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this is irish camp in northeastern syria since the fall of the so called islamic state, arab and kurdish forces have in turned over 800 women here captured former i. s, members. among them are $200.00 french citizens and their children. they live at precarious conditions, waiting to be sentenced and possibly returned to france. we were able to interview one of the women here 33 year old seda comes from lunel, near the southern french city of montpellier. since she came to the camp, she no longer wears any cap face veil. her story is similar to that of many women who once swore allegiance to ins. only denise cursed in may 2015. i was in contact with people through facebook. griswold, i asked about syria and the islamic state office because i had a lot of problems and i wanted to disappear for a while problem. if i decided to come to syria, it's happened in the space of

a week very quickly. and also i didn't think about it. what about if i stayed 2 or 3 days in the center for women? and then i got married. did julio for him to my site? i tells us that after 2 years in syria, she managed to escape the so called his law mc state. she was quickly arrested by kurdish authorities and spent 6 months in prison before being taken to the camp. last year, after a long struggle with the authorities, she was able to send her 2 children to france, mitchell contention. of course i regrets coming here, live her to my family, and you can, i don't feel radicalized or anything. it's been a big punishment to spend 2 years with i. yes and 3 is in the camp has been hard to those. and i just want to go back to my normal life to see my children again. will home of, you know, like many handle, i'd like to return to a new normal life. no one can cita and those like her be trusted, or do they pose

a danger to society? it's difficult to say. for its part, the french government considers these women enemies of the state and doesn't what, let them return for hundreds of french and other western jihadists, men and women, there is little hope of leave in kurdish prisons any time soon. not all former i as members have been arrested far from it. where are the others hiding in the middle east or in european countries like france and germany? a handful of men have made it their mission to find these fugitives. in october 2014, the so called islamic state, i asked for short reach the peak of its power. it controlled vast areas of syria under rock. for 4 years. the terrorist organisation committed numerous crimes like mass murders and other heinous acts of violence. the self proclaimed

caliphate was soon beaten back by airstrikes carried out by nations, including the us, britain, and france. it effectively collapsed after us forces killed its leader. a bull backer, albert daddy died like a dog. he died like a coward. the world is now a much safer place. mm mm. the caliphate may have been destroyed, but its supporters are still at large. 0 hum is assyrian journalist. he fled from i s and 2014. for the past 2 years, he's been in contact with a secret network of private individuals who have made it their mission to track down former i s members around the world and make them pay for their crimes. much like the nazi hunter is after world war 2, these investigators mostly operate under ground. i. as fighter, as fleeing syria,

often passed through greek refugee camps. before going into hiding, can i get to germany or france? ammonia said to have money under to lose all yanine letters during the war. a lot of syrians applied for asylum and europe. many i as fighters took advantage of that today, they pretend to be completely different. people are a lot, so thank policy. want to kind of exploiter canyon how many members of the terrorist group has managed to get into europe? are they still a threat? the i as hunter's risk, their lives tracking these people down across several european countries.

this is southern turkey were on route e. 90, also known as jihad road from 2012 onward, thousands of europeans travelled this route to join i. s and syria and iraq. them 33 year old ahmad ramada heads an organization that tracks down. i asked criminal's la la, i'm on my way to go deal with several cases for one in particular. oh, visit criminal believes to be in germany right now. he was in. no, he was a leading figure in the islamic state organizational where hug the walls boldly. leah ahmad regularly publishes the results of his investigations online. his networks website lists dozens of wanted people as well as calls for witnesses. the group publishes suspects identities, age place of birth and function within the i s terrorist organization behind these

mat. hans are about 30 investigators, journalists, and activists. many are volunteers. they've all suffered at the hands of the so called islamic state law, robbery the us and held that the board is not far from here. 20 or 30 kilometers away result. it's handy because our guys can enter syrian territory, for example, to find out who has left the country. but in terms of security, it's a dangerous area for them. they regularly receive threats. i'm the only one in the network who uses my own name to travel and shows my face so obviously hard. after a 12 hour drive from east dumble, we arrived in san lora for a border town with $800000.00 inhabitants. it's a hub for traffic to and from syria. ahmad is meeting an informant here in a secret location. we have to disguise the man's identity while you hi,

