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i don't. i mean what's the best approach for? i got the 1st fire. yes. then the 2nd about them, the cattle can come when i got my hand about yes, if i they pack the soil down. so you rotate the pastures. wait a bit, no, said 2 more fire a little space. who would you re fi as gets you a good posture? he moves for you, burned all the branches and the heavy logs are gone. of this used to build cow sheds and fences. i lived in $1.00. you had cost just $15000.00 rice to build a fence. you don't have to buy, would you just pay the workers and buy the material? the, i'm wondering if you get a nice piece of land on the cheap my boss, and for a while job that he's recorded, telephone conversations illustrate the forces at work and me, amazon, and how the land grabbers sidestepped the environmental agencies and legalized their ownership. obama. these land grabbers assume that whatever current rules are
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that will change which gassed tagged the fines for illegal activities prior to 2008 have been formerly wave to ok, so they assume fines through 2014 will be waived to live omit when they say they're just clearing the forest in the name of progress, that's their argument, and it's no secret, nay. no, i think it in. oh, what are you supposed to do? if you can't log legally? it's your property and you need to survive. i regret having acted outside the law, but i don't regret felling trees because nothing wrong with that. or if we did clear forests, brazil wouldn't take their don't dog boys like roland grubbers. no one here isn't one, because we're farming public land. there's no authority to tell me this is your land. i've been occupying a piece of land for 30 years. do you think the lad, my farm, when i've been trying to register it for 20 years and no success goes to that makes me a land corroborated. any public prosecutor see,
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i'm occupying public property. america star info on got me to to do the environmental impact is a big problem. environmental laws are being violated and they're doing everything to keep it that way. the environmental agency he bama wanted to keep operating illegally so they can keep finding us freezing our operations. and it gives them something to do single say like all of these things. we have to documents here from the environmental agency, 6000000 and 1200000 aware of it. ok to lee another i'm coming to talk to about on wednesday. we have 20 days to file an appeal . your lawyer has to do it the case and it's true, but it's about slave labor and i'll take care of it in getting in
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on the way to pick up a tractor we'd had stopped and impounded earlier. the perpetrator knew we were coming and hid in the forest. the officer noticed and pursued him. the suspect was armed and shot and killed the policeman with a hunting rifle. muscle. ah. my bad name, longing costs money if you need a lot of it to clear areas of around $10000.00 hector's like here in nova progress . so it takes serious logistics the hundreds of workers and tractors,
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and that comes at a price. and these people have the money i bought on this thing with the divide. i think the public prosecutor can't charge people for clearing the forest. they get accused of forming gangs or fraud things. no one can actually prove it. wow, hold gangs intervals. x is about logging from. they charge us with something else. you got that was the public prosecutor does whatever they please. i'm a political side of the hood here. my office is one of them is the biggest seller of land and property. you are. every one knows that. why are there problems to that issue? because you try to handle it all yourself. you like, we're the only ones doing this job in the end. everyone will benefit
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i know it wants to get their hands dirty. go to a broker and see if he's got anything and then they won't. that's what i said, a some land with proper papers. cash in hand, can you give me that? he goes, i got a call. they bought it from us. say she comes up babel job. we've received reports that several people with logging companies were active there. yes, we investigated those gangs and their criminal activity lesson, all of that included money laundering forgery and tax evasion, and is only $2.00 environmental destruction in michigan. the environmental aspect isn't the only element with a plot of land, and the amazon is much cheaper than in the south or southeast of the country. so people get greedy, local people, buy land and having a company gives them an appearance of legitimacy that you're talking about the documents. are there any? no way, not usually, only the new companies have contracts. the older ones,
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they have reports from the agricultural authority that did a legal program and other kinds of documents, like the environmental data register, which has the cadel farming thurman saw a wildfire best. lizzie, agricultural permit, boy, and the environmental permanent. but it depends on the agencies in his arms. and afterwards, you can apply for a property title, and then you just have to wait a bit for it to be issued. to me, i am with the minimum may until i get illogical to set stuff. going locally is a grungy fast age of a land graph. can take place from a distance,
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he has some on the sense that sites on a big plot of land in the state of rain forest. this is decides to occupy, but the rest has to be done locally, not but it is a fusion connected eliza. l gala fall into someone has to hire workers and do the logging ally. and the area has to be guarded policy. i it, it, it can unfold in stages, top of the land has to be demarcated, it's, and then it has to be defended. was a good thing, as is all to bring them in. sometimes the same plot of land will be claimed by various legal boys. all these can lead to vine. i'd say those about us, you know, danny gay. at 1st glance the land may seem empty locally. the uh, there's actually a local community nearby. yeah, that leads to conflict auto body live, or another land grampa might also be trying to claim the land that is keeping wood . it's no wonder that violence is rife in places where land is stole. now, it, in the amazon violence lies the most concentrated where there's a lot of blogging coming and there's
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a close link between land grabbing deforestation and violence. and the amazon you're lazy. the would also say i was, i was with what we can see here, where it's just the attack us. we straight back the same way. if i that they come with clubs now use are dogs. we fight back with the same methods and throw them out . i no matter what size. so as i said, oh, you mean mm hm. fashion to this one. you know, that we've been fighting against land graphing here for 18 years. it's resolved, the people living here were born and raised here, just like that. great grandparents in yahoo was that's the problem with land grabbers. you see the audio they've taken over this whole area effort as don't you get like they came from queer bar through the jama shame, national park about the mother thought that they were markings everywhere, logs lying everywhere. everything was occupied by land grab as at a dog. the la you then the land crap isn't lawyers. don't care about anything or anyone in the in thing has been in game.
