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more often than not, these protests and in black shed and loss of lives in nigeria, people are still trying to get their voices head after the 2020 n sauce protests. but are the leaders listening? either kamani went to lagos, to talk to victims on the authorities, to find out why the n sas demonstrations turned ugly. and what can be done to prevent the killings from happening again. this week on the 77 percent street d. b, i was shot on my chest, the blood p. s. m, are from the back. in the, the process where i am hijacked, by some who loan, some criminals, what he, i, just to protect the protests was attacked. so who attacked these brutus? the protest was at sack, to using government owned properties, government's own assets.

ah, hello and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in nigeria. more specifically, lagos, the city that gave us fella cookie, who, by the way, in 1977 in his title track for the album, them give us them leave tears, sorrow, and blood explained how the police officers were up a time. brutalizing, the citizens of nigeria fast forward to 2020 and his words still resonated as young people gathered to protest what they said was ill treatment by the police officers until we're here to find out why the african government seems so threatened by protest held by the youth who better to answer this question for me than fellow nigerians. and i'm going to start out with by and so i just want you to give us an overview of what happened in 2020 because not everybody has a key idea. so i basically began with a lot of discontent and unhappiness and rage against the special launch robbery

squad of the major police. or it's, it's been a long time coming. so there was a lot of built pinto presentment and youth just felt like you know what enough is enough. our forces are not hurt. our voices are not to can seriously. and like that's almost as if they were coordinated. protests were happening in major cities in the southern parts of the country, especially. okay. um let's go from suffer because i understand you are the protest as well. and obviously we wouldn't be talking about these protests if they hadn't ended in unfortunately death. so how did it come to be that something that started organically and that in bloodshed, i think one of the selling points alcala, that of the and suss purchase was that there was no coordinated leadership, right? in the process where organic and people just appointed themselves to, you know, coordinate, collect, and distribute resources. there was a lot of heavy pullet to size and like in the f city where some of the boys who

disrupted the protest, testified that they were given 5 and an error or so you could easily by st. power. yeah. by any one. okay. let me hear from matthew aka precious stone. oh, who was not only at the protest, but unfortunately actually ended up being shot. so perhaps that by telling us what took you to the protest, why did you feel that it was so important for your voice to be heard that day? many times fast asked, told me on it. why do you do your url at ease as i am? no, i am no yo boys got believing and you know where you live fi or where you to enjoy your bad boy. oh boy, i'm no one of them. always, always should emma and i've talked to hondo's disrespect me to get the money. but when a hardy, it does, people in utah and julia will godaddy left top this surf to clean offense. it is of this country. so i need to john to protect. yeah, just fully can you explain to me how you felt when you got there?

what was the energy like, how did you feel in the early hours jack missouri was so lovely, but i never believed. hadn't enjoyed. i used goof cool. sure. so peacefully. yeah. get flagged in july flag atlas, russia dizzy. what we entitled to comma to to so to speak, or what is no good or bad? our country. what on the shore? alright. peaceful, lovely energy with virus. ok, let me come to an officer who day in here. because obviously the police officers, actually what the receiving end doing is protest being accused of not just brutalizing young people and harassing them is it's true. would you say in your estimation? yes, actually we have arms are saying repulse or from police officers been. it says even the use of force, but still it didn't mean that the entire police force was, was brutal or was insensitive to the plight of the youth. and these were things

we're looking into. we have of departments on the force of looks into this complex . well, i guess people have had enough all the fels, we're not moving fast enough. okay. um, i want to hear from allow me day because i see that your hair style is dread locked, which i understand in this country can be a way for people to be targeted. have you experience some of the things that p 2 p peter was saying yes, because obviously aroused by selfish as lot of time to try to that the car should we know to happen. i'm in the cloud also optical bye for now. do you and did i go over according to an out of the south in salisbury, this is the from to not does god mean to join the discount cause i don't know. did go go say that i'll get shots because most of it i go up at you are, was up i the is us with is cassie does reduced. does the harassment? darcy, do you okay, that was it out about as a game. you plus muffled, you for the buddhist could absolutely pulls us are asked me because of my s 5 vote to put as when i go out. i'm going to push on out the country,

