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more often than not, these protests and in bloodshed and loss of lives in my area. people are still trying to get the voices hed after the 2020 and sauce protests. by far the lead us listening. either kamani went to lagos, to talk to victims on authorities, to find out why the and sas demonstrations turned ugly. and what can be done to prevent the killings from happening again? this week on the 77 percent street debate. all shot on my church. the blood piers come out from the park. the. the process will occur hijacked by some hoodlums from criminals. 40 i just to protect the protest was attacked, so who attacked these protest? the purchase was at sacked using government's owned profits is government's own efforts. ah,

hello and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in nigeria. more specifically, lagos, the city that gave us fell aqua t, who, by the way, in 1977 in his title track for the album, them give us them leave tears, sorrow, and blood explained how the police officers were up a time. brutalizing, the citizens of nigeria fast forward to 2020 and his words still resonated as young people gathered to protest. what they said was ill treatment by the police officers until we had to find out why to african government seems so threatened by protest held by the youth who better to answer this question for me than fellow nigerians. and i'm going to start with buy um and so i just want you to give us an overview of what happened in 2020 because not everybody has a clear idea. so i basically began with a lot of discontent and unhappiness and rage against the specialized robbery squad

of the major on police. it's. it's been a long time coming. so there was a lot of built pent up resentment. and youth just felt like you know what enough is enough, our forces are not hurt. our voices are not to can seriously. and like, that's all, as if they were coordinated. protests were happening in major cities in the southern parts of the country, especially. okay, i'm, let's hear from suffer because i understand you are the protest as well. and obviously we wouldn't be talking about these protest if they hadn't ended in unfortunately death. so how did it come to be that something that started organically and that in bloodshed, i think one of the selling points alcala, that of the answers protest was that there was no coordinated leadership, right? in the protest where organic and people just appointed themselves to, you know, coordinate, collect, and distribute resources. there was a lot of heavy politicize and like in the f city where some of the boys who

disrupted the protest, testified that they were given 500 or so you could easily by st. power. yeah. by any one. okay. let me hear from matthew aka precious stone. oh, who was not only at the protest, but unfortunately actually ended up being shot. so perhaps that by telling us what took you to the protest, why did you feel that it was so important for your voice to be heard that day? many times files are stored me on it. why do you do your ladies as i'm no, i'm no you. oh boy, god oblivion and you know where you live fi or where you to enjoy your bad boy. oh boy, i'm no one of them. always, always should emma, undoubtedly, and ost is less read me to give them money. but when a hardy, to that people, when you told me julia will godaddy, les topped his socks to clean offense. it is of this country. so i need to johnny porter. yes. fully. can you explain to me how you felt when you got there?

what was the energy like, how did you feel in the early hours jack missouri was so lovely, but i never believed, hadn't enjoyed. i use goof cool. show up just really gets flagged and, and you are flag atlas roster dizzy what we entire to calmer to to see to speak or what is no good about our country. what are near shore right? piece for lovely energy was right. ok, let me come to office so who they in here because obviously the police officers actually what the receiving end doing is protest being accused of not just brutalizing your people and harassing them. it's true. would you say in your estimation? yes, actually we have on such same reports of police officers been excessive in their use of force. but to it didn't mean that the entire police force was, was brutal or was insensitive to the plight of the youth. and this were things

we're looking through. we have a department from the follow up, looks into these complaints. i guess people have had enough all the fels, we're not moving fast enough. okay. um, i want to hear from allow me day because i see that your hair style is dread locked, which i understand in this country can be a way for people to be targeted. have you experience some of the things that p 2 p peter was saying yes, because obviously aroused by selfish as lot of time to try to that the car should we know to happen. i'm in the cloud o. c o p co, bye for now. do you and did i go over the, could you to an out of the south in southport, this is the from to not does god mean to join the discount cause i don't know. did go go outside that. i'll get shots because most of it i got up at his, i was up at the us with his carseat does reduced the harassment doesn't ask you to okay. does it out about as a game it blows muffled. you for the buddhist could absolutely pulls us are asked me to pull up my s 5 vote to put as when, if i go out,

