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but the numbers are showing that the old god definitely still has the political upper hand in the country. and yes, kenyans are very frustrated because of the things that i mentioned earlier. the state of the economy is not great. people are not happy with how the country was being run. and so these hope that maybe this will be the time that things finally changed. for kenya, dw, correspond either kamani in nairobi. thank you so much for your reporting. that's all for me for now. and doc film is coming up next, and brenda will be with you at the top of the hour. with more news headlines, thanks much for watching. a vibrant habitat ended glistening place of launch the mediterranean sea. seen it almost rar enter far, dual career drift along exploring modern lifestyles and the editor rainy's
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. oh i don't. i mean what's the best approach for? i got the 1st fire. yes. then the 2nd about them, the cattle can come when i got my hand about jason i. they packed the soil down. so you rotate the pastures. wait a bit, no said 2 more fires to get up. please hold what you re fi as gets you a good posture. he moves from you burned all the branches and the heavy logs are gone. of this used to build cow sheds and fences. i lived in $1.00 to meeting you had cost just $15000.00 rice to build a fence. you don't have to buy, would you just pay the workers and buy the material. then the program when you're looking to get a nice piece of land on the cheap my boss and for a while job that he's recorded. telephone conversations illustrate the forces at
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work and me, amazon, and how the land grabbers sidestepped the environmental agencies all and legalize their ownership. obama. these land grabbers assume that whatever current rules are that will change which gassed tagged. the fines for illegal activities prior to 2000 date had been formerly wave to ok, so they assume fines through 2014 will be waived to live omit when they say they're just clearing the forest in the name of progress. that's their argument, and it's no secret. nay, no, i think it in. oh, what are you supposed to do? if you can't log legally? it's your property and you need to survive. i regret having acted outside the law, but i don't regret felling trees because nothing wrong with that. if we did clear forests, brazil wouldn't take there. don't dog boys like roland grubbers. no one here isn't one thing because we're farming public land. there's no authority to tell me this is your land. i've been occupying
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a piece of land for 30 years. do you think the lad, my farm, when i've been trying to register it for 20 years and no success goes to that makes me a land corroborated any public prosecutor which the i'm occupying public property america got to be environmental. impact is a big problem. environmental laws are being violated and they're doing everything to keep it that way. the environmental agency, he bama wants to keep operating illegally, so they can keep finding us freezing our operations. it gives them something to do single say, and then going both of these don't going to say we have 2 documents here from the environmental agency, 6000000 and 1200000 aware of it. ok to lee another. i'm coming to it i to about on wednesday, we have 20 days to file an appeal. your lawyer has to do it the case and it's true,
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but it's about slave labor. and i'll take care of it in getting in who on the way to pick up a tractor we'd had stopped and impounded earlier. the perpetrator knew we were coming and hid in the forest. the officer noticed and pursued him. the suspect was armed and shot and killed the policeman with a hunting rifle. muscle in. ah,
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my thought longing costs money if you need a lot of it to clear areas of around $10000.00 hector's. like here in nova progress, so it takes serious logistics the hundreds of workers and tractors, and that comes at a price. and these people have the money i bought on this thing with the divide. i, since the public prosecutor can't charge people for clearing the forest, they get accused of forming gangs or fraud things. no one can actually prove waffle . gangs intervals x is about logging from. they charge us with something else on you got that one to public prosecutor does whatever they please some political side by the look again. here my office is one of them is the biggest seller of land and property. you are. every one knows that. why are there problems to that issue?