off model. are you? well, yes, yes, and you love stone? come in. once inside, we can start filming. having our cameras out on the street would have endangered the 2 men. the informant wanted me to come here in person to hear some very sensitive information. to share it online or over the phone would have been too dangerous. pleasure, lunchable. so about the guy in germany. sure. holden to week this video where he appears we started inquiring about the victim, the more jo rosenberg ball see the victim's hat was caught on 114 with one another in the video that the informant acquired a young this la mic state recruit, holds the head of a syrian army soldier, he has apparently just

a capitated the man brutal images like these are the hallmark of the islamic state . i the i, as hunter's got their hands on the video through a relative of the perpetrator, who is from deresa in northeastern syria. ahmad at his informant are also from that city. it's thanks to their connections there that they're able to obtain so much information on the shuttle all along. we know this guy went to germany and we believe he's assaulted sleepily who's waiting to be reactivated. we have a photo op amp, so one of our informants has promised to find his residence permit those. now they have this video evidence, the investigators will track down the i as fighter, the man is living undetected in germany. much like around 500 other i s militants,

who according to our mod, currently reside in europe. one months later we meet ahmad again, this time in istanbul like thousands of syrians, he sought refuge here 3 years ago. i lo, how are you? good and you before he began hunting down i as criminals, he suffered the repression of mush. are all assad's regime on a b, charlotte fan clock. hello, here i'm talking to the demonstrators. oh, well, she's not at the beginning of the arab spring. we demonstrated for freedom every friday. after the revolution began in syria, we were thrown into prison. after my release, i had to leave damascus in secret and go to day as though in the northeast of the country. i stayed there until the ice came. a few months later,

my father was murdered by the jihadists and i fled the city. after losing his father, ah mud also lost his brother, who was likewise killed by islamic state fighters. since then, i might have searched for their killers day and night above all on social networks and the dark web, which is a gold mine for information. oh, oh, it's a battle being fought on many fronts of mat himself took great risks for months filming i, us activities and interviewing victims. the members of his group continue to investigate for him. they try to collect as much incriminating evidence as possible, such as photos, videos, and other documents. other guy, he's a member of the i as police. he also takes witness statements. oh, oh say. once he's made sure the evidence has reliable

off, might publish his id on his website that's often led to dramatic captures. like the case against yourself, i'll maroon an important ideas figure. i don't when we are members of the islamic state, we are the muslims, the jihadists who believe in only one god and all the world will get to know us. the syrian appeared regularly in islamic state propaganda videos. thanks the i s. hunters who documented his many crimes, he was arrested by special forces in turkey in 2020. the arrest was reported by local media not has thousands of horrifying images. a disturbing threats saved as evidence on heads, hard drives which

would allow them. they're like watching these videos and i shouldn't have clear live. i mean, i'm almost used to it. we've seen so many things. we've carried the bodies of our relatives and friends. this is a war mascot and i can't deny that it gets to me. but life goes on, i have my show, are you doing this work to avenge the deaths of your father and brother? a whole and all the it's not about revenge. it's about justice way. but man is waiting for more detailed information about the younger hottest, who played with his severed head in the video he saw,

he hopes to track him down in germany. he's also working on another case, which is much farther along. this man was an active i s member will call this fighter muddied. he, if i don't talk on my dash, we have lots of informing of india as we've been observing him for months. he was in charge of procuring weapons and medicine which he collected at the turkish border. just before the defeat of he fled to turkey and in to europe. and where's no germany ammonia? another case in germany, we leave a stumble with many questions still unanswered. but we're determined to get to the bottom of these stories. in paris, we start piecing together the puzzle of muddied. he's very active on social media and seems to live a good life in germany. the ice hunters put us in touch with one of the witnesses

from their investigation. he agrees to talk to us as long as he can remain anonymous. and i come from the same region where margie is from. i've been living in germany for some time now and i know maggio personally while we've met more than once. i'm ready to testify in a criminal court on the witness will give us key details on my ged background. islamic state took control of the dairies all region on june 20th 2014 margie and his group had formed a battalion within the free syrian army, but they became supporters of the islamic state. several they supplied. i asked with ammunition heavy weapons, chemical fertilizers to make explosives and even surveillance, drones. go on to having heard this testimony. we had to the roar an industrial region in western germany.