i'm going to cushion out the country, lead me to we deliver to sergeant that our catalog. i'll get them out that do not the right to such my full mouth blood to get my food from the young boy the 1st and only got as an internet for stuff he doesn't want to know what you're doing. foster for future outsourcing is up to stop. i would love him to join the buddhist. okay. now i should mention 2 of you was that of course saws as a squad was later disbanded. although young people here say that it was quickly replaced with a force that was very similar to that, but coming back to you of his own day and j. j. no, you he, i'm going to come back to you. i had reports while preparing for this. the people would even have their telephones checked to have police officers look through their bank account balance and have and force them to to withdraw money is, is true. yeah. i mean how, how, how does it get to that point? okay. yeah it's, it's very wrong for him please officer to check in with his foreign bank account and we, we appreciate those people who just don't complain and just maybe make better maybe

your hands on twitter, pardon my language around on twitter. but people actually stepped to say, oh, this police of says, did this, we actually want to gets such reports and when we get them, we are bringing this officers and make them face on disciplinary action. what is actually wrong? and if i'm say this, i'm not saying i'm not trying to defend this bad behavior, it's not in the face, but you know, statistically you see that most times certain crimes are committed by satin is group and the often not always, but they often have this look this tattoo and b, i mean, yeah, yeah, that's profiling profiling. yes. but for a police officer, what are we saying? nobody in nigeria should wear dreadlocks. like i said from the beginning of this, these not a defense. but as a police officer, i remember the last 10 people that's confessed to this particular crime. actually have 13 in this is the core character is maybe not physical,

but in this is you would not. you would not blame me if i see somebody which does in this is and the 1st thing that comes, my mind is or the less than people are, is that okay, let me come to gigi because he's laughing at your comment. i'm not sure if it's because he thinks it's funny. i share your thoughts j. j. so i was laughing because he was fits in perfectly into the bureau spectrum of buyer, sir. and he was literally admit, seen by us as a police officer, no force of his is, he's human. but so the next level as a lease officer and as a, as an institution is to 1st of all admitted by us that they are by us to was great for people like all i media and between them up and doing all of those things. and also to understand the collect the responsibility of everyone. okay. are we there means that if are moving on i should carry, i should have my id card to make it easier to identify myself with our mickey. easier for the officer su,

duty or job. and as long as every young mangian does not feel safe, no, because of hon. so because of their own police, when they go out at night, when the address is setting with their we've not done enough, people continue to get brutalized receipt or video social media. we will continue to get bullied people continue to take into the atm to, to get to withdraw. money doesn't need to change. but what also as changes that he got me now knows that even though this is who i know out on the street, they can go on the street when necessary. okay, voice, let me come back to suffer here because yes, are the government knows that now young people can mobilize the can organize themselves, but they've also come up with innovative ways to suppress that democratic space. i mean, are we moving one step forward to steps back? the government can do everything possible to maintain its power, like the twitter been, for example. but i think that one of the major gains of a protests in generally and sauce in particular is the effect. it has on the people,

the people know that they can talk, the people know that he can demand, and the government knows that the people can demand protests as a signal is an indication of a dysfunctional system. and oh, once people start to protest, the government knows that we're doing something wrong and a citizen has has noticed it, and the citizen is complaining. what happens next? okay. um you said that things could be moving in the right direction because the government knows that people can't talk. but pity i want to hear from you because i know you might be of a different opinion. you were telling me earlier that you feel fearful, you know, despite the fact that the government admitted its fault and said, we should have shot you and you were given compensation, you still don't feel safe for her. you just no compensation, notting since they wanted to partner our one every to you does not. not upon martinez, i'm telling you yes. so he vi anybody that you sent either giving anybody composition

notting us up on our shot on my church. the blood piers come out from the back yet, so i know the kennel big things that thinner as to fill in the political have structural or my segment rip to i need to go for scar, voided because his dead new job anymore on a tango for what judges that he's talking about id got, id, guardian, angel. i need to be frank is useless because, you know, utilize because many ties go out, which i did god, when there are a lot going to bring it out to just collect it. i'll try to, i'm this kid who, what are you scared of? i'm scared of my life because they adjusted angry god meant asked the angry polish se angry. the quote you can't come up. challenge them. the court of law was shorter with this good. so did destroy the book, it was sure crazy. i says, and nobody as urban tongue, what was somebody like it, sir? i brought him because said i by you, i don't know the name gonna be barbara goober,

i get our kudos. i don't know if i can using the language if you chose one, rob lee. yeah. judge college been a lady so vibrant, so clearly. so kind. right. so by the way i should mention, oh, there she is. we were just talking about you. sarah has just joined us as a lady that matthew was speaking so generously about. she unfortunately was late because of lagos traffic, but we understand and welcome. so we were just recapping what happened during the protest and i sort of as to what you know, in the long term and in the short term, what was achieved we heard from matthew is that he still feels fearful, unfortunately. but he boasted because of people like you, so what would you say keeps you so brave and encouraging people like matthew, the use of language area are very free to extremely brief. so the thing is, the protest happen year, but i've, we actually got in won't be needed. we've gotten some part of it. but we still need more. and we are able,

