this is the moment unleash on mileage pass and re imagine that these teachings, both elements to us. ah, gandhi's legacy. stuart august 6th on d. w. more than a 100 days of war in ukraine and the battles are intensifying. ukraine's losses have been severe since invading russia has occupy the 5th of the country and is pounding the spin dumbass, which it seems, determined to occupy. how long can care rely on western arms and ammunition? who could really trust? my guest this week from brussels is lou both to both sca advisor to ukraine's armed forces, along with her government. she's been angered by president macros, phone calls with like the med putin. and he's warning not to humiliate the russians

. it's not diplomacy to call the word criminal. it's not diplomacy. after everything, what russia russian forces committed in ukraine. so i do not think that to calling . we're suggesting no, not to her move, humiliate, putting is an option at all so that ukraine fear a western sell out or a deal being done behind its back. just how critical is the current military situation? do ukrainian still believe in the ultimate victory? the president, the lensky is promising. and when the guns fall silent, will russia ever be held to account of the lives it's taken? and the country? it's broken. all that i'm bore, uncomfort done for you, but you're both go welcome to comfort zone. after more than

a 100 days of fighting your president is as determined as ever to secure a victory. the only question he says is how much your people will have to pay for it to pay for that freedom. how much more are you and the people of ukraine prepared to pay for that freedom? ah, you know, freedom is the highest value for us. and we are ready to be as much as it's needed, especially after all losses after all, casualties, after all, destructions ah, russia brought to our will. and so now there is no question about peace or surrendering. and i must say that there is no even the word piece in our internal discussion. we talk about victory for us. it's very important to win this war, especially again, after all, those thousands people put their lives,

sacrificed their lives for our independence and were freedom. what would that victory look like to you? first of all, we would like to get back our territories. ah, our 1st step should be get back to the territories before the 24th of february. and then we would be ready to talk and have a diplomatic discussion on how we would regain control on occupied territories since 2014. but also, i think for many ukrainians it's very important to get reparations from russia. but also it's very important for us, ah, basically to bring to the russian people, the knowledge that they will wrong. that this word is, is, is, is, is like,

nobody wants to be under the russian rule in ukraine. and we want russian people to understand this. otherwise, if we do not change the regime and we do not change the perception of the war among russian society, otherwise we will have this conflict and the war again and again, russia will repeated over and over again. so i think that is very important for all of us to make everything possible. so russian, people could go through some re education and reconsidering what they have been done in ukraine. you want them to bring about regime change to you? yes, of course. yes, we would like them to do their homework and get rid of the, the dictators. but the problem is that the majority of fresh and people support the regime support the war. and we've been, i mean we ukrainians, we've been warning the west about very dangerous processes. within the russian

society for years. now we see that this leviathan, you know, this monster has grown up next to us with extremely nation. elise dick extremely chauvinistic racist views. and we have to do something with this. ukraine has lost by your government's own admission. a 5th of your country up to a 100, soldiers are being killed every day, some 500 wounded. what is that done to morale morale among the people? you know for us, of course it's very devastating. it sir involved a lot of pain. this whole tragedy, but at the same time really it's, it's this war, it's about our survival. we do not have other territories. we can just go and occupy. this is our land,

this is our home. so the morale is pretty high because we know what we are fighting for, and we know what russia brings to those territories it occupies like now in the sun region when people where people are being tortured and killed and raped. so i would say i would say that morale is pretty high within ukrainian society. the battles in east, a pretty intense of the moments. the shelling is unremitting and merciless in your view. how critical is the situation right now? how vital is it for you to hold on, for instance, to the eastern city of savior than the ask it is important because if they take these territories, it would give them opportunities to go further. and of course, they are not going to stop only on the bus they, they would go to odessa,

they would go to heart of again, and there is a high risk then they will attack key as well. and again, like, i think it's also crucial to understand how this work looks like. like it's is very, you know, conventional position of board. it's basically brings us in its manner to not even 2nd world war, but the 1st one, basically it's trenches warfare where a tillery plays the measure rolls and queueing thousands of people. so for us, it's crucial to keep the attention of the rest on what is going on in the east. we keep saying do not give up, keep your interests, keep, keep your focus on the ukraine. don't think that is some, you know, regional conflict. you can easily ignore as it used to be like a few years ago. so for us, we don't want to prevent this western fatigue. if it will goes on for

a prolonged period. do you trust america and europe to keep supplying you? yes, we do thrust be dressed, our partners, and we do our best to engage more partners and get more support precisely from central european countries, especially those who are now expressing some ideas on surrendering. we do not accept this ideas. what president micron has sad about preserving, put in the saving puddings phase or giving conceding territories it's, it's not an option for us. as i said, it's a matter of our survival. so, ah, and old pollings shows that the ukrainians don't want to leave under the russian rule. macros comments have clearly angered your government. your foreign minister

