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an emotional reunion for many of the musicians including chalice. do you have jim dove bush and his wife, a violinist on a v. clover, who hadn't seen each other since the beginning of russia's invasion? like most here they hoped they'll soon play full concerts again in their home country ukraine. ah, ah, it will change it. nina is coming up next, the documentary, looking at efforts to save the brain forest. in brazil, i remember you can always find one use in all website. it's d w dot com. i've told the old lady will stay with us for a vibrant habitat ended go listening. place along the mediterranean sea siena l. musfar. and so far, abdul karim drift along with exploring the modern lifestyles and the editor ringing,
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ah i b m i t means forest with a forest is a sacred place where the guardian of the forest and the spirit slab man my products . again. this is where we teach our children to find a forest approach like they are site. he and the packee, brutal and meat from wild animals like monkeys applauding the forest,
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gives us everything we need to speak with a light. it's our livelihood. and it's the best school. oh, my scholar with chow, i 80 apple can't wait jewish up. um yeah. he meant for you it just the i u e g o i d e g e? no, i did play a blinker my they did. oh, how i did it a. okay. i'll not time will you send the keys? we regard the forest as our territory. egypt po, 80,
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a b a will. hi. how's it going? good. and you asked about land prices in barra? yes, i have a construction company. oh, you'd like to list and make some money in the wanted to know what lender cost a lot is like a how much in brazil only began development in the amazon around 40 years ago by state i
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ah, with la jolla. hey, greg. wow, busy what m interview recently, not only my solution. i was funny with lizzie, with our susie. these are there who services are the place we are mothering all the news that are settled. he said that he said he wanted to move into driving, although his intimate, ah, this professor muscle has in the process started under the military regime of the regions that belong to indigenous peoples. local populations. all the federal state were designated as unused by these were gradually developed by the central government, which encouraged people to move there and began issuing land ownership titles on
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the gal that was done through a legal process. but there's also a process called relies jamarcus for the illegal appropriation of large areas of rain forest. so that the land can then be sold to finance to signal their claim to an area of forest land grabbers usually just clear it of trees. and then over the years, they try to legalize the acquisition so they can make a profit off of it here. but the entire land grab process is actually initiated outside the amazon region by investors who work together with lawyers. it's a form of organized crime. ology cream in this until then is and hello, i lost you. i mean the car, where are you? oh, follow. i'm a laundry nazi. i told you land prices are going up in their farm is worth over $10000000.00 out with. i warn you by yourself some land and you'll get rid
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of that. i would listen to me this time me to caesar tonight. clearing the land. they claimed their basically signaling who it belonged to toys. gradually, however, claimed the land tries to legitimize their ownership, whether they can sell it later for a profit is also the land grab. it takes control of public health, the timber sets of a cattle ranch or giving it a veneer of legality. and he sell for land. yes, 5 or 10 years later with me in the process must be stopped. arouse will continue to lose on public land. ready large areas of unprotected rain forest, 1000000 square kilometers, a rain car is on designated public land. why it's not listed under conservation or
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indigenous land. so all the best, that's what the land grab is go off to law for the flight as long as these huge areas. the rain forest is so easy to claim a yellow game for land grabbers. that's what the way 163 connected by and sundry data saving the road many years ago, but only up to the border region of martha grocer and my little girl by the road said like that until around 2004. why? my son in school bought out. yeah, they gradually started paving lower roads. again. it was up to this time because of the stimulus program between 9 nova. so we know it's just 28 kilometers of good roads. that's being have now to i much love
