ah, it's taking a lot of people by surprise, preliminary results from a referendum in the conservative us state of kansas, indicate that people have voted to protect abortion rights. the proposed amendment to the states constitutional board have allowed state legislators to bad or significantly restrict abortions. so where the campaigners on both sides go. now i'm fil galen, but in this is the day. ah maybe like a me might be mel brent. i mean i just, i feel really proud to be at hand tonight. i think it's ridiculous that in 2022 i'm

having to vote for my own personal, right. the people that are losing life have no boys to people like me, don't speak for them, but i do not want any more rights taken away that we will not tolerate extreme fans on abortion in our state. ah, ah, with also coming up, activists are calling for an independent investigation. after dozens of africa migrants died. trying to enter the you through a spanish enclave. a survivor told the dublin years how he had been treated. they need to even in the floor. the heat use home, you know, after you knockout, you know, if you don't know anything, you come move they, they will leave you. if you can move there, will he to tell you, you can, will welcome to the day that the issue of abortion has

divided the united states in race months in june, the supreme court overturned roe vs wade. that was the ruling that legalized abortion nationwide in $973.00, june's decision triggered several states and lower courts to re examine decisions and laws that restricted access to terminations. the kansas referendum was not about banning or restricting abortion, but about whether the states constitution should explicitly state that kansans had a right to an abortion. if the republican move had passed and remove this, then the next move was likely to try to either band or restrict abortion provision . kansas is a conservative state which donald trump one easily in the 2020 election referendum was the 1st test of vote, a sentiment on abortion rights since that supreme court decision. it was the resounding results and the cause. the celebration, the pro choice advocates, 59 percent of voters chose to protect abortion rights in

a largely conservative us state with ties to the anti abortion movement. for some, the relief was palpable. you were out of even kansas and i and i be like, wait a hear me my email brandon, everyone again. i mean we are protecting others. still, the kansas poll as an indicator that plans to restrict access to abortion out of step with the public mood. if abortion rights are, are, are, are protected here in kansas. and again, republican leading state. i think that that indicates that there is a big did the states that had those trigger was probably are out of stuck with what their electorate was. abortion opponents who supported the proposed amendment, said they felt an obligation to protect the rights of the unborn. ah, but when we pull back and look at the scientific evidence of what happens in that one, not the emotion and not the fact that i'm,

i feel like i'm losing something. the people that are losing life have no voice. if people on their own, like me, don't speak for them. the strongly held views on both sides were reflected in a sometimes bitter campaign. but the decisive vote to keep abortion protections in the state constitution indicates a clear determination from kansas citizens to protect women's rights. well, white house issued a statement shortly after those preliminary results were announced. it reads in part of this vote makes clear what we know. the majority of americans agree that women should have access to abortion and should have the right to make their own health care decisions. in get more from d w 's or stefan simons in washington. welcome stefan. so this an unexpected win for abortion rights in a republican stronghold. ah,

that's unexpected times 2 times 10. if you like, kansas is a ruby, read states can't get any more read more conservative than kansas they say. and here, sir, what happened to you? we just started in the report. people are major turner by the way, 900000 people went to the went to the paulson. that is more than 2 years, 4 years back from now before a so the turn out had something to do with it. and there is also a clear indication for that kansans didn't want any alter to alteration to their constitution and wanted to remain in their constitution the right for an abortion right. so what does this tell us about the effects of july supreme court ruling or is actually a nother indicator, an indication for what we already know through the polls that 60 to 70 percent of the americans. they really dis, like the supreme court decision. they didn't want robi,

the weight overturned and now they have it now it is at the states. and now, as you can see, as republicans and conservative politicians as well, anti abortion activists will scale up their efforts through all the states in the united states to go on with the banning abortion or further restricting abortion. there will be a counter wave. now, at least that's what the democrats expect and what, what a via anti abortion can been saying about this particular result. it's, as you said, sounds like this is far from over. yeah, they're shaking it off for sort of speak there. of course, saying that this is not the result that hope for, but that they will try again and again. and again. this is what this anti abortion, the segment of the population in the us and the politicians who work with them. do they chisel away over years and years and years decades actually, until they soften up the ground so to speak and make them change or so the kansans

