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after being stopped on stage ask, he was about to give a lecture in new york state, the 24 yo sucks beds has been taken into custody. of again, you can always get deed of the news on the go. just download the app from google play all from the apple app store. they'll give you access to all the latest news them around the world as well as push notifications for any braking leaves. that's all for me up next, eat so. so look at the fight to save brazil's rain foremost the small news at the top of our reduced agent. a vibrant habitat ended glistening place of long the mediterranean sea scene of l muster. and jaffar abdul karim drift along, exploring the modern lifestyles and the editor ringing. he's ready to lean journey
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in 10 episodes store to august 14th on d. w. o . o o, good news. oh, oh, cool moon. oh, oh, oh. oh
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oh. oh, i don't. i mean, what's the best approach for? i got the 1st fire. yes. then the 2nd, then the cattle can come when i got my hand about yes, if i they packed the soil down. so you rotate the pastures. wait a bit. no said 2 more fires sticking up, a little space. hold. what's your re fi as gets you a good posture. he moves from you burned all the branches and the heavy logs are gone. of this used to build cow sheds and fences. i lived in $1.00 a cost, just $15000.00 rice to build a fence. you don't have to buy, would you just pay the workers and buy the material? the program when you're looking to get a nice piece of land on the cheap my boss and for a while job that he's recorded. telephone conversations illustrate the forces at
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work and me, amazon, and how the land grabbers sidestepped the environmental agencies and legalized their ownership. obama, these land grabbers assume that whatever current rules are that will change which gassed tagged the fines for illegal activities prior to 2008 have been formerly wave to them. so they assume fines through 2014 will be waived to live omit when they say they're just clearing the forest in the name of progress. that's their argument and it's no secret. nay. no, i think it in, oh, what are you supposed to do if you can't log legally? it's your property and you need to survive. i regret having acted outside the law, but i don't regret felling trees because nothing wrong with that. or if we did clear forests, brazil wouldn't take there. don't do boys. roland grubbers. no one here isn't the one. because we're farming public land. there's no authority to tell me this is your land. i've been occupying
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a piece of land for 30 years. they think the lad, my farm, when i've been trying to register it for 20 years and no success. so that makes me a lot corroborated. any public prosecutor which the, i'm occupying public property, committed to environmental impact is a big problem. environmental laws are being violated. and they're doing everything to keep it that way. the environmental agency, he bama, want to keep operating illegally, so they can keep finding us freezing our operations. it gives them something to do single say like all of these don't have to documents here from the environmental agency, 6000000 and 1200000 aware of it. ok to lee another. i'm coming to it i to about on wednesday, we have 20 days to file an appeal. your lawyer has to do it the case and it's true,
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but it's about slave labor. and i'll take care of it in getting in who on the way to pick up a tractor we'd had stopped and impounded earlier. the perpetrator knew we were coming and hid in the forest. the officer noticed and pursued him. the suspect was armed and shot and killed the policeman with a hunting rifle. muscle i. ah. it's not bad in longing costs money if you need
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a lot of it to clear areas of around $10000.00 hector's like here in nova progresso you bought it, take serious logistics the hundreds of workers and tractors and that comes at a price and these people have the money i bought on this thing with understandable, gonna divide. i think the public prosecutor can't charge people for clearing the forest. they get accused of forming gangs or fraud things. no one can actually prove waffle. gangs intervals x is about logging. they charge us with something else, so you got that with the public prosecutor does whatever they please on political side of the hood. here, my office is one of the biggest seller of land and property. you are,
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every one knows that why are there problems to that issue? because you try to handle it all yourself. you like, we're the only ones doing this job. in the end, everyone will benefit. i know it wants to get their hands dirty. go to a broker and see if he's got anything and then they won't. that's what i said. hey, some land with proper papers, cash in hand. can you give me that ego that got it all. they bought it from us. asian comes up novel. john, we've received reports that several people with logging companies were active there . yes, we investigated those gangs and their criminal activity lesson thought that included money laundering forgery and tax evasion and is only $2.00 environmental destruction in michigan. the environmental aspect isn't the only element with a plot of land, and the amazon is much cheaper than in the south or southeast of the country. so people get greedy, local people, buy land and having a company gives them an appearance of legitimacy that you're talking about the