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a few roads lead off highway 163 to the farms to 5. yeah. some areas are already developed and are close to the road. i was, i further away i constant that he had that in my price is very valuable to put it in with just one more kilometer a tractor tracks have covered hours from yesterday. you know what you wanted. so they were here after l. g, because he probably went that way with i got into while you're watching the area now. so the illegal loggers don't come back that it. mm
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hm. you know, the environmental crime is very common around the cities of novel progressive castillo to sonya. any take to about environmental agency bama has its headquarters mm. with that i can give you that that no one's looking for a station is carried out by organized crime. here. you can tell by the way it's carried out today, the bus is all specialized in land grabbing my with the main catalyst for the for station is and speculation with it. and you still get anything at the old way. they not anymore. right? why no, no, actually, i last frontier in the northeast. a tall underway brook in montague are also there
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planting more soil where you can forget or the frontier runs through there and through. i'm a part of it is 4000 kilometers in omaha. and here there's the 2 and a half 1000 point with the fame, with a sound you don't remember. so we often come across fake names and fake documents. when we carry out inspection that business is often done by middleman these like we have to stay on the back. so we meet the criminals, are always finding you trade that always using loopholes that make it harder to pin them down with account a lesser amount on what out in this document, i own a declares which areas have been cleared my knees and which areas are under permanent protection before my information is valuable, has an 8 o'clock if one place as well. here they wrote that
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a certain percentage of the area has been cleared. expedia that corresponds to this area here, this side of thought. but on the map and from the and we can see all of it is still covered by forest. and then the owner claimed his land was cleared a year ago so that he can use it for other purposes. like it will then he'll chopped down all the trees. by the time the environment agency gets there on the hill, insist it was logged a long time ago with blue l i s l. we are on the way to castillo to san use, a district of altamira, billable. as we flew over the region, we discovered several illegal sawmills with a lot of logs, but the sawmills had already been shut down that with our bye ah,
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the soonest trying to subvert our inspections. the bottom line is that the entire community lives off this environmental crime. that is all reality. there's not enough governmental oversight, rosie blue moon at the entrance, month. larry, if you send them away, anyone who's still there, we're taking them about that issue that us they were taking the logs to the forest . that's obvious. um, because it is he still here? oh, he was over there, it'll be gone by now. oh,
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tell me how this work equal makes me feel and i is there another saw mill over there. know, this all belongs together. come on. just like the timber stocks were documented here by the commissioner of the boy. man, this a ma did i so that 70 meters december 16th as in 2015. easy. so did i? that's an old document. quite old wood can be seen, but most of the series knew the quality gate only who owns this would profit. so i don't know if all our kids gain do so. of course you do, don't catch your farm. no box. jail on. it's not just mine. there are several entrances and other people come here to my lawyer today for yourself. it's not just my farm is also me. ask the charcoal guy there. i just let him in a book, right. double called carbajal buys. yes, because he ever permits then he says ok,
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and i know the charcoal isn't on my fine really. i'm on. well that's not my farm. the charcoal and the wood aren't years ago bought marble and it's not on my farm. and a guy, ronald on melbourne, that's your waste. i build it. my mil hasn't been in operation for 2 years now. that's not true. do you see wood shavings? any work of this wood? if you're so smart, look and see if there are any wood shavings that we saw it from the air you've you . it is no way my logs have been here for over 2 years. not that look at your satellite pictures from 2 years ago. come down me, tell him that i shall go on to the bay. i'm all right. calm down and is as so carrying out an inspection. and remember, you're a business window to behave like one thing for me, but as we're not having a punch up on the st. louis that we're inspecting your company healthcare. so please again, i'm fiscal his us on that, but it is it, though, so on. come on, i mean, calm down, why should i, how long? let me come here down. why should i take responsibility for logs that aren't mon? cuz it's your little mill. you must know who comes and goes here. you know, let's start over as adam and here. i know god little fella. this is a ha,