and we are proud of. we're able to get about 200 families. we're able to get them justice and they can just do that. i mean, we're the people who are behind the shootings arrested for example. if you want to start saying that she need to speak with to get arrested, it has to be a different ball game. we're in a country whereby yeah, allah, judy shall, system is not respected. it is not respected by politicians, nor respected by those who actually made it to the shall system to stand the panels that were actually set up. i've already said these people need to face, do attend up. so office. i want to come back to you because pete, he said very passionately, that police officers are still angry because the youth dead to challenge the authority they dare to stand up against you. or is this how you're feeling? honestly. i tunes i grew with him. that's police officer angry because of answers. we knew that the youth started the zone. brutus when at rollins,

where college got so it would be the process where our term, hijacked, by some who'd launch from criminals. or i think you should use the right, i think. okay, the right word of the protest. whenever a jack, nobody i just to protect the protests was attacked. so who attacked these brutus? the process was attacked using government owned properties, government's own assets, governments own vacant. so if one is that asking questions they want. so are you suggesting, sarah, that the people, the young hoodlums, as the officer has called them here, who infiltrated the protest was sent by the government? they have various claim. i am not suggesting i am saying you're saying it on the day on the 9th of the lucky master car, we were able to get about 21. people with the same shapes of i mean the same shipped of caught last like this, mash, etc. the same, they had the same tags and so it was like they were given to them. so we got about 20 to one of these people in like you face one. we took them, i was the,

i took them, i still have a, i mean, most did all the videos we played at the panel. that was actually what made a panel to which their decision. we took this people to the police and guess what? we're told that they are not their problem. all right, let's come back to the office a. i think it's important that you able to respond and we'll look at the answers. brutus. both everybody turns a blind eye to the fact that medical decisions we are tracked. many police sessions were bonds down. i don't know if you, if you're aware that many police officers were killed when police officers will be heard they live. and many, many people is us. where, where are rusted on between. these are facts and many rifles were cut to the way. and we lost v clues, human resources my through our resources. so was, and i will tell you that when this process started and we checked what they were fighting for men of us were happy because our welfare was part of it so, so, so somewhat behind the scene where given them this not like, go ahead,

we're going to benefit from okay, so how did it come to be that then people who are armed by the government are opening fire on their own citizens who are and i am going to ask you if, if that statement is a statement of fact, will you tell me who else has fire arms in this country? who will police? where o, b every the yesterday, the voice there will cover firms, room hoodlums. okay. so the pleasant hill plaza, this is a bit loud in our aides. let. let's see away from there for a 2nd. i want to come back to you by because earlier sephora had something important that protests are a symptom of a dysfunctional society. and i'm curious if you know, because we've understood that stars was just sort of the, the, the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. but the underlying issues of poverty of unemployment are still there. so what happens now? structural issues will remain the poverty be, are unemployment, inflation,

exchange rates and balances insecurity. and these have to be seen within the backdrop of the author and nature of nigerian culture. really, can you explain that? so often times young people are told to keep quiet, you know what, you know, why should you talk when elders talking and i mean, other people much more intelligent than me have said, nigeria has the characteristics of roger on talk receipt where leadership is kept within the hands of old men. so these are people who are making decisions for the country for young people that they have no idea about. i want to hear from allow me to hear why keep electing these old men who don't have any care for you? why elect them the average the system? the of the, of the plotter structure is what the rules time out. he's going to be different game. those i will sit on the balcony door to door to door nesbit and i was going,

i dunno, was nice garages. my son was, it is my bed right up to get this time. i will go look, we shouldn't are missing. do wrong to negotiate. uh huh. okay, j j, let's, let's, let's hear for me is good to hope that i mean hope is, is free is good. to hope that is going to be a different game. there were electrons immediately after and sauce. and the thought i was one of the louis irvine, the history of the country. does that surprise you though? it doesn't, it doesn't, and we have to say things the way they are right now. there is nothing to say daddy voting dynamics of nigeria in terms of water, not in the other because people are both on or the opportunity of woodson will change with the lessons that are coming in less than a year. yeah. all right, so i guess now i have a critical question which is why protest in the 1st place because they'll always be problems and they'll always be dysfunction in governments. so i take the risk, especially if it leads to loss of life. so if i'd like to hear from you 1st for the common man or on the street, what you expect them to do. yeah, too much to as

