record breaking, i max and now also in book form. i am going to go here in iowa sexual assault survivor stem to stay and say the truth. her women in asia are bad, the fee is capable, nothing can stop me. that is he can go into his week ah, hello and welcome to another edition of the program made for you. the 77 percent african youth majority. i'm your host, eddie, micah junior. from egypt to sedan on lights area. major youth lead protest having seen across africa when more

often than not these protests and in black shed. and loss of lives. in nigeria, people are still trying to get their voices head after the 2020 and sauce protests that are the lead us listening. either kamani went to lagos, to talk to victims on authorities, to find out why the and sas demonstrations turned ugly. and what can be done to prevent the killings from happening again. this week on the 77 percent street debate or short on my church, the blood piers come out from the park the, the process will occur hijacked by some good, lonesome colonels, 48, just to protect the protests was attacked. so who attacked these brutus? the purchase was at sacked using government's own properties, governments own assess ah,

hello and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in nigeria. more specifically, lagos, the city that gave us fella could t, who, by the way, in 1977 in his title track for the album, them give us them leave tears, sorrow, and blood explained to how the police officers were up a time. brutalizing, the citizens of nigeria fast forward to 2020 and his words still resonated as young people gathered to protest what they said was ill treatment by the police officers until we're here to find out why do african government seems so threatened by protest held by the youth who better to answer this question for me than fellow nigerian. and i'm going to start with by i'm and so i just want you to give us an overview of what happened in 2020 because not everybody has a clear idea. so i basically began with a lot of discontent and unhappiness and rage against the specialized robbery squad

of the major on police. it's. it's been a long time coming. so there was a lot of built pent up resentment. and youth just felt like you know what enough is enough, our forces are not hurt. our voices are not to can seriously. and like, that's all, as if they were coordinated. protests were happening in major cities in the southern parts of the country, especially. okay, i'm, let's hear from suffer because i understand you are the protest as well. and obviously we wouldn't be talking about these protest if they hadn't ended in unfortunately death. so how did it come to be that something that started organically and at, in bloodshed? i think one of the selling points alcala, that of the and suss protest was that there was no coordinated leadership. right at the, the process where organic and people just appointed themselves to, you know, coordinate, collect, and distribute resources. there was a lot of heavy politicize and like in the f city where some of the boys who

disrupted the protest, testified that they were given 5 and an error or so you could easily by street power. yeah. by anyone. ok, let me hear from matthew aka precious stone. oh, who was not only at the protest, but unfortunately actually ended up being shot. so perhaps that by telling us what took you to the protest, why did you feel that it was so important for your voice to be heard that day? many times files are stored me on it. why do you do your ladies as i'm no, i'm no you? oh boy, because they're believing and you know where you live fi or where you to enjoy your bad boy. oh boy, i'm no one of them. always, always should emma and i've talked and i was just, i sweat me to give them money. but when a hardy, to that people, when you told me julia will godaddy let top this sucks to clean offense. it is of this country. so i need to johnny porter. yes. fully. can you explain to me how you

felt when you got there? what was the energy like, how did you feel in the early hours jack missouri was so lovely, but i never believed, hadn't enjoyed. i use goof. cool. sure. sure, peacefully yeah. get flagged in july flag atlas, russia dizzy. what we entitled to comma to to so to speak, or what is no good or bad? our country. what are the shore? alright. peaceful, lovely energy with virus. ok, let me come to an officer who they in here because obviously the police officers actually what the receiving end doing is protest. being accused of not just brutalizing young people and harassing them. is this true? would you say in your estimation? yes, actually we have on same reports of police officers been excessive in their use of force. but still it didn't mean that the entire police force was, was brutal or was insensitive to the plight of the youth. and these are things

we're looking into. we have of departments on the follow up looks into these complaints, but i guess people have had enough all the fels, we're not moving fast enough. okay. um, i want to hear from allow me day because i see that your hair style is dread locked, which i understand in this country can be a way for people to be targeted. have you experience some of the things at p 2 p, peter was saying this because obviously aroused by selfish as lot of time to try to that the car should we know to happen. i'm in the cloud also. i'll pick up by for now. do you into a record you to an out of the south in southport? this is the from, to not laugh. does god mean to join the discount? cause i don't know. did go go outside that. i'll get shots because most of it i got up at his, i was up at the inside with his coffee does reduced the harassment. darcy, okay. got it out about as a game you plus muffled you for the buddhist could absolutely pulls us or asked me to pull up my s 5 vote to put as when, if i go out,