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it's my turn to speak. eric, we're going to inspect your company that your attitude isn't doing you any favors. sounds like that, that in the well, i'll be here all day. so keep your cool, good year. we'll inspect your company now though, and you have all day to tell us who comes in here though, and who doesn't talk money should really do that. well man, hey ansolaski, why i saw her ladders if i doesn't open as a local missile, we've been monitoring you for at least a month. if we have ariel shops with us, we know who's been coming and going all that it can just which is a seasonal position. now we're going to check things out to my, the more you corporate, the better you can defend yourself to calm down. so many other things like a one on one, as i thought, let's start and get this over with that. okay, let's go with
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those as well. hi, 6 across these are different sizes. what? floor? 55. and there was a, there that you brush f $150.00. does everything is dodgy here in your documents? missing charcoal everywhere on the logs back there or his node it all down to the you'll get 3 or 4 citations or do you mean those logs there in the forest? yes i did. i did the, you're probably the best time to buy land for soy plantations. the clock's ticking near the highway land cost close housing, rice, 2 and a half picked is all still cattle farms with half to land, but you can easily turn it into plantations. my little brother up is the border community to box the thing on the top. i was glad you got the view to buy and many
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people by are across from one another building, loading terminals, roy, their squad, the potential new shipping the through the in exactly. the 1st stop is the sometime in mac, up are they are, it gets shipped to asia and europe by my office is one of the most meals you know, some of those days. this is the next part of the cost days on the next 10 years will be decisive for the amazon region. our plan, our agenda has 3 phases. 5, you know, the 1st phase is ensuring no more rain. forest is last thing. we must protect the remaining rain far as it's not them it and reduce the pay $50.00 for a station in the next 10 years, ideally to 0 on that. but in the 2nd phase, we need to establish the foundations for success and improve economic and social
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condition. my, my, the finance, the initial goals will take 10 years. but the 3rd phase even longer, this is what we want, the amazon re shin, to serve as a yard state for the rest of brazil's i air, which in a sense is already a benchmark. but the rest of the world isn't that there's the world that will entail finding solutions to economic and social issues. economy a project that will easily take 20 years at mozilla. i filled out. we 1st have to solve the problem of deforestation because that's a cancer that threatens everything. look also to the best um, i'll be on the right path homes. but our cameras or can we solve the problem? if any is here. we want the amazon region to be an example of sustainable development where social economic and environmental aspects are all given equal weight that that will take long term investment wise will. it will take around 20 years to see a full return on that investment to was and will need about 5 years to reduce or stop deforestation does that algebra them and that will be followed by
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a period of consolidation which will lay the groundwork. the new initiatives is going to put them on some of the things amazon, if i assume the spot also moves them in the next few years, will invest between 25 to 40000000000 euros into the amazon region at the hydro power plants, new roads, power lines and mining projects, it's an unprecedented investment in this region. mental no, thank parallel and i started amazon. i shall gather this as good as visuals by the present time on the out. if those investments don't address local conditions or social and environmental factors, they could back fire or it could cause land prices to skyrocket. hill, which would attract more land grabbers and lead to more clear cutting of poplar grain forest is not on the internet as well as the food what are you saying we want to draw the boundaries ourselves for over 20 years.
