[000:00:00;00] ah, could a u e u countries decided to reduce their agreed to reduce their gas usage this winter by 15 percent as russia plays fast and loose with gas supplies to europe by the north stream, one pipeline energy ministers hailed the plan as evidence of european solidarity and played down the various uptown agreed for countries who didn't want to play. i'm throw gail in berlin and this is the day. ah, you should no longer be surprised. that button will turn off the gasp, tap with the wind these coming. ah, and we don't know how cold it will be. we have experience with russians.

numerous time ukraine was cut off supply of gas in the middle of winter issue. during the last 6 to 7 years. the european union has been saying that russia is using gas as a weapon without giving any concrete examples. but what we know for sure that with the in the will continue to play. he's that the games this will also be heard in moscow. europe cannot be divided also coming up as a symbol of cooperation in the stars, the international space station, with tensions over the war in ukraine high. russia wants to pull out of the project and take a giant leap forward in its commitments in space. we will fulfill all of our obligations to our partners, but the decision has been made to leave the station after 2024. i think by that time we will, if we're going to build

a russian orbital station or saucer. welcome to the day, the european union agreed a plan to reduce its reliance on russian energy at an emergency meeting in brussels . the u ministers struck a deal on rationing their natural gas is coming. winter made concerns at moscow might further cut or even holds its deliveries the plans expected to see most u. member states cut at least 15 percent of their gas usage. if supplies for to critical levels, the new deals would allow emergency transfers of gas to member states who face shortages. european unions been negotiating the agreement after moscow announced it would slash a gas deliveries through the north stream. one pipeline which runs under the baltic sea between russia and germany. russia claims that reduction has been due to maintenance, work and sanctions. and that a complete stop. it is not on the cards. but european officials don't believe it and have started to prepare for the worst. so through this with yourself

book, who's the director of european energy policy at the energy transition? think tank at a gora energy vendor. welcome to the w. germany. economy minister says it's still demonstrates european solidarity, but there are a number of countries who have opt house. how much solidarity is there? seek to political cigna cannot be overrated. it's very important that when it, before the call period starts before it starts the member states that collectively agreed to reduce gas demands. 15 percent. so to be in a position to fill the storage of gas in europe to the level necessary to get through the winter, even if a russia would fully cut the gas in the re serial. so it's very important to note it is putting into legislation principle of energy solidarity,

so incentivized on message also to the kremlin that this game of divine being in unity doesn't work. you're right. the number of exemptions interrogations in this agreement reach today. so some of these exemptions are very straightforward . some of the countries in europe are not connected physically to the european gas grid. it wouldn't really help if they are cutting. for instance, malta are either got a gas consumption there and it wouldn't benefit other countries in greater need than those countries. and there are some other specific situations where countries are a ticket dependent on gas for electricity production. it's, those are the both the countries to some extent, also france at this point in time. and there are also some possibilities to then

document that sharing the 15 percent burden of the where i can specific instance i'm buying lots of good back. right. and we're talking go out of a voluntary 15 percent cut by winter, which could be made mandatory if surprised. reach what? so the e was described as crisis levels. what do you think crisis levels would look like in the real world? so for the audience, in a situation where there is a big uncertainty about the continuity of a gas applies from russia to europe, in some countries, a highly depend. so the need at this point in time, philip storage levels to a minimum, 80 percent before the winter. and so if the information from the countries in europe there will show that we are not coming to this 80 at least 80 percent storage filled levels before the winter, then be reaching a crisis situation. and then those demand reduction measures,

which are at the moment all it will become by the right. we're good. let's hear from germany. economy minister, robert har, back with his analysis of russia's evil plan. if i can put it that way, and then we'll get your take ramos, if we have seen over the past weeks and months that russia strategy is to keep prices high in europe, it wants to push up the political price in order to divide europe and drive a wedge between it and ukraine. this decision today has sent a strong decisive message, which will also be heard in moscow that europe cannot be divided. this is mr. whiten. but his book, what do you think is that the russian cost benefit analysis of cutting gas supplies to europe at lost revenue against annoying the europeans? so very clearly, russia is playing the political game of seeking to divide europe in its unity against russia as