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ah, don't lou notches emma leah's online with as you want to, we join forces with amanda roku, people to defend the top of your snack and help draw the boundaries a new. i'm a good thought a we share a common culture with the window. roku people you know, flooded the forest to sound life blank. she we hunt fish and plant potatoes and yeah, i don't think there's a difference between our traditional way of life other than that of the mando roku . como a budget jim i'm a little i was it was july's love is good morning fighters ahead of good morning senior. suarez and team ill guy. this is a very important moment for me when you want lunch, but i know we have to stick together the human and joint forces to defend the
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unique mandible land. ha. every one of us should pitch in on the video. god. because if we don't fight to stop up, we might lose it and also stay or get raise your hand if you want to come along. it's quite a bit error, though, if i will ever them okay by tomorrow, i'll come here. joe's a bogus m. i who else francisco wealth. so lemme lemme lamar if your income up i was i for how many families live in the settlement. i saw a handful of people. it's not enough. i can never go back. and so i think there was some, when you got people should feel an obligation towards the community that this land wasn't handed over. it was conquered. and if we residents of the region do nothing will end up losing it. they might go out. oh my god, my bad any psyche as it is, don't know. tina keith tell visit was i suggested a few of you go door to door. she's been or sickle totally mad and rosa ne, doesn't she? and asked them for how i was i keep asha m f as in squan village and you know,
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like i had to put it on, we can take the boat to her and ask them to help us gather he was gonna, hey, gonna, if i didn't lease and they won't have any excuses, but with where senior luis, i think he's in the house over there. ms. amazon. but dodge, hello, my friend is see if i'd like to explain to you what drawing the boundaries means asked and why it's so important that and i them like the fact that it's important for us, for you to have your land secured in the future for you and just like us,
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i think you also have to fight for your land. they think that they're your thief, you got a very nice empress. you're not all got embedded. we're being pressured by gold diggers and land grabbers. invading our region back yet. right. is if you end up being displaced by land grabbers or the government, all things will get tricky. hears up about figures, diffuse, and like if not sound like you're only here on weekends. we don't really know what's going home. and then escalade, they rush, i should supporters of we need you, of mazda impreza. now, if you need us, then we'll help you. ah, my sons, like, we're here to help and support them. i because we need them, and they need us. i mean, it doesn't matter whose land it is, because it's being threatened to have somebody doing. we're going to lose our land and they will lose their smiles on them. we live side by side. they focus a think or
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more noise. is it my them of in good evening everyone than what we want to talk about drawing the boundaries again with the other markets. so let's look at the map and see how to get to the mountain the stream op on. i will start the marketing the boundary. i got there. all one thing is yahoo got a bit more. i recognized that a mock awesome. then caroline, we have to go through the mountains and then follow the stream for about 2 kilometers. that's our starting point. well, if i miss the microphone about him when we were drawing borders with a sorry, mobile region, we encountered miners and loggers, paula, we told them we didn't want any conflict and we were just drawing the borders of them, my father, and most of them it wanted to give y'all gave, we run into any one and talk to them, they won't respond there. why here? so i'm sure that people moving in on our land are aware of al operation fusion. all thought is that no problem doesn't over the phone, i all said yes. so i got this. yeah,
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i think we should follow the stream in this direction. then the path will go down on to the road just that will take us to the mountains. then we go down the road and follow the river. we'll get to the boundary. this white line here. that's where we'll start with, [000:00:00;00] hey, a
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a . okay, you got it. right? or is your with work your way to the red dog of it. we've covered 500 meters
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lou with ah no, no. i came by boat and went to the meeting. i did my 1st, i didn't want to participate and went back home and i easy. but then the visitors because they kind of changed our minds. i used photo nobody else wanted to take
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part. i. we thought it cute if we did like a like you, they have to work next week, but after that lap will come back here with the same i much nobody, nobody knows. one of the po stone and the other jumping childers. i my mother in law, a man of the boy mom before my thank you. here's the river. we're here and we'll work our way over here. are you? that's point number 12 of those. i'm willing, didn't i got a lawyer and more women are getting involved too, because the government isn't dealing with this. aggression near as good as they have friday. the easiest, the women realised they have daughters soil and that's why they have to take part in the struggle. you feel the same, but they have to leave their children at home. it's hard for women to take their children to protest. this is a if they get attacked with pepper spray, for instance, they have to run away with their children in their arms. oh,