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because you try to handle it all yourself. you like we're the only ones doing this job. in the end, everyone will benefit that will not. i mean, no one wants to get their hands dirty. go to a broker and see if he's got anything and then they won't. that's what i said, a some land with proper papers. cash in hand. can you give me that? he goes, i got a call. they bought it from us as he comes up novel. he, john, we've received reports that several people with logging companies were active there . yes, we investigated those gangs and their criminal activity lesson thought that included money laundering forgery and tax evasion and is only $2.00 environmental destruction in michigan. the environmental aspect isn't the only element with a plot of land, and the amazon is much cheaper than in the south or southeast of the country. so people get greedy, local people, buy land and having a company gives them an appearance of legitimacy that you're talking about the
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documents. are there any? no way, not usually, only the new companies have contracts. the older ones, they have reports from the agricultural authority that did a legal program and other kinds of documents. i was like the environmental data register, which has the cadel farming thurman saw a lot for lizzie agricultural permit, the boy and the environmental permanent. but it depends on the agencies in his arms . and afterwards, you can apply for a property title, and then you just have to wait a bit for it to be issued to me, i am with
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the minimum may until i get a lodging project. therefore, it's 30 going locally as a grungy. the fast age of a land graph can take place from a distance. he has some on the sense that sites on a big plot of land in the state of rain forest. this is decides to occupy, but the rest has to be done locally, not but it is a fusion connected eliza. l gala fall into someone has to hire workers and do the logging ally. and the area has to be guarded policy. i it, it, it can unfold in stages, top of the land has to be demarcated, it's, and then it has to be defended. was a good thing, as is all to bring them in. sometimes the same plot of land will be claimed by various gold poised, all these can lead to vine. i'd say those about us, you know, danny gay. at 1st glance the land may seem empty locally. the uh, there's actually a local community nearby. yeah, that leads to conflict auto body live or another land grampa might also be trying
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to claim the land that is keeping with it's no wonder that violence is rife in places where land is stolen. i'll get it in. the amazon violence lies the most concentrated where there's a lot of blogging time, and there's a close link between land grabbing deforestation and violence. and the amazon you're lazy. the would also say i was, i was with work is here where it's just the attack us. we strike back the same way . if i that they come with clubs now use are dogs. we fight back with the same methods and throw them out. no matter what size. so if i say, oh, you mean mm hm. i showed you this one, you know, that we've been fighting against land graphing here for 18 years. it's resolved, the people living here were born and raised here, just like that. great grandparents in yahoo was that's the problem with land grabbers you see could yadi. they've taken over this whole area effort as don't you get like they came from queer bar through the jama shame, national park about the other side, but they were markings everywhere,
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logs lying everywhere. everything was occupied by land grab as at a dog. the la you then the land crap isn't lawyers. don't care about anything or any widely in english feed again. ah, no. lou nudges emma yas, online with as you want to, we join forces with them under roku people to defend the top of your sack and help draw the boundaries a new. i'm a good thought a we share a common culture with the window. roku people you know, flooded the forest, his own life blood she we hunt fish and plant potatoes and yeah, no think there's no difference between our traditional way of life other than that of the mando roku cuomo, a batch in june. i'm a little ah was
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it was july's love is good morning fighters ahead of good morning senior show r as in team ill god, this is a very important moment for me when you want them to promote, we have to stick together the human and joint forces to defend the unique mandible lambda, every one of us should pitch in on the video god. because if we don't fight off and up, we might lose it. i'm also there or can raise your hand if you want to come along. it's quite a bit error, though, if i will ever them okay. by tomorrow, i'll come jose, a bogus m i who else francisco wealth. so lemme lemme lamar if you're in come up with a for how many families live in this settlement. i, you saw a handful of people. it's not enough. i can ever go back. and so thinking there was some, when you got people should feel an obligation towards the community that this land wasn't handed over. it was conquered. and if we residents of the region do nothing will end up losing it. they mug about no homework about bad any psyche as it is.