lead me to we deliver to sergeant that our catalog. i'll give them out that i do not the right to such my full mouth blood, get my food from the young boy. first of all, you got as an internet for stuff. you don't want to know what you're doing. first of all, future out washington is asked to stop out of him to join the buddhist. okay. now i should mention 2 of you was that of course saws as a squad was later disbanded, although young people here say that it was quickly replaced with a force that was very similar to that. but coming back to you of a 1000 a and j. j. know your he, i'm going to come back to you. i had reports while preparing for this. the people would even have their telephones checked to have police officers looked through their bank account balance and have and force them to, to withdraw money. is this true? yeah, i mean how, how, how does it get to that poor? okay. yeah it's, it's very wrong for an police officer to check in with his foreign bank account. and we, we appreciate those people who just don't complain and just maybe make or maybe

your hands on twitter, pardon my language around on twitter. but people actually step forwards to say, oh, this police of science did this. we actually want to gets such reports. and when we get them we, we are bringing this officers and make them face on disciplinary action. what is actually wrong? and if i'm say this, i'm not saying i'm not trying to defend this bad behavior. it's not in the face, but you know, statistically you see that most times certain crimes are committed by satin is group and the often not always, but they often have this look, this tattoo. i'm been, i mean, yeah, yeah, that's profiling profiling. yes. but for a police officer, what are we saying? nobody in nigeria should wear dreadlocks. like i said from the beginning of these, these not at the phase, but as a police officer, i remember the last 10 people that's confessed to this particular crime actually have seen in this is the cool character is mainly not physical,

but in this is you would not, you would not blame me if i say somebody which does indices. and the 1st thing that comes, my mind is, or the less than people are, is that okay, let me come to j j because he's laughing at your comment. i'm not sure if it's because he thinks it's funny. share your thoughts j. j. so i was laughing because he was fits in perfectly into the bureau spectrum of buyer, sir. and he was literally admit, seen by us as a police officer. no force of he says he's human, but so the next level as a lease officer and as a, as an institution is to 1st of all admitted by us that they are by us to was going for people like all i media and between them up and doing all of those things and also to understand the collect the responsibility of everyone. okay. are we there means that if i'm moving on i should carry, i should have my id card to make it easier to identify myself. would i make it easier for the officer to do their job?

and as long as every young nigerian does not feel safe? no, because of hon. so because of their own police, when they go out at night, when the address is setting way, then we've not done enough. people continue to get brutalized receipt every day on social media will continue to get bullied people continue to take into the atm to, to get to redraw money doses need to change. but what's also as changes that he got me now knows that even though this, if you are not out on the street, they can go on the streets when necessary. okay, voice, let me come back to suffer here because yes, that the government knows that now young people can mobilize the can organize themselves. but they've also come up with innovative ways to suppress that democratic space. i mean are we moving one step forward to steps back. gov. mens can do everything possible to maintain its power like the twitter been for example . but i think that one of the major gains of a protests in generally and sauce in particular is the effect. it has on the people,

the people know that they can talk, the people know that he can demand, and the government knows that people can demand protest is a signal, is an indication of a dysfunctional system. and oh, once people start to protest to the government knows that we're doing something wrong and a citizen has has noticed it, and the citizen is complaining. what happens next? okay. um you said that things could be moving in the right direction because the government knows that people can't talk. but pity i want to hear from you because i know you might be of a different opinion. you are telling me earlier that you feel fearful, you know, despite the fact that the government admitted its fault and said, we should have shot you and you were given compensation, you still don't feel safe for her. you does no composition, notting since they want to partner on one every to you does not. not upon martinez, i'm telling you you actually vi anybody that you send out of doing anybody composition notting us up on our shot on my church. the blood tears come out from

the back yet. so i know the kennel big things that dinner as typical in the political health structure on the southern trip to i need to go for scar, voided because his dead new job anymore on the tango for what judges that he's talking about. id got id gotten injured, i need to be frank is useless. hello. usually because many ties go out, which i did god. when there are a lot when you bring it out to just quality unclear to. i'm this kid who, what are you scared of? i'm scared of my life because they adjusted angry god meant asked the angry polish estie angry because we can't come out challenged them. the court of law was such a dispute, so did destroy the but it was so crazy. i says, and nobody i said tongue, what was somebody liking, sir? i brian because said i by you, i don't know the name gonna give up, would you give us a i give our kudos. i do it. i can using the language. yeah,

he chose one. rob lee. yeah. judge college been a little bit so vibrant, so clearly. so kind right. so by the way i should mention, oh, there she is. we were just talking about you sarah has just joined us. natalie did that? matthew was speaking so generously about, she unfortunately was late because of lagos traffic, but we understand and welcome. so we were just recapping what happened during the protest and i sort of as to what you know, in the long term and in the short term what was achieved we heard from matthew is that he still feels fearful, unfortunately. but he bolstered because of people like you. so what would you say keeps you so brave and encouraging people like matthew, the use of language area are very free to extremely brief. so the thing is, the protest happen year bought of we actually got in will be needed. we've gotten some parts of it, but we still need more and we are able and we're proud of,