a ball of aggression against the ukraine. this is the basic sector, and it is using fossil gas supplies in sterling, on and off as political weapon. of course, by delivering less gas in our market based system prices are going up. so the relative damage from limit from supplying less gas to the russian state budget is relatively limited at this point in time. but of course, going forward as a result in europe, in a collective resolved to get independent, fully independent from russian hospital supplies over the next year. so there will be very significant economic damage to russia and going forward. all right. and you say that the russia is attempting to divide euro bye bye bye, cutting these energy supplies. how does consuming energy supplies to say germany through north stream one or through the north re one pipeline?

how would that divide europe it is of course not in time. specifically is highly important for germany. if russia is selectively cutting some gossip close to some countries as done to poland, for instance, to buy gary or not to germany. and then those countries may be neat off solidarity and then executive the situation that was the basis for discussion today amongst the member states with a reaching agreement. so if that is a country that can not supply itself with the cost of gas from russia or other sources, then solidarity will kick in. and there is an under certain conditions of mandatory showing of foster gas amongst countries because we do have fairly well connected

into on the european market for gas. so that is the infrastructure to, to um, to switch those around to southern you understood. and so as, as russia loses out on energy markets in europe for its oil and gas, is it finding other markets? this was specifically for the gas, i think in the short term. this is becky, it saelens, of course, russia is currently in corporation with china seeking to develop a pipe and object from russia, china. and this book, according to what i've read to take 3 years potentially 4 years. and it will only be a fraction of the cost of gas current is applied by pipeline to europe at the same time. and then the alternative lindsay to liquefied the national natural gas and so then exported to international markets. of course, it's an option,

but russia is at this point in time at least very much dependent on technologies to be able to get into market. that is not it is missing some, some techno owns to engage g product. ok. that's clear. thank you so much for joining us on it and explaining that to to us mathias book from the energy transition, a think tank, i gotta energy vendor anything. ah, are you crazy? russian forces of launch new missile strikes on coastal towns in the southern regions of a death and mc alive. a cave is released footage of what it says is the aftermath of the attack, which had several buildings along with port infrastructure on the black sea coast. russia attacked a desert port of the weekend casting down on fridays breakthrough deal to resume

grain exports to the world. on ukraine's military says it's used advance u. s. weapon systems to strike more than 50 russian military targets in recent weeks. it credits a multiple rocket, launching trucks known as high mars, with helping to destroy ammunition, depots, and bridges in russian hill territory. ukraine has only a handful of these vehicles with more on the way, but they've also become targets for russian attacks. this is high mars a high mobility artillery rocket system. the crown jewel in ukraine's growing arsenal of us made weapons. and this is what it can do. the high mars can pull up in the middle of a road and far off multiple rockets very quickly. and that precision guided, so they can accurately target russian munitions combat centers and more. the high mars is basically a truck carrying

a pot containing 6 missiles. it can be reloaded in 3 to 5 minutes. most artillery is mounted on slower moving tread at vehicles or tow by trucks. but a high must get away quickly once it's far off, it's payload. or, as the military term goes, it can shoot and scoot. it's missiles have a range of 80 kilometers far more than most russian artillery. this means the russians must move their sensitive targets, like ammunition depots, further from the front lines. this makes it harder to supply its combat units. analysts say this is the game changing part of high miles. ukraine says it's rockets have destroyed at least 30 logistics hubs and ammunition, depos. russia says it has destroyed at least 2 of the high miles trucks, a claim. the u. s. denies that ukraine's ability to use them effectively will also mean hiding these precious systems. well,

