one to a foreign planet. in the 16th century, it meant being a captain and setting sail to discover a route, a race linked to military interests, a race linked to political and military, christie, but also linked to my financial adventure full of hardships, dangers, and death. my jillions journey around the world, starting september 7th on d. w. ah, we're here at the residency of former president hammock korzy in what used to be known as the green zone. when u. s. a. nato forces were still fighting in this country. we are in the heart of cowboy and mister cars, i still consider to be one of the most influential voices in the country. and we

are here to ask him how he feels about the situation in afghanistan, one year after the taliban to return to power. mister cars, i thank you very much for having us. when was the last time you left this compound, or the last time was about to i guess the 1520 days ago i went to visit her doctor de la and asking the question, because you are seemingly not allowed to travel abroad. are you a person of the taliban? no, no. ah. what? oh with regard to the travels are brought. that has not been possible. and they told me that. but inside the cobra city, herb her when the security is fine. so we asked him, we let him know the time go to

a place and they provide us an escort in the escort takes me to that place. is that confined to cobbler? i said, are you also allowed to cross city boundaries? i haven't yet done that. are so i don't know, i haven't had to told them that i am going to visit to the provinces. i think i should rather soon around autumn and then we will know why didn't you leave the country like so many other important representatives of the islamic republic when the change happened last year. this is, this is our country. this is our home. you don't leave your whole when things become difficult. you stay at your home when you fix it and you try to to, to make it right. simple as that. so if there were a chance now, you wouldn't leave. never, no, never, never miss the cause i have 3 small, a dietary. yes. and what kind of future do you see for them in this afghans town?

i want them to have a future as good as any other child has around the world. and this is a very important question. far future for children. my daughters are studying here in caldwell. they're going to school here. they're going to the afghan turkish schools here in cobbled ho. within 2 years, the old one who's 10 now malay, she'll be graduating from cross shakes into so it her as thinks to now that when she will not be able to continue her education. when you do with an way you sent her abroad, if she can do that because the taliban are enforcing that is exactly the question before me in before hundreds of thousands of other african families and and and,

and, and, and parents. what do we do when our daughters reach the age of a beyond a primary school when they are to go to a middle school or secondary school, leaving the country means abandoning the country. so we have to do all we can't fight for the right of all children, all of our daughters to educate we wouldn't give up on that. the taliban are really trying to enforce agenda, segregated society. you have conversation with representatives of the taliban a. what is the kind of sensor getting, why are they doing this? why are they sticking to this? been surprisingly and for the good of our country, all those tired of our leaders that are i have been meeting the structure of the loved the light and, and myself were meeting together or in agreement with us. they want the girls to be

the girls to be educated, they want the country to be educated. so there is no difference of opinion there, but still it's happening, but the strain is higher masters happening. therefore, we have to get together as afghans all of us, the taliban and the rest of, of, of the country to change this. but this is a decision within the taliban. or if this is a decision imposed her from outside by whatever means we have to change this. what do you mean by imposed from outside? look, you heard of the former prime minister of parks done. oh, man hon. him, ron hon. speaking to the year. the foreign ministers of these fun mich word in the slumber trying to justify her, if the afghan girl don't go to school, trying to blame you, took traditions which is rock, which is entirely wrong. and i am

a personal witness to that. that what he said was wrong. this got nothing to do with, with traditions oriented at why what pakistan have an interest on a band. it will have again, histone the week of gala son of ghana said that is in need an afghan. a said that that cannot stand on his own feet and afghan, a son that isn't poverty, lack of education means poverty, lack of education fargo's means lack of abilities. lack of education for girls means, but half of the society at least half of the society, at least because of girls are not educated men or also undermined their abilities. therefore, at least off of society, not being able to produce and participate that is extremely weak and weakened and deprived of gara so, so there can not be any other reason for parkson to do this. you're thing that they're using education as a weapon to keep afghan or stand down trodden. this,

this has been no use for a long, long time. even way back her, when the british were her ruling india, her, those parts of the sub continent, the to pause the british rule were denied education. but if there is so much says for education, why are the taliban not just saying, let's do it. i mean, if they want to serve their people, shows you that you know that, that, that is a question that they need to answer and that they need help survey. so they weigh fewest as of now they shouldn't, they must allow goes to go to school. there is no compromise there and i've told them this very clearly, there's no compromise here, no way that we will allow other youngers denying education. no way to think this is a disservice of gast guessing they will ever listen to you. i mean, you are still,

you have to listen to the african people. that's what the afghan people want. this is against the interest of afghanistan. deny angers. an education means denying of gunnison growth and progress. are they here to serve the afghan people and make them progress towards will being in economic prosperity and stand on our on fit or do, do we want our country to be downtrodden in need? poor in desperate which one is it that we want the u. s. kilt arcade, a leader, i'm and as our hero in a drone strike, the target. how is this in an area where a lot of taliban representatives live? this is janice, done once again becoming a sponsor of global terror of catalyst. i never was a sponsor of fir, global term of canister was a victim of globe return. the afghan people are the greatest victims of terrors.

