ah, ah, ukraine says a counter offensive against russian troops in the south. the country is gaining pace and they plan to have knocked out a key bridge. russia needs to supply it's forces in the city of hass on. so are we really at a turning point in this war? i'm fil gale and berlin and this is the day. ah, you said you knew that there is a significant damage to the bridge and its structure, which i will be rebuild, but by others. we think that the enemy will try to repair it again. we are prepared for this means law. my. we only, but i thought her to the all the military,

diplomatic and other tools available. and you will soon hear about our next step. a motion that we will not give up until we drive the last occupier from our homes open. also coming up now there is a deal in place to allow the export of ukrainian grain. well, shipping companies put themselves in the line of fire test, of course. now is whether there is actual implementation of the agreement. that's what we're looking at. we'll see in the coming days, whether what rush assigned is serious about whether the grain gets out. that's what we're looking towards. russian forces have seized ukraine, 2nd biggest, a power station, the of which the hisco power station is the latest set back in the east and done bass, the area around the capital. keith has come on the missile attack for the 1st time in weeks, but in the south, ukraine says

a counter offensive is gaining ground. i from the ruins of this hotel, rescuers pull a man from the rebel. alive. not everyone was so lucky when russian rockets hit buck moved on thursday. the city in the don't ask region has been hit again and again. i indiscriminate russian shelling part of moscow stalled efforts to claim ukraine's east. but in the countries south, keith says a counter offensive is moving forward. the city of her son fell to russian forces early on in the war. ukraine is now stepping up efforts to retake it. keep says is knocked out the strategic antonio ski bridge. this would help isolate russian forces on the rivers west bank, away from their supply lines. you said, you know that there is a significant damage to the bridge and its structure. we think that the enemy will

try to repair it again with a number of others. we are prepared for this and you will soon hear about our next steps for multiple that should be removed as i'm posting on telegram, an official for the russian appointed administration said the bridge was still functional, while referring to ukraine's armed forces as nazis as, as common in the pro russian camp, still with most of the sword, one sealed with the bridge is blown up with. everyone rejoices but these are just allusions. none of the nazis will ever enter have song. so, but the destroyed bridge, which you can see behind me still exists and objectively speaking this hysteria by ukrainian nazis won't change the outcome. a phase though, the fighting over this strategic crossing is more than just a war of words. ukraine says it's forces will prepare the bridge eventually. but 1st, the aim to liberate their song. let's take a look at some of these matters with a just in crumb pace and intelligence and security expert and c e o of the

intelligence consultancy sibling. welcome back to d w. i'm, let's start with the antenna of ski bridge. how damaged is it? how much of a problem is this going to be for russia? is significantly damage. i think there's been some confusion. people looks images on social media and you can see the series of holes in the top layer of the bridge . and it's not immediately clear. it's not like it's collapse or anything like that . suddenly, when you speak to structural engineers about it, the integrity of the bridge has been so many damage over that. i think the biggest proof is about russia now using boats, towing pontoons with vehicles and supplies on it instead of using the bridge. so i think just judging the evidence of what we've seen today, that's how that now having to cross the river. we certainly suggest they think they're going to get it back into operation quickly if they're having to resort to that as a close to long bridge. and the main reason supply for their force is in the city

oversee. that's a pretty significant setback for them. and then you have 2 other options as well and both of them are damage to so russian troops in the 49 call me on that bank, a grid of probably feeling pretty anxious at the moment about the re supply situation. and resupply has been a big issue for russian forces throughout this conflict. absolutely, yes, and that's been aggravated, i think, by lots of ammunition supplies in recent days with the native equipment for the us . but we'll talk more about. but in this particular instance as well, they've been struggling to get a mission coord fuel forward limited in the range of their trucks. and of course, the more stretch it gets more, it slows down russia's ability to certainly to mount offensives. and we've seen that in the dumbass overseeing hudson. it's different because they're on the defensive that and they will have built up supplies in the area. and they've been