a rock, or to do what that is the way that they know how to register their displeasure. and it's legitimate in the sense that every citizen has a right to expression. so i think protest i effective in their own way. yeah. and we have seen them be very, very effective in other parts of africa, from egypt to my very own country of china. and i'm wondering from you a p t, would you ever participate in a protest again, given what happened to you can and again and again again and again noted moody. i would no doubt by dodge, who can do sincerely speaking. we know that the, our web, our government are crazy, so we still need to be crazy. so we need to be treated by brenda to look also do the necessity being good. now a butare talk to you, all those things is not by saudi is not by. okay. look at it. yeah. look, attitude philippines bought glory. be to god we assist or we move freight porch car

. we got just his draw ward new did true to so i yeah, sure. i think this is one of the game here. protests activism. right? it could be that before the protest, he was chilling, doing his thing, but participating in the protest, it bets a spirit of accountability. you start to a lot of the activists that we have now. we're best on to purchase the ground. they cannot be too much, right? they hold the government to account the money or the reports, governance or processes. so i think that is one of the major gains of a protest, the birthing of an activism or activist conscious spirit, young and citizen. okay. now, earlier we spoke about responsibility and i want to come back to you of his own day in because looking to the future in the example that i gave of egypt and i'm thinking about it as to done a south africa's in bob way. so often these protest also end up in bloodshed. what

can we do so that the next time young nigerians, which will never to be happy, which will inevitably happen, come together to protest something. they're not met by bullets. well, and says was a learning process for everyone, for the youths, for the security agencies and pers clellan police. so we will protest this to happen again on most often we, we told people that if you want to protest, please inform the security agencies. if we know you're going to protest, we have to put on certain measures in place to make sure it's not. i chuck's glass on i said i checked everybody else. i can look it up. okay. so that was good my years in place to make sure that there is no attack. and i'm going forward. like you said, inevitably process is going to happen again. but we hope we are violence, we hope that it will become blood him. excellent. okay, sarah, i want to hear from you solutions going forward because like i said, inevitable protests will happen here. every single person in danger,

once it better nature, people are always still going to protest is one thing about being government is wanting about being in the country, is how are you going to ch, are you don't, you don't treat people like their animal. so the goldman needs to learn how to talk to dis seats is, is because citizens are the part the government needs to understand that you need to constantly talk to these people. you need to consulting, talk to people so that you can know what their grievances are. and how to meet them in to me to okay, what i'd like to hear from you are allow me day in the future. what do you think young people need to do to make the conversation easier between government and yourselves? police officers and yourselves do do what migalia use shuttle try to get into paula when it's going to be the $70000.00 between the hours of her recipe in does it dr. wood, else it is causing it also play for future relo to down budget and also just reach out to our grants in on or line and also put as we need to get involved in politics . an idea here in northeast north we cannot control ladies. okay. j j started by

quoting fella equity, the great master of music, and the things that he was singing about in his album of 1977, a still very much resonating today. how do we stop that cycle? first of all is the cedar request for a better society. that is the never ending one. and that's not unique to nigeria, it's universal. democracies like the americas is as old as to 50 years old on over the continental battle for these freedom. so it's not a question of how to restock them. it's a question of how do we make lives better every year under, for government to understand are your people are know your enemies when they go out there to classes because they're asking for better of you. yeah, which essentially actually helps you because you swore to uphold the constitution. why was started be q less, conclude with you? what do you see for the future of this country? posts and saws? brutus, i think understanding that we form as youth a critical mass that can really move the needle forward. is something that we need to take very seriously. i mean, we formed like 60 percent of bacteria,

the best we could do is get our pvcs. and you know, again, referencing what you said about the difficulty in seeing change, there's a direct relationship between how much change you want to see and how much effort and work you're willing to put in. the more work you put in a better change, you will see. all right, well, that's a fantastic place to wrap up this debate. the sun is going down. it's so beautiful here and actually feel really good in my heart, which so rarely happens at the end of debates. but that's because the young people here i asked, i'll protest, threatening to governments perhaps. but what i've had to day resoundingly is that the youth, they know go tire. thank you for watching. ah, thanks edith. and all you participants, that it was a very informative discussion. we have to continue protecting our democratic rights . and a bullet from authorities should not be the answer. thanks a lot for your time. i am eddie micah junior. bye for now

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