we're able to get about $200.00 families. we're able to get them justice and they can just do that. i mean, we're the people who are behind those shootings arrested. for example, if you want to start seeing that she need to speak with to get arrested, it has to be a different ball game. we're in a country whereby yeah, allah, judy shall, system is not respected. it is not respected by politicians, nor respected by those who actually made a judicial system to stand the panels that were actually set up. i've already said these people need to face do terms. so office, i want to come back to you because pete, he said very passionately, that police officers are still angry because the youth dead to challenge the authority, they dare to stand up against you. or is this how you're feeling? honestly. i don't. i grew with in that's police officers are angry because of answers. we knew that the youth that started the zone protest when at rollins, we acknowledged that. so it would be the process where our term hijacked by some

hoodlums from criminals. or i think you should use the right, i think. okay, the right word of the protest. whenever a jack, nobody i just to protect the protests, was attacked. so who attacked these brutus? the process was attacked using government's own properties, government's own assets, governments the own vacant. so if you want to start asking questions they want. so are you suggesting, sarah, that the people, the young hoodlums, as the officer has called them here, who infiltrated the protest was sent by the government? this is a very serious claim. i am not suggesting to him saying you're saying it on the day, on the 9th of the lackey massacre, we were able to get about 21. people with the same shapes of i mean the same ships of cutlass like this, mush, etc. the same, they had the same tags and so it was like they were giving to them. so we got about 20 to one of these people in like you face one. we took them, i was the,

i took them, i still have ice. i mean, most did all the videos we played at the panel that was actually what made a panel to which their decision. we took this people to the police and guess what? we're told that they are not their problem. all right, let's come back to the office a. i think it's important that you're able to respond and we'll look at the answers protest. but everybody turns a blind eye to the fact that many police sessions we are talked. many politicians were bondsville. i don't know if you, if you are way back, many police officers were killed when police officers, we'd be had they do this and the many amenities us where where are rusted on between these are facts and many rifles were cut to the way and we lost v cruz, human resources, my for resources. so was, and i will tell you that when this process started and we checked what they were fighting for men of us were happy because our welfare was part of it so, so, so some was behind the scene where given them this not like, go ahead,

we're going to benefit from okay, so how did it come to be that then people who are armed by the government are opening fire on their own citizens who are. and i am going to ask you if, if that statement is a statement or fox, will you tell me who else has fire arms in this country? who will police were o b every day yesterday, their voice, the week of affirms room hoodlums. okay. so, only the pleasant hill plaza, this is the building or aids let. let's see away from there for a 2nd. i want to come back to you by because earlier sephora had something important that brute us are a symptom of a dysfunctional society. and i'm curious if you know, because we've understood that size was just sort of the, the, the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. but the underlying issues of poverty of unemployment are still there. so what happens now? structural issues will remain the poverty be, are unemployment, inflation,

exchange rates and balances are insecurity. and these have to be seen within the backdrop of be authoritarian nature of nigerian culture. really, can you explain that? so often times young people are told to keep whites, you know what you know, why should you talk when elders talking and i mean other people much more intelligent than me have said nigeria has the characteristics of roger on talk or see where leadership is kept within the hands of old men. so these are people who are making decisions for the country, for young people that we have no idea about. i want to hear from allow me to hear why keep electing these old men who don't have any care for you? why elect them the average the system, the of the, of the plotter structure? what the rules time, are you going to be different game of those? oh, those are those it only broken door to door to diagnose business as good as was nice

. garage is my son who said, is my base right out to get this time? i will absolutely shouldn't. i'm missing the wrong to negotiate. oh ok. j j let's, let's, let's hear from me is good to hope that. i mean, hope is, is free, is good to hope that is going to be a different game. there were electrons immediately after and sauce. and the thought i was on of louis irvine, the history of the country. does that surprise you though? it doesn't, it doesn't. and we have to say things the way they are right now. there's nothing to say daddy voting dynamics of nigeria in terms of water. not in other because we put our vote on or the opportunity of woodson will change with the lessons that are coming in less than a year. yeah. all right, so i guess now i have a critical question which is why protest in the 1st place because they'll always be problems and they'll always be dysfunction in governments. so i take the risk, especially if it leads to loss of life. so if i'd like to hear from you 1st for the common man or on the street, what do you expect them to do? yeah, too much to as a rock,