meeting troops to that part of the country to defend. but nonetheless, you know, as you get into the point that, that consuming more ammunition food fuel that's now come across the river currently by boat and it on tunes. and that is all the see cutting down the flow substantially from what they have seen previously. and it does seem as though her son is likely to be the next big point of conflict. russia, a sending of reinforcement se, and ukraine talking about trying to retake it. yes, and it's been talking about for a long period of time. but they seem to be building momentum now towards a more effective offensive in that area. it's the obvious place to choose. the river is at the back of the russian forces that makes it hard for them to defend. now we talked about that situation before with the city of severity nets in their hands. and remember you crane defending mass about

a month 6 weeks ago in the same situation for the background. so i might go a bit to some of the they had that particular problem that were in the room with them and they couldn't cross it. so that's something that the russians got into. it makes them very vulnerable. if they have these major problems again that see any place they really have that the moment the russian side, and it's very important to you, crane to take the city and stop it. potentially from having a referendum in september where it would join the potentially but to join the russian ration, what we think would be a rig selection. so that's pretty important timing for you kind of that point to do that. and of today's, i developed this is a rush is capturing of this of a power plant, ukraine's 2nd biggest. and on the day that ukraine talks about providing the you with power over winter, do we presume this not to be a coincidence?

now i think they've been trying for that power station for a while. it's been on contest, russia managed by around it. essentially it is the most significant non nuclear power station in ukraine, but it has routine been out of operation jeter's position in the dumbass on the front lines that interest me right at the start of the war. and this was already scheduled, but you crate that she switched it squid was pointing towards europe, whereas previously was pointed towards russia. so the value of that power station actually to, to ukraine is certainly fallen off. because i know it was going to the european grids, and that's how they've been able to make the loss of not only that station, but more importantly is a nuclear power plant, which is the biggest in europe, probably about twice the power outlet is older station in the dumbass, it's been captured now, so it's sort of symbolically important not agree with you quite an assessment, but it's, it's a tactical game for us, or it's not

a big strategic thing at this point out of ukraine itself, the u. k. has started several weeks of training for the 1st cohort of up to 10000 ukrainians. i say i'm, is that likely to make a difference? i wonder about that the why you would take them out of the country to do this, rob and then have them there. and on hand is a very important point, because it's not just about donating equipment. you've got to train people how to use it. if you talk about ukraine encounter attack, to do that at a higher level that you've seen anyone operate in the conflict in terms of using your troops and your equipment together to effect rather than piecemeal attacks that we've maybe seen from russian dumbass does require a lot of preparation, so again, it's not about giving, say 36 missile launches. if you can't crew 36 missed our launches, you might as well give them for that can be created for more. so the training is vital and it taking place outside the country is really important because where

training was taking place in the country that people could be targeted and it's using up ukrainian assets in training, who could be on the front lines. so actually the donation of training support away from the battle area allows people to work harder on training. they're getting professional support. it's not using up ukraine's experienced people training their new people. so that's been really important advantage i think, to allow that to take place. often overlooked, we talk about equipment donations, is that other part about you being able to use what you're getting and work together to better effect? i think the proof for ukraine will be, and whether or not they manage to mount an offensive rather than counter attacks in, in person itself, and to what scale that will be mounted and how well coordinated that is compared to earlier in the conflict. i have a very clear thank you so much for joining us and give us your, your time. thanks to your dog as well. just in crump, simply really thank you very much. ah,

or un broke a deal to export grain from ukrainian ports blockaded by russia. has come into effect after being signed last friday, but actually shifting the crop to markets where it's needed could prove difficult. a great export coordination center has been set up in a stumble operated jointly by the united nations, turkey, russia, and ukraine to oversee the process and to verify shipments. the plan is to get $20000000.00 tons of ukrainian. great out of the country un says this is essential as of 50000000 people around the world needed to avoid the acute threat of hunger. but very real security concerns remain including the threat of russian bombardment in the presence of c mines off the coast. so if you are in charge of the multi $1000000.00 cargo ship, that would actually have to carry this grain through mind waters and with the threat of russian bombardment, would you take the risk? don't stop, it is a senior manager of environment and trade of the international chamber of shipping,