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don't know, tina keith of is it was i suggested a few of you go door to door. she's been or sickle. dolly matter and resonate doesn't she? and asked them for how i was i keep asha m f as in school need, you know language by the way we can take the boy to her and ask them to help us gather he was gonna, he's gonna, if i didn't lease and they won't have any excuse each school, but with, with senior louis. i think he's in the house over there. ms. m, as in bob dodge. hello,
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my friend is see if i'd like to explain to you what drawing the boundaries means asked and why it's so important that i know them. i can talk that it's important for us, for you to have your land secured in the future for you and just like us. i think you also have to fight for your land. they think look that up agular thief god again as m plus, you're not or got him beard, we're being pressured by gold diggers and land grabbers invading our region deck yet. right. is if you end up being displaced by land grabbers or the government, all things will get tricky. hears up about figures you fish alike. if not, samuel, you're only here on weekends. we don't really know what's going on and escalate the rush. i should supporters of we need you must them presses are now, if you need us, then we'll help another. ah, my sons, like we're here to help and support them. i because we need them and they need us. i mean, it doesn't matter whose land it is, because it's being threatened to have somebody doing. we're going to lose our land
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and they will lose their smiles on them. we live side by side if. okay, thank oh lou. oh no, i did to my them of in good evening everyone. what you want to talk about drawing the boundaries again with the other markets. so let's look at the map and see how to get the mountain stream mop on i will start the marketing the boundary. i got there. all one thing is yahoo got a bit more. i am michael nasa. mike awesome. thank there for like we have to go through the mountains and then follow the stream for about 2 kilometers. that's our starting point. well, if i miss the microphone about him when we were drawing borders with a sorry, mobile region, we encountered miners and loggers. to paula, we told them we didn't want any conflict and we were just drawing borders with them . my father up they, i mean wanted to give y'all gave we run into any one and talk to them. they won't
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respond or why here. so i'm sure the people moving in on our land are aware of al operation fusion. all thought is that no problem doesn't over the phone, i all said yes. so i got this. yeah, i think we should follow the stream in this direction. then the path will go down on to the road just that will take us to the mountains. then we go down the road and follow the river. we'll get to the boundary. this white line here. that's where we'll start. with, [000:00:00;00] hey,
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a a little. ok, got it. a great boys. with
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work your way to the red dog of it. we've covered 500 meters lou with ah
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no, no. i came by boat and went to the meeting. i did my 1st, i didn't want to participate and went back home and id and but then the visitors because they kind of changed our minds. i used photo nobody else wanted to take part. i. we thought acute if we didn't gave you they have to work next week, but after that lap will come back here with the same i much nobody, nobody knows. one of the po stone and the other jumping childers. i my mother in law's mother, a man of the boy long before my thank you. here's the river. we're here and we'll work our way over here. are you? that's point number 12 of those. i'm willing didn't i got a lawyer and more women are getting involved too. because the government isn't dealing with this abreast on my ears committee. verified h e l s d e. yes, the women realised they have daughters soil, and that's why they have to take part in the struggle. you feel the same,
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but they have to leave their children at home. it's hard for women to take their children to protest. this feed is a if they get attacked with pepper spray, for instance, they have to run away with their children in their arms. oh, that makes it harder. of course. my son being here, but they're not giving up. they're fighting for the future of their children. there and grandchildren and every one who's yet to be born. thomas a give me a mother. i am almost like a man. i'm an asshole. and this is our land, our home. yeah. and it's been destroyed. i feel we want a little cold. women are here with our leaders and our children's, and we want to tell the government that this is our home. i sent it back. our ancestors gave it to us. yet he keyless land is sacred to us. is shaniqua mind that your loss will, that the government has destroyed every thing through you,
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but we're here to resist. and to show that we're both one little cool and women at the same time is so was maria was found bailey in the brain lonely. my mother is indigenous, not my father here, but i wanted to be a true member of an indigenous people because i'm proud of my ancestry. me thinking i think going to hold their feet, let them be yolk, and i'll have children one day too. and i want them to live here, only without the land grab my la garza gold digger. we've ended up here and he's like we want them to leave again because they're also driving out the animal. we hunted my deities a bit like he go home with about yeah, that's all i don't want it easy. sorry. you guys. i'm stuck in a traffic jam in, sorry. so,