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documents. are there any higher? yeah, there's no way, not usually, only the new companies have contracts, the older ones, they have reports from the agricultural authority that did a legal program and other kinds of documents, like the environmental data register, which has the cadel farming thurman saw a lot for lizzie agricultural permit the boy and the environmental permanent, but it depends on the agencies in his arms. and afterwards, you can apply for a property title, and then you just have to wait a bit for it to be issued to me, i am with
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the minimum may until i get a lodging project, therefore to see stuff going locally as a grungy the fast age of a line graph can take place from a distance. he has some on the sense that sites on a big plot of land in the state of rain forest. this is decides to occupy, but the rest has to be done locally, not but it is a fuse. it connected eliza l gala ball into someone has to hire workers and do the logging ally. and the area has to be guarded policy. i it, it can unfold in stages, top of the land has to be demarcated, it's, and then it has to be defended. was a good thing, as is all to bring them in. sometimes the same plot of land will be claimed by various, well the boys, all these can lead to vine. i'd say those about us, you know, danny gay. at 1st glance the land may seem empty locally. the uh, there's actually a local community near by. yeah. you can, that leads to conflict, auto body live, or another land grampa might also be trying to claim the land that is keeping wood
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. it's no wonder that violence is rife in places where land they stole it. in the amazon violence lies the most concentrated where there's a lot of blogging coming, and there's a close link between land grabbing deforestation and violence. and the amazon jo lays as the world offices. amazon didn't work is he had his marriage. if the attack us, we strike back the same way if i that they come with clubs, knives or dogs, we fight back with the same methods and throw them out. i no matter what size. so as i said, oh, you mean mm hm. well, i shouldn't this one, you know, that we've been fighting against land grabbing here for 18 years. it's resolved, the people living here were born and raised here, just like that. great grandparents. seattle was mad. the problem with land grabbers . you see the audio they've taken over this whole area effort that don't you get like they came from queer bar through the jama shame, national park about the other side, but i were markings everywhere,
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logs lying everywhere. everything was occupied by land grabs at a dog. the la you then the land crackers and lawyers don't care about anything or anyone in the in thing has been in game. ah, don't lou notches emma yas, online with us. you want to, we join forces with them under roku people to defend the top of your lack of and helped draw the boundaries a new. i'm a good thought a we share a common culture with the window. roku people you know, flooded the forest is our life blood issue. we hunt fish and plant potatoes and yeah, no, think there's no difference between our traditional way of life other than that of the mando. roku cuomo, a batch in gene. i'm a little ah, was it was july's love is good morning fighters ahead of good morning senior,
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suarez and team ill god. this is a very important moment for me when you want them to promote. we have to stick together the human and joint forces to defend the unique mandible lambda. every one of us should pitch in on the video god. because if we don't fight to stop up, we might lose it. i'm also there or can raise your hand if you want to come along, and it's quite a bit error, though, if i will ever them. ok by tomorrow, i'll come. it shows a bogus my who else? francisco wealth, salma, lima, lamar, if you're in, come up with a for how many families live in the settlement. i, you saw a handful of people. it's not enough. i can never go back. and so think there was some, when you got people should feel an obligation towards the community that this land wasn't handed over, it was conquered. and if we residents of the region do, nothing will end up losing it. they mug about no homework about that. any psyche as
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it is, don't know, tina keith of is it was i suggested a few of you go door to door. she's been or sickle totally mad and rosa ne, doesn't she? and asked them for how i was i keep an eye show, my face is going to lead, you know, like i had, why did he thought we can take the boat over and ask them to help us gather he was gonna, hey, i'm gonna, if i didn't lease, and they won't have any excuses. but with where senior luis, i think he's in the house over there is amazon, but dodge, hello, my friends. you see,
