i used to not have a home either in the government the government in more teaching in 45 minutes on d. w. did me. tina a saxophone operator, who wrote her master's thesis on but potato raring to read or not, but turn on. well, it gets more ridiculous from their d. w literature list 100 german monk st. this is d w. he is africa coming up on the program, judging what you wacked address that's caused an outcry in rwanda. this woman face as possible jail time for has see through outfit. we explore the drama and what it reveals about rwandan society also coming up after losing kanyes presidential

election, veteran opposition, politician rayleigh ganga, asked the supreme court to nullify the results. and as this year's african book festival opens in berlin to award winning african authors join us here in studio. we'll also hear from gonna where one woman is running a project to help children develop passion of reading. that's really important for children to be surrounded by contents where the characters, the heroes, if it looked like that helped school, she'll confident with i'm told me or lady, go welcome to the program. we begin in rwanda, where one woman is facing 2 years in jail. for what authorities call in decent dressing, lilyanne mcgarvey cassie was arrested in early august after a photo of wearing

a transparent dress in public went viral. police then held her for 12 days until she was granted bail. a court hearing is expected soon. this is the dress lilyanne mu gabby kazi war to a concert in rwanda is capital kigali. after this photo went viral, she was accused of shameful dressing and arrested. now the 24 year old has been charged with public indecency and could face prison, sparking a debate on social media and across rwanda. her not one of them. what m o t? i can't say she was unfairly arrested. i followed lilian's issue. she was wearing a transparent garment in a short coat hose are clothes that make men sexually aroused awakening satan, who was sancho desirable. you should part. so have one object that is not nudity and nudity for me is when there is no garment whatsoever on your body to missing

them by or moon. imagine someone left her home feeling well dressed in that outfit . but you decide to attack her simply because you have failed to control your sexual desires. how controlled victor or non would you, you can not tuck, but other rwandan. women are not impressed with mcgraw because he's choice of outfit her room yet one decade he was as a re wanton woman who understands rwandan values of respecting one's self and others. when are you caught in? yeah, i would say that the dress wasn't respectable. don't recall going at one because public indecency is a crime punishable by up to 2 years in jail. but there's confusion over what it actually means. the law itself doesn't define what is public indices. so that means um it's, it's subject to into a petition. while in

a pin all it good lunch look, be, i mean should not give her room for interpretation. should be precise, clear to everyone. the case is also causing concern over what it could mean for ruined it's fashion and entertainment industries. and even for women who wear mini skirts when they go out lilyann mcgarr because he mean wiley's out on bail waiting for a court to decide if she'll be sent to jail for her choice of outfit. let's meet now to juliet carry, tiny, a women's rights activists in rwanda. she joins us from kigali. it's good to have you on the program. julia. now you see the images of lilyanne will go because he was that an appropriate outfit to wear in public e toys and appropriate abs fee to out. of course it may see she went to

a concert and that thing in out of that is trendy. so as a young person, she was in her 8. well, it's a lot of people saying that was in decent because it exposed her body was it was transparent. so. so what would you say to them and indecency depends on people. it's a very the leg depends and then say that it was even probably because this one was in a closed room and because of the media and that person who took a picture and read that content definitely. and that's why we go to see her ad. but if you were in the age where there were no camera, we couldn't defend her. how would you define indecency? oh, to me personally in that's why i see person in the sense the would be someone going out really naked with no clothes on. a new card, li as the on the avoidance,

where so many people are in the market. and me also people or maybe have making out in public that's in the city to me by having someone who's lick, who is wearing something, something that be wanting the shot. it's really something the want. it's not in the sense so, so you're saying this is a kind of a personal interpretation of it. so who really sure to define indecency is of individual is of a government to all society voucher this work. lisa say you things differently and run those who has many people will those walk of service, even those who aren't and because they read the law, that is it that does not have more detail and leave people to tween to pretty

different t. it could be great to have details of what is in decency and if there is and then the whole law should be repealed. and i think it's something that we need to do as soon as possible because i see a lot of discrimination toward women than men. we see many men who talk less in concerts. we see many men going on the board and he's picking normally as something that is normal, but it's women's body being sexual life. and that's where she fits a lot of a lot of backlash. and this is a mindset that is rooted in patriarchy in religion. where we see and the to backlash being the bad towards women than, than men. and i think that's what happened in 2 lives carry time you cation specialist and women's rights activists in kigali. thank you for

speaking to us. thank you for having me. ah, you're watching d, dublin years, africa still to come using works by african authors to help cultivate children's love of books. but what do existing reading habits on the continent look like? i don't think i can tell you one african writer, so i think there's there's more visibility to finish. now. we'll discuss that in just a bit with our guests. but 1st a kenya. now, it's been more than a week since william router was declared winner of the presidential election, but his rival, rylon dingo, is disputing the outcome in the countries talk court. he wants the results cancelled, claiming there were discrepancies in the figures. the situation is given kenyans a sense of deja vu 5 time presidential