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and saw 16 pickups headed towards on that end. and 2 bands that got unloaded and, you know, i heard there are 60 environment agency pick ups on the way to put up with . it was to stay here. 3, come with me. and the kids are changing frequencies on without finnic with this one. yes. that their frequency, they're already talking to. i edwardo you read me all the 38 you read me. i doubt you read me a lot of me about know you read me who's there more than we about? 06 vehicles just drove in to your street. roger that database simona 55 k a banjo,
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great bear with me about where you coming from on almost a farm cold. i don't know. it's my cousin a far, far as a quite or a 5 kilometer cellphone. i spend quite a lot, a lot of your motorcycle here. how to check that. i see it's for kilometers. getting into the webinar cause i did okay. i because i just kinda kept lumps over, fall under cafe. it was up with me. she'd be about $25000.00 areas are clear cut each year. what year? most of these areas are on public land and linked to illegal activities. boy, they usually involve land speculation, the formation of land, monopolies, and appropriation of public land. the logging operation is just the 1st step is a huge areas are legally occupied,
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him as an area of $30000.00 hector's belonging to just one person can yield tremendous profits while inflicting major damage on the rain forest to inlaw and bid his. but what if i could just stay with them because i had kids about them about him is guy named cassini. i was fine several times for logging back. there wasn't enough to arrest him to the authorities charged him with tax evasion. he had to release them for lack of evidence. leaving forests isn't a crime because some people have been doing it since the dawn of humanity they call the wound them contains with i say that wasn't farmers over there in the front at the cow shed. well, and there's another building farther down, push it so we don't have anything against you as
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an employee with these activities are legal i show is where you work. leave your motorcycle here and given hey, turn left here as mother was your motorcycles?
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yes. if we burn with i got up, why much did you get paid out? they knew $3000.00 right for filling trees per month. yes, i did. but but an acre the camp has been dismantled by may of this land belongs to indigenous people. no one's allowed to be here and we'll let you pack up and i just and then we're burning the rest and how about the fall? and we'll take care of the tractor and it's about that, mike. and why did he pembroke? well, let's get the tractor good. i thought okay, between a tractor is that very did it is up and by the, by the perspective they knew they could get caught at any moment, but they were listening in on us that you had there was a radio in the tractor. you know, whether you that's why they were leaving as i am not here to leaks,
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i'm with the had offered a lot and then you got called yes. how much did you make? i don't know if i take me by them yet. we're still waiting to get paid here. right . they still have to pay me. i'm supposed to get 1600 ratio. they, i'm handling avenue, they meet me and cab, keep them an end, or they don't meet it that they do it burn more working illegally on indigenous land. got hit on legally purchase land. i think the workers take big risk. yes. of the earn more ready to place by that. okay. no, it's illegal. i made a joke for the boss is compete high wages because the profits are here. my dear. thank you. so my are on untouched indigenous languages you leave and the number here is extremely high. quality my did that single angelina tree fit to the 10000 ry finance with the will always be people doing this kind of work. my painting is post icbc in the local again, we know it's a legal, you know, that we can't read or write. so this is our livelihood in the thought,
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there is no other work here with home. so let's all good. how are we supposed to survive? if these jobs disappeared? because the environment ministries, shots, everything down, like many people will starve and you won't be able to sell your house. so your land, everything will collapse all who we wouldn't fell trees if we didn't have to have it without a high school diploma. you can't work anywhere any more. you're out there. where should people like me work? who didn't go to high school? got that. that's how it is here. by that, by alan. with every inch by the big i was on the day that i mentioned, the fish them, we leaders, we know done their details and statements that we need that because we intend to prosecute their employer. my dad here, who's operating a logging company, i do, i just, i'm, of course, there tractors aren't permitted here. for instance, this is indigenous land. you know, mark and if you, this tractors in such poor condition, it can't be over. if you can't remove the tractors and they put