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if i'd like to explain to you what drawing the boundaries means, asked and why it's so important that and i them like the fact that it's important for us, for you to have your land secured in the future to you. and just like us, i think you also have to fight for your lance. they think that they're your thief, you got a very nice empress. you're not all got embedded. we're being pressured by gold diggers and land grabbers. invading our region back yet. right. is if you end up being displaced by land grabbers or the government, all things will get tricky here supper. but take a diffuse and like if not tomorrow, you're only here on weekends. we don't really know what's going on. madeline esquire, they rush. i should supporters of we need you merge them presses our house. if you need us, then we'll help you. ah, my sons, like we're here to help and support them. i because we need them and they need us. i mean, it doesn't matter whose land it is, because it's being threatened to have somebody doing. we're going to lose our land
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and they will lose their smiles on them. we live side by side. if okay, i think our noise is, is my them of in good evening everyone. we want to talk about drawing the boundaries again with the on the market. so let's look at the map and see how to get the mountain stream mop on there. we'll start the marketing the boundary. i got there. all one thing is yahoo got a bit more. i recognized that a mock awesome. then caroline, we have to go through the mountains and then follow the stream for about 2 kilometers. that's our starting point. well, if i miss the, the my from the thought him when we were drawing borders with a sorry, mobile region, we encountered miners and loggers. to paula, we told them we didn't want any conflict and we were just drawing borders with them . my father and most of them it wanted to give y'all, gave we run into any one and talk to them. they won't respond on their way. oh,
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i'm sure the people moving in on our land are aware of al operation. all thought is that both of them don't over the phone. i all said yes. so i guess it's, yeah, i think we should follow the stream in this direction. then the path will go down on to the road just that will take us to the mountains. then we go down the road and follow the river. we'll get to the boundary. this white line here. that's where we'll start with, [000:00:00;00] hey,
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a a . ok, got it. right? or is your with
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work your way to the red dog of it. we've covered 500 meters lou with ah
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no, no. i came by boat and went to the meeting. i did my 1st, i didn't want to participate and went back home and id and but then the visitors because they kind of changed our minds. i use photo nobody else wanted to take part . i. we thought it cute if we didn't gain like you, they have to work next week, but after that lap will come back here with the same i much nobody, nobody knows. one of the po, stone and the other jumping shoulders. i love a man of the boy long before my thank you. here's the river. we're here and we'll work our way over here. are you? that's point number 12 of those. i'm willing, didn't i go to lower and more women are getting involved to because the government isn't dealing with this aggression near as good as that. i have friday. the easiest, the women realised they have daughters soil and that's why they have to take part in the struggle. you feel the same,
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but they have to leave their children at home. it's hard for women to take their children to protest. this is a if they get attacked with pepper spray, for instance, they have to run away with their children in their arms. oh, that makes it harder. of course. my son being here, but they're not giving up. they're fighting for the future of their children there . and grandchildren and every one who's yet to be born. thomas a, give me your mother. i am a stomach here, ma'am. i'm an asshole. and all this is our land, our home. yeah. and it's been destroyed. i feel good breath. we want a little cold. women are here with our leaders and our children's, and we want to tell the government that this is our home. i sent it back. our ancestors gave it to us yankee gillis. land is sacred to us, is shaniqua mind that your last little that the government has destroyed everything miss through you,
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but we're here to resist. and to show that we're both one little cool and women at the same time is so was marie, i just found bailey in the brain. lonely. my mother is indigenous. not my father, but i wanted to be a true member of an indigenous people because i'm proud of my ancestry new thinking . i think going to hold their feet, let them be eeoc, and i'll have children one day too, and i want them to live here. only without the land grab my la garza gold digger. you've ended up here, danny, like we want them to leave again because they're also driving out the animal. we hunted my dd. it is a bad life. go home with about. yeah, that's all i don't want it easy. sorry you guys. i'm stuck in a traffic jam in, sorry, so,
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and saw 16 pick ups headed towards on that ink. and 2 bands that got unloaded and, you know, i heard there are 60 environment agency pick ups on the way to put up with . it was to stay here. 3, come with me and the kids are changing frequencies on without finnic with this one. yes. that their frequency, they're already talking to. i edwardo you read me all the 38 you read me. i doubt you read me about know you read me who's there more than we about? 06 vehicles just drove in to your street. roger that database simona? 55. okay. about?