keeping them supplied with ammunition is up to the west and see what sort of differences these weapons making with mark montgomery, he's a senior director of the center on cyber and technology innovation, the foundation for the defense of democracies. welcome to the w. what do you think i have these high moss that change the game or is it too soon to tell? well, thank you for having me. and i do think the high mars and the guided missile larger rocket system, or gamblers, munitions, that fly, 50 miles or 80 kilometers that they lodge have made a significant difference. because what they're allowing your cravings to do is hold russian logistics in command and control at risk in a way that they couldn't with the 177 howitzers with traditional 155 millimeter rounds. so they had made a significant difference there affecting the russians. and that's why the russians are attempting to target them. right. and it's interesting that, that, that you've just said, and we said in the report, there's this,

this concentration on the stretching of russian logistics lines. because we saw the thought of this will. that was a problem for moscow. that's right. they were trying to fight around have their own extended lines and they failed. so in this new campaign they have fighting broadly, generally from russia into the dom boss, they, they would appear to have shorter logistics and command control lines, which are easier for them to control and they can be more successful. but what with these munitions, those can even those compact lines of communication can be held at risk and create problems for the russian. so i really do think this is a game changer, is a tough term is significantly sways things in the ukrainian advantage. if they have enough routes, and more of these high miles are expected to be delivered, is that right? so we just are now for more of the high mars vehicles and there's equivalent

vehicles them to 70 is coming from european countries. so they'll have upwards of, you know, 2 dozen of these vehicles eventually. but again, as i said a moment ago, the key in the munitions we have only heard, they're very discrete about the amount of issues that are being given here. as opposed to the 155 millimeter where we say we deliver 411000 or something. we say things like hundreds. and so i am concerned about this. i want to make sure that we're getting enough it's, i think it's critical that we get significant gamblers, munitions in the ukraine for use of the high mars vehicles. that discretion is an interesting point because i gained the early months of this, this war that we were seeing a government spokespeople taking to the media saying we're going to be delivering of this many of this sort of, uh, uh, weapon. and this many of it's sort of a weapon and one at the time you couldn't help looking at that and thinking, well,

should you really be telling the world what about your plans? so i think, you know, when they're in broad numbers like 59000000, you know, rifle rounds or 411000, or until you're roger probably ok. i mean, you know, i creating a unique thing to attack in the very small numbers. i say the ne, sam's the national air to service their missile systems or the harpoon missiles are coming from denmark and then eventually from united states, probably want to be very cautious about the numbers you tell. i think in the high mars, because it's successful, we're conference in the numbers. i think the round issue has more to do with. we know that these are troubling to president and his leadership group because, you know, they can almost reach and to russia. and that's that hope of bridge the ukrainians don't cross with this weapon system. take full advantage of it. to destroy the russian occupiers and the boss. ok, i'm, i'd like to read you

a tweet from lithuania, so foreign minister gabriela, lance bag guess. and he treated a couple of days ago, he said the agreement to unblock a desa would have been impossible without. hi, mom. it's not very clear that the war will end. if we ukraine faster. i wonder mom montgomery d. do you cry? do you think ukraine bombed russia back to the negotiating table? seems quite like a big claim that i, you know, i'm not sure if you can, you can add that 2 and 2 together and get 5, right? i mean, that's a, that's a tough, that's a tough like there's what i would say is the hi mars. i'm the gamblers rounds, the, the counter battery fire radars. it allows to hit their artillery the harpoon missiles. all these things are leveling the playing field for the ukrainians, so that their own resilience, which is the real backbone of this defense, you know, can,

can evidence itself to the rush of leadership. so i don't think any single weapon system doesn't, and i'm not sure what the mathematics were, and present boots ed program in odessa and clearly that mathematics reversed and close it opened it, closed it over the last few days with his attacks missile attacks on the odessa port so i wouldn't give a tote, i don't 100 percent. sure. the lose waiting for minister can can be validated on that. all right, that's so very clear. thank you so much for listening to elucidating that and spending that the time with us montgomery from the foundation for the fence of democracy. thank you. thank you. ah yes. i don't need to tell you anything about the rocket in space industry. but what about man space exploration? tell me what our ideas for the near future are you doing? because like your last, you know, we work with in,

