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in the former portuguese colony, this is dana bellini is from berlin. you can find out much more on our website at d, w dot com this week ukraine marks 31 years of independence from the former soviet union. this week also marks 6 months since the start of the russian invasion for civilians. there are warnings of new russian air strikes on the capital city and for the ukrainian military news of more weapons on the way from the west. i'm recall from berlin. this is the day ah, we can't forget that putin's invasion of ukraine really started in 2014, 8 years ago, russia illegally annex coming up to teams. is planning to do to other pops of you. if you don't, if you pray what he has done to crimea,
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we are with you in your fight to resist rush as evasion. only ukraine, only you have to write to discharge on the future of ukraine. they reject the world where might lakes, right? the great palace can just follow up the smaller states if they like. they just stood with ukraine throughout 3 decades of independence. we stand with ukraine now . also coming up the profound impact of this war on german power, how that power is generated and how, which we'll via a name and it's we are experiencing a watershed moment. what does pathologist means to weld afterwards or not? is not the same as the world before. very tougher. when to our view was watching on p b. s. in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the
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day on the eve of an end up its day. unlike any in the history of ukraine in the capital key, people usually celebrate this national holiday with parties and parades. but this year, a war is getting in the way. today ukrainian, president zalinski said that some people are once again evacuating heave on fears of renewed russian air strikes. the united states has warned that the russian military may be planning to intensify its attacks on civilian targets. just as this invasion enters its 7th month. and there are more weapons shipments from the west headed for ukraine. the u. s. is expected to announce $3000000000.00 more this week, and germany is expected to follow suit with half a 1000000000 euros worth 6 months into this war. there is no end in sight. we begin tonight with this report. most of the hosting the national flag, i had a few cranes independence day, a usually festive commemoration,
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but not this year as it also mock 6 months since russia's invasion. mccauley. now his name, he will never recognised any one slack of our london in our sky, navy is as we are always ready to defend our blue and yellow colored city. i ask you now to commemorate with a moment of silence the heroes who gave their lives so that roy mccuen and secretary, dully ukraine. his bands big celebrations of a fear of fresh russian strikes in keith, whatsoever. not every one shares that concern. the opera steel with joy. we do feel a bit tense, but it doesn't disrupt our lives. this is our reality. and then the wire, the call. no, i have no feeling of insecurity. i come from her keith, it is dangerous. there and keith, i don't have the feeling i've been living here for a month. there's no, no insecurity, blue vietnam way. of course we know that there can be attacks,
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but when we are worried, we can hide. tell them about who you dorski. yes. can. we can feel the tension a bank that's just too much information about it. and that has an effect on you. with the other i sent everything else seems to be working the business and transport or even for a whatsoever. so w, o dog, what else can you do from to your cities that sir hold? you can't hide in the basement for everson football season is precious. life has to go on. you remove the humans who wanna go to keep now and bring in keira roodick. she is a member of the ukrainian parliament. curious. good to have you with us tonight. we've spoken many times in the last 6 months. i want you to take me back to those early hours of the 24th of february when russian tanks began crossing the ukrainian border. what went through your mind and for your heart?