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oh great bear with me here. are you coming from on almost a farm cold? i don't know, it's my cousin a far as of quite 4 or 5 kilometer cellphone. i spend quite a lot, a lot of your motorcycle here. how to check that. i see it's 4 kilometers. get into the webinar cause i did. okay. i because i just kinda kept lumps over, fall under cafe. mm hm. it was almost not. i mean she'd be about $25000.00 areas are clear cut each year. what year? most of these areas are on public land and linked to illegal activities. boy, they usually involve land speculation, the formation of land, monopolies, and appropriation of public land. the logging operation is just the 1st step. huge areas are legally occupied,
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him as an area of 30000 hector's belonging to just one person can yield tremendous profits while inflicting major damage on the rain forest when long and bit his. but what if i could just stay up with them when i had kids about them, this guy named cassini, i was fine several times for logging back. there wasn't enough to arrest him to the authorities charged him with tax evasion. he had to release them for lack of evidence. leaving forests isn't a crime because some people have been doing it since the dawn of humanity. they've got a wound them contains with i a say that wasn't farmers over there. in the front at the cow shed will and there's another building farther down. push it so we don't have anything against you as an employee with these activities are legal
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even though i show is where you work. leave your motorcycle here and given hey, turn left here. as mother was your motorcycles? yes. if we burn with
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i got up. why much did you get paid? we bought a new 3000 right for filling trees. per month. yes. i did. but, but an acre in the camp has been dismantled by may of this land belongs to indigenous people. no one's allowed to be here and we'll let you pack up and i just and then we're burning the rest of the fall and we'll take care of the tractor. and it's about that, mike. and why did he pembroke? well, let's get the tractor good. i thought, okay, the clean attractor is that very good. any that, that i buy, that was a basic cheap, they knew they could call to any momentum, but they were listening in on us that you had there was a radio in the tractor, you know, whether you that's why they were leaving as i am not here 2 weeks, i'm willing to head off today and learn a lot. and then you called called yes. how much did you make?
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i don't know if i take me by them yet. we're still waiting to get paid here. right . they still have to pay me, right. i'm supposed to get 1600 ratio. they. i'm handling ivanhoe lane, newton, and cab keep. i'm an engineer. tell me. it doesn't hurt more working illegally on indigenous land than on legally purchase land. i think the workers take big risk. yes. of the earn more ready to place by that. okay. no, it's illegal. i made a joke for the boss is compete high wages because the profits are here. i think you somewhere on untouched indigenous languages you leave and the number here is extremely high quality. my did that single angelina tree fit to $10000.00 ry finance? there will always be people doing this kind of work. my painting is post icbc in the local yet, we know it's a legal, you know, that we can't read or write. so this is our livelihood, becky:
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in the thought there is no other work here with home so like, oh good. how are we supposed to survive? if these jobs disappeared? because the environment ministry shots, everything down like many people will starve and you won't be able to sell your house. so your land. everything will collapse all who we wouldn't fell trees if we didn't have to have it without a high school diploma. you can't work anywhere any more. you're out there. where should people like me work? who didn't go to high school that get the said, that's how it is here. i thought by alan with honestly you integrate barbara, they don't on a day that i mentioned this them way leaders but we know done their details and statements. we need that because we intend to prosecute their employer my they need and who's operating a logging company. i'd urge them, of course, they're tractors aren't permitted here a fort since this is indigenous land, you know, mark and if you this tractors in such poor condition, it can't be over if you can't remove the tractors and they put
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a risk to the environment because they continue to be used to legally or we are allowed to destroy thought that's what we'll do at least earlier and spoke with this lee. it's mac and i didn't to my mother in i was born on environmental agency as frozen operations on my land. my entire property. if anyone wants to buy 500 hector's of crosland, i sell it for 2000000 leash young. now i put off of that into another piece of land next door or a bit farther away and clear that will then they freeze operations and i to what's the point? less than a $500.00 hector's 1200 have cleared the land anyway. bob elementary, it's