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that makes it harder. of course, my son being here, but they're not giving up. they're fighting for the future of their children there . and grandchildren, ethel and every one who's yet to be born a little give him a dwelling. i am almost like he ma'am, i'm an asshole. and all this is our land, our home. yeah. and it's been destroyed. i feel we want a little cold. women are here with our leaders and our children's, and we want to tell the government that this is our home. i sent it back. our ancestors gave it to us yankee unless land is sacred to us is shaniqua dominic jo last little that the government has destroyed everything to you, but we're here to resist. and to show that we're both one little cool and women at the same time is so was maria was found bailey
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in there, by in lonely my mother is indigenous, not my father here, but i wanted to be a true member of an indigenous people because i'm proud of my ancestry, new thinking, i think going to hold their feet, let them be yoke, and i'll have children one day too, and i want them to live here. only without the land. grab my la garza gold digger and ended up here and he's like we want them to leave again because they're also driving out the animal. we hunted my dd. it is a fast cassidy bear. i think our home with about yeah, that's all. i don't want it easy. sorry. you guys. i'm stuck in a traffic jam in, sorry, so, and saw 16 pickups headed towards on that end. and 2 bands that got unloaded. and you know,
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i heard there are 60 environment agency pick ups on the way to put up with it was to stay here. 3, come with me and he's a kid for changing frequencies on without finnic with this one. yes. that of their frequency. they're already talking to i edwardo you read me all the 38 you read me. i doubt you read me a lot of me about know you read me who's there more than we about? 06 vehicles just drove in to your street. roger that database simona 55 k a banjo, great bear with
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me about where you coming from on almost a farm cold. i don't know. it's my cousin a far as a quite or a 5 kilometer cellphone. i spend quite a lot. a lot of your motorcycle here. how to check that. i see it's for kilometers . getting into the webinar cause i did. okay. i because i just got like a fast lobster fall under cafe. mm hm. it was almost let me see about $25000.00 areas are clear cut each year. yeah, most of these areas are on public land and linked to illegal activities. boy, they usually involve land speculation, the formation of land, monopolies, and appropriation of public land. the logging operation is just the 1st step. huge areas are legally occupied, him as an area of $30000.00 hector's belonging to just one person can yield tremendous profits while inflicting major damage on the rain forest to inlaw and bid his. but what if i could just stay up with them? what they say because about them about them is guy named cassini. i was fine
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several times for logging back. there wasn't enough to arrest him to the authorities charged him with tax evasion. he had to release them for lack of evidence. leaving forests isn't a crime because some people have been doing it since the dawn of humanity that is called the wound them contains with i essay that wasn't farmers over there in the front, at the cow shed. and there's another building farther down to push it. so we don't have anything against you as an employee with these activities are legal of italian
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i show is where you work. leave your motorcycle here and given turn left here as mother was you are motorcycles. yes. if we burn with i got up. why much did you get paid? we bought a new 3000 right for filling trees. per month. yes. i did. but but an
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acre the camp is being dismantled by mantle. this land belongs to indigenous people . no one's allowed to be here and we'll let you pack up and i just and then we're burning the rest apple and we'll take care of the tractors it is baptized. michael, why did he per pallet to get the tractor? good. i thought, okay, the clean of tractor is that very good? any that, that i buy, that was a basic cheap. they knew they could get caught at any moment and they were listening in on us that you had. there was a radio in the tractor, you know, whether you that's why they were leaving as i, you know, every 2 weeks i'm willing to head off today. it was a lot and then you got caught? yes. yeah. how much did you make? i don't know if i take them by them yet. we're still waiting to get paid for it, but they still have to pay me. i'm supposed to get 1600 ratio. they. i'm handling
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ivanhoe lane. i can't go by keith. i'm an engineer on me. did that i heard more working illegally on indigenous land than on legally purchase land. i think the workers take big risk. yes. of the earn more he to point to find out a new it's illegal i'm. i'm gonna kill cheese for the bosses. compete high wages because the profits are here, i think, is from iran, untouched. indigenous land obligation leave. and the number here is extremely high quality. my debate, single angelina tree fits his 10000 right. is that with the will always be people doing this kind of work. my painting is post icbc and ah, we get, we know it's illegal, you know, we can't read or write. so this is our livelihood. i thought there's no other work here with home so little good. how are we supposed to survive if these jobs disappear? because the environment ministries shots, everything down,
