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to be found at d. w dot com ah, how many soldiers and civilians have died 6 months into the russian invasion of you crate? we cannot verify military casually numbers. we have a better idea of civilian deaths from russian air strikes. 26 people died and an attack on a train station yesterday. some of them burned to death inside a trained car. how many people would die if this war triggered a nuclear reactor meltdown. ukrainians, europeans, and much of the world are pondering that nightmare scenario tonight and for very good reasons. i'm brit gulf and berlin. this is the day ah, this evolution needs to be immediately. the military's once again for the parties to provide the i in mission with immediate, secure, and unfettered access to the site. because the only time and you can have been on
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the front line of a major will, it's very important that people are allowed access to know everyone will die if a nuclear disaster happens, not only us in ukraine, the whole it will die maybe should. now that he's ab general recognition that we need to be there, we need to be there soon. and keith accepts it. moscow accepts it. we need to go, ah, also coming up, the war has displaced millions of ukrainians or fleeing for safety. some narrowly escaping russian invaders this, i looked through the lines, i was scared, but the neighbor saved me. they told the soldiers that it was the house of the single mother with 2 kids. and the soldiers looked, they saw children's clothes drawing in the yard and didn't enter it. let me begin these, they sleep, i will, to our view was watching p
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b s in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with a nuclear reactor in ukraine, taken offline amid fears that it was on the verge of disaster. these f r e g, a nuclear power plant, europe's largest was disconnected briefly from the nation's power grid on thursday . the 1st time in its history, thousands upon thousands of residents in the region lost power, and the power plant operator blamed the blackout on russian shelling that knocked out high voltage power lines linking the plant to the nation's electricity grid. russian soldiers, you may recall, took control of the area months ago. the ukrainian workers at the plant are still there doing their jobs every day, reportedly at gunpoint. but the international atomic energy agency it have sounded the alarm demanding inspectors be allowed inside the facility. the i e a has made
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it clear that rushes decision to park weapons and soldiers at a nuclear power plant during a war is a recipe for a radioactive catastrophe. we begin with this report. before russia's invasion, the vall separation, you kill a plant supplied around 20 percent of ukraine's energy needs. but on thursday, it was temporarily cut off from the countries power great, entirely off to fi as visible here on satellite imagery knocked out its lost external power line that forced the facilities last 2 operating reactors to shut down ukrainian officials say pallet has since been restored one reactor is back on line and work is reportedly underway to restore the other russian forces had been in control of the plants since march. and ukraine has blamed then the starting, the fires. but russia claims they were sparked, but ukrainian shelling for weeks now increase fighting of the plant has raised fears of a nuclear catastrophe. experts fair that
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a loss of power would leave the vicinity, forced to rely on emergency backup generators to cool it's react as the head of the u. n's. nuclear watchdog told french board costa france 24. he's planning to visit i think now that he's at general recognition that at we need to be that we need to be there soon. adding a keith accepts it. moscow accepts it. we need to go and we are going to be there. hopefully very, very soon. the un and well leaders have called for the creation of the demilitarized zone surrounding the plant to avert disaster. china, but russia has rejected that proposal. nuclear security on the front line of a war. i'm now joined by ross peel. he works on nuclear security and safety, including the role of nuclear power plants in times of military conflicts at king's college in london. it's good to have you back on the program with this. i mean it's,
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it's is insane. i'm to have a war going on and to have a nuclear reactor in the middle of a battlefield, a. but talk to me about the specifics of how dangerous the situation is right now. ravenel districts, your situation is very concerning. we haven't yet seen a situation before. like this where a nuclear power plant has been on the front lines of an ongoing contract. so almost there been examples in the past of long range, military bullying, bought from aircraft of your absence off in mid least not seeing, based on getting fighting on the ground in the vicinity. if this continues than it could lead to some of those situations that we've just been hearing about from your, your correspondence regarding the melting and the potential for the escape upgrade your materials, the armed yet in was nuclear power plants. they're just their, their power plants, the they are not built to withstand shelling or,
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or missile attacks that we, that we see in a war. so this is a situation that, but there's no handbook or guide book, is there? no, we all certainly off the previous experience here. normally pop always designs with a certain amounts of damage. for instance, in the wake of $911.00 attacks is brought to light that many designed to withstand the shot from an aircraft that's an aircraft is not designed specifically to penetrate through laser concrete, to attack a nuclear reactor, for instance, or our own carl hockey. so we are very much in uncharted territory here. i would agree suddenly though, that a concept of the talk with shells on missiles could deliberately talk to penetrate through these containment buildings and how much the reactions within and, and that would be, that would be the worst case scenario, right? if we, if we had to walk it that would hit one of these reactors ahead on. and we're,