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a real industry land grabbing in areas of state and rain forest means the brazilian people are gradually being expropriate. neil, it's um and then there's the clear cutting it, which land grab has used to solidify that illegal occupation. it's the worst thing that can happen with the public property is appropriated and the rain forest is caught down me and since it's all illegal that keeps away, honest investor, the sky that's good for land grab has been bad for brazil to the bank. but as you said, shush ultimately mono must be seen. shackleton, sergeant is on the buses, official fines, and claims for damages aren't enough. we have to respond quickly and forcefully. it gets the only way we can protect the fundamental rights of the brazilian people
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nowadays. and the punishment needs to be swift and commensurate to the clients you fabulous. does. this is sad, has been in laws that so be a dog as a dog leg, if they don't go buy a song that the environmental issue is very complex. i was just wondering about getting, i'm going to play devil's advocate johnson, who can guarantee me the coming generation will approve of today's protection of the rain forest. in other words, so as do you miss dana, sores on earth to day? you know, so my 5 fall fall time ago. even. sorry, joe saw dinosaurs no numbers. no. it wasn't. imagine if we stood up to protect them back then, then they might still be around today. who says the next generation would want to know or is just, you know, some of them. yep. for them, i'll go. so we're going to go to, to give you the, you know, so we owe money with a sob from what is not funny, unsolved with the indigenous peoples belong to the past. it on his aboriginal
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peoples belong to the past, more than one dish or more. but in the end, they might be the ones to survive my son, or rather their modest and respectful way of life that regards humans as a small part of a larger ho. this lapse that way of life will be the only one to endure. but as yet before year, it conceivable that the survivors of the downfall of western civilization, but its claims to universality, will be these people who put the federal babs, their culture is our future, not our past religion. they all roses and i, my wife always lived. we can learn so much from them and not the other way around, dissolves in rush was injecting from seducer. we believe we're civilizing them. danger yet they ought to be civilizing us. of the dimension association, brownish and shadow century, my eyes, the indigenous peoples, are of critical importance to brazil's identity,
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the hash desa former did. there's one thing that sets asper salience apart from those who are destroying our planet could use download as opposed to being in that thing allows us to imagine a different future for brazil ill foster. and that is that there are people still living in our country. james, who live intelligently yeoman era, a gamble is just really tough. get everyone out there looking at us. look at how exhausting leanne this is really strenuous with nothing to eat. i'm eating sugar instead of crystal the flower thing. mm hm. and if they don't come, ah, dead,
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as you can see going back, you know, going, if we agreed the mrs. here at the border, but they're not here like, you know. hm. i am. i were worried and want to head toward stuff know body. i got it done with job. he's on like you, bob, get. i got i it is like you, but i like going to like you put a lot bull today from point 10 about 100 meters from here. it's another $385.00 made is to duty. so we're almost there by an issue with his and got, and she will my, when it seems month, i mean, i see from the if we want to stop the deforestation of the amazon, what we have to protect all the unused forest areas. but right now, as it will still accessible to land crap as well. now,
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within the next 5 to 10 years, you get a lot. they're mostly in the states of tata and amazon, amazon. in much of these areas, the rain forest could be presented. for instance, in the form of nature is that all extractive reserve says there was a whole reserves for sustainable development to little he got into do you are you, there's several categories of protect, good. allow local people to make use of the land and help accelerate the process was to provide. so we have to keep these lands from being privatized at all lab. but he said, the privatization promotes deforestation that has come up of if this large stretch of land that is covered in rain forest would be privatized. every owner would be permitted to clear 20 percent of their property. ah
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ah ah, [000:00:00;00] with i'm with that there are stories that brief been waiting for this for