who food by loading guy is at the supreme court. his optimistic that after a largely peaceful voting process, the court will nullify the result that placed his challenger, william brutal a head. and they thought we were playing, but we meant business. the right of the canyon will not be stolen by those thieves . this is the latest in an unfolding political drama. and at the center of it is a top court. in 2013, the supreme court faced its 1st major test. after i loading a saw to have the election results thrown out. the court ruled against him and upheld that vote. 5 years later, it was a case of same script, same cast as the dingo once more sought the courts intervention. this time, the court would send the country back to a vote. to day many of you, the court process as long and drawn out, but also proof of a maturing democracy. there will be based governance expert. gabriel mal dormer

agrees with a cabinet. we need to disengage from having the cyclical process every 5 years that we don't just conduct one electron. but 2 are like people to understand these numbers. thing that will give them the monetary aspect behind it is if we conduct them electrons at 44000000000 and then do another ronald order. and like we saw in 2017, you end up putting another 20000000000 or soul into the same process. so it becomes a humongous cost to just run this electrons. so far, kenny has spent over $360000000.00 on the election, making it one of the most expensive in the world. for the average canyon grappling with unemployment rising food costs and reduced wages, electron fatigue has set in, as was made clear by the northern expected voter turnout. gears the more we need to wait for the case to be decided. so we know how life will be there, but that decision could make things better or worse if we repeat the election,

it will affect us negatively by dollar. despite people under $35.00, making up the bulk of the can and population, the only re presented 39 percent of the voting bloc his year down from 51 percent in the previous selection. political analyst nearby malackle says this disconnect between the youth and electoral processes could have devastating consequences. they will find another way to get the attention of government and unfortunately it's mainly negative. so we can easily spiral into conflict because when you have a large population that doesn't have access to basic needs and they are hungry, you can't expect them to think straight all eyes and now and the supreme court, which must, for the 3rd time in a rule decide what the country's political future could be. ah, let's turn to the literary scene now here in berlin. the annual african book

festival has kicked off the theme this year is yesterday to day to morrow. exploring the connections between the continents, older and younger writers. this comes at a time of growing international recognition for african offers. the 2021 nobel prize for tanzanian novelist abdulla zak guna, kept a year in which nearly every big book award from the booker to france's pre gong corps, went to writers from africa. i think the reason these prizes have been awarded to these with these texts on these materials is because of the quality of the writing . and that's why i'm saying circle incidence is not to say, ah, the world is waking up now and is giving is because this writing is good. a cameron's largest bookstore, african literature packs the shelves, owner and literary scholar. i'm was cobb, thanks. european readers are fascinated by how african literature differs from the

western tradition. sceptical, says the o. c. o, it's a combination of the subject matter which deals with the situations in africa. and a fascination with the literary style, with narrative forms that are not fundamentally western that a, i mean money do not it. he nip ha, is not see a lot of see them better. to insure african literature has a bright future. kenny based writer and publisher to kiss for ivana says we need to focus on the next generation of african storytellers. i or to myself, to be able to hold on and bring younger generation of writers and, and give them voice and give them the platforms and of african countries only like 5060 years from colonialism. we're still going way australian

and so we've seen the growing profiles of african writers. but what do reading habits on the continent look like? we've been finding out. i read a printer or books, i read inspiration, are books. i read motivation, old books are personally, i don't to lay clarity books. it is on tier being that is because way i really spent more time in unless maybe youtube or doing some research. i read novels, mostly romantic. was the $880.00 did the library or at home? it can be anywhere i did it. i always make dame duty who is always busy with the singing boys hours. my miss, i would move in there is wide open usually i don't think i can tell you one african writer. so i think there's, there's more accessibility to international. that's why i normally would lean towards them because there's

a lot of reading books is like going so different alters, you know, honest learning experience is lenin from yeah. wealth of imagination and thoughts. so reading opposite my imagination and he brings me to another ward. it gives me inside. joining me here in studio are 2 distinguished authors from the continent from south africa and nick longo. await or born writer. his latest book is a collection of short stories published in may titled for you at still a goat and jennifer mccann. b from uganda. her 2nd novel, the 1st woman, one last year's jelic prize was my guest, are multi award winning writers. welcome to the dublin ears, africa, which is heard mixed views from the continent about people's reading habits. as writers jennifer, let me start with you. are you concerned that you have to compete with technology to, to grab people's attention? not concerned. and because that is or is there is or is out are the

media you compete with as a novelists. but what i have to do is to convince a few readers in africa that what i'm doing is interest change. and that it is and was spending time with because are in africa, novels travel by word of mouth. so once you convince a few people, those will tell you, imagine one person tells top 10 people about your book. that these general 10 people i've read it there for 100 people. that's a 1000 people. i'm so for me, competing with technology or with western writers is not a major problem. and nick, what stories need to be told and read on the continent? oh, i think, you know m, i feel like to know where like, personally when i write the story i write a story that people can relate to. but firstly,

i just stories that i would love to read if i, if i was somebody out there who has not, you know, was not the right. what story would i like to read? so i have rights, i kind of stories. so these are distorted stories will always be different from one person to another, you know, and the more the diversity of thought is, the more important it is for people to have that kind of diversity. so i think what story to right, let's right, let's just write stories and people who are it. and thinking of reading were either view, both of you avid readers as children, or you can try to if you are not. and i've been great. i used to read like mine. i mean i'm one of those he used to hide away at home or sometimes, you know, grown up or come and say, are you going to eat books for dinner for every day?