the african pupil commiserate very strongly fair and strong to would all the victims of terrorism around the world. because we have suffered more african people commiserate deeply with the victims of september 11th tragedy. because we were the victims. first, the afghans are victims of terrorism and also unfortunately, victims of the fight against terrorism. so we want none of that. as for the, the, the incident of so i hittie the americans announced that they had killed him. the taliban said they were not aware of his presence or his teeth in color and that they would investigate. should that investigation take place or you believe them? or we have to see the desert of the investigation. let, let them come forward, let them do contact the americans and, and prove each side prove their points. i'm speaking as a citizen from kennesaw it,

as a citizen of afghanistan, we have suffered all of us. i have suffered and so of millions of other suffered at the hands of tourism and of the hands of the fight against ours. if we take it back to september, 11, 2001. back then the taliban were hosting arcadia. now we had 20 years later to decades later. and again there seems to be connections, there were and said that, so what does this tell us? what may be they'll apply the word of chemist on maybe other tourist groups for enough garrison. but the presence of al cartler or the tourist groups of ghana, some of the product of the cord wash, where the west led by the americans and the park studies used very intensely extremism. each one for its own purpose and objective. the americans used extremism to defeat

the so retreating the packs and he's used it to weaken afghanistan. i will never accept the notion that of ghana, son was hosting any tourist group, but i will tell you what the confidence that of ghana son has been made to suffer at the hands of taurus. if we look at that 20 years of brutal war ever since the $911.00 attacks only to replace the taliban with a taliban. was it all for nothing? no. i would never say that the afghan people supported that alive because we wanted to be free from violence, from extremism and from interference that i spoke about earlier. know, looking back,

i compartmentalize it into separate chips. once it is the civilian assistance, help to education, a better economy, reconstruction and construction of roads, of bridges, of electricity, of lots of other good things that happen to have canada which was done with the help of the united states. the greater part of what it was, there's the 2nd compartment was the military side of that compete, which was a disaster which was wrong. which is why we are suffering today. are the taliban trying to erase the past 20 years of the islamic republic of afghanistan? republic, that will always be connected with your name. it is impossible to raise

sir the past 20 years. know the good things of it, the bad things, of course we want to raise. we don't want her the country to suffer in war and bombardments and all that. and then, and glass and, and, and, and explosion, snow. but the millions of afghan kit educated cannot be erased and should not be tried to be erased. the country sir, infrastructure the road to bridges cannot be raised or, and should not be tried to be read if you take yourself back to that very decisive, finer taste. the international troops pecking up with the speed of light, the tidy bands, lightning, offensive, heeding them to enter cobbler. then president, a shaft canny fleeing f can troops not fighting young africans clinging to

airplanes. and then falling out of the sky, who was about to blame for and of that very, very sad the the manner in which the united states withdrew from of canso was disgraceful and insulting to us and also hateful to the american people. the american people are a good people. i know them. i've been to america many times, so very, very kind to be very hospitable people, her soul. what the way things went wrong during those days would not in our views reflect on the american people, but to reflect on their government and military the way the, the wrongly wrongly, wrongly get things. the responsibility for that has to be accepted by all

sides by afghans and by the international community. especially by the united states, paving the way for the taliban returned to power was obvious. he, the doha agreement, signed in february 2020, between the united states and the taliban representatives. it was essentially not a peace agreement. it was a withdrawal agree, yes, almost unconditioned labor. does. greece agreement was a wrong to enter the door process and to sign it the way it was signed, i would have not conducted the, the door talks the way they were conducted. i think i can be as, as concise on that as i just said. but out entirely agree with you that the do her agreement was more than a withdrawal agreement. that a piece agree? i think had there been the intention for a peaceful transitional of garrison or a coalition between the thought abandon and the rest of the country. that would be

great for us for everybody. we would have not lost as much as we, as we lost the, the nation reserve. so the cont, 4 country, a poor country like us to lose $7000000000.00. that's a lot of money for us. and the institutions and the military hardware and the sewer services, and then the, the, the, the, her leaving golf for hundreds of thousands of educated afghans qualified to hide educated men and woman women of our country. that's a huge, huge loss. that's a disastrous loss when you see the taliban flag at the presidential palace, which is not too far away from your residency. doesn't make your heart lead. no, no. it's the taliban flag. they're not the garment you'll have gone to sun. the our nice to flag is the, is the year her black,

red and green flood, which is the historic flag of again the sun, which has been dead since her. the 1920s at least. and any a government that wants to have her in national flag dictate for the country and must do that to the lawyer general. gov of garrison, this flock that is now on the palace is the taliban. on flag. you are the president of afghanistan and from an 20022201412 long years. so really there's your name on the islamic republic. that is no more. if you honestly reflect and look back, where did you personally go wrong or have made wrong choices during that time? well, i could have, i could have made quite a number of mistakes. oh, if i go back and think about it, i could come to and say,