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a long time. we had a victory today and we're just getting started. but we hope to keep going and finish drawing the broaders like in write them in on the microphone enough with my shout, your children were crying. what if we don't make it with our mikey? we just got here. i, if you see my family tell them i'm doing well. i skills of 11. i thought those somewhere out of food and the cassava flowers, houston law was yesterday mechanically. yes. we said we didn't have any flour, letty. a new mom had a i didn't you. v o, we found a pretty trodden path that we didn't see any one now. but we heard the sound of machines all day. did i forget the june i bought about by the model they didn't
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i have that ah look in your pack mail. i'm not complying. none of the motorcycles had a license plate and black the trucks didn't either. it's all the legal, it's all gotten worse under the current government and gwent out of this. you have been a good, muddied logging. you palm heart harvesting fishing. there's a lot more of that than there used to be on. so weak me in noise like even we see ourselves as guardians of the land and he keep up. so we're very concerned kids . these people are taking all of our resources and selling them in our stems. thus in to put us both of the buffer. yeah, got a his think. i think he phase, we recently inspected the border of our lands to make our present spell
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a bundle nod and we found a lot of traces of intruders as him is for mitchie was caught a keystone farther than through his mouth, especially people clearing the forest to make grazing, land out of etc, i god. so our hoarder runs straight through an area being cleared. i just, my lager said they'd cut down a lot of trees there at the bottom. and they even wanted to make a deal with they all bought what i said, i'm not here to make a deal question. she just didn't think it was. yeah. yeah. you know, i don't want to give up a few minutes. probably what about us understood? until we've worked everything out, what we could at least take her logs with she that won't cut down any more trees. let us take a long so my mother, how does that sound? is that a deal? me see if i just wanted to know, like i did, i know that's not how things work. we make the rules here. others may rule the
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roost and brazil. ya. but we decide here to miss out of bus. i'm makin at 1 in the morning they started taking out their tractors and at them love them be our people . were there monitoring everything i did you feel like it's not easy dealing with the lawyers. she as you check with her by defending an area where, exposing ourselves to danger it is thereby and sometimes even risking our lives. austin only chief or his could you eat, isn't she? me? i was scared of. we were standing with cameras in front of our warriors, isabella, so if they'd attacked us, we would have been had 1st a. yeah, yeah. and she so i was very afraid as much as it is what we stood up to them, was that and i now and we one syngenta who made my that huge implant koya lynch of incident ah by blues gayety. that's why we're demanding the government draw up our borders. but
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unless we can protect our land vehicle up the how are we supposed to survive in the coming years? the how are the next generation? i'm not supposed to survive. somebody ah, ah, a warrior doesn't cry. you have to be strong. ah, my more brazilian than many others are because this land is what made me feel a buckle. ah, because he'll be in june. we won't be in the local bondage in us. people are
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despised, not just because they occupy feel daily. jo, blue, they're also hated for the wildness inside them, their connection to nature who if their color like molded bronze a braces. okay. flesh of warrior by precision with which their arrow meets their prey last year. but i serious, limping gesture that envelops the river. in this, it their pension per caressing feathers and crafting head dresses. she'll be in there. they are hated for their silent walk at their adg. i'll move my god and moving their noble heritage, need to do their bodies. when you do that, reach out for the sunlight, castle indigenous people are hated for the sun. there hated for the tree within they are hated for the river was at the least. they are hated for their connection walked a life is still being mean to they indigenous people,
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they only are hated for their and during how they ah ah ah ah ah ah i feel the freedom feel the black line at the
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urban highline festival artists from 15 countries come together in poland and show off their skills at correct taking height. not for the weak of heart eula, in 30 minutes, d, w, with people in trucks injured when trying to flee the city center. more and more refugees are being turned away as the border. families play involvement tags in syria to be critical. illness is we learn to get them straight. a russ getting 200 people with around the world. more than 300000000
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