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like many people will starve and he won't be able to sell your house so your land. everything will collapse so we wouldn't fell trees if we didn't have to have without a high school diploma. you can't work anywhere anymore since you're out there. so where should people like me work? who didn't go to high school? got back at the said, that's how it is here. but by allen, we done the interview by that they don't on a day that i mentioned now this them way leaders. we note down their details and statements that we need that because we intend to prosecute their employer. my dad here, who's operating a logging company. i do, i just, i'm, of course, they're tractors aren't permitted here. for instance, this is indigenous land. you know, mike, and if you this tractors in such poor condition, it can't be moved over. if you can't remove the tractors and they put a risk to the environment because they continue to be used to legally or we are allowed to destroy them. but that's what we'll do with these,
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darlene spots open today. this is lee is makena. oh good. it's my mother. in there, the barbara with environmental agency has frozen operations on my mind. my entire property. if anyone wants to buy 500 hector's of crosland, i sell it for 2000000 leisha young. now i put half of that into another piece of land next door or a bit farther away and clear that will then they freeze operations. and that to the point less than a $500.00 hector's $1200.00 to have cleared the land. anyway, a elementary, it's a real industry land grabbing in areas of state and rain forest means the brazilian people are gradually being expropriated is neil. it's um and then there's the clear cutting it,
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which land grab is used to solidify that illegal occupation. it's the worst thing that can happen was public property is appropriated and the rain forest is caught down a and since it's all illegal, keeps away honest investors. that's good for land grabbers and bad for brazil to the bank, but as usable shush ah lovely moment missy and shackleton started. uh huh. go by says official fines and flames for damages aren't enough. we have to respond quickly and forcefully. it is, it's the only way we can protect the fundamental rights of the brazilian people at 8 and the punishment needs to be swift and commensurate to the client. you fabulous does this is i was good in law's car, so be a dog as a dongle. black, so they don't go buy a song that the environmental issue is very complex. well, just want to go, gee,
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i'm going to play devil's advocate johnson who can guarantee me the coming generation will approve of today's protection of the rain forest is never over. in other words, so as do you miss dinosaurs on earth to day? you know, so my 5 fall fall time, a plugin. sorry joe saw dinosaurs, no numbers. no. it wasn't. imagine if we stood up to protect them back then, then they might still be around today who says the next generation would want to know or systems of the upper level go. so we're going to go to, to give you a general, so we owe money. we would have a sob. someone is not fighting unsolved, would sat of it? the indigenous peoples belong to the past ticket submitted went on, his aboriginal peoples belong to the past one dish or more. but in the end they might be the ones to survive. my son rather than modest and respectful way of life
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that regards humans as a small part of a larger ho. this lapse that way of life will be the only one to indulge. budget before it's conceivable that the survivors of the downfall of western civilization with its claims to universality, will be these people who put several baps, their culture is our future, not our past religion being all those this and i'm not life, always my age. we can learn so much from them and not the other way around, dissolves each rush was injecting from cp designs. we believe we're civilizing them . danger yet they ought to be civilizing us. of the dimension association, but unleash since shackleton shit in my eyes. the indigenous peoples are of critical importance to brazil's identity do hash desk phone with. there's one thing that sets off brazilians apart from those who are destroying our planet. dano as opposed to being in that thing allows us to imagine
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a different future for brazil. ill foster and that is that there are people still living in our country. james, who live intelligently yeoman era. did you say that gamble is really tough? get everyone out there looking at us? look at how exhausting we are. this is really strenuous, with nothing to eat, man, i'm eating sugar instead of cassava flower. mm hm. and if they don't come, ah, as we can see, going back, you know, going, if we agreed the mrs. here at the border, but they're not here. you don't like, you know? hm. i am never worried and want to head towards the body. i gotta tell michelle
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then he's on like you, bob? get. i got, i really like you, but i'll, i going to licky bella don't to day from 10 about 100 meters from here. it's another $385.00 made is to duty. so we're almost there by the thought. hm. ah, mm. ah, his and got, and she, well my wife things month, i mean by 6 little if we want to stop the deforestation of the amazon, what we have to protect all of the unused forest areas. that right now, as it will still accessible to land crap as well within the next 5 to 10 years, even even allotted there, mostly in the states of tata and amazon us on us in much of these areas,
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the rain forest could be presented, for instance, in the form of nature reserve, so all extract of reserves as a whole reserves for sustainable development. a little key got into the audio. there is several categories of protection that could allow local people to make use of the land and help accelerate that process was to provide. so we have to keep these lines from being privatized at all lab, but he said, the privatization promotes deforestation this day, has caught up if this large stretch of land that is covered in rain forest would be privatized. every owner would be permitted to clear 20 percent of that property. mm mm mm. mm. mm. mm. mm. mm. mm.