or to do what that is the way that they know how to register their displeasure. and it's legitimate in the sense that every citizen has a right to expression. so i think protest are effective in their own way. yeah. and we have seen them be very, very effective in other parts of africa, from egypt to my very own country of kenya. and i'm wondering from you a p t, would you ever participate in a protest again, given what happened to you again and again and again again and again, we noted moody, i with no doubt by dot who can do sincerely speaking. we know that our web, our comments are crazy, so we still need to be crazy. so we need to be created by brenda to look also do the necessities being good. now a butare scar rule to all those things is not by saudi is not by. okay, look at it. yeah. look at it, philippines. but glory. beach, god, we resist our we move right porch car. we got just his draw ward new did true to so

i yeah, sure. i think this is one of the games here. protests activism. right? it could be that before the protest, he was chilling doing his thing, but participating in the protest. it breaths, a spirit of accountability. you start to a lot of the activists that we have now. we're best on to purchase the ground. they cannot be too much, right? they hold the government to account the money or the reports governance processes. so i think that is one of the major gains of a protest, the birthing of an activism or activist conscious spirit, young and citizen. okay. and now earlier we spoke about responsibility. and i want to come back to you of his own day in because looking to the future in the example that i gave of egypt. and i'm thinking about it as sudan or south africa's in bob way. so often these protest also end up in bloodshed. what can we do so that the

next time young nigerians, which will never to be happy, which will inevitably happen, come together to protest something. they're not met by bullets. well, and says was a learning process for everyone, for the use for this occurs agencies and past club police. so we will protest this to happen again on most often we, we tell people that if you want to protest, please inform the security agencies. if we know you're going to protest, we have to put on certain measures in place. make sure it's not. i chuck's glass on i said i checked everybody else. i can look it up. okay. so that was a good my years in place to make sure that there is no at sac. and i'm going forward. like you said, inevitably, processes going to happen again. but we hope we have lens, we hope that it will become floating next time. okay, sarah, i want to hear from you solutions going forward because like i said, inevitable protests will happen here. every single person in danger,

once it better nature, people are always to going to protest is one thing about being government is wanting about being in the country is how are you going to you don't, you don't treat people like their animal. so the goldman needs to learn how to talk to the citizens because citizens are the part the government needs to understand that you need to constantly talk to these people. you need to consulting, talk to people so that you can know what their grievances are and how to meet them in the me to okay. ah, i'd like to hear from you allow me day in the future. what do you think young people need to do to make the conversation easier between government and yourselves? police officers and yourselves. do do what migalia youths fossil try to get into power when it's going to be the $70000.00 to be in the algebra with in the us. it's that they would also discussing what else will play for future relevancy don't back out. and those be just be shouting, granting on or line, and also put as mitchell get involved in politics in nigeria. here in northeast north, you cannot control ladies. ok. j j started by quoting fellow karate the great master

of music. and the things that he was singing about in his album of 1977, a still very much resonating today. how do we stop that cycle? first of all is the cedar request for a better society. that is a never ending one. and that's not unique to nigeria, it's universal. democracies like the americas, as old as to 50 years old on over the continue to battle for these freedoms. so it's not a question of how do we talk to him? it's a question of how do we make lives better every year under, for government to understand are your people under your enemies when they go out there to classes because they're asking for better of you. yeah. which essentially actually helps you because you swore to uphold the constitution. why we started, we q less conclude with you. what do you see for the future of this country, posts and saws? brutus, i think understanding that we form as youth a critical mass that can really move the needle forward, is something that we need to take very seriously. i mean, we formed like 60 percent of bacteria,

the best we could do is get our pvcs. and you know, again, referencing, what did you said about the difficulty in seeing change? there's a direct relationship between how much change you want to see and how much effort and work you're willing to put in. the more work you put in, the better change you will see. all right, well, that's a fantastic place to wrap up this debate. the sun is going down. it's so beautiful here. and ashley feel really good in my heart, which so rarely happens at the end of debates. but that's because the young people here i asked, i'll protest, threatening to governments perhaps. but what i've had to day resoundingly is that the youth, they know got tire. thank you for watching. ah, thanks edith and all you participants. that it was a very informative discussion. we have to continue protecting our democratic rights and a bullet from authorities should not be the answer. thanks a lot for your time. i am eddie micah junior. bye for now.

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