i'm going to push on out the country, lead me to we deliver to sergeant that our catalog, i'll get them out that do not the right to such my full mouth blood get my food from the young boy. we 1st got as an internet for stuff, we don't want to know what you're doing. first of all, future outsourcing is asked to stop out of him to join the buddhist. okay. now i should mention 2 of you was that of course saws as a squad was later disbanded, although young people here say that it was quickly replaced with a force that was very similar to that. but coming back to you of his own day and j . j no you he, i'm going to come back to you. i had reports while preparing for this. the people would even have their telephones checked to have police officers looked through their bank account balance and have and force them to to withdraw money. is it true? yeah, i mean how, how, how does it get to that point? okay. yeah it's, it's very wrong for in police officer to check in with his foreign bank account. and we, we appreciate those people who just don't complain and just maybe make maybe

rounds on twitter. pardon my language around on twitter, but people actually step to say, oh, this police of says did this, we actually want to gets such reports and when we get them, we are bringing this officers and make them face on disciplinary action. what is actually wrong? and if i'm say this, i'm not saying i'm not trying to defend this bad behavior, it's not in the face, but you know, statistically you see that most times certain crimes are committed by sutton is group and the often not always, but they often have this look this tattoo and these, i mean yeah, yeah, that's profiling profiling. yes. but for a police officer, what are we saying? nobody in nigeria should wear dreadlocks. like i said from the beginning of this, these not a defense. but as a police officer, i remember the last 10 people that's confessed to this particular crime. i actually have seen in this is the cool character is maybe not physical,

but in this is you would not, you would not blame me if i say somebody which doesn't. this is, and the 1st thing that comes, my mind is, or the last employer is that okay, let me come to j j because he's laughing at your comment. i'm not sure if it's because he thinks it's funny. i share your thoughts j j. so i was laughing because he was fits in perfectly into the bureau spectrum of buyer, sir. and he was literally admit, seen by us as a police officer. no 4th of he says he's human. but so the next level, as the police officer and as a, as an institution is to 1st of all, admitted by us that they are by us to was go you for people, i call i media. and between them up and doing all of those things. and also to understand the collect the responsibility of everyone. okay. are we there means that if i'm moving on, i should carry, i should have my id card to make it easier to identify myself. would i make it easier for the officer su, duty or job?

and as long as every young nigerian does not feel safe, no, because of hon. so because of their own police, when they go out at night, when the address is setting way, then we've not done enough. people continue to get brutalized receipt every day on social media. we will continue to get bullied people continue to take him to the atm to, to get to withdraw. money doesn't need to change. but what's also as changes that he got me now knows that even though the super or no out on the street, they can go on the streets when necessary. okay, voice, let me come back to suffer here because yes, that the government knows that now young people can mobilize the can organize themselves. but they've also come up with innovative ways to suppress that democratic space. i mean, are we moving one step forward to steps back? the government can do everything possible to maintain its power, like the twitter been, for example. but i think that one of the major gains of a protests in generally and sauce in particular is the effect. it has on the people,

the people know that they can talk, the people know that he can demand, and the government knows that the people can demand, protest is a signal, is an indication of a dysfunctional system. and oh, once people start to protest to the government knows that we're doing something wrong and a citizen has has noticed it, and the citizen is complaining. what happens next? okay. um you said that things could be moving in the right direction because the government knows that people can't talk. but pity i want to hear from you because i know you might be of a different opinion. you are telling me earlier that you feel fearful, you know, despite the fact that the government admitted its fault and said, we should have shot you and you were given compensation, you still don't feel safe for her. you does no compensation, notting since they wanted to partner our one every to you doesn't look not upon martinez. i'm telling you yes. so he vi, anybody that you send out of giving anybody composition notting us up on our shot

on my church, the blood tears come out from the back yet. so i know the kennel big things that dinner as typical in the political have structural, almost segment worship too. and each go for scar, voided because his dead new job anymore on a tango for what judges that he's talking about. id got id gotten injured. i need to be frank is useless. hello. usually because many ties go out, which i did god. when there are a lot going to bring it out to just collect it. unclear to. i'm this kid. what, what are you scared of? i'm scared of my life because they adjusted angry god meant asked the angry polish estie angry because you can't come out challenged them. the court of law was short with this good. so the pictures, the book, it was so crazy. i says, and nobody as urban tongue, what was somebody like it, sir? i blame the cause, said i by you, i don't know the name. don't give up what you goober. i get our kudos. i don't know