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a risk to the environment because they continue to be used to legally or we are allowed to destroy thought, that's what we'll do. least darlene spark would get it this lee is makena didn't to my mother in ah, yes, barbara. both of them, the environmental agency has frozen operations on my land. my entire property. if anyone wants to buy 500 hector's of crosland, i sell it for 2000000 leash young. now i put off of that in to another piece of land next door or a bit farther away and clear that will then they freeze operations and i to what's the point? less than $500.00 hector's 1200 to clear to land anyway. bob elementary, it's
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a real industry land grabbing in areas of state and rain forest means the brazilian people are gradually being expropriate is neil it's um and then there's the clear cutting which land grab has used to solidify that illegal occupation. it's the worst thing that can happen with the public property is appropriated and the rain forest is caught down me and since it's all illegal that keeps away, honest investor, the sky that's good for land grab has been bad for brazil to the bank. but as you said, shush ultimately mono must be stay shackleton started. uh huh. no. by his official fines and flames for damages aren't enough. we have to respond quickly and forcefully. it is, it's the only way we can protect the fundamental rights of the brazilian people nowadays,
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and the punishment needs to be swift and commensurate to the clients. you fabulous does this is that has been in laws that so be a dog as a dongle. black, if they don't go buy a song that the environmental issue is very complex, just wondering about d. i'm going to play devil's advocate johnson, who can guarantee me the coming generation will approve of today's protection of the rain forest. in other words, so as do you miss dana, sores on earth to day? you know, so my 5 for the fall time of either. sorry, general. so dinosaurs, no numbers. no. it wasn't. imagine if we stood up to protect them back then, then they might still be around today who says the next generation would want to know or is just because of them yet for the rental. so again, just your yahoo to give you a general. so we owe money with a sob from what is on friday. i'm self with
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a sad about the indigenous peoples belong to the past. it on his aboriginal peoples belong to the past one dish or more. but in the end they might be the ones to survive. my son, or rather their modest and respectful way of life that regards humans as a small part of a larger ho. this lapse that way of life will be the only one to endure. but as yet before year, it's conceivable that the survivors of the downfall of western civilization, but its claims to universality, will be these people as a whole book in federal babs, their culture is our future, not our past religion in all, those is a name of life always lives, we can learn so much from them and not the other way around, dissolves each rush was injecting from seducer. we believe we're civilizing them. danger yet they ought to be civilizing us. of the dimension association, brownish and shadow sinshay in my eyes. the indigenous peoples are of critical
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importance to brazil's identity no hash desk former did. there's one thing that sets us brazilians, apart from those who are destroying our planet, can do is download as opposed to being in that thing allows us to imagine a different future for brazil ill, foster. and that is that there are people still living in our country, james, who live intelligently yeoman era. a gamble is just really tough. get everyone out there looking at us. look at how exhausting leanne this is really strenuous with nothing to eat. i'm eating sugar. instead of crystal, the flower thing. mm hm . and then that they don't come
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ah, yeah, that's again to see going back, you know, going, if we agreed the mrs here at the border, but they're not here like, you know. hm. i am. i were worried and want to head toward stuff know body. i got it done with job is on. like you bob, get. i got i it is like you, but i like going to look you bella bull today from point 10 about 100 meters from here. it's another $385.00 made is to duty. so we're almost there prior to speak with his and got, and she will my, when it seems like, i mean, i see from the if we want to stop the deforestation of the amazon, like we have to protect all the unused forest areas. but right now, as it was still accessible to land crap as well. now,
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within the next 5 to 10 years, you busy lives there, mostly in the states of tata and amazon, amazon. in much of these areas the rain forest could be present. it is, for instance, in the form of nature is that all extract of reserves is there was a whole reserves for sustainable development. a little key got into you, are you, there are several categories of protect the good, allow local people to make use of the land and help accelerate the process was to provide. so we have to keep these lands from being privatized at all lab, but he said, the privatization promotes deforestation that has kind of, if this large stretch of land that is competing rain forest would to be privatized . every owner would be permitted to clear 20 percent of their property. ah ah