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we're talking about an instant meltdown possibility are we were talking about that possibility. yes. we're also talking about an explosion that causes the release of radioactive material in the atmosphere, and it's not just from the reactive unfortunately either. they're all large pools outside of those routes is the same as that. there are many, many nuclear power plants containing use nuclear fuel that remains very hot and very radioactive for several years after being removed from the reactor. this doesn't hold same protection. so if these outdoor uncovered pools of water let to be hits, it could lead to the removal of bolts, iron that 4 to remove the exposure of the radioactive materials environments in the same way. and we, we really can't verify what is going on inside the power plant. we understand that the ukrainian workers were still doing their jobs, that we understand they're doing it at, at gunpoint by russian soldiers that makes then the demand by the i e. a that inspectors be allowed inside the plant. even more critical doesn't it's extremely
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critical of the i has given access to the parts as soon as possible on the work is all doing an absolutely unbelievable job on the if the worst possible conditions that one can imagine and to interfere with the and you can work into going, but that you to maintain the safety of the problems is he's an excusable in the normal circumstances. the idea needs to gets in that my concern though is that when the i age visit is scheduled to be that's in, in 2 weeks. oh, whenever many there will be steps taken to remove some of the evidence of what has been going on a pallet on to head of time was feel as always we appreciate your time and your insides. helping us understand the dangers of a nuclear power plant in the middle of a battlefield. thank you. thank you. ah. the war in ukraine triggered
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a humanitarian crisis in the heart of europe. millions fleeing their homes. and the country i yada is 11 years old to day. it's a birthday like no other defeat was i did. i wish you have happiness and a peaceful sky above your head. dab, i wish you that everything will be fine and that you can go home soon. this is a summer camp for kids and families. we've lost their home refugees from embattled occupied areas, yada and his mother fled had sun which is occupied by the russians. that was to see a new it's the russians were standing well with tanks, bankruptcy and next to the tanks where people unable to live and then they to a few people way lies is not actually unable to live his code word,
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football, games, just a few weeks many of these kids have seen you and most people in the lifetime yard, it's dad is the soldier and the ukranian army. his mother decided to flee when the russians started looking for the families of ukrainian soldiers. but yet you, as soon as i looked through the blinds, i was scared, but the neighbors saved me. they told the soldiers that it was the house of a single mother with 2 kids. and the soldiers looked, they saw children's clothes drawing in the yard and didn't enter. yeah. i need the dean these nicely, though. my dear. the organizer is alexia olenick, everybody 'cause him, uncle yoshi decided he wanted to create a space of solace if only temporary. the war is always close. you remember as a 7 year old girl named marsha whilst him to bring her friend. the camp was full, so he told her the friend could come 2 weeks later. she is 3 me mush.
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and one day she was sitting there in the hammock crying. lou, yep, it's. i approached her and asked her to blush, what's wrong and thought? and she shuddered. sure. but it was quick when you said my friend, whom he didn't take on. i said, yes, i remember she's coming in 2 weeks. is one of these. and she said, well, i was and she's not coming any more yet has amused for you have children. i understand if not my fault, that but she would still be alive. i this too many have stories like this, but uncle yoshi and the other volunteers try as much as they can to distract everybody with outdoor activities. it's the birthday boy's turn to climb the rock
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solid yard. it makes it to the toss it all down. my private window, when i did get them, there is not a victory, at least for to day. when so much in his life remains uncertain. we want to bring, you know, of the you shondra. she is the editor in chief at the english language online newspaper. you remind on press and she joins us tonight from keith lee. it's going to have you with this. you have spent the last 4 months as a refugee here in germany. tell me, what's it like to be home again? well, i don't remember that's armina, one of the armed forces that i can return, but i have a home to return to that. i have a nation, an independent state. i'm sincerely grateful and obliged to all the men. a women who have given their lives so i can return, same time i am very grateful to germany that it has been so welcoming to me as
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a refugee. what would you say changed for you that allowed you to consider that it was safe enough to to go back to ukraine? yeah, i think that and the large large picture. oh, there will be a rest muscles try. it's all around the world war, but it will be quite small. so it's either you know, like living outside of the country for the whole work or trying to what it and maybe you can explain that to people who have not gone through what you and millions of other ukrainians are going through the how do you come to terms with living in a country that may be seemed normal, at least the veneer but knowing that at any moment you could be targeted with,
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with a russian missile or you just mean maybe emergency mainly we will all die as sometime in our lives. maybe we should prepare to live our lives the best, so we will not be ashamed. but of course we should take the necessary precautions. we have alarms yesterday and our independence day was whole day full of alarms and during that take shelter because that russians watch also people just turns out to say, yes, it is a lie. realizing that malazan actually russian brushing you say people learn to adapt to that implies, of course that things have changed. how would you say that ukraine has changed in the past 4 months for you and what sticks out most in your mind?