if i can using the language. if you chose one, rob lee. yeah. judge college been a lady so vibrant, so clearly. so kind. right. so by the way i should mention out there she is. we were just talking about you sarah, has just joined us as a lady that matthew was speaking so generously about. she unfortunately was late because of lagos traffic, but we understand and welcome. so we were just recapping what happened during the protest and i sort of as to what you know, in the long term and in the short term what was achieved we heard from matthew is that he still feels fearful, unfortunately. but he bolstered because of people like you. so what would you say keeps you so brave and encouraging people like matthew, the use of language area are very free to extremely brief. so the thing is the protest happen year, but uh, we actually got in what we needed. we've gotten some parts of it, but we still need more. and we are able,

and we are proud that we're able to get about $200.00 families. we're able to get them justice and they get just daily. i mean, we're the people who are behind those shootings arrested. for example, if you want to start seeing that she needs people to get arrested. it has to be a different ball game. we're in a country whereby yeah, allah, judy shall, system is not respected. it is not respected by the politicians. it is no respected by those who actually made a judicial system to stand. the panels that were actually said above already said these people need the fees do attend up. so office i want to come back to you because p t said very passionately that police officers are still angry because the youth dead to challenge the authority, they dare to stand up against you. or is this how you're feeling? honestly. i tunes are, grew within, but police officers are angry because of answers. we knew that the youth started the zone. brutus when at rollins,

where college got so it will be the process where our term, hijacked by some hoodlums from coming out on her. i think you should use the right, i think. okay, the right word of the protest. whenever a jack, nobody i jacks to protect the protests was attacked. so who attacked these brutus? the process was attacked using government's own properties, government's own assets, governments the own vacant. so if you want to start asking questions they want, so are you suggesting, sarah, that the people, the young hoodlums, as the officer has called them here, who infiltrated the protest was sent by the government? this is a very serious claim. i am not suggesting i am saying you're saying it on the day on the 9th of the lackey massacre, we were able to get about swing to one people with the same shapes of i mean the same shipped of caught last like this, mush, etc. the same, they had the same tags on each, so it was like they were given to them. so we got about 20 to one of these people.

like you see swan, we took them, i was the, i took them, i still have ice. i mean, most did all the videos we played at the panel that was actually what made the panel to which their decision, which so this people to the police. and guess what? we are told that they are not their problem. all right, let's come back to the office a. i think it's important that you able to respond and we'll look at the answers. protest about everybody turns a blind eye to the fact that many police sessions we are tracked. many police sessions were bonds down. i don't know if you, if you're aware that many police officers were killed, well police officers will be heard they live and many, many people is us where, where are rusted on eating. these are facts and many rifles were cut to the way. and we lost v, who's human resources, master resources. so it was, and i will tell you that when this process started, i will check what they were fighting for. many of us were happy because our, our welfare was part of it so, so,

so some was behind the scene where given them this not like, go ahead, we're going to benefit from okay. so how did it come to be that then? people who are armed by the government are opening fire on their own citizens who are. and i am going to ask you if, if that statement is a statement or fox, will you tell me who else has fire arms in this country? who will police were oh, the every day yesterday the voice there will cover firms from hoodlums. okay, so the police in this a bit loud in our aides let. let's see away from there for a 2nd. i want to come back to you by because earlier cephas had something important that protests are a symptom of a dysfunctional society. and i'm curious if you know, because we've understood that starz was just sort of the, the, the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. but the underlying issues of poverty of unemployment are still there. so what happens now,

structural issue is will remain the poverty, the unemployment, inflation, exchange rates and balances are insecurity. and these have to be seen within the backdrop of the authoritarian nature of nigerian culture. really, can you explain that? so often times young people are told to keep quiet, you know what, you know, why should you talk when elders talking and i mean, other people much more intelligent than me have said nigeria has the characteristics of a jar on talk or see where leadership is kept within the hands of old men. so these are people who are making decisions for the country for young people that they have no idea about. i want to hear from allow me to hear why keep electing these old men who don't have any care for you? why elect them the average the system the of the, of the blood, their stroke to was what the rules time out. he's going to be different game of those oils. loss it on the balcony door to door sit ins. business green, i dunno,

was nice. garage is my son was it is my bed right up to get the well, this time i will let the loop. should it are missing. would you wrong to negotiate? oh okay. j j let's, let's, let's hear from me is good to hope that. i mean hope is, is free is good to hope that is going to be a different game. there were electrons immediately offer and sauce. and the thought i was on of lewis irvine, the history of the country. does that surprise you though? it doesn't, it doesn't. and we have to say things the way they are right now. there is nothing to say, daddy voting dynamics of 90 right? in terms of voter turnout in other because we put our vote on or the opportunity of woodson will change with the lessons that are coming in less than a year. yeah. all right, so i guess now i have a critical question which is why protest in the 1st place because they'll always be problems and they'll always be dysfunction in governments. so i take the risk, especially if it leads to loss of life. so if i'd like to hear from you 1st for the common man or on the street, what you expect them to. yeah, too much to ask