as well as a leading merchant shipping organization representing 80 percent of the tonnage out there. welcome to d. w. a. you satisfied it's safe for your members to pick up grain from odessa. i think we've made huge progress in the last week from the original agreement to create the grain corridors, to where we are now with the foundation of a joint coordination sensor in his stand bowl. there remain questions that need to be answered and we understand that that is in process in particular with respect to the safety of our c fairs. the, this is a conflict so that our minds in the water we need assurance is 1st and foremost that the safety of the mariners who be carrying this essential cargo is guaranteed . and what we've heard so far gives us confidence that the actually will be

realized, right? let's talk about that. the crews and the crew is aboard the ships. will they be volunteered or will it be just doing as i told and decrease will be, will be normal. see very, so be drawn from the pool of c fairies who serve world trade around the world. is worth remembering that these are the people who keep the world economy going to keep us fed. it keep us warm in winter and they have done absolutely sterling service over the past several years, particularly during cove. it when a great many of them were on board ship for extended periods of time because they could not get home. i just wondered what the procedure was because of course this is still regardless of the assurances from either side. it's still a war zone. so is it just the case that ok you today you're going to a data and they get on board the ship and they have to have no choice as to whether

or not they do this. no decrease would have a choice as to whether they wanted to go through the the area, the what, what is the declared war risk area by the insurers? there will be negotiations. i'm sure about increased payments, but we really need to see what is agreed within the j c. c. and how this will operate before exactly certain as to who will be crewing our vessels to take this important cargo. in particular, whether there will be restrictions on certain nationalities going in and out of these ports because we do have a huge pool of sea fairs from both ukraine and russia who are still serving in the international merchant. and was very interesting. and what about the insurance aspects of the crew this the ships themselves? can you get insurance for, for these vessels entering a death and other ukrainian port?

there are 2 elements to this we've been, we were initially concerned the insurance would be hard to come by, particularly after the missile strikes on saturday. but there is a significant section of the whole underwriting market that is very, very bullish about insuring vessels that will undertake these voyages and provided we can get assurances from states that they are the sanction. this will not reach sanctions. i think we can be very, very confident that these voyages will be take undertaking legitimately right. and we're talking about moving something like 20000000 tons of grey. how many ships is that where we estimate that to export the usual grain cargo from ukraine, it would take about $400.00 ships. so we will need to look as soon as we get the go

signal that we can use the corridors as to exactly how that will be managed in terms of the carrier plate, which will be taking the, the vast majority of this cargo. there are obviously just over a 100 ships, currently stuck in ports in the northwest and black say about 50 of those are ships that can carry this cargo. we don't know what condition they're in either. so there are huge challenges, but shipping is an industry is resilience and has historically risen to meet challenges in the very, very worst of circumstances. and the other big challenge, of course, besides the bombs and the insurance and getting people to crew these vessels. if time at that because of course that the hope is to get those silos emptied in time to allow farmers to refill them with this year's harvest. indeed. and that will be a challenge. and we hope that the $120.00 day limit will be extended to ensure that

that not only do the current harvest there is in the silos. but the default coming harvest can be exported as well because there are a huge number of people around the world that depend on this food. and it's not just food, it's grain start. his seed stock is also fertilizer, which is the ammonia products that will be allowed out as well. we need to see this work and we hope that the international community as a whole, will come together to guarantee that we can continue supplying the world with this essential cargo. right, thanks very much for joining us, john. that's very interesting. john stoffer of the international chamber of shipping ah, less war has killed thousands destroyed infrastructure and damage the mental health of lots of ukrainians. psychologists are struggling to help adults and their children cope. the w corresponding nick spicer has been to the devastated town of

bar junker and found that even reminders of historical violence can trigger new anxieties for shell shocked ukrainians. during the occupation, somebody put a bullet hole through the head of ukraine's national poet, terra schiff, jenko psychologist tenure. sa sco tells of a patient who walk past it with her son. children alarm his poems and begin in from the 3rd grade. still 11th grade and the boys said mom a little gloom. what's the, what's the hold in his head? he sure did in the oh, maybe they didn't know that again goes nasha is our national hero. the boy leg, you know, it was his pain. there are painful reminders everywhere, including right across the street from the market on ship. jenko swear, niger. everybody in bar jacket seems to know the story of this building. when russian shelling started, people took shelter inside its basement as they're supposed to do,