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well when i last, there was a very high end of the war very soon there was a feeling that we could be right down the optimal, more temper. and the reason for this is while the was just falling, delivering of the equipment and what they need to launch are they sacrifice the whole rush. so big thing that changed is that actually was a lot of the not ready for the launch counter. so basically about the optimal sol, ukraine is due for like i think 97
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percent confident. but when you're looking to bring in spirit, but there's no other option when they know what they're off again, you know that they don't know that they are for their for their right nation . no. chase down about liberation. to be more attractive because what i'm reading it right away. let me ask you, you are as a journalist, you were with your children in germany and i understand you were able to report it . and this is the biggest story of our generation,
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particularly for you. what was that like when months waiting? whenever a minute language, news, or the world. but you're not seeing it with my own. putting the stories on the journal institution like being very difficult for them. you know. 4 more difficult for me, it was actually how are you afraid to by somebody else you are the way well protect you look like you know from all long. i'm sure, actually i'm, there is the friday, the germany, we should,
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we know from the recent past 3 was down. it was very difficult. the reality. we're not we're not trying to read any of these are aliya shondra the other in chief of the english language online newspaper. you're my don press aliyah. we appreciate you sharing your time, your insights and your personal stories to wish you all the best. thank you. thank you. ah 6 months of war and no in soft spring in bill rojo, he is a senior fellow with the foundation for the defense of democracies. he joins us tonight from medford new jersey. it's going to have you on the program. the news
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today coming from the criminal russian president vladimir putin, he signed in order to boost the armed forces by about 10 percent, about 140000 more soldiers. what do you make of that? who is not willing to call up the draft or you know, issue a national emergency in order to bolster the size of the military. so he doesn't want to admit to the russian people that this is a full blown war. so what he is doing is issuing in just a normal or at least expansion of the military. this won't get him troops to the front fast, but over time will increase the size of the russian military and allow it more reach resources, the grain. i think what this tells us is that who is in this fight for the long haul, he doesn't see this as being a quick victory. that he is increasing the size of the russian military in order to
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continue the site. and you don't think that maybe this could be raising suspicions among the public that maybe the special operation is not going so well. i mean, he is asking russian mothers and fathers, you know, send me some more of your sons. i think that the time for that to have an impact on cotton and his war effort in ukraine has long cast the russian people, if they were concerned, that they are overly concerned that they are losing too many their sons fighting and praying. i think it probably is being even out there is i support in russia for the war and this is being, you even doubt by things like the sanctions that are getting the russian people that had an opposite effect instead of causing a collapse of the russian regime and ending the war when it's done, it's called a rally. fact, we spoke to you as i recall,
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just as russia had abandoned its assault on keven was re focusing on the east. the don boss, you were skeptical back, then claimed that was a symptom of russian weakness. i mean, how do you see the situation now? the russians didn't take a significant ground in the don boss and right now it is, it's being described as a stalemate. i would say that's largely true. you. there are russians though they're, they're having a grinding advanced or taking a very little territory, but it is advancing slowly. they're coming up all upon those cities, such as slow yards in, in the western part of the don bus. this, this is what i kind of expected after the failure in keyed the russians. they are, they're going to grind this one out and that's what i'm seeing them doing in the
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south them sky i am skeptical of ukrainian offensives. they've had very limited success over time. and the russians are reinforcing their, but i think we've seen is the situation sort of settle out on all of the front. you know, also, yesterday we heard the united states sitting $3000000000.00 worth of weapons. and in addition to what's already been sent, there was also a reuters poll yesterday saying that a slim majority of americans, 53 percent, agree that the united states should continue to support key until russia withdraws its forces. how solid is that backing? that that would be very concerned if i was the president biden or american follow policy maker supporting the the ukranian government. keep in mind that it took less than a year for american politicians to turn on the iraq war. and i would say about 3 to
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4 years in the war in afghanistan. so particularly if we're not going to see a ukrainian victory here, that's what was being sold at the very beginning that the feet of russia crane re taking territory. but as gas prices remain high, because partially, and this is the president when president biden blaine's last year for the i guess prices. yeah. it didn't have the effect that he wanted. he thought it would rally the american people. but what it may do, things like that, and also support in europe, right, with fuel prices, energy prices, the this can have an opposite effect of wanting people to get out of this war. so i would be very concerned about those in the united states, bearing by far the biggest burden of supporting ukraine. we've also seen this when it comes to native defense spending. how sustainable is that? and let's just talk about tension again. if there were to be
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a major conflict with china regarding taiwan and it would demand the u. s. is attention. would that just completely vaporize popular support for supporting ukraine? in your opinion? a wood, i mean look, this is a president that ran on run, ending the endless worse. right? and now the u. s. is involved in a war in europe that isn't going to be quick. it looks to be going to would, to a lengthy, at least they all mates about wars and ending. and when the american public figures out that it's, it's shouldering 5 times more the burden of this war than europe. and just being counted as a potential europe, that is not going to go over. well, that would be my solution has been here in the united states. the us had trouble fighting in afghanistan and iraq. these are small scale counterinsurgency type words. if there was a war with china over taiwan in the us,
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providing the support and ukraine by a highly skeptical that the us would be able to shoulder the burden of true major wars when it couldn't shoulder shoulder the burden of 2 minor words. yeah, it's a very good point. you hear people today say, you know, a war but 2 fronts out of the question. the regime from the foundation for the defense of democracies bill is always good to talk with you. we appreciate your time and your insights. thank you. thank you. it was a pleasure. well they, it is almost done. the conversation continues align. you will find us on twitter either at the w news. you can follow me on twitter at brent gov tv and remember whatever happens between now and then, tomorrow is another day we'll see you then if ah
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