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hello. thank you so much for having me. ah, well, my 1st thought was when the warming of kids started, i thought it was fireworks because we were concentrated on ukrainian parliament on actually forbidding fireworks for the sake of veterans and for the sake of the people who crane. and then my 1st thought was, how would we get all the members of ukrainian parliament in? and i can tell you the main thing that parliament needs to do at the times of war, is to gather together and then add to the building of their rada, where my institution, they have to quote for the marshal. this is the main thing. the main goal and the main purpose of the parliament that the time before. and we were extremely concerned that distressed and distracted members of collin may not come, may not be able physically to get to the parliament at, at these times over
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a absolute here. and of 120 members of parliament, 400 king. and we were there for 10 minutes, 10 minutes of voting. we were singing national and because we were so so, so scared. and then we went and started doing our job. and i mean, people were working with people and humanitarian support and building the resistance, making sure that, that their prediction that ukraine will only stand for a couple of days will not actually happen. and you know, after 6 months, you know, i can only say what you watch us. yeah, i mean, we are in the world is watching. it has been an event for 6 months. you mentioned that you were fearful that 1st evening because of what could happen. now, 6 months into this war,
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are you fearful that we know what's going to happen that this war could last for a very, very long time? no, you know, and what 6 months of were what asked that you cannot leave with here, you will need to leave with a very pragmatic and technical decisions that you're making every day to bring the end of the war closer. and this is what we are concentrated that are we afraid of potential nuclear threats from russia? yes, we are. this is my personal main strength right now because i'm oh, worried so much of what happened is a pre i asked, are we worried that i did the work would take for a long, long time? of course we are, but what can we do with that? we can only make sure that we do everything possible and impossible for this prophecy not to be fulfilled. i was worried that there could be a ukraine 15th,
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we are, but at the same time, you know, there was a survey in the united states where 80 percent ofa americans are supporting wayne and still willing to work for gas and electricity to try to continue to support what more care, let me just ask you that you say the, the american resolve is still they are. what about in ukraine? americans are not having, you know, to send their troops to the front lines. ukrainians are doing that. you're paying a terrible price. i'm defending yourself against the russians. how strong is the resolve to keep going indefinitely? there is all of us still there and it's still extremely strong. and we can see it not only by the amount of people who are ready to go and fight by the results of our army, and by the general moral and emotion in the society. you know,
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this month we finally started receiving their weapons. if you were promised a while ago and our army has shown an incredible effectiveness and efficiency using this method. and we are showing that the results of pushing russians back from a category and to whom do the gain of the so that in this has this unbelievable morale boost on every, every single ukrainian and a willingness to fight for what they believe in this morale boost that brings me to what president zalinski said today. he said that the war started in crimea, meaning the illegal annexation back in 2014 and he said the war will end in crimea . now, we can, let's be honest. there are few who would have taken him seriously if he had said that, let's say 6 months ago. but he's saying it now, and i dare say that a lot of people around the world believe that he can actually make that happen. now
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that's a huge change. i think this were this last 6 months, have shown us how many changes we can make from the very beginning when nobody said that we will stand for more than a couple of weeks when this opinion changed tool. the conners who didn't seeing that sanctions on the russia as strongest possible as they are right now are possible. and it's happened that the world will start over actually sending heavy weapons to ukraine and non just kalashnikov. and it's happened that we will be standing and fighting back russian troops around here. and then it's happened that we will be able to use the reference id we received with such a great effectiveness. and then this happened. so things that seemed impossible are
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unbelievable. we made them happen and then why we only believe that we will be able to do again unspeakable things, tang back all the turn it again, i'm sorry, i kid you know, we have to point out to our viewers behind you is the native flag, the ukrainian flag and the european union flag since mom, i don't my part and part of your party. that's right. or going to want to forget that. but 6 months into this war, am i correct when i say that the russian invasion has done more to, to push ukraine even deeper into the european family than anything you would have imagined before the war started? yes, i think we can, ah, openly say that russian invasion and allowed us to ex united and pushed us towards deck decisions in standard that would be incredibly hard to
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do beforehand. and the fact that ukraine got candidacy to european union was a huge boost dollar morale as well. and also is giving us a clear pass of how the country would look and how the country would act when the were and when you, when you know, when we've got the candidacy to european union, then ukrainians not understand was the candidacy mean? my father was as well, so she called me and he said, i don't understand what it means. but i know right now that all the country has a definite future. well, what and the importance? well, i'm sure he feels like he's a good hands. if he's in your hands kiera roodick, a member of the ukrainian parliament here, as always, we appreciate you taking the time, making yourself available to talk with us. thank you. thank you and laurie to ukraine. ah, well, the russian invasion of ukraine has precipitated