hi, how are you? that is fine. thanks. joy allegedly and will be with you in 2 minutes. and i did on vicky. anybody they did. we're meeting with the syrian informant, who's investigated, maggi the most for his protection will call him hello plight. come in. like all of the, i, as hunter's towel, rack has lost loved ones. his cousin was hanged and public by islamic state fighters and many of his friends were shot dead as a refugee in germany. he's been tracking muddied for 5 years during the hall warning,

but it wasn't oil or bunker. he arrived with his family in europe under the same conditions as ass fucking on an inflatable boat law. the only difference is he had money to pay for all the travel expenses weren't. once he got out of syria, he set up a money transfer company to bring huge amounts of funds out of the caliphate territories. also not high level. i asked members recovered the money once they'd reached turkey or euro's talking on public almost all alone through our network. we obtained this photo of the money transfer officer he'd set up in the turkish city of l. a. z or this is his office been when he arrived in our organization published an article that was picked up by the bills newspaper on victor. good low money, the german tabloid reported maggi to rest and release and 2015 boom. police arrested a suspect and a refugee shantay, an owner on thursday afternoon,

the syrian is said to have worked for islamic states, finance ministry. the 31 year old man was released from police custody. authorities could not prove he was a member of the terrorist organization. the man arrived about a week ago with his sister and her husband, who has had a leg amputated. this image from 2014 shows, a man said to be my jade's brother in law, in an ice military uniform. and here a few months later with his leg amputated as a result of a coalition air strike. maggi stands next to him with his finger raised a symbol of loyalty to ins. magic now lives under the radar in germany. that fact may be shocking to many, but our rec isn't really surprised. in walking along the germans say that he's not a danger to them. how he supposed to be helping them obtain information in their fight against. i asked them for his brothers are still in the organization. do you

think the authorities are protecting him? oh oh yes. ready it's a serious accusation, but the i s hunters won't be deterred. they've continued to investigate, muddied, since his brave detention car wreck has just obtained some important new information. a few months ago. the suspect opened a massage parlor. well, high up mod, how are you? it's a surprising lead, and he wastes no time telling us mad. the head of the investigation network. jekyll shahan, remember the person who told us maggie had come to germany a long you? yes. oh no. so i saw a job in the hold and he just called and told us that my jeep has opened a massage parlor in germany. b. o mon, you, how can an i is condra who fled to europe and only gets 3 or 400 years in social

benefits per month? we start a project like that in the future. we'll have to find out. oh, oh boy. oh boy. oh hm. see, especially since my information shows, he also owns full or 6 cars without license plates. and that he has them parked in front of his house to sell them on the original. it would be good to use a hidden camera here. let me know if you're able to film angel this issue despite the risks in a few days, towel rack will track down, muddied and film had with the hidden camera. so meanwhile, there's new information about the other case identified in germany. the investigators have sent us pictures of the young to hottest who they say the headed, his victims will call him samir pictures of him taken in both syria and germany

were found on his facebook account in the no, on the left, he just turned 17. today. he's $23.00, he's grown, but it certainly seems to be the same person. another crucial piece of information is his passport issued by german authorities in 2015. a member of the network of i as hunter's got her hands on the document after seducing him online and winning his trust. she eventually asked him for a photo of his passport, so she could send him money. ahmad team also collected for incriminating witness testimonies. one of the witnesses was prepared to talk to us. he was a childhood friend of sammy or a for sure for had joined the islamic state in 2014.