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we've been fighting for the demarcation of our land. if you can. anthropological study was carried out, so that the phone i, the brazilian, a sees founded to protect indigenous culture and people could register the boundary to promote this l. a report is still in the possession of the for nie president, the but it is the to the from i was ms. uprise and she for you to xena. so a few months ago we went to brazil. yeah. to find the get it signed off by the phone i. we presented the report and 2013 and it still hasn't been signed today. i'm crossing i'm, i have the report, it's on my desk. we discussed it, but in our final consultations, a series of unanswered questions relating to this region that came up with a few. that meant we needed to consult some other people. and
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i, you know, there's a draft project for a hydro power plant. here is a delay unit that includes the dam to produce power. ha ha. if it is dam is very close to your area. yeah. and that's why we haven't signed anything yet. please. you know, we're not taking anyone else's property. we're just defending. what's ours? i'm going to say, i have a responsibility to you, you're totally in the right. but i believe and want to because if i stop believing, i wouldn't be sitting here. as a representative of who now you have to defend our interests law. it's our job to represent your interest, my thing, but parts of the government prioritize the construction of hydro power plant,
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organ or not wind power that produces energy to a damn, destroys everything. then what's left mining with that this raj? yet the thought via the fullness a lot. there are so many projects for our region open and that really worries us for each a more little cool people don't want to lose the rain forest, the fish or the trees. yes, as i live, government needs to know we won't just give in. i say fuss will been able to so, but they don't do that. let's just think in my view, building more hydro power plants like the ones we already have in the amazon region to me is not the right approach. see hydro power plants last big mining project or not the solution at, at the what? no, that ah, no, i do see that. yes, you could ask us of course, these hydro power plants are an important source of energy for the countries
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developments. what is that? imagine what it any damn in the amazon region brings with it a lot of changes when it affects habitats, are both in the water and on land, or is it their faith? i made no secret, rochelle, and it affects the relationship between water and people. the bombed our people have to the water yalu knows operating there was a good us, pamela lackey, the reservoirs in the southeast, a tortoise, a painful lesson will know. see therapy. as we look ahead to developing the amazon region, we need to take the needs of local people into account chuck this for us as well as the energy needs of the rest of the country. amazon. yeah, we can't focus on protecting a specific section of riverside. we have to make sure the river as a whole is preserved. you of my z for zebra. the only way we can insure a sustainable process of development for future generations and the amazon regional
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marzola. i even though a process we wouldn't you want in. tony goes up, it's like said that it hasn't quite astonishing 40 years into these make projects and we haven't changed our approach. typically, they leave us with intractable problems. and yet we used to worry an outsider. we come and steal our wealthy location to day. some monster comes and turns our lives upside down. isn't all that i so then was the news argued that you masa sa. brookie gave proof of planting l no middle the reserve oct orders. it's alarming how many dams are planned for the amazon region there in 92 dams in the pipeline to war. that's huge, right? and it will have an impact on the wida. amazon reach out to lamazzo and our leaders are rebelling. the 1st priority is drawing the boundaries
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out, they might have sampled, they said it after the meeting, we decided to draw our own territorial boundaries. after informing the food i present happened, i thought, but if in the moon i suppose to represent indigenous peoples is not the government the most basic, but we had the sense they were under a lot of pressure. you still at one. so we decided to take action law. nice museum out there, my phone with more stuff. we're showing the government that it i tuba is home to the culture of the moon, to roku people who it and then i from i'm guessing 9 though most the phone i didn't want to sign up. so we decided to take things into our own hands if we see me so that the white people know where our territory is. it's largely through the use phase. we got help from aldo top. azure shockey fuzzy sea is south of the mckesson . ah
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ah ah ah, so finally, if the government signed the report there recognizing the claim of indigenous people to the land, it's our territory and we're drawing the boundaries in the lawful way. that gown ah ah. yeah, it's not an agent. when the invaders came to brazil, they used to shoot the indigenous people before today. the government is trying to use the mega projects to destroy the indigenous people. the people of the rivers, the members of the ketone bola community who aren't respected either of 80 projects . because yet to get comma come here. these projects are destroying the river, which we depend on budget projects or destroying the rain for the blood without the