yeah, i grew up reading, but mostly i grew up reading african writers status so because i found it difficult in south africa, for instance, the books that web accessible to us away and books prescribed in schools like your shakespeare, you know. so those were difficult for me. i couldn't relate to many of them, you know, even the english was more than english for me. so where i found that, you know, could relate books that i found that i could read books written by african writers, talking about things that i also know, you know, in the african by does service. right. and on that note, let for the conversation for now and go to gone out where we meet a woman whose passion and love is in african writing and she's actively trying to get children to fall in love with books and reading. yes,

he is a bill. yeah, cool, laughs reading. the 7 year old is one of several children taken reading lessons at this literacy st are in ganeth capital are cry. oh, oh. oh yeah. oh, i know the lessons are run by teacher and writer at him to colonel. she began reading at a young age because her parents could afford to buy books. she has st. set up this organization called book see to pass on her passion to children. got see you some of these old times. we group, i'm children by reading level, and then depending on where reading level the child is, we have a different activity. so is there no learning how to read that they're doing on one, including story time. when would share like a book of the day with them, but the also doing before next week, but i found the week and we do activities there on that. so the books adam uses

here as special. each one is written by an african author, thus because she didn't have access to many, when she was growing up and she wants to change that, i think that it's really important for children to be surrounded by contents where the characters, the heroes in it looked like that helps, oh, your confidence. when it comes to reading helps you even understand more because the material is really tumble and it gets you excited to pick up these books. adam also runs an online book shop. so readers from across the country can access childrens books written by a variety of african writers. but she has her wic cut out 80 percent of children in sub saharan africa. come to read or understand a simple story by the age of 10, according to the award bank head him on his team are doing what they can to

encourage more kids in ghana to pick up the book. and it's already making a difference. isabella is fast becoming one of the best readers in this group, as their confidence continues to grow for their daniel smiled and said, please do me one. that's okay for can be and nick longer still here with me, authors from the continent. jennifer, is it important or how important is it for you to be read on the continent to read, to be read back home and how does that influence your writing? oh, for me and i write specifically for african readers. must read writers write for every one out there. oh, oh, right? for western audience, but i write for part 1st you can and reader and everybody else on the continent and that has made or the difference in it because i'm published in pe the west,

but i am writing for different people. so there's a conflict there. but i've finally been accepted in, in that way and, and it is a lot of appreciation in new gander and in africa, in the way because of the way i write. because when you focus on african writers, the language changes, the subject matter changes, the toned attitude, the whole text change is because the way we speak to whichever is so different. and you took that into the text mic just picking up a what she said. as an african, you're writing a story, but most of the time publishers are from outside africa. how much it their platform be. can also be a bit of a challenge for you to be able to tell your story authentically yes. or i've been fortunate laura. unfortunately, i haven't been been published in a sense outside,

so my publisher is mostly in south africa or understand the context in which i'm writing it. but my thought is, of course they get it to be translated into the truck, into 2 different languages of which i don't have access of those language yourself . i would have translated them. but in essence, i think i went over i, i believe in believe that my writing, for instance, helps to bridge that grip. that gap, that is there between a south africa, africa and the rest of the, of the world in a sense that people can be able to get the nuances of what it means to be a south african from my text. you're not so out the just like jennifer, what is us? firstly arrayed for myself and then i have, i had for africa a my might people on the south africa. but i like also for the well, you know, for people to understand and that all my books, hopefully people will be able to know what kind of

a country one comes from and then also have to, you know, to make life easier. and very quickly, both of you have written short stories. what's a significant of these for you? jennifer? and i 1st started out right. didn't yet story for the wrong reasons. that was because it was working on a very large book. and sometimes when you're working on a big book, you get her, you get lost along the way in terms of the pilot. so my mentor turned me can use it, great shit stories because you know, they are fast, you know, and a narrative. um, if immediately you can't waffle about. so i started doing that for, but then i fell in love with them and, and kept away quite a few until i published a collection of short stories. but or is i know when i get an idea, if i should start, i know that this is going to be a short story. and when i get an idea for a novel,

i know that this is going to be enough and make very quickly your thoughts as well . i think almost the same thing. you know, when you write short stories, you know that you want the themes that do want people to know when i 1st went to write about gender based violence, people want a mistake, it for something else because you are focused on that particular feed. you know, i've been in novels this easy for you to say, ok, i want to write about this particular b and people pick them up in. but that doesn't happen when it comes to short stories and also shows stories when you write them. the is the access a even people that are not necessary to read us. it becomes read us, you know? yeah, there should be a jennifer mc gonna be in the longer. thank you very much for coming in to studio. and that is where it will leave it for today. i hope the conversation is spock something in you to keep reading or to start if you haven't already until next time . bye for now.

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