for framework of international cooperation. on the international space station. we will fill all of our obligations to our partners. but the decision has been made to leave the station after 2024. i think by that time we will have begun to build a russian or little station. also. so present a protein and shafer face and space agency confirming rushes exit from the international space station or moscow announced early this year, it was pulling out of the project and now provided a time table from intentions. with the west, over the conflict in ukraine, russia says it wants to quickly, i assess after 2024 and focus on building its own orbital station. it would bring an end to decades of corporation in space with the west. we are left all in billing of the intense rivalry in the early days of the space race, moscow, and washington. i came to work together in space, exploration,

even at the high for the cold war. one of their 1st joint projects was the creation of the international space station. i assess consists of 2 sections, one run by russia and the other by the us and other western countries. and they agreed, it would always have at least one american and one russian on board. keep both sides of the outpost running. i assess, has been continuously staffed for more than 20 years. well, chris welch's a professor of space engineering at the international space university in strasburg, he's also a vice president of the international astronomical astro nautical federation. excuse me, and welcome to d w that so we know that the i s s a had been scheduled to operate until 2030 has rushes premature exit and put that plan in danger. it's difficult to tell them, i mean, certainly if they do that by 2024 at the moment it's unclear how the station

could continue to operate. and as you, as you said earlier, there's a sort of mutual dependency built into it. and, you know, the russians depend on the american and european section for power, and we depend on the russian. so the, so we boost and some of the attitude control and you can't divorce those easily. so it would require, you know, the west in particular america to come up with alternative systems for carrying out you know, those, those functions. so last thing i heard the nasa was saying that they hadn't had anything official from west coast. most of the russian space agency yet. so some commentators are saying maybe this is yet another kind of negotiating position . so i think i think the coming days we'll get to know more about that. i was interesting about that sort of process to my next point because you wonder what's

behind this decision. all right, various the war in the ukraine, but they have cooperated this far. do you think russia really does want to build its own space station? i'm sure they would like to build their own space station, a rush, that was they was the state the put the 1st human being in space. it has a place like i think the question is whether they can afford to, to build a new space station. many of the space development projects have the money behind schedule. that hasn't been enough funding a on russia making that worse. so personally, i would be surprised if they could afford to do anything significant. maybe they could re launch a single module or something like that. this was the basis of the space station, but it wouldn't be nearly as ambitious as the international space station. what is

lost by russia pulling out with this project? i think that could be split into 2 parts. there's the, the technical part. so the to do with station operations that we've already mentioned. but sort of more significantly, there is, i feel like a kind of proud tradition of international cooperation throughout the history of the international space station. even when things have been getting a little bit complicated between countries on the ground. this sort of cooperation continued even proposals toward the international space station, the nobel peace prize for services to international corporation. and i think that's what we'll i'm from my point of view geopolitically. that would be a shame if we lost that's in space. projects are all big and complicated and expensive, and i think we do the best i will do them together. i say it is not the the end,

the space activity that's been effected by the situation russian story is rock. it's no longer launch from crude french keanna, where the european space forties and, and a european mission to mas as well so badly acted by changes in the relationship. all right, i think is a shame. so we have the, i assess up there. we have russia saying that it's going to build a space station. we have china building a space station and i think india as well. i say it wants to. it's going to get quite crowded up there. even amount of space. yes, i mean, i think in the case of india, he is that they have that ambition, but we need to remember they have yet to, to launch a human being in the space though that should be happening fairly soon. and we shouldn't also forget that in the u. s. there are multiple plans for for private space stations. axiom space in one day funds with

a module on the space station. if the u. s. gets its way and the operations can continue to 2030. jeff phases has all these plans and, and there are others. so it could be that were seen in the coming, you know, commercialization of human space flight in little bit. all right, well, they're all good talking to us. very interesting. yeah. chris welsh, professor of space engineering, thanks for joining the day. my license and the day is almost done, but the compensation continues online. you'll find this on twitter. i've asked d w usually you can follow me at a film. gail. i'm

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