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mm. mm. mm. mm. mm. mm. ah, a i mean with that there are stories band brief been waiting for this for a long time. we had a victory today and we're just getting started, but we hope to keep going and finish drawing the broaders, linkedin,
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write them in on the microphone enough with them. don't you out your children were crying. what if we don't make it with our mikey? we just got here from our didn't let them, you know, if you see my family tell them i'm doing well, what i skill there that i felt those somewhere out of food and the cassava flowers used a yesterday at the camp. like yes, we said we didn't have any formula. i knew mom. yeah. i don't u v oh i'm, we found a pretty trodden path. it got. we didn't see any one hour, but we heard the sound of machines all day. did you get the you i bought about by the model again. i'm with mm. ah.
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not in any off by marijuana. kentucky. none of the motorcycles had a license plate and black the trucks didn't either. it's all the legal you. it's all worse under the current government and going to other disco vinegar, muddied, logging you palm, heart harvesting, fishing. there's a lot more of that than there used to be alive on. so me, me enjoy as a keke when we see ourselves as guardians of the land and he keep up. so we're very concerned kids. these people are taking all of our resources and selling them can wash themes the same to put us both on the proper yeah, go to his seat. i think he phase, we recently inspected the border of our lands to make our presence felt a bundle nod and we found a lot of traces of intruders on them. but his po, mitchie, was caught to keep it on file and blew his mouth, especially people clearing the forest to make grazing land out of it to yeah god.
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so our border runs straight through an area being cleared a longer said they'd cut down a lot of trees. there are be bob and they even wanted to make a deal with um dedicated, they'll buy what i said. i'm not here to make a deal. i just didn't think was yeah, yeah, you know, i don't want to be able to people probably what about us understood to we've worked everything out once we could at least take her logs with she that won't cut down any more trees. let us take a long see my mother. how does that sound? is that a deal? is she right? just wanted to know you think my fee. i know that's not how things work. we make the rules here. others may rule the roost and brazil. ya. but we decide here to miss out of bus. i'm mike in at 1 in the morning they started taking out their tractors and then left them be our people. were there monitoring everything? i guess you for anthony. it's not easy dealing with the lawyers here. you check
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with the by defending an area where exposing ourselves to danger it is thereby and sometimes even risking our line. yes. and i wanted, well he's could you read to me? i was scared. we were standing with cameras in front of our warriors bava. so if they'd attacked us, we would have been had 1st agency, so i was very afraid that you just did it. but we stood up to them with that and i now and we won syngenta who made my attention for an oil change of incident ah by bodies gayety. that's why we're demanding the government draw up our borders. but i mean, we can protect our land vehicle up there. how are we supposed to survive in the coming years? the how are the next generation? i'm not supposed to survive somebody.
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ah, ah, sure, a warrior doesn't cry. you have to be strong with them. i'm more brazilian than many others are. because this land is what made me feel about a bottle. ah, because he'll be in june. we won't be in the local bondage in his pupil are despised, not just because they occupy shield angel, but they're also hated for the wildness inside them. their connection to nature who their color like molded bronze. a bliss is okay. flesh of warrior by precision with which their arrow meets their prey. laugh yeah,
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but i say limping gesture that envelops the river. be unless they're pensioned per caressing feathers and crafting hetero celine that they are hated for their silent walk or their agile move like gather, moving, their noble heritage, need their bodies that reach out for the sunlight. castle indigenous people are hated for the sun. there hated for the tree within they are hated for the river was at the least they are hated for their connection. what a life will be a mean to they indigenous people they only are hated for their enduring it. how they
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