he was a kid who was always playing around on a motorcycle. been with them when i asked took over the dare as all area in 2014. he pledged allegiance to them because then he underwent 6 months of training in iraq. but with after he got back from iraq in early 2015, his financial situation had changed dramatically. our to be good. he was driving in a nice new car all of us and didn't seem to want for anything. well, just a couple weeks ago, look, when he was fighting in the airport area. he used to cut off the heads of enemy soldiers hold their heads a lot and brag about it follows. sometimes he'd bring these heads into the city center and play soccer with them, but these horrifying tendencies are said to have allowed him to rise quickly in the hierarchy. as one of the terrorist groups intelligence agents,

he left their resolve for turkey. at the end of 2015 from there he went secretly to europe in early 2016. but 6 months later he returned without any problem to syria, to darrow's arm was sure. mm hm. sonia was indeed in syria and lay 2016 as this picture shows. there was unseasonal snow in darrell that winter even the local press covered it. the northern syrian province of debt as or has experienced heavy snowfall and freezing conditions for the 1st time in 25 years. according to the witness, samuel left syria for good in 2017 and returned to germany. this information helped us to locate the suspect and button button bag, a german state bordering france. he lives in an outer suburb of

a large city. he's taking driving lessons in order to get his truck drivers license for safety reasons. we prefer to approach him on the street on his way home. protocol, excuse me, can i ask you something i yes, and then i'm doing a report on the street. and it does, you have a minute, you know, what i would say about video. it's the university fan co, how much has the current virus changed your life here? after gaining has trust, we're able to talk with the alleged former i as fighter for quite a while level come, which part of syria you from language, should your own dear is or where is that those need the border with iraq? yeah, the man is from dairies or the former economic hub of the islamic state, which we learned was this boil everywhere. it warm

up the spot and on the oil was under. i asked control yet brought up and for. ready your for is, was everything was under, i is control with coca cola. soon as i saw a say you had to work for them by the of as a transport available to be no, but i had to buy oil from them and go push this route from michigan. so i don't was sammy or doesn't admit to having worked for i s, but he does make a shocking admission when all of you go, so i was with the police back home and it was the police, your jobby. my hobby is right. it's a chilling hobby. in light of the barbaric acts that armada team accused him of. in this 1st meeting, we don't mention the decapitation video that we have backed by the wrong. why did you leave this area for chose hubble, sharon and were going to go? my only choices were to die. well, morrow to fight against masha. allah sod!

or to fight for him would a judicial mcguigan portfolio. so what if i wanted to survive? oh, i would have had to kill people rushed toward the machine on either side. and i didn't want to have blood on my hands a 100 to listen to him. you wouldn't think samir has a guilty conscience for 45 minutes. we have a relax conversation with him. thank you. bye. oh no. next time we see him, we'll confront him with a video. marcell, february 2020, musty naima. a 32 year old syrian student was arrested in the no a district. the arrest made headlines and france, musty name are also known by his nom de gail. he slam i lucian, was a big fish. he was the spokesman of jake, alice lamb,

one of the many jihadist groups in the syria conflict with me in the name of god, the merciful. this is a statement from the chief of staff of the j. o. islam group, france accused him of war crimes. his group used caged civilians as human shields, to avoid being bombed by the assad regime. with men of we pray that the regime and the russian air force stops bombing us. we are innocent, one of the people here and that children have not committed any sin, would have been to live. in 2016 he lama, los fled syria for e stumble, where he created a new identity for himself. he got a degree in political science, specializing insecurity and terrorism. he arrived in france in november 2019, and was arrested 3 months later by the central office for combating crimes against humanity and hate crimes. we managed to get an exclusive interview with the head of

the authority that arrested is lamar loose for the 1st time, the officer shares details of the operation yesterday. diaries will tell you why. yeah. when he arrived on french soil, he had a conversation using his turkish number and then used a french number all will know, eva, we quickly managed to find his address in more se i thought it was from that moment on a new could we asked surveillance officials in more say to set up and carry out 24 hour monitoring it under no circumstances was he to leave france kit today. talk with surveillance, set up authorities waited 2 days before the suspect finally left his home puzzlement all over. so it was very early in the morning about a quarter past 6 in velisa. he had a suitcase and a backpack, especially. we didn't know where he was going or what he was planning to do. the agents on the ground determined that he was going to the mosque. so we let him pray