said calls to avoid humiliation of russian can only humiliate france and every other country that would cover it. russia humiliates itself, do you get the impression that the western may be from germany or italy? those have been pushing hardest for a see saw, are actually conducting negotiations behind your back without your agreement, or do you fear that they might be i don't think this impression that they are doing something behind our bags, but i think that they still want to pose it as diplomacy, which is not ah, it's not diplomacy to call the word criminal. it's not diplomacy. after everything, what russia russian forces committed in ukraine. so i do not think that calling we're suggesting not to from humiliate. pooty is an option at all. like it's not

going to help either ukrainian people or western people as well. and again, like we see clearly that there is a crisis of values which is very dangerous for the western society as well. because if this values turns to be to only declarative, and if they are not followed by actions, then it's, it's very easy to use this right to the area and regimes. you know, if we are so vulnerable, if everything that to be fought for and believed in is not important anymore. so yes, we create, we, when they say we a mean the west created so many institutions, you know, set so many wards on liberal values and democracy. and now we see that, yeah this, these values are not follow with some very concrete actions. and this is of course, very demoralizing for ukrainians. and i believe for many westerners as well,

but you've been quite angry with the west. you tweak it a few days ago. every time you want to bring us together, every time you want to decide for us, ask us. this simple rule would help many western politicians not to look like imperialist idiots. tough words. who are you talking about? i was talking about those officials who are suggesting us to to have peace negotiations right now with russia. who suggests us to concede territories and who, who tries to show that there is a brotherhood between the ukraine and, and russia, which is not true. there's a condition attached to the aid, the military weapons that your you're being given. you can only shoot at the

russians who are on your territory. you can't shoot back at them, they can destroy your towns and cities, but you can't touch that. do you accept that condition willingly, and will there come a time when you won't accept it? i think that the most important for us is to repel russian forces from our territories. and we do everything possible. there are so many russian troops currently ukraine. yes we, they do have very low moral. so we hear their interceptions, we hear the calls, what they're saying to their relatives. we see that they are not motivated at all. so our main goal right now is to get the read of russian troops on the ukrainian land and then we will. but my point is that you're fighting in a way with one hand tied behind your back. fighting against a nuclear superpower with one of the largest armed forces in the world. and the

west seems to have gone along with this idea that they can hit you, but you can't hit them across the border. are you happy with that? i am not happy and i think that the you will not find even one single ukrainian who would be happy with this that we always have so many conditions, you know, try and now we're had a hands basically. and again, let's recall what the rest restaurant, some of the rest and full additions were st. just 3 months ago that ukraine will, would collapse in 3 days. but the, it's the $104.00 days of resistance. and we stand firmly. have the americans told you what the and game is, how they see this war going? how long they see it going? does it worry you that the one thing that joe biden hasn't talked about is victory

your victory? i did not have any. i didn't have any negotiations on this with americans. i just keep hearing a lot of different versions, how long it might take, and many people are inclined to think that it's, it's going to take maybe a year or so. so, but i would suggest to the u. s. and other western countries to finally believe in us. that's what we are doing right now. we are proving that we are capable of wing and also there is another topic for discussion. what we will do, what the world will do with russia if russia we lose this, this work. and i think it's, it's important to see, ah, this, this possible solution that russia will be weaker and maybe smaller,

or even maybe call ups. so yeah, i think that it's, it's important to bring this topic on the table. finally, we don't want to prove every time that we can, when we proved it already, we just need support. ukrainian, people are not asking to fight for them. as i will, governments stated many times give us weapons and we will handle the rest. so we need more sanctions and the more weapons and what we will do the rest. before we leave the question of western divisions, i just want to make the point that perhaps put him we'll attempt of course, to exploit those divisions as best he can. but isn't there a danger in your eyes? in any case that the longer the war drags on, the more of those countries who are supplying your weapons in financing, your defense will want to say in how this conflict comes to an end. even if they

promise, as they have that they will respect your decisions. whatever isn't there that danger? absolutely, absolutely, the danger is there and of course it's in put in some interest to sort of freeze this conflict because then the rest definitely will have this fatigue and you know, voters in different countries. people in different countries will oscar the governments why they're paying high prices for gas and oil, for instance, or why we give so much money to ukraine. so of course it is very dangerous. but again, like if we are not even up, we ask you not to give up with as well. and you fair at the time when the, where we are paying you fair at the time when the west might give up some countries. yes. but again,