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rain forest and the river. we would no longer exist on someone. our people would die out and also not sony. ah. okay. so they, if i nikki, there's only this piece of the rain forest laughed eyes of my dad on the other side . the loggers are destroying everything. so that's why we have to take care of this . here, we've done this better since you thought espionage thing. i did, i did want to go live, a saw mill motto, crusoe. every day i started working with wooed as a boy there and i thought i lost a finger working as a carpenter, but i stuck with no, i do think that they come at l. this is come borrowed, kashodi,
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we use it to make bores for the construction industry. microsoft of you? yes, this will, it is the most popular and real home is called muscle and dooper f. l. f. again, my fennel, luba, esl eric yet what is his lawyer? kashodi was basically what i gotcha. this is a shuttle baa. and we got that back in you. is it at the bottom? what i gotta get your mobile passport. awesome. my billing hulu. pop up is boy secure, but it just you a buzz of very good word to the mabel a semester and do those get to me, but it's only use for construction. roof girders. planks, things like that. yes, yes, this is a pay. it's one of the most expensive kinds of timber. did my scott, this is a bit warped and full of holes are so much left of your kid, but it's one of the most expensive was we have here in para. my a found on my didn't my scotty nice? thank you, but i think he is, how can i do it for him? and if i just put us on to me, this is kumato and it's also exported. he is the 2nd most expensive food after
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a p. where does this come from? this comes from the san antonio plantation and on bush. we want to sure, you know, some clinical. this would hear somebody this timber. this is a house from the audio. farley ludlow the viet our timber from for come place. i had the key was here comes from the all to bring lou plantation the brought all to build better. you silly. where's that bare sent you the back. you take the highway from each i tuba for 18 kilometer long. i yet turn off the thin and had straight down the root without whether is a boat 40 kilometers yet is about 28 to the other. plenty shop he's right on there . not far. i have like i said, the launch of this timber was delivered yesterday. another invoice hasn't been booked yet on the left, on my desk. okay. it's a shift to bow who'd his his might. i could she already had it. the other one is got a piano. uh huh. got a better. that's got a piano to the us as yet to bond. so as that, again, we only deal in quality timber thing, but simply mcgee and you have documents in case you're inspected. now they're not
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out of san lots. of course, you know, i have invoices receipts z. assume it all by the book go. no one would buy timber from me if i sent it to be lemme without an invoice lender. my did a, i only get paid when there's an invoice showing where the timber came from. he wanted the need proof of everything is origin, the company name. they won't take it to the audio old aged on my, the ada lou project qualify you. who do not think they're gonna pick it up either. this is from the sun to antonio. plenty sandwich. it arrive yesterday. i'm gonna for you. it list the origin and variety of would that's the molecule our e m template ana. yup. i'm a par and shuttle back a good and here's the total volume into 323529 cubic meters of timber. the thought, ah
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oh my dear the the gal that i feel my body if you think that it will get that illegal gym or is treated like it's legal odds that the fraud is in the fake documents and we've got countless examples. what is the state of per hour is a major timber importer? does that mean? what is important there? no, what's important, all the documents that legalize the illegal felling of trees, there might be a, a negative equity goggle broken edge if jesus a book and know up and you get all these fake documents because there's new forestry management, a new private window ship in the region, while it's all the legal, it's hard to keep things above board when there's no legal framework for our control center to support those who act legally late, but they don't exist here. i'm gonna call them if you build a route with a conservation area on the right. indigenous territory on the left. he didn't leave the rest unclaimed. yeah, the land grabbers are always the 1st. they all go back. i should have been in
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a shady bmw all okay buddy. oh hey, how big is f as in the keel as well? you know, 800 square kilometers and okay. and the price. well, are now 20000000. 20000000. okay. i'll get on it. thanks. bye. oh, okay, my my now on angie's, you said his niche thing. the amazon region is still at risk, but the problem is as acute as ever, then inside the, for example, the ministry still doesn't know what land clearing payments have been issued in each federal state. and loss of our goal is not the legalization, but the prevention of deforestation. without asthma, the law must be obeyed. but ma'am, currently there is no way to distinguish between illegal land owners and lawful