but they were trapped by the rebel. for around a month they cried out for food and water and people tried to bring it to them. snipers held them at bay. so there are feelings of helplessness and the fear that the war is following you. when it started this couple thought it would be over in days and never get close. but celine with that, i do eve, what apple is shelling from the russian multiple launch rockets system hit the playground where my wife and child were leave watching were still hopeful. she got fragments in her leg. shell hola! moscow. the 3 or squall of yellowish i was sent to the hospital in jer, tamiya, and then she told me it was bombed. it was very difficult, psychologically difficult to for those who can't even express their fear with words yet my child is scared now even the words air alarm he understands and he trembled . any noise? my son he is, he runs to me and starts hugging me mom. tanya takes me aboard what she calls the

psychological brigade van town. we use this car for visit in to this small village is busy called us several times a day and explain about the problem, especially, you know, it's very difficult situation for mothers with many children when they don't have father, their father is a soldier and goes there and use a book to people, the russians destroyed the building that used to house tanius communities, psychological support service. now they're set up in a school. the biggest challenge she says, is grief. it's really difficult to find the words how to say that you should leave again, but yes, we are trying to find because they, you should, they should leave because it will be the memory was them will live the memory of those people and so on. and so forth, it's difficult but, but we do this every day outside the school children wait for their parents,

tanya and the other psychologist said the big job is going to be helping kids make sense of what they have seen and heard and continue to see around them only then can healing and bore jenko truly begin. ah, the president of china and the us have talked for the 1st time in months and a cold dominated by tensions over taiwan. china considers the island part of its territory, although it governs itself democratically. joe biden is offered to come to, ty, one's defense. if china tries to be united with the mainland, us asked freakin nancy pelosi said to be planning a visit to the island in chinese state media. say as you've been paying a warrant against it, say those who play with fire will only get burnt and see i go through this. i sound like fighting talk with a professor. show the rigor from davidson college in north carolina. and she specializes in the relationships between the us, china and taiwan. welcome professor. from what we know of cold has anything

changed materially between these countries and their positions? i think it's really hard to say that something has changed to materially already, but i think the call is significant in a couple of ways. first of all, the fact that it happened means that she didn't ping and president joe biden are trying to talk to one another and trying to navigate through this very difficult moment. and then the 2nd thing that i think is no or the out of this conversation is that president biden affirmed, that u. s. policy has not changed. and while i don't think that p r c leadership always entirely believes that president biden and other american leaders when they say that the fact that he is saying it is, i think, a sign of again, an effort to navigate through rather than to continue moving toward a real crisis,

it's interesting, this idea that the u. s. policy hasn't changed because president biden said earlier this, we have this, this notion of, of constructive ambiguity. and we had biden, a few weeks ago saying that yes, america would come to tie one's eye. and he then sort of rode back on it. so if american policy on taiwan hasn't changed, does everybody know what it is? well, that's an excellent question, and i think u. s. policy on taiwan is a very subtle and complex kind of topic. but the fundamental character of us policy toward taiwan is and i think providing captured this in his remarks with present she today. the policy is that the u. s. doesn't support a unilateral change at is either the p r c, trying to coerce taiwan to do what it ons or taiwan trying

to run afoul of what the p r c wants in order to permanently alter its status so that the u. s. position is we don't really care where the p r c and taiwan end up. but our, it is a strong interest of the united states is very important to the united states. that wherever you go, you go there peacefully and neither side tries to force the other. so sometimes the u. s. emphasizes, we don't want to see china or that we don't want to see the p. r. c coercing. i was about preserving the status quo. why has it suddenly become so much more contentious that the notion of taiwan i think part of what's going on here is that the p r c has become more sort of forward leaning on many issues

as it's international power, comprehensive, national power, you know, military, economic and diplomatic has increased, it has become more willing to make the demands that have been longstanding interest of the p r c. but it maybe in the past was not quite so assertive about, but the other thing that's going on is that i think the peer or see perceived that the u. s. is also pushing taiwan to become more assertive on its side. and i think what we see right now is the p r c working very hard to kind of push back on the u. s. encouragement of taiwan. thank you. that's very clear, professor shopping rigor from donors and college. thanks very much on day is almost done, but the conversation continues on line. you'll find us on twitter,

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