. he saw them was he came out of the mos was heading for the central train station . this then was it is a police decided to arrest him. they are on the street collision. it seems islam, allusion was about to leave france was he warned. and if so, by whom the police operation was a success. but it wouldn't have been possible without the work of assyrian and g o, based at a hidden location in paris. in the small office, 15 exiled syrian lawyers work to build cases against alleged war criminals. so that they can be tried in european courts. within the n g o motor seem is in charge of the islam alice investigation, he tells us how the former spokesman of the jihad, his group was recognized by a syrian refugee on the streets of marseilles. a muscle,

the hustle mercado from know all the shots. that's how we learned he was in france over. so he got in touch with the victims and witnesses of the crime scene committed. austin and then we gave all that evidence to the ministry of johnston. sometimes it'll be more now a couple of god. what does seem says there are countless cases like islam, alicia's across europe. hundreds in missouri, yanine las during the war, a lot of syrians applying for asylum in europe at so many of these guys took advantage of that a few. today they make themselves out to be completely different people with fake, osborne's porter, danny. they tried to disguise them past more, but they can't hide it completely bobbins. how many former jihadists has managed to slip through the cracks legally or otherwise? how many of them are now living incognito in europe? back in germany, we meet with i asked hunter tar wreck. this morning. he's going to take

a risk and covertly film the suspected to hardest. now running a massage parlor window, aren't you afraid to do that? after all, he is a former i as member on the run thought on fusion report, broken years have gotten more, but we're in germany. sure. a noise that reduces the risk mercantile and mom still he can't be trusted football. he still potentially dangerous her control him. so we have to be ready for anything. so no rush you. oh, this is a hidden camera. i hope all goes well. you're so likely. look for you there's no going back now. after a short drive, we reached the address. a few minutes later marguerite arrives. this is the moment of truth to rec is also from the arizona, like the suspect. there's a chance he could recognize him, excuse me. and i was told that there was

a massage parlor in the neighbourhood. yes, i run into the house. oh, it's yours. oh, let me just pock my car. sure. finally, tall wreck is face to face with a man. he's been hunting down for the past 5 years. muddied, accused of running logistics and finance for the islamic state doesn't seem to suspect anything. okay, how are you? good. your the physiotherapist? yes i am. he's just a friend. come in. the massage parlor is almost empty. it's cold, with almost no decor. the folder seemed to still be in there. packaging with no patient records inside. the massage parlor could be a cover for something else. and okay, if you do copying here. yes,

we specialize in islamic physiotherapy and i see where did you learn it in august while studying 1st hauling in germany, noah. oh yes, i studied here and i also graduated in syria. if he stays tarik might have to take off his shirt revealing the hidden camera aware of the danger he decides to find an excuse and leave. would you like to make an appointment? well no, it's better if i call you next week. okay, good. uh huh. fall thanks l m i c out the graph is that was that your name on the card? hello? yes, that's me. okay. see you just to let me talk to you. do you think he recognized you long? i don't think so. i would have noticed shove, he was with

a friend that i'm sure i know him, but he didn't recognize me as a school. i think we must have met about 5 years ago, but i was on. that's probably why he didn't rec, nice me. some of the meeting has made to rec, fearful, and he decides to stop his investigation. it's up to us to take over a few days later we go back to the massage parlor. there's no answer. we don't have magic to address but we do have his phone number i do my apologies. i our you good dr. margie dealer. yes, that's me. and as a loan, basically i'm staying in a hotel near your massage parlor in marietta debate. i'm having back

pain and i saw the sign for the parlor on my mity lit, marked, and i thought you could maybe help me day any shoaf to la la farmer's mom can it's sorry we have the mobile whatever your questions are as a journalist, i'm happy to answer them over the phone to our surprise, magic knew the real purpose of our cow. was he tipped off by whom lorna marlow mod? listen. we have information that you were part of i yes. that you worked for them. i was shabby. sure. i'm all who told you that i might scan them in and got several people and witnesses said you were working for the group. fisher hold. good man. i can look into good. good. my. in my drawer liza lies. i left syria in 2013. before is lemay state had a presence in syria. oh,

good. but you didn't come to germany alone in though of your brother in law came to also he has an amputated leg and is said to have fought for ins. loose in what you're saying doesn't make sense. you're making it up on a mon, muddied doesn't know that we have this photo of him with his brother in law. according to the i, us hunters. it was taken in syria in 2014. this story is from 5 years ago if they really were witnesses or a photo as proof, i'd have been charged in court a long time ago. these witnesses exist and are ready to cooperate with the german justice system. but so far there is no official investigation against muddied, so you weren't with ins, didn't transfer money between turkey and syria, and your brother in law wasn't with io. it's not true. i only speak for myself.