it's crucial to understand that we are fighting not only for our land, not only for our territory, but also for the values and the these values a share it with the western countries. and in some, at some point, we are fighting for the rest as well. and i think that if russia finishes with us, it will move further. it will move on. and the russian propaganda machine for up again, the people in russian officials stated it a lot of times if you look what they are saying, you'll see that they're absolutely very aggressive towards other countries like baltic states or poland. so, but i also think that they will have to kill all the fonts, like all 40000000 people to talk your bias. you talked about propaganda. i

want to look at this area because this is something that you specialized in. how would you rate ukraine's performance on the digital battlefields as opposed to the military? one ukrainian. i think the ukranian information warriors, as we call them a very successful they are very united. i think it's the 1st time run all key actors in this area. government, civil society and media are extremely united, united in their narratives, and encountering this information. it was not like they're back in 2014 back, 2015. now it's changed and a lot of people and i keep hearing from many colleagues, many european colleagues that how come to your strategic communications is so good . it just because the whole society is involved in communication and

we see great communication coming from military from angels, from the government presidential office. first of all, the m s. k. so is altogether gives this, this impression that we are winning. and i think that we really won this 1st phase of at least information were you, you say that, but your government had to learn some lessons early on using fake footage and creating myth. the don't that up that doesn't always help your course, does it? i'm thinking of the so called ghost of key s story, the ukranian pilot, who was supposed to shut down 6 russian fighters in the 1st day. and a further 40 later on your air force command had to step in and ask ukrainians as they put it, not to neglect the basic rules of information. hygiene has not been respected since then. those rules. first of all,

i think that the it's not the right to use this information. this is very important . and i think that generally if we look at how rush and how ukraine communicates, i think we have previous successfully follow this rule. there are some exceptions though, and internally we have these discussions and believe me, our government is showing that the capable of having lessons learned and they have the ministry of events, a learned one as well. i mean, they put out pictures of an aerial dog fight saying it was a mig 29 of the air force destroying the su, 35 of the russian occupies turned out. it was from a digital simulation gain. again, that's counterproductive, isn't it? it is. but as far as i know, they remove that video and you can imagine how many people are involved in communication. some of them are making mistakes. it happens. and the most important

part is that they removed it and they acknowledge that. what do you imagine could possibly persuade russia to give up the territory it's already taken, or it's taken since february, the 24th. i think that something might be, should be changed in russia. first of all. so it's good pool ah, the forces back, but also i situation on the ground like military situation, if they lose a lot of troops and if their military, if their soldiers refused to carry all orders, then of course would be a very clear signal to this local russian administration ministrations that they should give up barriers determined

to win victory as you are. they show no sign of wilting or changing their mind about that or being ready for compromises. there is no sign either. i think any money in the wings, even if putin will no longer there anybody different would emerge. anybody with different policies would emerge. yeah. but vac 3 months ago they were claiming that they were going to take keys and they failed. so i think it's mostly poor sharing and the re, as i said, we listen to russian soldiers conversations with their relatives, interceptions. and we see that their morale is very low there. and they, they do not see why they, they should fight for, for, for what they are fighting. they do not see the strategic goal. and they, again,

like they were told this soldiers were told that people in the ukraine would greed them with the flowers. and instead now they, they come and see the people, everybody hates them. everybody hates them in ukraine. nobody wants to accept the russian army or russian administrations or russia itself. so i think it's just just for sharing and bluffing mostly. so if they, if they are suffering with the glosses within the military, then of course they will draw their forces from the occupied territories. you still see a future for ukraine in the european union, of course. yeah. and majority of ukrainians, they are willing to join the european union and nato. and this is very important, this factor which is shouldn't,

shouldn't be excluded the wish. ah, the real of ukrainian people. and now we see that ukrainians express, ah, their wish to join the e u. hobbin. but we are a junior repeating family. how discouraging is it flows, how discouraging is it for you. when a french minister, grandma bone said last month, that ukraine might have to wait between 15 and 20 years to join the e. u. is that typical of some of the mixed signals that you're getting from western countries? very often, these people are the same. people who are saying that ukraine will collapse in 3 days back 3 months ago. so i agree. it is very d moralizing, but it is changing. and i think it's very important for our partners and allies in the west to show this coalition and to strengthen ukrainian voice.

there always be some politicians who would express something like this either in germany, hungary or france. but again, like, it's crucial to understand what ukrainians are fighting for and ukrainians are fighting for democratic values and ukrainians and trying to disrupt and to break these extremely bloody and authoritarian regime in russia. which would be beneficial for, for all western countries. as they said, when they finish with us, they will go further and let's not stop them. so we're in pulling a check republic let's, let's stop the russians in the east of ukraine. you both to boca, it's been very good to have you on conflict. so thank you very much indeed and ah,

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