a rock or to do what that is the way that they know how to register their displeasure. and it's legitimate in the sense that every citizen has a right to expression. so i think protest i effective in their own way. yeah. and we have seen them be very, very effective in other parts of africa, from egypt to my very own country of kenya. and i'm wondering from you a p t, would you ever participate in a protest again, given what happened to you again and again and again again and again, we noted moody or no doubt by that you can't breathe. sincerely speaking, we know that the, our web, our comments are crazy, so we still need to be crazy. so we need to be created by brenda to look also, due to necessity being good. now a butare cod rule to all those things is not by saudi is not by. okay, look at it. yeah, look at it. will you please? but glory, be to god we exist or we move right porch car. we got just his draw. ward knew the

true to so i yeah, sure. i think this is one of the games here. protests activism. right? it could be that before the protest, he was chilling doing his thing, but participating in the protest, it bets a spirit of accountability. you start to a lot of the activists that we have now. we're best on to purchase the ground. they cannot be too much, right? they hold the government to account the money or the reports governance processes. so i think that is one of the major gains of a protest, the birthing of an activism or activist conscious spirit, young and citizen. okay. and now earlier we spoke about responsibility. and i want to come back to you of his own day in because looking to the future in the example that i gave of egypt. and i'm thinking about sudan a south africa's in bob way. so of wendy's protest also end up in bloodshed. what

can we do so that the next time young nigerians, which will negatively happen, which will inevitably happen, come together to produce something. they're not met by bullets. well, and says was a learning process for everyone, for the youths, for the security agencies and pos clellan police. so they will protest this to happen again on most often. the way we tell people does, if you want to protest, please inform the security agencies. if we know you're going to protest, we have to put certain measures in place to make sure it's not. i chuck's glass on i said i checked everybody else. i can look it up. ok. so that was good. my years in place to mitchell that there is no at sack and i'm going forward. like you said inevitably, processes going to happen again, but we hope we're violence. we hope that it will become bloated next time. okay, sarah, i want to hear from you solutions going forward because like i said, inevitable protests will happen here. every single person in danger, once

a better nature, people are always still going to protest is one thing about being government is one thing about being in a country is how are you going to? you don't, you don't treat people like the animal. so the goldman needs to learn how to talk to dis seats is, is because citizens are the part the government needs to understand that you need to constantly talk to these people. you need to consulting, talk to people so that you can know what their grievances are. and how to meet them in to me to okay, what i'd like to hear from you are allow me day in the future. what do you think young people need to do to make the conversation easier between government and yourselves? police officers and yourselves do do what magog use fossil try to get into paula, how do you mean it's really, really $70000.00? it's within the algebra. within the us it's dr. would also discussing what else would play for a future, but i love it. don't budget and also just reach out to our grants in june or lime and also put as mitchell gets involved in politics. an idea here in northeast north

we cannot control ladies. okay. j j started by quoting fella equity, the great master of music, and the things that he was singing about in his album of 1977, a still very much resonating today. how do we stop that cycle? festival is to say that the quest where you bet us a site that you never end in one, and that's not unique to niger i universe, our demo. chris is like the america that i've owed up to 50 years old and over they continue to about 43 don't. so it's not a question of how do we stop them? is the question of how do we make lives better every and then for government to understand your people. i know your enemies, wendy, go out to put taxes because we are asked you for better of you. yeah. which essentially actually helps you because you swore to uphold the constitution by with such peculiar conclude with you. what do you see for the future of this country, posts and thoughts? brutus, i think understanding that we form as use a critical mass that can really move the needle forward, is something that we need to take very seriously. i mean, we form like 60 percent of that area. the best we could do is get up pvcs and you

know, again, referencing what g g said about the difficulty and seeing change. there's a direct relationship between how much change you want to see and how much effort and work you're willing to put in. the more work you put in a better change, you will see. all right, well, that's a fantastic place to wrap up this debate. the sun is going down. it's so beautiful here and actually feel really good in my heart, which so rarely happens at the end of debates. but that's because the young people here are protest threatening to governments perhaps. but what i've heard today resoundingly is that they use the logo tire. thank you for watching the 5 edith and all you participants. that was a very informative discussion. we have to continue protecting our democratic rights, and a bullets from authorities should not be the answer. thanks

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