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a major shift in german foreign policy. domestic policy to germany is firmly rooted in the trans atlantic alliance, but 3 decades of relative peace following the breakup of the soviet union. well, that time allowed for friendly, your ties with moscow, and that even developed into a significant dependency on energy imports coming from russia. breaking that dependency is now proving costly. but it is a price that german leaders say they are willing to pay, given russia's attack on europe's security. the w's simon young, picks up the story from the already the brutal conflict in ukraine threatens piece across europe. after 6 months, the ripples from it, a felt far and wide. a few 100 kilometers to the west. almost a 1000000 refugees from ukraine have arrived in germany. they've needed places to
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live schools, health care for they also needed jobs and german industry needed the skills many ukrainians brought from a german viewpoint a beneficial effect of the war. but has germany been profoundly changed by putin's invasion of ukraine? for chancellor sholtes speaking just days after the attack began, it was a transformative moment here live and it's we are experiencing a watershed moment with us. but all this means the world afterwards are not, is not the same as the world before they develop. the for the big break with the past is surely the government's massive spending increase for german is armed forces. a special $100000000000.00 euro fund will push the annual defense budget closer to the nato target of 2 percent of g. d p. another symbol of the new military stance heavy weapons delivered, albeit after some hesitation to the ukrainian battlefield. sending arms to conflict,
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jones was once to boot politicians and public once allergic to anything that smacked of militarism. and now more ready to accept the importance of a solid security strategy. cover this up with it. i believe it has also become clear to have a german public that we are indeed threatened militarily in europe at all as can var full. we unfortunately have to revise our assessments via that. i was no longer a conventional adversary in york for the german armed forces, which is what we thought it would be early, 2000 samples to one farm for almost 25 years. we've emptied the cupboard. we close depots and dissolved units. it sounds, that's why it's very important that we spend these 100000000000 euros sensibly and sustainably in the war has also forced a change in germany's energy policy from getting more than half of the natural gas it needs from russia. it has pushed that down to a quarter and pledge to reduce it even further. the green part is economy and
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climate minister robert harvick has even allowed some polluting coal fired power stations to return to operation to keep the lights on through the winter. these are pragmatic responses, allow shots as coalition came to power promising balanced budget. instead, they've opened the public coffers. they wanted to tackle climate change, but the war has pushed the focus on to energy security. and yet, despite these changes attack many are still asking where the germany is ready to step up as a leading nation. and then we have a paradigm that we say, we don't really want to lead, we would rather be in the middle, even if we are the country. we have to put that aside now and grow up in terms of security policy. is really monotonous. i would like to see germany play an even stronger role in europe and come to for i can imagine that in terms of sanctions and also on the question of which individuals in russia should still be sanctioned
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. who by responsibility for this war gemini, could take on a strong gov. old are a leading role at all in the unit. oh, love schoultz himself was accused of having the wrong instinct on vladimir pu technical from seeking cooperation rather than confrontation. some say he has still not committed himself to ukraine's victory, but it is not the chancellor alone whose position has needed to change across germany. attitudes of being shifted by a not so distant war. oh, my next guest to night is a ukrainian security policy expert here in germany, nico long it is a member of the conservative see to you, the christian democrats. he was chief of staff to the defense minister in the last german government. mister long. it's good to have you with us tonight. there are some news to report tonight, germany announcing another 500000000 euros in weapons headed for ukraine. a big story. a would have been an even bigger story just
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a few months ago. i'll talk to me about how that speaks to how radically this war has changed germany. good evening. it certainly is a paradigm shift from germany, delivering weapons into an act of conflict. but if we look at a weapons, i think some pieces are still missing, like armored vehicles. and so as we have heard in the discussions, you broadcast it before. there is a denise of germany to step up even more, even if the weapons delivered a good and helpful to your crim. do you believe that the german chancellor and the current german government, are they committed to ukraine winning this war? or the political goals has been clearly formulations. ah, the chancellor and the minister of foreign affairs has repeatedly said, russia must not when i ukraine has to prevail. and
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also does g 7 wild enamel in germany formulated and supported by germany formulated ukraine has to be brought into a position to end this war. so i would expect is government to live up to this commitment into its own goals, and therefore more weapons, also armoured vehicles and weapons that are helping ukraine not only to defend itself, but also to reconquer territories are needed also from germany. a few days ago, mr. lucky you tweeted this, germany was slower to deliver weapons. germany has it delivered as many weapons if somewhat like and still natural gas has not gotten cheaper? was the calculus of the german government 6 months ago, the following, the more we help you grain, the more russia we'll try to hurt germany?
