer? it's not valuable for you call me. i go demos in saloon. i saw blood diamonds. i

saw a diamond say, reckon lives of people. i did the same demo supersonic i saw diamonds lifting, transforming botswana. i saw the policy in botswana instead of having octo mining a company registered in virgin islands owning 100 percent of london mining c. as in saloon and ticket of an inch on october, diamonds of saloon, dudley presiding over the welto saloon diamonds. bizarre said no. we have what we call de swanner. that is the beer and was sworn at estate owns the mining company that mines on. polly's demos was, well i guess what, on the records, 80 percent of the proceeds of the diamonds it was on a goes to stick or fast. i guess what? all of that goes to schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure, okay. i want to hear from abraham air for a 2nd out because you know, as everybody is speaking, i'm wondering,

you're the people who are living in these communities. why not take these companies and sue them? why not protest? why not demand more from yoga? honestly, kona was a 100 percent destroyed during the civil war. this was the central yes, as of the war, probably for the diamonds. but we've also recovered 80 percent because of the diamonds, the small mines and other things, and are we are progressing. we are competing with other places like mckinney board, the milk artist. i can't allow you to continue with your thought knowing full well that this gentleman standing next to you was forced out of school because he was actually a child in the might. yes, i don't know if you need him of what up when i was shot. so i still want to go to meet with you that diamonds are suddenly now a blessing. when we can see that human rights violations are still occurring, children are still being forced into these sites. yes doth, makes me my, my work more relevant in as much as i was nearly killed in one of those demonstrations the like are test. i have my testimonies and i,

it's all about wallison. i jesse and a lot of places are. yeah. you were saying a dissertation kind of situation. do we give up? who do we said that more should be left on tossed off to mind demos, let's move to as the factors, you know, because these direct impact on, in direct impact to mary. i want to hear back from you, the women in these communities, most of them displaced because their land is used for mining. and then they find themselves internally displaced because they can't afford to buy land. they're not allowed to in some cases. tell me about that. really before this time, i am a we men, we are not allowed to own land. and at these land are be regulated by b or stories, his cheese and not us. so i'm for the women. as you can see, the are software because they cannot have access to lance. and of course, those that big, those that are being really settled there we are, haven't backyard guardians, india, the, our previous homes. but mouse, these, these, that cement as thick in place. those areas that they used to do the backyard garden

in order to, to sustain that themselves with our children. i know more, you know, in as distance they did the company in about, give it to them. and i want to hear from benedict how difficult or easy is it to then take some of these companies to quote because, you know, if i say i used to have 2 plots, and now you've given me a half of what i had, what's the procedure? because re quote and we are litigating these matters on a new we new fi business, i mean, we did not have legal fees to pay, didn't look they can't afford the cost of lawyers to let, to get rid of and on the quantity of course, inside the companies, they have tons of demos, there are tons of money on accounted for, so they can put it on high old bunch of rails. we didn't have that report does. this matters and it is not a heating secret. it is not rocket sized to look at the people in corner and see by new companies. you have not lived up to expectations. so i'm, i will be challenging the mirrors and disappear german are very corner to come out

. and calendar apartment, you angelina, just a call that i say listen, we cannot be petoskey boost. we are presided over debris, where you are please read property yet in the midst of wealth and another challenge that comes from mining. of course, you're dealing with ethical minerals. i said earlier, what are some of the implications of, of these are extracted practices if you can even call them that? well, i receive the implications like if this big company that are coming to the community, likely. now the used the some machine is because extra vito, the adjustment and they lived the whole like that. then i believe it delivery like that's for the future. generations will house like now you measure culture, they would have some, some yachts would do the i cultural because the, the whole the pit is left open. ok slam. and i like the fact that you're raising your hand because i wanted to ask, what is it? and it may say about this, so we tell them after many you will clearly land because of so many does their own

use of land. so what you're saying is the companies are compelled, or they're supposed to yasu. we're still opposed to her. it's in my experience, is that they, the enemy and the alleys gonna do enough in sense of visual and protection of the environment. because if we look at the piano under protection agency, to be fair, they've been trying to plant trees, they're doing their best to recover and reclaim some of the law we are, the trees that he up landfill. the fees are more growing. these are the uplands yellow, even looking after the trees. for me, most of institute is that she shows up a money in the affairs of the environment. i just believe her lip service for the people. so we've had quite a myriad of challenges related to both large scale and small scale mining, particularly in this region. and now i want to find out for my panelists, how do we move forward? do you know as the sun sets down? i want to hear what we can do to change the situation because expect listed for decades. mary, you have something to say to me, all these issues that we have dealt with and we have a we forward how cold we the top management has to change their attitude,

especially in the a of this mining companies. we are seen this them, i'm the policies that are already in place should be implemented. we should stop saying them less implementing. and of course, regarding women, we have several structures in place. even this m m stone cautious we men, we have them as an association. so these block chas, i'm, if we want to empower them, there are several other ways, maybe in agriculture, we can bring up either catch up bro, i mean programs and we subscribe them so. so that's how we got our program flow empowering women creating skills for them to use for their mercy. if all goes on or it's ever him, any solutions for me. yes, that's 10. 20 percent of all was is coming from the man. she'll go to the women and children. okay. for decay, sean, for brilliant students and their community supports. does anybody else have a solution that we haven't heard yet? i think the government central government must realise almost understand that it is

the future of the children that has been put in your body for the from the mains. and the government has a singular responsibility. if you want to do it, they can do it next to wurrell, already gave into it to t. the excuses, the, the, the, the, the structural adjustments, the reliance on $40.00 only when i move does not need these not necessary if the gun really utilized the resources that are coming here. and like i said to the enemy, a gentleman, we don't know what comes there every day. even if this it is new, they are not publishing it. so how can we clim to amp a centrally to present that sag leading to phosphorus? how would you calculate 100 percent of a lot rate? nothing. so the goldman was be to spirit, accountable, and development must not be particularly political issue. once you own government, you have government for everybody. okay, well at the beginning of this debate, i asked if the riches that i found largely under ground in this country present

a curse or not to the economy and the people of this region. what i've heard in a resounding way is that no, they're not. it's simply how they're handled or mishandled. i don't know what your viewpoint is, but thank you 40. thank you indeed for that important conversation. and thank you for watching. we've come to the end of the show, but not before we give to amuse the call, treat enjoy. ah, ah ah! with

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