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ah mm hm. ah, [000:00:00;00] with i'm with that there are stories bad but he's been waiting for this for
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a long time. we had a victory today and we're just getting started. but we hope to keep going and finish drawing the broaders linkedin, right them. and on the microphone enough with me down there is you out, your children were crying. what if we don't make it with our mikey? we just got here. i, if you see my family tell them i'm doing well, i still don't believe that i felt those somewhere out of food from the cassava flowers, houston law was yesterday mechanically. yes. we said he didn't have any flour, letty, a new mom had a i didn't you? b o, we found a pretty trodden path there. got. we didn't see any one now, but we heard the sound of machines all day. good. i should yet though june. i
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bought from bob by the model. again. i have that ah look in your pack mail. i'm not complying. none of the motorcycles had a license plate and black the trucks didn't either. it's all the legal you. it's all gotten worse under the current government and went out of this. you've been a good, muddied logging. you palm heart harvesting, fishing. there's a lot more of that than there used to be 11. so me, me enjoy as a keke when we see ourselves as guardians of the land. and he came up to it. so were very concerned kids. these people are taking all of our resources and selling them. you know, stems thus into put us both on the proper yeah, go to his seat. i think he phase, we recently inspected the border of our lands to make our present spell
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a bundle nod and we found a lot of traces of intruders on his permit. you was caught a keystone farther than through his mouth, especially people clearing the forest to make grazing, land out of etc. i god. so our hoarder runs straight through an area being cleared . i just, my lager said they'd cut down a lot of trees there. i bought and they even wanted to make a deal with they all bought what i said, i'm not here to make a deal question. she just didn't think it was. yeah. yeah. you know, i don't want to pay more for people who probably what about us understood? until we've worked everything out. what we could at least take her logs with she that won't cut down any more trees. let us take a long so my mother, how does that sound? is that a deal? is she right? just wanted to know, like why fi? why did i know that's not how things work. we make the rules here.
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others may rule the roost and brazilian. but we decide here to miss out of bus. i'm makin at 1 in the morning they started taking out their tractors and at them. love them be our people. were there monitoring everything i did you feel like it's not easy dealing with the lawyers? she, as you check with her by defending an area we're exposing ourselves to danger, it is thereby and sometimes even risking our lives often. only chief or his could. you read to me. i was scared of. we were standing with cameras in front of our warriors bava, so if they'd attacked us, we would have been had 1st agency. so i was very afraid as much as it is, but what we stood up to them was that and i now and we one syngenta who made my that huge implant coil inch of incident ah by blues gayety. that's why we're demanding the government draw up our borders. but i mean
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we can protect our land vehicle up there. how are we supposed to survive in the coming years? the how are the next generation? i'm not supposed to survive somebody ah, ah, a warrior doesn't cry. you have to be strong. ah, my more brazilian than many others are because this land is what made me feel a castle day in june. we won't be in the local bondage unless people are despised,
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not just because they occupy. she'll daily jo, blue. they're also hated for the wildness inside them, their connection to nature who if their color like molded bronze, a place is okay. flesh of warrior by precision with which their arrow meets their prey last year, but i serious, limping gesture that envelops the river in this it there pensioned her caressing feathers and crafting head dresses. she'll be in there. they are hated for their silent walk at their agile mood. my god, them with their noble heritage. need to do their bodies. when you do that, reach out for the sunlight. castle indigenous people are hated for the sun. there. hated for the tree within they are hated for the river was at the least they are
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hated for their connection. what a life will be and mean to they indigenous people, they only are hated for their enduring it. how they ah are ah ah ah ah, the small acts can inspire big changes, meet the people making
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a possible. you go africa. joined them as they set out to save the environment, learn from one another and work together for a better future. many thoughts do you all for choosing it to africa. in 30 minutes on d. w. o is 2021 half gala stuff. the taliban take power and humanitarian catastrophe begins. women are violently oppressed, abject poverty becomes every day. how do people, unless gamma stand lives to day insights,
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