despite my ged denial, all the information we've gathered seems conclusive and relevant to public safety. we decide to inform the german authorities but after an e mail and as a mess exchange and to meetings with german officials in paris, nothing happens. is magic being protect said as the i s hunter suspect, we may never know, but right now in the eyes of german authorities. he's done nothing wrong. but our investigations at germany aren't finished yet. after maggie, we now want to confront samir, the man accused of cutting off the heads of his enemies. to minimize the risk we arrange to meet him in a public place, a train station near his home. we immediately tell him why we've come back. i have a question here. i've done some research and i have information that you were part

of. i asked in syria into a song at cry from y'all the las? no. that's what the police thought you were questioned by the police. i yes, at my home. they took my phone and searched the apartment. they asked me if i knew certain people, well, i told them i didn't know the people george, to our surprise. some here has already been investigated by german police. so you're not who saw me? are we looking for? made that from what i don't know him, the police said they had a video from a government agency and i thought i was the person in the video. they showed it to me and i told them very clearly that it wasn't me. i wish there was robert. it's time to show him the video with the severed head. that's not you. sure you think he looks like me? sure. sure. i don't know if you think that guys made, isn't he? definitely not familiar. sure, that's not you. oh, yes. certain that i think it's the same face. if i wasn't innocent,

i wouldn't have stayed here. i've a clean conscience solved. the man calmly denies everything. it's strange that you have information, give it to the authorities and we'll see with great, okay, thanks bye. mm hm. when we leave samir, we are at a loss. we call the young man who's prepared to testify against him. people, how are you? good, and you are the man measure. fine, thanks. but the sort of college i want to ask you something about samira. i'm a lot the problem. ok, i filmed him with a hidden camera rose or go and he denied he was in the video. he's all right. yes. really talk on when he was 16. he was already taller than me and i'm older for several minutes. the young man studies the hidden camera footage.

so he has a beard now, but his eyes, his face, his voice. it's him no doubt, even if he denies it. was there any, are you really sure it's him? well, i have no reason to falsely accuse him. it's 1000000 percent him we have one final car to play facial recognition software that has already proven useful and numerous investigations. comparing pictures of the man then and now we get results that leaves little room for doubt. the software design her say a score of more than 0.6 means you can assume it's the same person. most of our results are around 0.8. even so, sammy isn't subject to any legal proceedings before finishing our investigation. we hear that something disturbing has happened to ahmad the leader

of the i a hunting network. a week earlier, he received a photograph showing him playing with his young daughter in an east humble park. the picture came with a blunt threat to you, the heretical appetite infidel off my to ramadan. we swear before god that we are always on your tail. the lions and wolves of the kind of fate can't wait to approach you and kill you to please god. this picture is just the tip of the iceberg. oh yes, i can run you. as soon as i got the threat, i moved house. the thing that made the mad was that i published my research about the woman who was in charge of these lumber police for women under i yes, mam. 2 days later they sent me this young man belgian and the dog boxy they. dr. ahmad is worried about his family. he's also disillusioned. relevant,

he army to programs that are work rarely leads to any consequences you'd like with my ged and some mia, i mr. governments there want a video of the g. how does city next to al baghdad or otherwise did i think it went off for a prosecution market? it's a real problem for us. it's possible that our fleet iraq soon or what have guided of dealing with them bucklin, missouri, b. maybe i'll put this job on hold for a while. butcher, then too much of a beer who will have the courage to continue the work of us mud and his team. how many former militants will face justice? how many will remain free? one thing is certain in iraq and syria. islam state is rebuilding itself under ground and carrying out bloody attacks again and again. the hunt is far from over.

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