a conservative legislator will probably not rest and let this just be and other more of these votes are coming up across the states in the wake of that supreme court decision. yes sir, this will be rolling through the states through kind of all the states. there are few democratic says here where he said this is not going to happen. there won't be any referendum. and they are democratically controlled by democrats, of course. but you can assure our can assure the deep south of the united states as well as other west midwest states will have that same procedure, maybe not a, a vote constitutional but conservative politicians trying to change the law. busy and push this through their legislature looking ahead to november the mid term elections president biden gave a prediction. we'll take a listen combat you. what is the case in a powerful saying that this for the american people go to preserve protector,

right? and refusal that can be ripped away by politicians and my administration has their back 7 simons, that does the president have a point? is this likely to be an issue? it's got to be an issue, a 100 percent guarantee it. it has to be an issue and he is why? because the democrats actually hoping that it will working on that it becomes an issue because this is how they can reli their clientele. this is how they can rally the troops against trump, against conservative concern policies, against republicans, and the vehicle to do this best as they figure out right now. and we're have figured out before actually. and now if feel that they are a that this is confirmed, they will try to frame abortion rights are under attack your, you in your freedom and your liberty are under take women's bodies. women proceed per se, or under a tech with those. with the conservative agenda,

you need to come to the, the, the polls, midterm elections and votes. democratic, so they'll use this politic politically. that's for sure. thank you. for instance, that simon's in washington let me little fields of boston based journalist for the nation, and she focuses on reproductive rights as she told me more. and she gave me her reaction to this a surprise result. i mean, it's an absolutely astounding victory. i think many of the people, the abortion rights activists that i was following during my reporting trip to kansas. we're optimistic, cautiously optimistic that they might win, but everyone thought it would be close. and this is just a landside lot landslide, it's an unequivocal message to democrats and republicans alike about the popularity of abortion rights, despite what the kansas state legislature and the supreme court might want to do. and, and this is hugely,

hugely significant. i think especially coming this close to the midterms, i think it's really clear that a sleeping giant of the pro choice majority in this country has been awakened by the overturn roe v wade. i talked to a lot of people who were to interrupt you. i'm interested in why you think it went this way. there was a quote that was an unusually large turn out to now do you do think that this was a form that crossed a right left lines? you think there were republicans voting for loose or was it just leaf? yes. i know there were a republican voting for this because i talked to republican women who are voting for this. i mean, i think 1st of all, this election had been scheduled during a primary when turn out was expected to be low and heavily republican and clearly an enormous number of people turned out. i mean, turn out as high as 50 percent, potentially, you know, the population of kansas is only 3000000 and they're estimating more than 900000 people. turned out i talked to republicans. i talked to one woman who is

a friend of the assassinated abortion provider. doctor george tiller, she was booting in taylor's former church. it was a precinct place and she said, i'm a died in the will republican, but i am voting no. she told me this very quietly. i know they're republicans for republican women out there who voted no, and kansas also has a huge percentage of an affiliated voters. 30 percent about of the electorate is, is not affiliated with either political party. i think it will take some time, but i think an enormous amount of credit goes to the grassroots organizers on the ground in kansas who are knocking doors, phone banking, people who never volunteered or participated before. who came out to participate in pain in this historic time, you are going to vote out. and despite the way that this vote has gone, it comes as if it's still not the world's most liberal state, just just give us an idea about the, the state of, for, of kansas is abortion rights. as i stand presently, i mean abortion is heavily restricted in kansas, you know it's,