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well, it seems that the calculus was to be very prudent on helping ukraine because there was the fear of certain forms of escalation. and i think it is perfectly arrived in a water is ongoing. and that is at least to alaska. i'm predictable. to verify your hypothesis from the beginning, and maybe to correct them. and i think what we have learned during the last 6 months is ukraine is prevailing. ukraine is showing an all society defense very strongly ukraine is able to manage and also to use and leverage weapon systems and to learn to use them effectively very quickly. and also russia is not able to escalate indefinitely. so i think if this is from a few months ago, i'm not right. there is
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a moment now after 6 months of war coming out of this summer to correct the approach and to mark differently when it comes to weapons delivery. and one must say the delivery of, of, it's a 2000 long range artillery and also to mass to which together with a high mileage from the u. s. and system some the okay, where germany is the only nation delivering it, pointing to the right direction. well, let's, let's look into the future a little bit. mr. laga. we've got winter coming up. and, you know, here in germany now everyone's talking about sky rocketing prices for energy, electricity. but of course, natural gas. number one, if we have a long hard winter, if industry has to shut down, for example, over, if we have to ration power at any level, is that going to make germany's commitment to ukraine winning even stronger?
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or is it going to have the opposite effect in european well, i think we should not create a self fulfilling prophecy here. i know that many people are very, it's that to move to return, but all to pulse all the servers i know to show the consistent support of germans or to show russia its limits. even if that might be costly. so i would have a little bit more trust into germans that they are ready. and if you look into the service and the policy in germany more closely, i think there is more room for the government to do more and to be supported by the majority of people. and what, what should, what would that look like to do more? for example, and there has been a discussion of delivering armored vehicles and it is good to germany announced in
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your package of weapons deliveries to ukraine. certainty, very helpful, and very technologically advanced weapons. what the plan is to deliver most of it. in 202023 and germans. germany is weapon deliveries could be more into, to the military situation in ukraine. right now. i think the u. s. in the u. k. and, and central eastern european countries are leading the way they are and what is needed now to organize counter at techs and to prevail on the front, on, on, not to the refire homage vehicles. and germany has an industrial base. germany has certain types of vehicles available in storage. and i think any, i'm a vehicle that is now used in ukraine to stop the russian aggression is a better contribution to germany, security than the same homage vehicles standing around in germany. and i, i know we've heard that point made numerous times in the last 6 months, and they,
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i know they are members in the political establishment here in berlin, who would agree with you. i want to ask you one question before you run out of time . germany lost a lot of trust with eastern european partners with its closeness to russia, and particularly with the nord stream to pipeline. is that trust now being regained? i think i think it is very important to read and if you so look into weapons delivery is that over the last 2 months to have been known your commitments by european power such as germany and france, italy, spain, and others, while century in europe is delivering a lot and even taking into account that there are there's a lack of certain capabilities now with century eastern european partners in germany, strokes that up a work with them closely. and also i think for
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a country such as germany, it's not the right approach just to be were to partners in the sense to do a little bit of what everybody else already has done. a germany should be more courageous now and also take up a leadership position in you and natal. i think that would be an aspect that would create more trust, especially with the partners in central eastern europe, nikolai. and we appreciate your time in your analysis as we take a look at how germany has been transformed 6 months into the russian invasion of ukraine. mister walker, thank you. thank you for the day's almost done the conversation that continues align. you'll find us on twitter, e d w news. you can follow me on twitter at brent golf t v. and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you did with
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