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ones misuse e. but we need to fix that. we need to know what's legal and what isn't. she didn't wear and yoga book mister archman. thank you sir. barbara. last it was royal blue g follow was funny. as i already said, to my family, the government representatives will never understand what's happening with the climate right. now mm, people get, you know, why not? because they work in air conditioned offices they block will get into their air conditioned cars and drive back to their air condition homes. yeah. as far as they're concerned, nothing's happening with it was interesting wasn't what about an old a? the indigenous people must make their voices had a and we should be quiet and listen to them and gauge. so wish they're not the owners of brazil. they possess nothing that it is old,
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but they are. the guardian said they slavish. they lived with this land bas wishkey age. so they are one with the amazon region, a saw with a rain forest alma with the earth on which they live. it just how it doesn't belong to them, but they are one with it. it is. they are one entity down a dish. it looks all that there. mm. yeah. and we must learn from them. we live all . no, sir, but it doesn't belong to us. the earth can exist perfectly without us. why does she? but we cannot exist without piano for them to assist you there. mm you. but i might implant. we see the river as our legacy. it wasn't created without a reason. that top ocean was created by the god cardoso cable from the seats of the 2 coma fruits. out of like a blue. i was like
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a blade only. he was a kidney based artist. a cable was a warrior whatever he wanted to create. he created e turn to some of them on the roku, into pigs and others and fish look out with a cable and the area where the pigs crossed through. i want to focus is what we're d marketing now. masonic yet his fuzzy list out with amazon again we believe share the amazon region is often regarded by brazilians on the coast as a bit of a remote back water buffalo. but in truth, this is one of south america's oldest cradles of civilization. so he'll be also booked by amazon region as the birthplace of many indigenous peoples who populated the continent. he knew g garage even slash air. it's the sight of huge
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technological and cultural innovation. this information doesn't go slash, but boyle, middle temp. why such as ceramics and farming, global daughter which were emerging at roughly that time in the old while yankee foyer air larger congestion lost many of us imagined. the amazon region as empty of people was you mama, this emptiness was 1st caused by the european immigrant. the are the white people, amazon or his young or before that it was a well populated region flourish, amazon a camouflaged the rain forest, developed in harmony with the people that inhabited it key a beetle. and they've got many fruits and plans that are so well known to day blown dish can dish run. we're following the brazil not the baba's to palm, the back read the capital. so the page palm, some blunt as well cultivated by indigenous people. so neither photo where she's evil via thrive yet, because the amazons indigenous residences had that agricultural know. how am i
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gonna lose his amazon a seizure, a large part of the rang forest was shaped by human hands full to dog. but his insulin, in contrast to the white people whose ancestors emigrated to the americas this 500 years ago, king by gina, presence of indigenous peoples, help sustain the life of the rain forest or push to liam and not destroy it like me doing today. no storm fidela, dante ammonia and one of those you visit the amazon region is a product of the co existence of millions of species, of which we are only one. interest was a most m of one m l. food, huge and probably milliner. humans have existed for millennia here alongside many other different forms of line. you're so so entry settled into dependent and in balance with symbols. i don't know if the rain forest is the lung of the world, but it's certainly the heart of brazil, a wonderful little savage. don't put us on the missouri. ah.
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if you keep a river becomes my body. okay. you get a, why do i say this river is my body? it's the body of every human being. the water of these rivers course is through our veins was my, the lawyers are destroying its source. he got up so the entire river will gradually die out. the 1st of the tributaries dry out was got up, but they'll still feed the top of your shall it in a 100 years like you, we my had to fight for this water. no lumber yet the lad. mm. oh. don't that. what's the best approach? i just got the 1st fire, then the 2nd them, the cattle can come about. they pack the soil down. so you rotate the patches and wait a bit to modify a peaceful. what you re fire gets you a good posture. you burned all the branches, the heavy logs, they used to build
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a cow sheds, and frances allowed them to all right. you had cars just 15000 rice to build a fence. you don't have to buy. would you just pay the workers and buy the material? you're going to get a nice piece of land on the cheap my buy my motto, grocer, cattle rancher, switched to soybeans and once land for cattle in they can't get develop land for a 1000000 anymore. said you bacteria or 12000000 day. so what about leasing with someone who wants a 10 year lease for 4 years of cattle timing? 6 years of soy. back to the boy. ah
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