it's banned after 22 weeks. there's a 30 minute waiting period that has to be done between when a doctor conducts an ultrasound and when the process can go ahead. when i was in the clinic on dr. taylor's former clinic, which, which remains open in wichita, kansas, the counseling room has all these ministry certificates on the wall because the counselors either have to be license social workers or they have to be trained ministers. and so they've all gotten ministry certifications to do abortion counseling. so i mean, it's actually heavily restricted and they're dealing with an enormous influx of patients from texas, oklahoma, and surrounding states where abortion is no longer an option for those patients. ok, thank you for allowing that so clearly for journals to ab littlefield in boston. thank you. thank you. ah, a human rights groups, according for an independent inquiry into the death of at least $27.00 migrants on the spanish morocco border. a preliminary investigation conducted by morocco found

that most the victims probably suffocated when up to 2000 people tried to storm the border in maliyah. in late june, the tiny spanish exclaims of maria and filter are the european union's only land borders with africa, making them a focus for migrants and refugees. a correspondent young phillip shots, travel to morocco to see what was going on. you may find some of the images at the start of his report disturbing. ah, moroccan border guards round up and attack people trying to get over the fence, even violence and content in a situation with no solution for either side. it's difficult to tell who was alive and who might be dead or truen was there that day that he'd you even in the floor the heat use homework after you knock out,

you know, if you don't know anything, you come move they, they will leave you. if you can move there, will he to tell you you can move. we meet a troon in the derelict school in casablanca, where he's been living, he level serious accusations against the spanish police. he says he had already reached european territory where he was seeking asylum. but he maintains the officers forcibly deported him. they send you back to the morrow kit. sometimes they are allowed to morrow. can police peter inside to pull you out? local journalists, javier on gusto was inside the spanish city of melia. when crowds stormed the border in june, he confirms a trans account. with a miracle more, i saw several dozen migrants minus we'll get over the model and know it out of her new illegally devoted straight away. i recommend going up with i didn't even have

like john's to came asylum. you up with me. i don't want a spanish police simply send them back. that would be, oh my god. that's illegal. under international law. many of the migrants were from countries entitling them to refugee status in europe. we put the claims to the head of the regional government where there might be one or 2 cases that have been many attempts to get across the border. recently. we were all worried about the wall, rising green prices and missile, and people going hungry, or they are real consequences from all of that or less realty. i was totally midway . melia is a small city with a population of around $90000.00. it's one of the few european territories, which has a land border with africa. journalist javier says spain as happy to pay out millions to its african neighbors to keep migrants back from its border. matter

because i felt alex morocco basically does not know the world for us. we want to be seen as a beacon for human rights, but yeah. who are able to help. lucky in this fence, for example, was previously especially wishes dipole freezer shop, bob lawyer. and i'm rights activists complained that the spanish took it down to that that but then spin just paid morocco more money than what i mean. and now exactly the same res offense has gone up on the other side. it be not in a level several spanish cities saw protests after the unrest on june 24. the interior minister now has to testified before the european parliament, but the prime minister pedro sanchez has praised the security forces on both sides . back in morocco, a true remains. undeterred. he's already tried 10 times to get into spain, and he's ready for attempt number 11. let's discuss this with daphne partner. your tato suzanne senior act advocate for europe refugees international. she joined us

from washington dc. welcome to d, w. can we start with your reactions to the allegations of brutality by spanish police and that spanish american police work together to illegally push migrants back across the border? well, certainly these are just heretic images that we've seen and coming from the attempt in june to cross the border. and it really just enforces how policies of external pile and procedures and closing borders and village rising borders. really just has tremendous human costs for people who are simply seeking protection and are denied the ability to do so. by authorities. do you think that the brutality that has been a lead? do you think that is systemic, rob van and exceptional? i think it is, and it, it reflects a broader trend of kind of criminalizing and,

and securitized response is to asylum and migration throughout the, you know, this is not the 1st time that we have seen a brutality use violence used at the border at the borders i'm sure many listeners will remember the rift video we saw of young men trying to cross the fence in the back in, in march. that was was widely circulated. and certainly we know that not just on the land borders, but also in attempts to cross the sea to reach the you, including the canary islands, through the atlantic. many people lose their lives because they have to resort to these very dangerous means of reaching the u. s, in the absence of safe and legal migration channels. reports i've read about was that these are exclaim, say there was chaos as anywhere between 150-2000 people. rush. the