these would be the mistakes that i made. oh, probably i was to zealous on to walk with her on her i adopted the u. s. model off her parliament. there were other issues as well that i may not choose to speak about now or can i race to you and you can chew yes, you want to talk about us and why not? i mean the to that is always in the limelight yet east west. the media ice, massive corruption, election raking, and to decisive factors undermining the islamic republic almost eating up from the inside. well, well no. these do precisely would not our doing how come the election was not drake by afghanistan election was strict bye bye bye. such an outside place. so it wasn't the for it of, you know, a lot. oh, not at all. not at all. so what i can give you so many examples,

but i don't want to go there. now. i don't want to make an already bad impression of what some of the western countries did. it of gas that even more worse. so you blame them for them. oh i you have evidence. i have evidence. there are people who would come and tell you, give you names of what certain wisdom individuals did some from the european union, some from the united states, some election officials that they brought or does a story the thought so. so. so deep in details documented or by us and we have had conversations about this, i can give you examples that there were like so many collections. so why is it always a foreign hand or whether it be a run, you go only a few elections. look, this rigging of the afghan addictions began in 2009. and there are

stories to tell about that. let's not go into that now. i would love to by the way, i would love to this is the subject that to have yells know that i want our western audience is to know that corruption was already should which issue direction was a huge issue. power divided into one, yoko corruption, pity corruption in day, in the provision of services. bribes was our, our hours and hours sponsibility. i take full responsibility for the pity, corruption in the administration. but the big corruption of millions of dollars and contracts was entirely foreign. and i must tell you, i begun to suspect tours the end of my garment not complete in my got. it least you above the, the mill years of my garment, that that was

a planned activity. your argument is that leading to the downfall, it's much more or maybe entirely the foreign hand than compared to the african political elite at the time. leading to the don falled is without a doubt in my mind more a foreign her match nation. then the afghan one clearly, but let me also tell you believing in that i must also say that of course we, afghans have had our own responsibilities and we are not without responsibility. if we look at the situation now, the economy has all but collapsed or nearly half the population. it is 20000000 people are experiencing high levels of food insecurity. what is the way out the way out is for strengthening unity among afghans.

involving all the afghan pupil in the running of the country. of janice tongue is the whole of all of counts. it does not belong to one group on one part or one element of the country. this country belongs to all afghans. therefore, this is a call on the thought about that i make here that they must, as i called them, brothers. when the americans were bombing them, when there was this conflict, when some of us as well we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're calling for conflict and more war against him. i should know they are brothers. and we must sit together and have peace. now i called on the taliban as a brothers to consider all other afghans, brothers and sisters, even those who are against them, who may be thinking of resisting them, that,

that they must be contacted and brought back to a political process to a national dialogue. so we, afghans can, in unity and through the expression of the, one of the, of can people chart away towards a better future. this is a call of the taliban that i have repeatedly made. we call your brothers then. now you are in the garment. you called the others who are opposing you for whatever reason, brothers, and bring them back and make it would have canister. afghanistan will never grow or be peaceful in disunity all in one driving everything. it not letting others, she know the international community straggling. how to engage with the taliban, how much aid they should provide to afghanistan, the national assets, about 7000000000 in the us, the loan as the froze there. so how do you feel about that? does not good best. very objectionable. i referred to

africans being victim when we're talking of taurus. how can the united states government take money from one victim to give it to the other victim? you're referring to that was frozen assets being used to give to the september 11th attack, make them the victims of september 11. we commiserate with full, we understand their pain. we under center suffering their loss. we know it better than any other nation because we have gone through the same ourselves. so how can the united states government take the money from a poor victim? from a greater victim from one from the one who has suffered a lot more and yet was allowed to put her as well. and to dig from this victim to give it to another victim, i would call and the victims of september 11th. as someone who fully shares their pain, not to accept that money from a victim who's a lot, put her and

a lot deeper victim is half gonna stand last country. no, no, no, no, no, it's not a lost country europe. mm hm. well, emacs of history a massively village to country in the world among the oldest countries. and so those issues in this part of the world are we will, we will be fine. this is a blend of a small one in the, in the millenniums, a for history. this will go away and will be back on our feet and stroke. it's afghanistan, a country lust for women. no, just to his gentry. if gaston is a country just for women, that will also mean of ghana son lost itself. we shall never allow that. now again, we'll be able to educate. they will go to school. they will be engineers and doctors and journalists and in parliament. and do

well the time will come and you will see it direct salenti. thank you very much for having us. good talking to you. thank you for talking to wonderful, wonderful foot with you. i'd like shrapner i work with it came out 2 days ago. it now, it might not take it. thank you very much. right? ah ah ah.

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