border tried to scale 2 sets of 6 meter fences to get to the spanish territory. so in practical terms, how do you believe the police should have reacted? well, i just want to, to reinforce that i, the excessive use of force is not allowed in these in any circumstance, certainly, countries do have the right to manage their borders, but that does not justify the use of excessive force and violence, and the violations of people's human rights to life and i haven't seen what was there, but i'm sure that everybody absolutely accepts what's more to say about the use of excessive force. but 1500 to 2000 people are rushing out. you're in practical terms . what do you think of those police should have been doing? well, i would just come back to really looking at the underlying causes of these kinds of

situations. which is that if there were safe and legal channels and, and more easily accessible access to international protection for asylum seekers and migrants, people wouldn't have to resort to such desperate desperate means. i mean, we've seen you can look at a very clear contrast to the situation we see on the you borders with you praying where facilitating entry of people seeking asylum seeking protection from serious situations has really reduced a lot of the kinds of risk in chaos as you describe it that we saw on the borders here. so that provides really a stark contrast that shows the importance of maintaining open borders and facilitating access to protection. you would say that there are safe and legal uh, channels. people come apply from outside. certainly when it comes to migration for full financial purposes. well,

i think the important thing to emphasize is that certainly i would say if there is not enough, there aren't enough legal legal challenge not, not easily accessible enough for many of the people who need them, who are looking to migrate freakonomics opportunities. but more importantly, but the thing to emphasize here is that the right to seek asylum is a human right. it is not illegal to ask for asylum and by summarily preventing people from even accessing a territory from even being able to request asylum authorities are making assumptions about their intentions. their motivations without actually giving people access to their right to request that asylum to make their claim. not every country certainly don't have an obligation to grant everyone asylum, but they do have an obligation to review a claim of anyone who intends, who would like to seek asylum. and by simply pushing people back,

preventing them from accessing the territory. you deny them that right and you deny them the ability to make to make their claim for protection. and so we can't just look, we can't just look across the border across the sea and identify who is a quote with you. so hold a 2nd nomic my asylum seeker, unjust. in july we saw the american court sentence to 33 migrants 11 months in jail for what they called illegal entry and disobedience after by cross. after i tried to cross the border wall between morocco and billy in june, i'm guessing that you would regard that as a wrong decision, as well. indeed, and it's not the only instance it in the u and, and globally in which we've seen the criminalization of asylum seeking. i'm, it's very important to ensure that we don't do that. it's not an effective deterrent mechanism, nor is it just us and, and what they just just survive running on time. i just wanted to just pick up on this idea of the legality. are you saying that that all countries should have

no rules on how people are access them and therefore you can come any way you like. well, there are rules, there are international laws that govern annisa. you break them, why shouldn't you be prosecuted? oh, but one of those rules is under international law is the right is the obligation to allow people to seek asylum and what happened here is that that, that chance is not even given. right. ok, i'm, this keeps happening. and particularly in these 2 at glaze and of course at europe's borders. so this points to a larger problem, as you would say. indeed it's, it's a regional trend that we've seen. both the, the use of pushback, as the council of europe recently reported un special operators have reported on

the use of pushback, throughout the u. n. globally, in fact, but also the externalization of asylum, the reliance on 3rd countries to, to implemented quite often quite forceful means of preventing people from even trying to migrate or trying to seek asylum rather than taking responsibility themselves in the u. thank you for joining us out for your partner. you're taught us from that refugees international. thank you very much. dave's omen. the day is almost done, but conversation will continue online if you like. you can find this on twitter either at cdw. we can follow me at so gail, before we leave at a good news, the cargo vessel and v. rezone loaded with ukraine, south 1st, maritime grain shipments since rushes invasion has been cleared by turkish, inspectors to travel up to its destination lebanon. to relieve you with these images off the ship transiting a turkish boss for a straight. i've a good thing

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